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Microsoft Uses Human Computing Game To Tune Bing

Al writes "Microsoft researchers have come up with a novel way to fine-tune the algorithms behind the company's new search engine, Bing: a game that harnesses human computing power to improve the results. Called Page Hunt, the game (which of course requires Silverlight to run) shows users a web page and asks them to figure out a search query that should produce the page within the first five results. The idea is to better understand user behavior and expectations and ultimately improve its search algorithms. Other human-computing projects have sought to digitize out-of-print text (reCAPTCHA) and image labeling (Google Image Labeler). Can Microsoft use a similar approach to gain the edge over its rival? Or does Google already have the edge with SearchWiki, which lets searchers re-rank its results?"

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  1. So you're anchoring the algorithm... by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they're anchoring the algorithm in real-world data? Truly groundbreaking...

    1. Re:So you're anchoring the algorithm... by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i wouldnt call it a game so much as cleverly disguising crowd sourcing their work. its a really good idea actually.... excuse me, i need to go design a 'points system' where users, er... i mean players get points when they fix their own computer issues and put a basic trouble shooting guide in a flash docume-- er, game.

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    2. Re:So you're anchoring the algorithm... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe they can use the real world data to fix this issue

      http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+is+microsoft+word+so+expensive&form=QBLH&qs=n
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+is+microsoft+word+so+expensive&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

      Flooded with blog articles about the same query now, and yes, it looks like there's probably a technological reason (or at least viable excuse) for it, but it still seems pretty shady to me.

    3. Re:So you're anchoring the algorithm... by Tynin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems like this would be ripe for abuse. Get a group of people together like the /b/ group on 4chan, have them start labeling mundane links with porn terms, and porn links with mundane terms. I don't think it would work if only a few people did it, but if you had a large enough group I would think you could make a ton of the data they are gathering useless.

  2. Looks like fun by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    After the success of Page Hunt, Microsoft is developing a sequel called File Reports. Players earn points by filling out real business forms and increasing productivity!

    1. Re:Looks like fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple has a game too. It's called Jobs for Jobs. You buy a mac and then give Steve a metaphorical blowjob on message boards about how awesome his products are.

    2. Re:Looks like fun by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Funny

      yeah, well the jerk store called. they're running out of you.

  3. Finally... by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a valid excuse to surf porn.

    1. Re:Finally... by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry, I'll sabotage them by tagging all of the scatplay and goatse pictures with things like "Cute Lesbian Teens" or "Vista Troubleshoot Help."

  4. It's a shame... by Tenek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The game gets boring really quickly the first time you run out of "reasonable" search terms and just tack on some exact quote from the page. "His father dies during the travel" is probably not going to help them very much, but it *will* get you to a specific bio of Paul Gauguin.

  5. Spammers... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If users have the ability to tailor search results, won't page rank "fixers" (aka spammers) have an easier time? Or am I missing something?

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  6. Wait for it... by Snarkalicious · · Score: 3, Funny

    This must be the beta. I don't see mention of a monthly charge, yet.

  7. Doomed to fail by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the game (which of course requires Silverlight to run) shows users a webpage and asks them to figure out a search query that should produce the page within the first 5 results.

    Gee, that sounds SO much more fun than playing the Sims! Not. reCAPTCHA works only because the user wants to get to what's after it, and doesn't require another downloaded plugin or frequent interaction. Guys, learn one of the great rules in IT: Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should. If you want to investigate user behavior, do what everybody else in the industry has done -- install malware onto the user's machines and track their habits. :\

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    1. Re:Doomed to fail by sopssa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guys, learn one of the great rules in IT: Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should.

      But as long as it has some users, its good info for MS. I wont be using it, and you probably wont be either, but there probably are people who like to try it out of interest. Maybe even now and then just to see random websites or whatever fun it gives them. Anoher great rule of IT: You can just leave it in the background and it doesn't affect your main business in any way. Microsoft and Bing are large enough to do quite random stuff and it will still have its users. And it goes along with Bing's strategy aswell -- Shoot there, shoot here, try out things and be innovative. So far its working great for them (hell, thats what google does too)

  8. Gee, but... by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 5, Funny

    I sure hope no one tells 4chan about this.

  9. While you are off topic... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Informative

    I will stick my karmic neck out and humor you.

    Thanks.

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  10. Will tune to gamers by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In theory, even if the venture is successul, what you will get is a search engine that understands gamers well. Is that going to improve your market share?

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  11. Re:What a brilliant idea! by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's actually quite interesting that they're asking for search terms rather than simply labels. Search engines are the a form of machine learning, and a lot of ML research goes into improving them. So it's interesting to consider what Microsoft is asking, in the context of ML. For example, Google has a game where users play by tagging images. Obviously, they're using some sort of supervised classification algorithm under the hood. But with Bing they're not asking for 'tags,' which would imply a supervised classification system, but search queries which return the page. Now that suggests that Bing is actually built on a bayesian model, which is very different from Google's markov steady state (page rank) model.

  12. Show of hands ... by jamesl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or does Google already have the edge with SearchWiki, which lets searchers re-rank its results.

    Anybody who has used SearchWiki to re-rank Google results, hold you hand up. Up high. Keep 'em up. Anyone? I didn't think so.

  13. This can only make Bing worse by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That last thing I need is "real people" screwing up the tags on a site. I recently got a new PC for home theater, and installed absolutely as little as possible on it (not even firefox - heresy, I know). I used the default search the first couple of times - forgetting that it wasn't google - and was amazed at how poorly the results came back. Even specific text known to be on the page (down to filenames I was trying to find for installing necessary codecs) wouldn't bring up the pages I needed. I can only assume that with (primarily) non-technical people typing in search keywords for pages it will just get worse.

    You might say that a decade and a half of old search engine technology has trained me to make computer-based queries, but damnit it works, and I don't look forward to the unwashed masses breaking it.

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