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Parents Baffled By Science Questions

Pickens writes "The BBC reports that four out of five parents living in the UK have been stumped by a science question posed by their children with the top three most-asked questions: 'Where do babies come from?', 'What makes a rainbow?' and 'Why is the sky blue?'. The survey was carried out to mark the launch of a new website by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills called Science: So what? So everything."

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  1. People definitely neglect science... by JordanL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always was interested in science, and when I was younger, it drove me to learn things on my own. While I was in high school, I substituted for a teacher a few times...

    But I was always amazed at how some people were so baffled by the simplest things that are very easy to learn about.

    The everyday person needs to know more science. Unfortunately, many people who do know a lot of science act religious. They treat people who don't know it as inferior, and I believe that turns a lot of people away from learning about it. Not because they think science is less valid, but in a sense, because they don't want to be like the jackass that just got done making them feel worthless.

    Honestly... I think people who know a lot of science are probably the biggest problem with science education.

    1. Re:People definitely neglect science... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One could make the argument that people who don't know any basic science ARE inferior. Yeah, sure, no one needs to know about electron orbitals and wave particle duality in their daily life. But people that believe that perpetual motion is completely legitimate and is being covered up by big oil companies and governments as some big conspiracy are fucking worthless. That isn't advanced science, that's standard high school junior year science. The people that pay absolutely no attention to that class have no idea why we should develop renewable energy because "we just need perpetual motion". Forget funding research into this area, let's waste time "overthrowing" corporations to get this magical source of limitless energy.

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    2. Re:People definitely neglect science... by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People, especially young people, just wait until someone tells them what happens next.

      Nonsense. Young people are naturally curious. Only after years of exposure to a spoon-feeding "educational system" do they become mindless drones waiting to memorize the next factoid. If we can change the system to work WITH their natural curiosity, it won't be difficult to motivate them - the hard part will be trying to keep them focused on just one topic.

    3. Re:People definitely neglect science... by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But people that believe that perpetual motion is completely legitimate and is being covered up by big oil companies and governments as some big conspiracy are fucking worthless.

      These aren't the people who should bother you. The people who should bother you are the people who don't understand why water boils, the people who think you can take antibiotics for a cold, the people who have no idea why ice floats, the people who don't know why hot air rises, the people who have no idea how an internal combustion engine works.

      To scientists, this stuff is like remedial math or basic reading skills. We recognize that this type of knowledge helps you function in the world. To non-scientists, as to the innumerate and illiterate, the value of this knowledge is entirely unappreciated and often viewed with contempt.

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    4. Re:People definitely neglect science... by shani · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People, especially young people, just wait until someone tells them what happens next.

      Nonsense. Young people are naturally curious. Only after years of exposure to a spoon-feeding "educational system" do they become mindless drones waiting to memorize the next factoid. If we can change the system to work WITH their natural curiosity, it won't be difficult to motivate them - the hard part will be trying to keep them focused on just one topic.

      Nonsense. Anyone with experience with young children (say 2 to 5 years old) will know that kids are curious, but incredibly lazy. So they ask, "why?" and wait for an answer. And then they ask "why?" about that. And then "why?". And then "why?". And then "why?".

      If you don't teach them how to reason for themselves, then they behave exactly as the original poster describes. They just wait until someone tells them what happens next. It is work to show children that they can reason for themselves, or investigate causes on their own.

    5. Re:People definitely neglect science... by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learning for the sake of learning doesn't seem to be popular anymore

      Schools and universities are increasingly being measures by how well they prepare people for work - i.e. education is becoming more like vocational training.

      In Britain, the government has made schools a lot more centralised. Both schools are teachers have a lot less discretion.

    6. Re:People definitely neglect science... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Insightful

          Unfortunately, your rant isn't all that misplaced, although this may not be the perfect audience.

          People *can* be smart. They likely won't be, because they can (almost) always get someone else to do it for them. If they didn't have a microwave oven, they wouldn't be able to cook themselves dinner. If they didn't have IT tech support, they wouldn't be able to work a computer. If they couldn't have their car towed to a mechanic and repaired, they wouldn't get from point A to point B.

          We're all guilty of this to some degree. If I couldn't just buy gas for my car at a convenient location, I'd be hard pressed to refine my own fuel. Unfortunately, it's rough to increasingly difficult to find places close to work where I could raise my own food or pump my own water. (and yes, I don't do these right now because of this). Finding someone who could make their own nails or prepare their own timber to build their own house is virtually impossible. These days, if you dropped most people off from the city into vast wilderness, they'd be at a loss to feed themselves, but they'd tell you about what they saw on Survivorman, or some other reality show.

          We're in a spoonfed society, which isn't getting any better any time soon. Well, unless you have any belief in the 2012 prophecies. I take them as an interesting talking point for a "what if", but I give the odds of something happening right up there with Y2k. It'll be a well discussed non-event. If you took an arbitrary group of 20+ people and dropped them in the wilderness, how long would they last? I like the show "Lost", but honestly believe they wouldn't survive more than a couple weeks, even without all the other character interactions. You'd see a group of 20 who died from starvation, dehydration, exposure, or disease from poorly planned waste disposal (mental note, don't shit in your fresh water supply).

          Welcome to modern society. You'll always be dependent on someone else, and pay dearly for those services. You are right, we're all minor stones in the great wall of civilization, and no one will notice of one (or thousands) don't work quite right.

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    7. Re:People definitely neglect science... by CarpetShark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question is, how many are baffled, and how many just don't care to learn it?

      Yep. Some people have much more pressing issues, like getting by on/below the poverty line. And maybe they don't think it's even the right stuff to be filling their kids' heads with. Yes, that should probably change, but I think there's definitely an overestimation of science's significance (in terms of awareness rather than potential) to the average person going on here.

      That said... I think there is one overriding factor that could sort it all out. And it's a factor that I never see discussed in terms of parenting skills or raising kids. That factor is: your kid just asked a serious question about life. If you can't answer it, go the fuck out and find the answer, and give it to him. Basically, have some respect for the child's questions... he's obviously asking because it's important to his development in some way.

    8. Re:People definitely neglect science... by acklenx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...kids are curious, but incredibly lazy. So they ask, "why?"

      You have to seed the pool of reasoning... If they have no basis for "why" how can you expect them to reason out why something else happens?

      I used to push my son in a stroller while I went for a run. He would ask why ad infinitum, and I kept on answering way past his ability to comprehend. But I was amazed at his memory - even years later he remembered the "why" and was able to apply that to new questions - no longer asking simply "why" but asking instead, "is it because...", or "is it like..." but referring to thing that were way outside of his comprehension level at the time he was originally "spoon fed".

      I think the biggest problem is that teacher are used to being spoon fed themselves. How many teachers don't know the answer if it's not printed in the "teacher's edition" of the book?

      Typical Q&A with the science teacher:
      Why is the sky blue?

      Because it reflects blue light.

      Why does it reflect blue light?

      Because it's blue.


      It's a good thing they taught me to read early. That's about the only way I learned anything.

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    9. Re:People definitely neglect science... by wbren · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learning for the sake of learning doesn't seem to be popular anymore...

      Of course, because if you learned for the sake of learning you would be an intellectual, which is considered a bad thing in modern America. You can't have a beer with an intellectual, and intellectuals are not good at bowling.

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  2. Calvin's Dad by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously many parents parents need to be more like Calvin's Dad. He was never stumped by Calvin's science questions.

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    1. Re:Calvin's Dad by tygerstripes · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is the basis for all of my interactions with inquisitive children, for a number of reasons:
      1. It's fun to lie creatively to the credulous, even if it's immoral
      2. Kids who aren't old or bright enough yet to spot the obvious lie wouldn't get much out of the facts anyway. A kid who is told a fact by a trusted adult will hold, use and quote it as gospel for years, without critically evaluating it. This is both annoying and problematic.
      3. When a kid is old/bright enough to spot the lie, they are ready to understand the truth rather than just believe it. This is an effective and useful way to gauge and encourage a child's intellectual development.
      4. Most importantly, when a child catches an adult out by deductive reasoning, and receives the truth as a reward... there is no greater sense of achievement, nor a more powerful incentive for genuine curiosity, in a child.

      Curious children come from creative and interesting parents.

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  3. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of how you categorize it, if a parent can't answer to a child where babies come from it's not for lack of knowledge.

  4. Re:Pardon? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A child asking "Where do babies come from" isn't "Daddy, explain to me what biological processes occur when a man ejaculates in a woman's vagina while she's ovulating." It's the physical "where do babies come from?" i.e. Are they brought by a stork? Are they bought at a store? Is there biology involved anywhere in the process regarding baby making? etc.

    So no, "where do babies come from" is NOT a science question when asked by a child.

    The question that the child would ask if he wanted to know the biology would be something like "how do babies grow in mommy's tummy?"

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  5. Disagree by aepervius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly... I think people who know a lot of science are probably the biggest problem with science education.

    The problem is not that science people are arrogant, the problem is that they come way too late in education (to properly explain the science method) at a point where all people did for the previous year was swallow factoid and regurgitate them (lower school science lesson is usually just that), and combined with the fact science is seen as nerdy/geeky and thus only for contempt. Later those same people which admire jocks and despite nerd become parents and are baffled by science question.Add to that the fact that science is sometimes seen as attacking/going against their own religious belief (in reality science as a method do not care for religion (except social science) what cannot be falsified is ignored)...

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  6. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    However, surely parents should have a certain amount of... familiarity with the answer to, "where do babies come from?"

  7. Just some parental advice... by dbet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this happens to you, the best thing to do is say that you don't know and go find out together with your child. This not only gives you something fun to do, it can help teach them to explore the internet, a bookstore, or a library. Most importantly it teaches them how to learn things.

    The cool thing is, most of these basic questions have many levels beneath them. For example, most of you know why grass is green, but why is chlorophyll green? Why is green a really odd color for plants to use? Would "orange-phyll" (if it existed) work too? This leads to an exploration of chemistry and physics as well as biology.

    Another good thing to teach is how people know this stuff - the idea that the natural world is knowable through discovery and testing, and that we decide as a community what "the truth" is, based on what we observe and what makes sense. Kids can certainly learn the idea of what science is at a pretty young age, even if complex logic isn't possible until, I don't know, early teens? Hmm, something to look up!

  8. Sometimes "I don't know" is a brilliant answer by Torodung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all, when asked about the color of the sky, a parent could answer like this.

    Let us give thanks that some people have the sense and honesty to say "I don't know," and try not to look down our noses at them. Bad parenting is darned hard to unlearn.

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  9. Re:Pardon? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet, you can give a scientifically correct answer omitting unnecessary details:

    Daddy gave mommy a baby-seed that growed in her tummy until the baby was ready to be born.

    The trick is to explain things on a level kids can understand.

    I can also warmly recommend the TV-series Once Upon a Time... Life, which is biologically very correct yet entertaining to watch.

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  10. Re:More science questions by Archimonde · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if you don't explain the Rayleigh effect properly (as you did) you actually don't explain why the sky is blue. In other words, your answer isn't explanatory/informative much because you "explained" the explanandum by introducing another one.

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  11. Misunderstanding the level required for answers by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A lot of people above are posting about "Why is the sky blue" being a hard question, Rayleigh scattering, etc. etc. But this is to miss the context, which is telling children. The level of an explanation depends on the ability of the explained-to person to understand.

    From this point of view, all that is needed is to be able to explain light from the sun is made up of all colors (no need to explain wavelengths) - which you can demonstrate with a bit of broken glass, no need for an official prism - and are then most of the way to the rainbow explanation - and that the blue light from the sun is spread out more by the atmosphere. You can demonstrate scattering simply by putting a little milk in a glass of water and shining a flashlight through it. This is a level of explanation suitable for a child under, say, 13, and already introduces a number of ideas about optics.

    As for where babies come from, even quite small children are quite safe with the idea that babies grow inside their mothers. Rural children can hardly avoid knowing this by the age of 3 or so. They need reassurance that it won't happen to them, yet, and they need a gradual increase of detail until they reach puberty. But they don't need to know about DNA, cell fission, fertilisation and so on in order to understand what causes pregnancy and how to avoid it until it's actually wanted.

    Personally, I blame not so much the dumbing down as the increasing formalism of science teaching. The criticism of science teaching in Brazil made by Richard Feynmann is now valid in much of the West today. We actually need to teach ideas with simpler, more familiar equipment rather than the special manufactured experiments in school labs, otherwise how can people see the relevance? The example above, of someone suddenly realising that mayonnaise is an emulsion, is a good one.

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  12. Re:Pardon? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You do realize that you actually accuse us for being close minded, but you laud the people close minded enough not to be able to talk about sexuality. How wonderful...

    I tip my hat to you for the greatest hypocrisy I have seen in years.

  13. Re:Results by Ethnic Group by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Einstein said it best (and much shorter) with this quote: "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."

  14. spoonfed = civilisation by fantomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Getting other people to do things for you, and not knowing how everything works is positive, it's called civilisation. Possibly people could live on this planet as complete autonomous islands, being completely self sufficient, but working together and sharing tasks is more efficient for everybody, frees up time, and allows for redundancy.

    You may be able to manage to maintain a 21st (or even 19th) century lifestyle all on your own but most people just wouldn't have the time to plant their own crops, grow cotton, weave their clothes, find metal ores, mine them, smelt them to produce metal goods, build petrol driven machines from the raw ores, learn enough medical science to undertake complex medical operations when accidents and illness occurred, raise children, find the time to teach them, still keep this going after you've had an accident and are laid up in bed for six months, etc.