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Microsoft Patents XML Word Processing Documents

theodp writes "Embrace. Extend. Patent. On Tuesday, Microsoft was granted US Patent No. 7,571,169 for its 'invention' of the Word-processing document stored in a single XML file that may be manipulated by applications that understand XML. Presumably developers are protected by Microsoft's 'covenant not to sue,' so the biggest question raised by this patent is: How in the world was it granted in light of the 40-year history of document markup languages? Next thing you know, the USPTO will give Microsoft a patent for Providing Emergency Data in XML format. Oops, too late."

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  1. two patent offices by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    it's already been suggested however this makes a decent case for a system with two competing patent offices. one to produce patents and the other invalidates them. give each a financial incentive to defend its position and let them fight it out. if the patent creating office issues a bogus patent and the patent invalidating office catches it, the patent creating office loses funding while the invalidating office gains funding.

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  2. OpenDocument by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So basically, OOXML was a way to acquire a patent that could kill ODF-using applications in the US (that can't get legal backing, anyways)

  3. Re:Won't hold up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once a few years ago, say 2007 or so, MS threatened to announce a replacement cross platform doc that would supplant PDF.

    Adobe released a statement in response to a planted question on CNet or something, that there was 'no reason why they couldn't release Flash-based competitor to PowerPoint,' and suddenly MS's latest initiative magically went away.

  4. Re:Won't hold up by FourthAge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This.

    It seems the "stupid patent formula" has been updated. It used to be "$X, but on the Internet". As in, "I've reinvented the wheel! But this time, it's connected to the Internet!"

    The new "stupid patent formula" seems to be "$X, but using XML". As in, "I've invented fire! But this time, it uses eXtensible Markup Language!"

    Since XML was the solution to all possible problems about ten years ago, we can probably guess at where the "stupid patent formula" will be in a decade's time. No doubt it will involve something like "$X, but using Javascript on a Web 2.0 social networking site that's accessed using a smartphone with a touch screen".

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  5. Last Land Rush by mindbrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Land Rushes that served up the last of the best lands America had to offer aren't too unlike the rationale driving the patenting of intellectual property. Corporations are driven by the need to protect themselves from potential future costs by claiming every "square inch" of intellectual property the US patent system will allow them to grab. If international laws are put in place governing intellectual property that are enforceable then the current seeming madness is the best available means of positioning American interests for the largest possible slice of the pie. About the time of the last land rushes Spencer's ideology of "survival of the fittest" was being touted as a rationale for the unconscionable actions of Yankee Traders who were infamous for their ruthless greed. It's a hedgemonists' zero sum game. There's method in the madness, madness though it be.

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  6. Re:Won't hold up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No the filing date is Jun 2002. Which means you'd have to find prior art dating before Jun 2001.

    Start with LEXX (IBM research paper in 1987), an interactive editor that supported and displayed SGML (among other languages). The LEXX paper references JANUS (papers in 1981 and 1982), and an ACM survey paper from 1971.

  7. Re:Stop the madness by jd2112 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This just in: Sony has filed no less than 50 patents on robot kittens.

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  8. Re:Won't hold up by OldSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The patent system is not going to reform itself. Industry will not reform it. The public will not reform it. The legal system will not reform it.

    I only partially agree with this. The "reform" that we're looking for can simply come if the PTO admits what it is doing. A very cursory glance at prior art and other patentability issues and then granting a patent. If the PTO was honest with itself that it is relying on the legal system to help it flush out the prior art claim then they should also FOSTER the ability of John Q Citizen to bring such a claim.

    In envision a cheap prior art challenge (cheaper than a full court case) perhaps filling out a few standard forms the PTO could concoct and then let that run.

    Alternatively, maybe the EFF can step up to this too?

  9. Yikes by mmaniaci · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use XML to wrap oil and gas pipeline data and then display it as a type of document. Am I going to get sued by Microsoft? Am I a personal example of prior art? We (the people I work with) have been doing this for over 10 years.

  10. Re:Won't hold up by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AbiWord uses an XML based format, and it was mature enough to win awards in 1999, 2000, and 2001.

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  11. Re:Won't hold up by secondhand_Buddah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Out of interest, I was technology evaluation on a beta version of MS Word in 1998 or 1999, for our company, that had a pure XML document format already which I was pretty exited about.

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  12. Re:Won't hold up by IBBoard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not only that, but check the first two "other references" in the patent:

    Ayers, Larry, "AbiWord's Potential", Linux Gazette, Issue 43, Jul. 1999, pp. 1-4. cited by examiner .
    "XML Schema for AbiWord Markup Language", downloaded from http://www.abisource.com/awml.xsd, May 27, 2000, pp. 1-3. cited by examiner .

    They specifically reference an article on AbiWord and AbiWord's XML schema! And it's cited by the examiner, so surely that means they found the prior art and said "this is relevant". Did they get confused by it having "Word" in the app name and assume it was an MS product?

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