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Can We Build a Human Brain Into a Microchip?
destinyland writes "Can we imprint the circuitry of the human brain onto a silicon chip? It requires a computational capacity of 36.8 petaflops — a thousand trillion floating point operations per second — but a team of European scientists has already simulated 200,000 neurons linked up by 50 million synaptic connections. And their brain-chip is scaleable, with plans to create a superchip mimicking 1 billion neurons and 10 trillion synapses. Unfortunately, the human brain has 22 billion neurons and 220 trillion synapses. Just remember Ray Kurzweil's argument: once a machine can achieve a human level of intelligence — it can also exceed it."
Just remember Ray Kurzweil's argument: once a machine can achieve a human level of intelligence â" it can also exceed it.
Ray Kurzweil is a brilliant computer scientist and brought us many improvements -- maybe even the invention of -- the electronic musical keyboard.
But that is not his argument. I laughed when I read that as the concept was presented to me in sci-fi novels before Kurzweil's time. The earliest I (or Wikipedia) can trace the intelligence explosion theory back to is Irving John Good who, in 1965, said:
Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,' and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make.
This was popularized by Vernor Vinge which is where I recalled reading about it. There are many reasons to celebrate Raymond Kurzweil. In my opinion, his is "work" in nutrition and his near-religion called futurology are not in those reasons. He has become a vocal proponent of a dream to become god-like. I do not share that dream and I wish him the best of luck in his endeavors. I just cringe every time I read of the "singularity being near" or the ability to live forever coming about. If it's going to happen, just sit back and let it happen. I feel he has done a great disservice to the field of artificial intelligence by promising unrealistic things in interviews to the lay person. Disappointment is a sure fire way to get yourself branded as a snake oil salesman religious nut.
Predictions for the future are for sci-fi books and movies, don't get into the habit of being a scientist in an interview with a reputable magazine or web site telling them what is about to happen. Example:
Kurzweil projects that between now and 2050 technology will become so advanced that medical advances will allow people to radically extend their lifespans while preserving and even improving quality of life as they age. The aging process could at first be slowed, then halted, and then reversed as newer and better medical technologies became available. Kurzweil argues that much of this will be a fruit of advances in medical nanotechnology, which will allow microscopic machines to travel through one's body and repair all types of damage at the cellular level.
And that's easily criticized:
Biologist P.Z. Myers has criticized Kurzweil's predictions as being based on "New Age spiritualism" rather than science and says that Kurzweil does not understand basic biology. Myers also claims that Kurzweil picks and chooses events that appear to demonstrate his claim of exponential technological increase leading up to a singularity, and ignores events that do not.
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Something like this will be possible one day, but my layperson's understanding of how the brain works is fundamentally different from how computers work. The hard-wired CPU/RAM model is just not a perfect parallel, so while we can and will improve on machines that learn, it's going to be different from the wetware that is constantly growing, changing, forming new connections and interacting with internal, external and imagined stimuli.
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I'm more interested in whether or not we can build a microchip into a human brain. At least then I might be able to remember my wife's anniversary...
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Instead of recreating a human brain why don't they figure out how to wire a processor into the human brain to improve it.
I could use a built in graphing calculator or spell check.
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It's the reconfigurable nature of the human brain that's unique and powerful. If all you did was take one person, listed all of the skills of that person -- all of the things he knew; all of the skills in smell, touch, sight and taste; all of the cognitive reasoning ability -- then you could create a chip to simulate those skills. Algorithms for image recognition, feature extraction, speech recognition, etc. are all available that are very very close to what humans can do.
But the thing that separates humans is that it didn't take hundreds of years of mathematical development to come up with these algorithms. The human brain develops these algorithms through changes in its structure from birth. At about age 10, speech recognition specialized and tailored to the dialect, language and tones that the person hears has developed on its own.
That type of structural formation and learning is what would need to happen in silicon to make a truly intelligent machine. Neuron clusters emulated using transistors would need to be able to dynamically form connections to other neuron clusters. There'd have to be some type of distributed learning algorithm encoded in the operation of each individual neuron.
Speech recognition is easy. Image recognition is easy. Developing a distributed, scalable, self-modifying architecture that can learn all of those and more on its own with nothing more than training samples is the difficult part.
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"It takes about 20 transistors to implement a synapse. Clearly, building the silicon equivalent of 220 trillion synapses is not an easy problem to solve."
-- That's nice if you want to model the entire brain but why would you? How much of the brain is geared toward bodily functions that one would not necessarily need to model? If you exclude the required synapses dedicated to those functions you can focus on a smaller subset that would be easier to build and operate...no?
Another thought is when building a brain model...who's? Not all brains are built equal...almost every brain related health story I read online speaks of neurological issues in the brain...what are the odds of building these into any model of a brain? It can get expensive correcting the circuitry to improve and correct these? Which leads me to wonder...what does a flawless brain look like exactly?
Mode parent up! Do not seems reasonable to consider the "conscience" as a phenomena inherent to the biological brain. In fact - and this is somewhat ironic -, the most successful intelligent systems are based in cognitivist approaches, which are a little bit far away from the conexionist approach. While I do not believe that this situation will last much longer (given the difficulties in programming symbolic reasoning systems), I do not also believe that the brain simulation approach is the only way to go, or even the most efficient way to go.
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Simulation of a brain* has shown behavious one would expect in an actual brain.
So yes, it does look like imitating the brain will cause intelligence.
This is very cool, and I hop it pans out to large Simulations.
It could mean that intellect comes from the organization of the brain, a by products of the evolutionary need for memory.
*limited set of emmulated neurons, really.
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And we never will. There is one element that we are not given the power of, and that is to breath life into it. Only God (start the flame wars here) can do that.
Keep on trying though, there are other things that you will invent as the result.
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That's why I'd like to see it implemented in such a way that once my wet brain starts to deteriorate and lose functionality those processes would be picked up by the chip. Eventually all the brain bunctions would be handled by the chip but there hopefully wouldn't be any defining point in time where there would be two copies of me functioning at the same time. This would likely allow me to gradually become a cyborg and be unaware of no longer being me.
God gave us the capacity to create life. That's pretty evident. There's nothing in the Bible to suggest that we are restricted to standard procreation.
God really doesn't address anything beyond the human, and until we're handed a set of instructions on the subject, I will continue to strive to create better and less evil intelligence. If that proves not to be human... then that's what it takes.
As one of my professors once said: "How do we go from billions of neural synapses to midget wrestling?" While amusing, it points out one of our great unknowns. Biologists and neuroscientists (some psychologists) understand things at the synapse level, and how the chained firing happens in neurons. Then psychologists understand normal behavior by examining abnormal behavior, but that's at a much higher level. We simply don't know how to map out what's in between.
"There is one element that we are not given the power of, and that is to breath life into it."
If conscious awareness is something that just happens in a sufficiently sophisticated system that has sensory inputs and can compare its own present state to its previous states in ways that are meaningful to itself, then there is no God, there are no souls, we are biomechanical constructs, we simply cease to be when we die, and you get "life" for free if you build one of these things.
So far, all available evidence points to that being the case. I'm not aware of any evidence to the contrary.
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The Ship of Theseus, also known as Theseus's paradox, is a paradox that raises the question of whether an object which has had all its component parts replaced remains fundamentally the same object.
but will you want to scream and be unable to do so?
Also would you really want to be Borg? Not only will your brain deteriorate, but your body will as well. I've given some real thought to how the Borg likely started and this sums it up really. They added the ability to communicate with a central computer and each other electronically (it's faster afterall), and next thing you know the hive mind was born. /. even shows that hive mentality is possible in humans, this would simply enshrine it.
Mind you, so long as I was one of the first units produced I'm not sure I would mind it much. I think the initial cadre would be individuals for the most part (after the babbling idiots first produced when things go wrong and the bugs are worked out).
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Back in the mid-80s, Drexler's Engines of Creation had some things to say about reverse-engineered brains. From what I remember, a specialized nanomechanical processor could emulate a neuron in a fraction of the volume. The functioning of a human brain could be done in a package about a cm^3. The main concern was thermodynamics--how fast you could run the thing before heat became too much of a problem.
Turing machines may be equivalent, but their efficiency at various tasks isn't.
I think it would be a very interesting task that would increase the understanding of NP-complex problems (including simulations of turing machines on other turing machines) to see the efficiency cost graph.
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BTW, current estimates are more like 100 billion neurons and upwards of 300-500 trillion synaptic connections.
However, numbers aside, the human brain is not merely a complex collection of neurons and interconnected synapses. Complexity is only one very basic factor, another, more critical, factor is organization. We don't even know where to start in the organization of these artificial neural networks to emulate a human brain.
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Neurons and Synapses all all that do not make a "person." There is much more to human intelligence that I do not believe a machine could ever achieve. That is certainly not to say that we wouldnt be able to "grow" a machine with the personality of a human. In other words a human brain interfaced to a machine. The very fact that humans think as they do implies that it would be possible, but I do not believe man understands enough about their own nature, nor will we ever understand enough to actually re-create our minds in a machine from scratch.
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And a simulated intelligence that doesn't truly think or feel may get "machine rights". I wish these guys would read Dune; the jihad was was not against the thinking machines, but against the men who used the thinking machines to enslave their fellow men.
And, when they can model a fly's brain and build an artificial fly, I'll be a hell of a lot more impresses than their simply "modeling" 200k out of BILLIONS of brain cells. Build a fly's brain that can control a real fly's functions and I might start to believe you.
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Around 2012 the tech will exist to map the whole human brain; not a living one, just the resolution needed to get all the cells and connections-- maybe 2015... and it'll probably have to be a dead brain that doesn't move. Brain scans already gets quite small on living human brains; but I heard this estimate about 6 years ago and it sounds reasonable.
Not understanding how the brain works will always be a problem; its a nonlinear approximation (of the number 42?) as far as our general understanding of it goes--- even if the brain is just an analog version of such a math problem, those problems almost instantly scale beyond our grasp with only a few variables involved (just think in terms of linear algebra problems and how basic they have to be to "solve;" which doesn't necessarily mean we really fully understand the answers we get. For example, infinity--we work with it, get the concept but we never will fully understand it. )
Computing power grows at certain rates; one can use that combined with an estimate of how many transistors it takes per simulated neuron (or something like that) and estimate at what point we will have the power to load the brain scan data in and start trying to simulate a model of a real brain. Using custom designed chips and circuitry only make shorten the estimate as does clever new ways to simulate processes.
I'm guessing around 2030 but its hard to say. Doesn't mean that when somebody tries it something will happen...may have to give the thing simulated I/O as well to get anything from it. My guess is politics will be the worst problem as this kind of research gets closer to science fiction.
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Protozoa are simple, they just have a number of triggers with some memory. It can be hard to determine all of them but once you're done, it should be simple to simulate them.
And neurons are studied quite well enough. So far we don't see any 'superintelligent' behavior from simple neurons. There are subtle things that we might have missed (like recently discovered neurotransmitter spillover), but are they essential?
Personally, I think that we might be able to simulate brain. It will probably require several more breakthroughs, but I'd bet it will be possible.