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Orbit Your Own Satellite For $8,000

RobGoldsmith sends word of Interorbital's TubeSat Personal Satellite Kit, which allows anyone to send a half-pound payload to low-earth orbit for $8,000. Your satellite will fly to orbit from Tonga atop an Interorbital Systems NEPTUNE 30 rocket along with 31 other TubeSats. It will function for several weeks, then its orbit will decay and it will burn up in the atmosphere. Interorbital plans to send up a load of 32 TubeSats every month. If you pay in full in advance, you get slotted onto a particular scheduled launch. Here are Interorbital's product page and brochure (PDF).

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  1. I forsee by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A big new trend for "burials in space".

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    1. Re:I forsee by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its orbit will decay and it will burn up in the atmosphere

      That's just a ridiculously elaborate cremation.

    2. Re:I forsee by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

      fine, then you get to chop up the body into half-pound chunks.

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  2. Pirates in Space! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Low earth orbit is above the law, literally, isn't it? Send up a few gigabytes of flash memory and a transmitter. Torrents from space!

    1. Re:Pirates in Space! by rm999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it's bit torrent with enough people in the swarm, each person only needs to download a small part of the file, and then share that part with everyone else.

    2. Re:Pirates in Space! by Dan541 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What?

      You honestly expect that to stop the RIAA?

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    3. Re:Pirates in Space! by fractoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Low earth orbit is above the law, literally, isn't it? Send up a few gigabytes of flash memory and a transmitter. Torrents from space!

      Maybe not so practical for your run-of-the-mill movie downloads, but for *very* sensitive political stuff, the sort of thing that tinfoil-wearing X-Files enthusiasts can only dream of proving, I can definitely see it being the go.

      That, or just use it to screw with SETI. ;)

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    4. Re:Pirates in Space! by roystgnr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Low earth orbit is above the law, literally, isn't it?

      Yes, I think I can safely assure you that your pirate satellite will not be arrested. This may be small consolation to the people who build and launch it, who themselves will inconveniently not be in LEO.

  3. Commercial applications by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sign that a technology has really matured enough to be taken seriously is when it starts to have commercial applications. Moreover, the presence of businesses like this will help provide further incentive for the improvement of space related technologies.

    However, it isn't clear to me who would use a half-pound satellite that can only last a few weeks. TFA lists the following possible applications:

    Earth-from-space video imaging. Earth magnetic field measurement. Satellite orientation detection (horizon sensor, gyros, accelerometers, etc.). Orbital environment measurements (temperature, pressure, radiation, etc.). On-orbit hardware and software component testing (microprocessors, etc.). Tracking migratory animals from orbit. Testing satellite stabilization methods. Biological experiments. On-orbit advertising. Private e-mail

    Honestly, I don't see much use of most of those as a general use. Certainly scientists will benefit from this sort of technology but I doubt anyone would try to use this for private e-mail systems. You would just use the internet and encrypt your stuff. The idea of using this sort of thing for low cost climate and weather data gathering is interesting. I suspect that as with many technologies, new uses will be developed that we cannot easily anticipate now that the technology is still young.

    1. Re:Commercial applications by TorKlingberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Satellite technology has had commercial applications for decades.

  4. Re:Will falling space debris be a problem? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Half pound chunks that burn up on reentry aren't going to hurt anything.

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  5. Do I... by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...get to chose where it comes down? I really don't know, but I wonder if one could design a .5 pound satellite with the express intention of surviving re-entry, like a 1/2 pound slug of lead in the shape of a dart or a sphere.

    I don't need much mass to survive the heat of re-entry. A few grams at orbital velocity, in the right place, would be enough to give my enemies pause...

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    1. Re:Do I... by Narnie · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...get to chose where it comes down? I really don't know, but I wonder if one could design a .5 pound satellite with the express intention of surviving re-entry, like a 1/2 pound slug of lead in the shape of a dart or a sphere.

      That's one heck of a way to commit suicide.

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  6. Re:Tonga vs. the atmosphere by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A couple of rockets is piss compared to the millions of cars, factories, and volcanoes in the world. "Straw that breaks the camel's back" is just a strawman (pun not intended :/) argument used by ludites that have something against cool technologies for some reason.

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  7. Re:Will falling space debris be a problem? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    /me hides half-pound ball of nickel-cobalt cement reinforced with titantium carbide behind his back

    What was that?

  8. Re:Ashes in space business by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think there are people who can get you that high for even less per gram. Well, for your first hit anyway.

  9. I Call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    32 satellites at $8K each is only $256,000. Subtract the cost of the materials used to build the satellites. (I'm assuming they're not using class S parts, but solar panels, etc still ain't cheap.) They're seriously planning to deploy a working delivery system to space for that kind of money?

    1. Re:I Call BS by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you figure it costs about $10,000/lb to launch stuff into space, launching 16 pounds would leave $96,000 for administration and profit. The numbers are plausible. And if they start launching from a Virgin space plane, then the launch costs could do down dramatically.

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    2. Re:I Call BS by BuR4N · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They seem to base their ideas on what the OTRAG project tested and worked on in the late 70s. The idea is that the rocket is made up of inexpensive paralell coupled "segments".

      The idea behind the OTRAG design was that if each segment where identical, the manufacturing process could be streamlined to a very cost effective level, much like how cars are made.

      More on the OTRAG project here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG
      http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/otrag.htm

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    3. Re:I Call BS by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Informative

      You didn't RTFA. For $8,000 this comes with a turnkey satellite + satellite development software environment,
       

      • Casing, Endplates, and Mounting Hardware
      • A Transceiver
      • A Battery Pack
      • Solar Cells
      • A Power Management Control System (PMCS)
      • Microcomputer
      • Software
      • Antennas
      • Safety Switches
      • Complete Instructions

       
      with equipment that's already gone through R&D, and warrantied against failure during the trip into space, with space for additional cargo of up to 0.2kg. I'm sure they'd sell you the empty casing plus space on the rocket for less than $8 large (maybe as low as 4K? judging from their pricing model, it looks like the 4K is for the actual propellant/overhead costs), but it's going to cost a business a whole lot more than 8K to develop space-worthy electronics + software to put in the canister.

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    4. Re: I Call BS by abushga · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not BS. Last I checked you could put 1 KG into LEO for $25K. http://www.cubesatkit.com/

      Cubesats typically hitch a ride with larger projects for cost efficiency.

      http://cubesat.ece.uiuc.edu/
      http://mtech.dk/thomsen/space/cubesat.php
      http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/cubesats.php

  10. Re:Will falling space debris be a problem? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really. Our best plan for artificial weaponized meteors is telephone-pole-to-crowbar sized rods of tungsten. Somehow I doubt that much tungsten weighs less than 0.5 pounds.

  11. CO2 cartridges to break earth's orbit? by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many high pressure CO2 cartridges can you fit in one of those, and would they provide enough thrust to get your device out of earth's orbit? Maybe stick it in a figure 8 orbital pattern between the moon and earth, or shoot it off towards Mars. I would imagine you need substantially less thrust to break from earth's orbit for a lowly half-pound payload than say, a space shuttle, not to mention, the pressure differential is substantially greater.

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    1. Re:CO2 cartridges to break earth's orbit? by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm I looked at this some more. It looks like there is only a 2,900 joule requirement to leave earth's orbit from LEO for a 1kg object. So you're looking at 1450 joules to leave earth's orbit at full weight; a CO2 cartridge provides about 150 joules of energy. You should be able to fit at least three CO2 cartridges in that canister, so you're already 40% of the way to deep space exploration using off the shelf technology! Plus each cartridge uses 12g of CO2, so the probe becomes lighter as it uses it's fuel. 60g of liquid oxygen/hydrogen peroxide should be enough to slingshot the probe around the moon towards the planet of your choice.
       
      The PDF says you can link up to 4 of these together; in theory you could have two pressurized canisters of fuel, one canister functioning as the nozzle and flight computer, with the fourth canister holding your scientific instrument payload.

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    2. Re:CO2 cartridges to break earth's orbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seriously, no. 2.9kJ is nothing. It's less than the biochemical energy in 0.1g of fat, only enough energy to lift 1kg 300m against gravity.

      2.9kJ is certainly not sufficient for accelerating 1kg from 8km/s (LEO orbit) to 11km/s (escape velocity) or even just about 10km/s (geostationary transfer orbit perigee).

      1J=1Nm=(1kg*m/s^2)*1m=1kg*(m/s)^2

      Kinetic energy of 1kg at 8km/s: 0.5*1kg*(8000m/s)^2=32MJ

      Kinetic energy of 1kg at 10km/s:
      0.5*1kg*(10000m/s)^2=50MJ

      That's a difference of 18MJ to get 1kg from LEO to a geostationary transfer orbit (and some more to turn that into a geostationary orbit).

  12. Cheaper "Memorable" Options by Narnie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm... I think there's some cheaper "memorable" options out there.

    Option 1 (Daddy is Forever)
    ~1000USD to be cremated and then ~8,000USD** to be pressed into a half-carat loose diamond.

    Option 2 (Daddy was an Astronaut-Burnt-Up-on-Reentry)
    ~1000USD to be cremated and then ~8000USD to be shot into space.

    **ashes to diamonds

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  13. Re:Weeks? by caerwyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Doubtful in that mass budget. You couldn't just stick a thruster on it- you'd need a full attitude control system to make sure you were actually pointed in the right direction, and thruster(s), reaction wheels, etc would pretty rapidly use up all your mass.

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  14. Re:Please realize the scale of the atmosphere by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This river running next to my factory is huge, and the sea it runs to is even bigger... so who will notice if I dump a barrel of waste arsenic in that river?

    Now look in what kind of mess this attitude has gotten us.