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An Electricity-Cost-Aware Internet Routing Scheme

Al writes "Researchers from MIT, Carnegie Mellon and Akamai have developed a network-routing scheme that could save 'internet-scale' companies such as Google, Amazon and Microsoft million of dollars each year by moving data to locations with the best electricity prices for a particular day. The scheme simply considers both the most efficient routing path for data and the potential cost savings of routing it somewhere farther away. The researchers studied price fluctuations at locations across the country and used data from Akamai caching servers to test the idea out. In the best possible scenario — which would require more efficient servers — they estimate that companies could save as much as 40% on the electricity bills (tens of millions each year). Google already operates at least one datacenter that shuts down when temperatures get too high. Is this the next logical step for internet computing?"

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  1. Prior art by An+dochasac · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least this idea was previously published at Research Disclosure, a site intended as an inexpensive way to log prior art. It is the next logical step and I'm glad to see that companies are moving in that direction.

  2. This is just electricty outsourcing. by BlueKitties · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While at first this struck me as an interesting idea, it took me a moment to realize that this is just dynamic (err... at server runtime) outsourcing. So, really, this isn't very amazing. Still, I think this is a good idea for us consumers: it means electricity usages for certain areas can shrink, which could potentially help lower rates for the rest of us. For once, outsourcing might be good for the economy.

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  3. Who keeps the savings?? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will the savings from this measure be passed on to consumers in the form of lower prices?? If so, I'm all for it; else, screw this, I won't take a performance hit on the Internets just to make some CEO and stockholders even richer.

    1. Re:Who keeps the savings?? by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You just don't get it.
      Will the savings be passed on to the customer? Yes because the customer is Google, Microsoft, and maybe Amazon.
      What people don't get is that you and I are not Google's, Facebook's, or even Slashdot's customer.
      We are their product.
      Unless you buy ads on those services you are not their customer.
      Amazon is different but I doubt that this will cause a performance hit that you notice or they will not do it. But really folks get a clue. We are Google's customers like a cow is a dairy farmers customer.

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    2. Re:Who keeps the savings?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      We are Google's customers like a cow is a dairy farmers customer.

      You mean... Google wants my man-milk?

      I'm strangely aroused and confused.

  4. Smoke and Mirrors by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The end result of these sorts of schemes is that large companies will increase local demand and local electricity prices. The big users will get rebates and concessions, while small users, particularly residential customers, will get hosed.

    At the end of the day, once a few large players do this, the benefits will be marginal for them, as electricity costs are mostly driven by peak load.

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  5. Good for Wind energy by ion++ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is good for wind energy. Wind energy has the problem that it sometimes doesnt blow, and other times it blows too much ;-)

    I have read it is possible to give pretty accurate wind predictions. This could be used to start servers in locations where it blows too much, and stop servers in locations where it doesnt blow.

  6. artistic license by xzvf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget moving data to avoid taxation (someone political/evil) is going to get the bright idea of taxing transactions in a data center eventually), prosecution (might have to move the people executing the transactions, I picture cruse ships in international waters for online porn and gambling eventually, which brings up the issue of pirates, but that's another topic), and law suits (someone sues, infringing a patent, divorce - migrate your business to a friendly location).

  7. Hang the latency... by camperdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When asked whether deciding to route based on electricity prices, a spokesman for the group said "Hang the latency. We don't care if the packets take two or three times as long to get where they're going as long as our costs go down. Not only that, but we're marketing this as 'green networking', which means we'll be able to charge more for it. Everybody wants to be green these days. It's a great scam... I mean scheme."

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  8. Low Datacenter Costs by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the subject of data center running costs, why are there not more data centers in Iceland? The cold climate (to minimize cooling costs, which can be 50% of the total power drain in hot climates) combined with cheap renewable geothermal electricity would make it ideal I think.

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    1. Re:Low Datacenter Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      why are there not more data centers in Iceland?

      Why not Greenland? The climate there is actually colder than Iceland, and it has a more ecologically friendly name.

    2. Re:Low Datacenter Costs by bumburumbi · · Score: 5, Informative

      With only two cables connecting Iceland to the Ineternet, companies have not been eager to set up shop here. FARICE-1 is fairly modern (2004), CANTAT-3 is rather old (1994) and a new cable, DANICE is being built. For many companies the risk of one or more of these cables being down is to large to offset the cheap electricity and cool weather.

    3. Re:Low Datacenter Costs by Fastolfe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For companies that are latency-sensitive (like Google), it doesn't make sense to serve a lot of traffic out of Iceland (except to Icelanders, perhaps).

  9. Will they re-route if usage peaks? by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So let's say Minneapolis has the cheapest power that day, but then they have more-than-normal consumption rates. Will brown-outs occur or will the power companies not allow the infringing data companies on the grid to keep the indigenous peoples' lights on? It would suck if I lived in town and my power went out because Google wanted to save a few $$.

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    1. Re:Will they re-route if usage peaks? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So let's say Minneapolis has the cheapest power that day, but then they have more-than-normal consumption rates.

      This scenario makes no sense. If a utility is experiencing high loads, they will charge *more*, not less. And the higher the load, the more they'll be charging. This scheme directs data center power consumption *away* from heavily loaded utilities, not towards them.

  10. Shades of rn? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The kids these days probably don't remember this bit of text, but it used to be the standard warning before sending a posting out to a network which we talk about in exactly the same way you talk about fight club:

    This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout
    the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net
    hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere.

    Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [yn]

    And that was just for sending text messages usually under 4 KB in size.

    And now they talk about cost-aware routing?

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