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US Cell Phone Plans Among World's Most Expensive

Albanach writes "An OECD report published today has shown moderate cell phone users in the United States are paying some of the highest rates in the world . Average US plans cost $52.99 per month compared to an average of $10.95 in Finland. The full report is available only to subscribers, however Excel sheets of the raw data are available to download." (You'll find those Excel sheets — which open just fine in OpenOffice — on the summary page linked above.)

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  1. Stupid prices by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is what I've always wondered, but learned from Slashdot comments. Why the hell mobile plans are so costly in US? I have the largest plan available from my phone company, 2500 minutes / 2500 sms per month and unlimited 3G internet. And that's still only 29 euro per month. And I did actually use that 3G internet connection for a month while waiting for adsl connection to be set up for my new apartment (hell, even running a server from it). No transfer limits or anything like that.

    Yeah, mobile companies have extra costs from providing their infrastructure, but it just seems a lot what they ask in US. Sweden is mostly woods and non-urban areas too, so why is it done better here?

    Maybe voice your opinion to the companies so they stop charging so much?

    1. Re:Stupid prices by EvilNTUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's because US carriers compete based on who has the iPhone and who has the Pre rather than network price/quality. Then users "buy" $800 devices for "$99" and make fun of uncrippled foreign cell phone brands because they're "so expensive", and have useless features like application downloads from Sourceforge.

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    2. Re:Stupid prices by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That sounds pretty socialist there. I bet the Government even helped setup some towers.

      Here in the good ole USA. We have Competition. None of that GSM only crap. We have true competition between carriers with CDMA, GSM, iDEN, etc. That way for any given area of good reception, there's 3x the number of towers. TRUE competition.

    3. Re:Stupid prices by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Informative

      True competition? Then why are your prices so high?

      In a truly competitive market prices for comparable items converge towards a low price, as long as they aren't luxury items.

      Look around in your supermarket. You can probably find ten different brands of bread, all costing roughly the same per unit of weight. The price will be fairly comparative to European prices (should be lower in the US as you have lower taxes and lower wages). That's true competition.

      Not so in your cellphone market.

    4. Re:Stupid prices by Amouth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I'd be intrested to see. .instead of how much we all pay is.. how many customers are served Per tower - and how many towers vs area vs coverage.

      You maay have the largest plan for sweeden.. but do you roam when you go to the UK? even if not.. all of Western Europe is ~1/3 the size of the US and has 1/3 MORE people

      comes out to be:

      Western Europe | 514 people/mi^2
      United States | 86.5 people/mi^2

      Basicly it takes 5 times the area to hold the same numebr of people - asume population was evenly spread (i know it isn't) it should cost 5 times as much to provide for the same number of people..

      "Average US plans cost $52.99 per month compared to an average of $10.95 in Finland."

      Assume the Finland price for all of western Europe - and we pay 5x the cost for something 5x as expensive to provide..

      People don't realize how large the US is.. and that most plans now days there is no roaming from sea to sea.. thats alot of area to provide for..

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    5. Re:Stupid prices by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Western Europe | 514 people/mi^2
      United States | 86.5 people/mi^2

      Basicly it takes 5 times the area to hold the same numebr of people.

      That's amazing. I knew that people in the USA were bigger than usual, but I had no idea they were that big.

    6. Re:Stupid prices by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We need a VAT in the US.

      We need to tax the bad (over-spending/under-saving) and not the good (working and earning).

      This is not true around the world (Germany for example could arguably be blamed for over-saving), but the US desperately needs to tax consumption rather than production.

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    7. Re:Stupid prices by realisticradical · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That's exactly what Amouth was saying. European plans can be less expensive because the population is much denser and therefore easier to serve (fewer towers). Also since each company only needs to serve a single country customers aren't paying for free access all across Europe.

      On the other hand I think US carriers are guilty of heavy upselling. If I live in a dense city in a dense area (Boston, New York, DC, etc) and do 99% of my calling from there why can't I pay for a local plan and avoid subsidizing the tower/person costs of residents of Wyoming?

    8. Re:Stupid prices by idontgno · · Score: 4, Informative

      A great deal of consumer relations in big business nowadays boils down to this Frederick Douglas quote:

      Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.

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    9. Re:Stupid prices by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or how about you use Finland's population density instead, which turns out to be almost exactly half of that of the U.S. That pretty much destroys your argument.

    10. Re:Stupid prices by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or more properly, get government regulation in place to stop the pricing schemes that all of the US providers are in cahoots with. There is no reason sending a text message should be so expensive or even a voice call once the infrastructure is in place.

    11. Re:Stupid prices by ThosLives · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except the odd thing is, a value added tax is a tax on creation, not consumption. You don't "add value" by consuming, you add it by creating. A sales tax is, in fact, the best consumption tax. After all, would you rather be taxed because you built an addition onto your house, or taxed when you sold the house for profit?

      That said, all forms of "consumption tax" (either sales or VAT) are regressive because they disproportionately tax people who spend higher percentages of their incomes on consumables. You want to make it progressive, you make the sales (or VAT) rate proportional to total price, so you pay more tax on more expensive things.

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    12. Re:Stupid prices by mrops · · Score: 4, Informative

      And the finer point.

      It costs money to put up these towers.

      Europe has a larger population compared to US, yet it has a lesser amount of land to cover with cell sites.

      As a result, people/tower ratio is quite good in Europe and partially contributes to better plans.

      We have the exact opposite here in Canada, where the population is 10 times lesser than USA and land is larger. You should look at our plans. I am paying 25$/month for 500MB, plus anoter 45$ for voice (I'm rather lucky as I have a grand fathered plan which gives me unlimmited voice).

      Today, for the kind of money (about 90$/month). I would get 1000 min and 500 MB and 250 SMS.

    13. Re:Stupid prices by tholomyes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haven't you heard of Paul Bunyan, who was 25 feet tall? Or George Washington, twelve stories high, made of radiation? It's something in the water over here.

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    14. Re:Stupid prices by tilandal · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't drive from UVA to Washington DC on a 4 lane state highway without loosing signal. We don't all drive in circles around LA.

    15. Re:Stupid prices by koiransuklaa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Europe has a larger population compared to US, yet it has a lesser amount of land to cover with cell sites.

      As a result, people/tower ratio is quite good in Europe and partially contributes to better plans.

      ...yet Finland, the most sparsely populated country in Europe tops the chart. I think you'll need another explanation.

    16. Re:Stupid prices by AmigaMMC · · Score: 4, Insightful
      >All these companies need to pay for health insurance for all their full time employees. They dont get it via 20+% taxes like you do in Europe. So things cost more but you pay less taxes.

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      Ok, I'll take the bite and go offtopic, since I'm not the first one.
      Born in Europe, lived there 25 years, I've lived in the U.S. 13 years so allow me to know exactly what goes on in both places.

      You DO NOT pay less taxes in the U.S., it just seems so. Wanna crunch some numbers?
      Using Sweden as an example, feel free to use any other country

      Sweden minimum wage: $20/hour
      U.S. minimum wage: $6.75/hour

      Sweden taxes off the paycheck: 50%
      US taxes off the paycheck: (depends on which state you live in: 20% to 30%)

      Sweden health care system: excellent
      US Health care system: Excellent if you are rich. Add $200/month (my plan with $500 deductible, which is ridiculous that I still have to pay the first $500 and also doctor visits) or more for medical plan. That's $2500/year. Pretend that it's coming out of your paycheck as part of your taxes and see how much higher your tax percentage goes)

      Sweden education system: Universities (less than $5000 for 5 years including books, much less with scholarships)
      U.S. education system: Universities ($50,000 to $400,000+). $50,000 gets you a degree in a low quality university. Add that to your taxes.

      Swedish High Schools system: very good
      U.S. High School system: Mediocre

      Sweden paid vacation: 5 weeks/year
      U.S. paid vacation: 2 weeks/year (when you're lucky, I don't get any, only unpaid time off).

      Street lights in Sweden: really good. Even rural areas are well lit.
      US: not even big cities are well lit everywhere, nearly nonexistent in rural areas.

      Want me to go on? Nobody likes to pay more taxes, but comparing tax rates directly without taking into account everything else is pure fiction.

      By the way, I'm not swedish. I could have used any other country as an example.

    17. Re:Stupid prices by BAKup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you happen to know that Pharma spends more for advertising in the US than R&D?

      How about we get like almost every other country in the world, and ban prescription drug advertising, that would cut down on their costs dramatically, and make drugs cheaper for everyone.

       

    18. Re:Stupid prices by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From the first source for real numbers that I found:

      In 1986, EU pharmaceutical R&D exceeded U.S. R&D by about 24 percent, but by 2004, EU R&D trailed U.S. R&D by about 15 percent. During these 19 years, U.S. R&D spending grew at a real annual compound rate of 8.8 percent, while EU R&D spending grew at a real 5.4 percent rate.

      The US spends 15% more on pharmaceutical R&D than the EU. Other regions also invest in medical R&D. The USA is certainly not paying for the entire world's pharmaceutical R&D.

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    19. Re:Stupid prices by Da_Biz · · Score: 4, Informative

      News alert... The wealthy in the US already pay a lot of income taxes as the system is highly progressive. [snip] 39% of the ...total personal income taxes came from top 1%

      While you are likely technically correct, there's a nuance that needs to stated: Warren Buffett noted that there are significant inequities in this so-called "progressive" tax system:
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

      For those who do not RTFA, Warren notes that it's essentially ridiculous that he pays more as a percentage of his wealth than his secretary (who makes about $60K/year) and who has substantially less disposable income. Roughly summarized, Warren has essentially noted "tax the rich--it's OK, we'll figure out a way to make more."

  2. Yeah! We're number one! by line-bundle · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we aim to be number one in everything:

    healthcare costs
    shortest vacations
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    1. Re:Yeah! We're number one! by VirginMary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > about 70% of the people in the US LIKE what they have

      As a European living in the United States, I think that is because the people suffering by far the most in the US are so ill-informed about other Western democracies and so brain-washed from an early age, that they actually are proud of the abuse they're suffering in this country! After all they constantly hear they're "no. 1". What they generally don't hear is that the US is "no. 1" in the percentage of uninsured children etc. Even the ability to legally bribe politician here, called "campaign contributions", is called "freedom of speech." I guess corporations and rich people have much more "freedom of speech" than someone with a median income.

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    2. Re:Yeah! We're number one! by m.ducharme · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't THAT bad over here...at the worst you see on any polls, about 70% of the people in the US LIKE what they have. I dare say you can't hardly come up with any other topic that many Americans would agree on. So, why try to chuck the whole system, that the majority of people are seemingly happy with? Why not just fix what parts of the current system are broken?

      Because your health care system, such as it is, is the least efficient health care system in the developed world. Health care in the US costs twice as much per capita as the next worst nation, for what amounts to roughly comparable service. And really, the service is only roughly comparable if you ignore the significant numbers of people in the US who aren't insured at all (in the neighbourhood of 45M people, last time I checked), and don't really get any service unless they're catastrophically ill.

      Just because your corporate masters have made you eat shit and like it, doesn't mean the shit is good for you.

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  3. comparing apples and oranges..... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Europe (and most other regions outside of the US and Canada for that matter) the cellular user is not expected to pay the full cost of having wireless service. This is why other users who call your cell phone pay a premium for doing so and why the wireless customers over there often have free incoming calls. This is known as a "caller pays" model.

    The US has (for better or worse) adopted a "subscriber pays" model wherein the wireless customer pays a higher price and for incoming minutes but those who call him and do so at the same rate as any other phone call (free in many/most cases). The US also has many perks that aren't part of most calling plans in other countries -- unlimited calling to X numbers, unlimited nights and weekends, unlimited mobile to mobile, etc, etc. Add in all of these perks and break down the monthly rate by the number of minutes used and many Americans wind up paying around $0.02-$0.03 per minute for their cellular phones.

    It doesn't really tell us much to see a per month cost break down without looking at all of these other factors. In any case if you want to copy something from the rest of the world regarding wireless business models I would look at copying the concept of unlocked phones that are separate from contracts long before I'd look at copying their rate plans. I rather like to be able to call my friends who have cell phones without paying a penalty for doing so.

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    1. Re:comparing apples and oranges..... by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Uh.. those perks have been available in England for years. Plus when we get a phone with a contract, the phone is usually free. And can be upgraded every year, for free.

      I'm visiting America for a couple months right now, so I've bought a cell phone for while I'm here, and I've been appalled at how bad your cell service is. You guys have phone companies boasting in adverts that they drop your call less than any other network. FFS, why do you put up with them dropping your call at all?!? Unless you drive through a lot of tunnels or live in serious wilderness, if your phone dropped a call in England as often as they seem to over here, the network responsible would be out of business long before your contract had a chance to expire.

      And the nuisance calls.. I bought a brand new phone and gave my number to maybe three people. I've received over a dozen calls from unknown numbers, all of which Google has identified as scam callers. And I've been charged for being called by these so-and-so's.

      Cell phone services over here are just dreadful. Why you all pay so much for such mediocre service, I really don't know.

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    2. Re:comparing apples and oranges..... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cell phone services over here are just dreadful. Why you all pay so much for such mediocre service, I really don't know.

      Do you know how to pay less for better service in the US?

      I didn't think so.

      There's your answer. In the US, you have the choice of high-priced, mediocre service or no service at all. To make matters worse, a cell phone has almost become an essential tool for most Americans. So if you want better and cheaper service, your only (unrealistic) choice is to leave the country.

      Ideally, our capitalist economy should keep all the prices down, but the cellular giants collude to keep prices high and service poor. They also lobby the government to prevent any mandated change.

      It's completely appalling, but very very hard to change as a voter choosing from an extremely limited subset of corrupt politicians. That said, no country is perfect. I am sure there are some things about the US that you find superior to Britain as well.

  4. Some other info about Finland by Albanach · · Score: 5, Informative

    I should probably have added this when I submitted.

    In these threads, there are often comments about population density in Europe making coverage more effective. Finland has a population density of 16/km2 - that's lower than Maine and 37 other US states.

    Perhaps you think Finland must be tiny, in fact it's land area is 305470 sq km, that's bigger than Arizona. There are only five US states larger than Finland.

    Maybe coverage is actually really poor, restricted to big cities? Take a look at this coverage map.

    http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=fi&net=te

    Do any US states have coverage like that?

    1. Re:Some other info about Finland by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps you think Finland must be tiny, in fact it's land area is 305470 sq km, that's bigger than Arizona. There are only five US states larger than Finland.

      ...and Texas is two of them.

  5. Re:USA area most other countries by 0racle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if it was granted that cell plans in the US cost twice as much (or more) for worse service was because of the area of the US, that infrastructure has pretty much been in place for the past decade and hasn't changed much. Its been paid for already and maintenance does not cost as much as the initial deployment. So if it actually had anything to do with the cost of infrastructure, plans should have become more affordable, as they have pretty much everywhere except the US and Canada.

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  6. Explanation by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US has such expensive cell phone plans because the government has been protecting Big Telecom and turning a blind eye to exhorbitant pricing. In fact, by keeping prices high and using media spin to say just "how competitive we are" with the world, many US citizens are unware of anything better. It took Boost Mobile and Straight Talk to do something audacious and lower pricing on unlimited service to wake up competition again. Since the George W. Bush administration was pro rich, little was done to curb the excesses of big telecom and if big telecom can make gobs of money on older technology, there is no incentive to upgrade, thereby putting us further behind the technology curve. We all know what George W. Bush did to stifle science. For a while you really had only four choices: Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint. There isn't a doubt that these telecom giants colluded to keep prices high. I remember the hoopla when Verizon came out with FiOS. Everyone was thinking we had hit a miraculous breakthrough in broadband which is just what Verizon wanted everyone to think. Verizon banked on the ignorance of consumers. In reality, FiOS is behind the 8 ball. Japan has 100MBiT to the home right now. When the Verizon sales rep tried to tell me how great it was, I replied, "Stop. Just please stop the bullshit sales pitch. Japan has had 10MbiT to the home just prior to the turn of the century. This is nothing new or miraculous. Don't bank on consumer ignorance." To which I got a snarled response. Qwest is doing this right now in the Arizona Valley. Oh my god, "12MbIT service," whoop ti dooo!"

  7. Re:in the US? by radish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, I don't know what he's smoking. I pay roughly the same in income tax here in the US (once you add up federal, state and things like social security tax) as I did in the UK, but also get to pay for medical. Awesome!

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  8. Comparing Apples to Oranges by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the US, the monthly fee includes:

    • Carrier subsidy for the cost of the phone
    • Incoming calls are free to the caller
    • Much larger coverage area/long distance area
    • Free night/weekend calling
    • Free mobile to mobile calling
    • Free calling to designated off-network numbers

    So we pay more, but we get more. You have to buy your own phone, and you have to pay to call mobile phones. Also, our plans don't have to be so expensive. By way of example, I have a 4 line family plan that costs $31.87 per line. All 4 lines have:

    • $350 subsidy on the cost of the phone
    • Shared 1500 minutes peak airtime (we typically use closer to 8000 minutes total, but we never go over on peak airtime)
    • Unlimited 3G data
    • Unlimited SMS
    • Unlimited GPS/TV/Radio

    Now I look at what I get for $31.87/mo vs. what you get for 29 Euro/mo, and I am not seeing why I should be so outraged. Which is a shame really, because I do so enjoy getting worked up.

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  9. Did anyone look at the spreadsheets? by a+whoabot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did anyone look at the spreadsheets? What the hell are the numbers in them even supposed to be? It says "tax included" thereby implying that they are monetary amounts, but they don't say what unit, and the total for the US in the low usage one for August 2008 is 279.52. 279.52 of what units for what? For one month? Beats me.

    Does anyone know what the numbers actually are?

  10. Re:Missing the point by Werthless5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, in that case you'll be pleased to know that there are plans even cheaper than yours in Europe. For the summer, I'm using a pretty nice flip phone that cost me 50 CHF (~ $45) up front and costs me about 10 CHF/month, also with unlimited text. But I also get a lot more talk time than you. Also, keep in mind that Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries in Europe.

    The point is that the same American plans can generally be found in Europe for cheaper. There is no reason that those "outrageous plans" (as you put it) need to cost so much.

  11. Re:Infrastructure is part of it ... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

    Russia: 17,075,400 km^2. Population density: 8.3/km^2

    Phone plans: still cheaper than in the US.

  12. Pissing match by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps you think Finland must be tiny, in fact it's land area is 305470 sq km, that's bigger than Arizona. There are only five US states larger than Finland. ...and Texas is two of them.

    A Texan, an Arizonan, and an Alaskan were sitting around the campfire talking about how tough their respective citizens were. The The Arizonan says "boy, the average guy in my state sits in the 120 degree sun on a roof putting shingles on."

    The Texan says "In Texas we're bull riding at age ten!"

    The Alaskan didn't say anything, he just stood there stirring the fire with his dick.

  13. Another comparison by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Swedish heavy metal: Lots of excellent black metal, power metal, symphonic metal, death metal and Opeth (whatever they fall in)
    U.S. heavy metal: Thrash and some of everything else, for about the same total good quality output. But we have 30 times the population.

    Now, Finland has at least as much good heavy metal production as Sweden (no Opeth, but Sonata Arctica is almost as good), and they have a little more than half Sweden's population.