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Up To 90 Percent of US Money Has Traces of Cocaine

mmmscience writes "Scientists have found that up to 90% of US paper money has some cocaine contamination, up from the 67% mark measured two years ago. Looking at bills from 17 cities, it's no surprise that the city with the highest level was Washington DC, where up to 95% of bills gathered there tested positive. From a global standpoint, both Canada and Brazil tested rather high (85% and 80%, respectively), but China and Japan were well behind the curve at 20% and 12%. The researchers hope that studies such as these will be of help to law enforcement agencies that are attempting to understand the growth and flow of drug use in communities."

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  1. In all fairness by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apples and oranges. Japan doesn't have Lindsey Lohan as a citizen.

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    1. Re:In all fairness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but at some point in time, I'm sure Keith Richards passed through...

    2. Re:In all fairness by natehoy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ummm... the article isn't introducing this as a new issue. Even the article summary makes that clear. The article is about the increases in contamination.

      The point of the article is that the rate of contamination is increasing. The Snopes article makes mention of 1985 being 33 to 50% contamination rates. The article summary refers to a 2-year-old study that puts contamination closer to 67%, and now the most recent study puts it at around 90%. So the point is that the contamination has increased.

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    3. Re:In all fairness by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the point is that the contamination has increased.

      Perhaps, but that may not mean that the cocaine industry is increasing, if it was say 40% in 1985, pretend that same 40% is still in circulation, the now 90% contamination may simply be from newer/more bills touching the original 40%... how old is your wallet? When is the last time you bothered to wash it? (especially since most are leather) I bet quite a few people have wallets/purses/etc that are 10 years old, all with "traces" of cocaine in them spreading to new bills put in them.

      What about other factors like ATM and cash registers, the bags the money is put in by banks for travel/dispersal, when is the last time they were washed, most of those are (the machines as well) are probably a decade old or more.

    4. Re:In all fairness by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What part of the Iran-Contra business did you fail to fully understand, 30 years ago? It's only worse, today.

      ALL USD is tainted by Cocaine.

      And by child slavery, forced prostitution and slaughter of innocents. Viva Roma!

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    5. Re:In all fairness by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Yes, but at some point in time, I'm sure Keith Richards passed through..."

      If that's the case, they should also test for traces of his dad on the money too.

      :)

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    6. Re:In all fairness by Mandi+Walls · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everyone in Japan has Hello Kitty coke spoons.

    7. Re:In all fairness by 31415926535897 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apples and oranges.

      Why yes, how did you know my apples and oranges have traces of cocaine as well?

    8. Re:In all fairness by natehoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, that's quite possible. I'm also sure that their measurement floor of .006 micrograms has a lot to do with it - I'm relatively certain that such amounts were all but undetectable in the 1980s for example.

      And, for the record, I'm not (as the article is) suggesting that "contamination" = "use". The article is making a ridiculous assumption, on that we certainly agree.

      I think the explanation is far simpler. Population increases (money changing hands faster), increases in detection equipment so we can detect increasingly tiny contamination, more machines handling money so the machines can get contaminated and spread the contamination further, etc etc etc.

      Douglas Adams was right. Eliminating phone sanitizers is a really bad idea. Recall the "B" Ark!

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    9. Re:In all fairness by tkohler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You guys are all missing the obvious... What do you think the press-operators at the U.S. Mint do on their breaks in the paper storage room?

    10. Re:In all fairness by natehoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      That certainly explains why the machines are able to run so fast...

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    11. Re:In all fairness by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except, the average lifespan of a paper note is about 18 months depending on the denomination. Very few 1985 bills remain in circulation today.

      (which, btw, is the argument for using coinage instead. Coins last *much* longer than paper money, and usually have a fraction of their face value in metals content (which provides some pressure against inflation, for obvious reasons) but that's an argument for another day, dollar coin refusers.)

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    12. Re:In all fairness by dumbunny · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lindsay Lohan was born in 1986 when the contamination rate was 33 to 50%. In 2007, she was in rehab, and the contamination rate was 67%. Now that she's out, it's 90%. I think we have established both a geographic and longitudinal correlation.

    13. Re:In all fairness by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

      All true, but slipping a dollar coin in a g-string is a non-starter. What were we talking about again?

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    14. Re:In all fairness by RegularFry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except, the average lifespan of a paper note is about 18 months depending on the denomination. Very few 1985 bills remain in circulation today.

      Ah, but - with the levels they're measuring, contact contamination between notes *must* be an issue. While the notes themselves won't be in circulation, that doesn't necessarily mean that the contamination half-life isn't longer than a given bill's circulation life.

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    15. Re:In all fairness by sorak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another possible factor is that direct deposits, online banking, debit, and credit cards, have made it so that many people do not need to carry cash. I'm curious what percent of the actual paper bills in wallets are there because that is the smartest way to pay for illegal drugs.

    16. Re:In all fairness by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have to put the coins in the proper coin slot. The really talented strippers can even dispense change for you.

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    17. Re:In all fairness by Wansu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ones, Fives and Tens have average circulation life of less than 2 years. Twenties have average circulation life of approximately 2 years. Fifties have average circulation life of a little more than 4 and 1/2 years and one hundred dollar bills have average circulation life of about 7 and 1/2 years.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Note

      So it's unlikely that any 24 year old bills would be contaminating new bills. But there still may be some old-new contamination going on nonetheless.

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    18. Re:In all fairness by northernboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but way back in the late '80s, the Feds were confiscating money in Dade County, FL if they found traces of cocaine on it, based on a theory that only money related to active drug dealing would be contaminated. For reasons I never understood, the task of calling them on this idiocy fell to the Coroner's office. They collected money of all denominations from cities around the US and a few foreign locations (I recall one was London). Their criterion for identifying cocaine was GC/MS analysis. Their summary result was that all US paper currency tested except "SOME" brand new bills fresh from banks were contaminated with identifiable cocaine. I read that as well over 90%. I was finally able to Google a legitimate reference to this information.

      Please focus on the last two paragraphs.

      From a Los Angeles Times article dated 1994 (http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-13/local/me-62172_1_drug-money?pg=1):

      "In its decision, the appeals court relied on uncontradicted evidence that more than three of every four bills circulating in Los Angeles were tainted with drug residue.

      That evidence was provided by Ojai-based forensic toxicologist Jay B. Williams, who said he had done numerous studies since 1982 that turned up drugs on samples of $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100 bills taken from throughout the West--from banks, casinos, stores and restaurants.

      Williams, who has specialized in drug and alcohol tests for 27 years, said last week that the percentage of contaminated bills ranged from 15% in Bozeman, Mont., to a little more than 75% in Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

      The bills he tested contained quantities of cocaine as small as a nanogram, meaning one-billionth of a gram, to as much as a milligram, one-thousandth of a gram.

      Williams' tests are consistent with other research nationwide. In one study, Florida researchers analyzed 135 bills gathered randomly from cities around the United States; all but four tested positive for cocaine.

      One of those researchers, Lee Hearn, now the chief toxicologist for the medical examiner's office in Dade County, Fla., said: "The only bills that didn't have contamination were crisp new ones that had limited circulation, if any at all."
      "

    19. Re:In all fairness by skine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People have an average lifespan of less than 80 years. So it's unlikely that a communicable disease would last for more than a couple centuries, right?

    20. Re:In all fairness by j-pimp · · Score: 3, Funny

      People have an average lifespan of less than 80 years. So it's unlikely that a communicable disease would last for more than a couple centuries, right?

      Except cocaine particles do eat money fibers and reproduce.

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    21. Re:In all fairness by Apro+im · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obligatory telephone sanitizer link.

    22. Re:In all fairness by http · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here in Canada, we value strippers more.

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    23. Re:In all fairness by RockoTDF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pretty narrow minded statement there. In reality, it is a good way to compare which countries are using cocaine, and possibly even how often. I would be willing to bet that you find it more on higher valued bills, and finding it on lower valued bills is probably an indicator that the less affluent are also using it. Those are just examples I thought up right now (didn't read article because I've read about this before) and I'm sure someone who actually does this for a living could be even more creative.

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    24. Re:In all fairness by ekhben · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer to just swipe my card.

  2. Given the Cost of the Substance ... by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looking at bills from 17 cities, it's no surprise that the city with the highest level was Washington DC, where up to 95% of bills gathered there tested positive. From a global standpoint, both Canada and Brazil tested rather high (85% and 80%, respectively), But China and Japan were well behind the curve at 20% and 12%. The researchers hope that studies such as these will be of help to law enforcement agencies that are attempting to understand the growth and flow of drug use in communities.

    Nope, sorry, has nothing to do with growth and flow. Merely that China and Japan are better at properly labeling and storing their valuable narcotics and opiates. Given the cost of the substance, you would think the American & Canadian coke heads would be better at keeping it separate from other things. But when you need to carry only coke and money with you ... the cost of that second briefcase probably outweighs the amount of coke you lose just shoving money and coke into one briefcase. Being able to do it in a frenzied haphazard manner isn't just how it's done in Martin Scorsese films, it's a necessary skill of coke users and traffickers. I wonder what "essence of G-string" levels respective countries have on their smallest denominational bills?

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    1. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you misunderstand. It's not the carrying of cocaine in your wallet/pocket/purse that contaminates the dosh, it's the snorting of it through a rolled up note.

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    2. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would imagine that its both that AND then having that money rub up against other money as it goes into you wallet and then to the bank, and then through mechanical counting machines. How sensitive is the test? How many bills could one "nose straw" collect?

      This is, btw, nothing new. I read this same statistic in an article on civil property seizure 10 years ago. Its been known for years.... the police can confiscate any cash you have, at any time. If even one bill tests positive for cocaine, its all suspect.

      But its civil court, so no need to worry. They have to show a "preponderance of evidence" that it was used for something illegal. ALl you have to do is prove that it wasn't. Your not going to let essentially being guilty until proven innocent deter you are you? No worries though, its not criminal.... so all you lose is your cash.

      Sounds fair doesn't it?

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    3. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by Reece400 · · Score: 2, Funny

      With how some bill counting machines flap the bills around, it's suprising there isn't a nice layer of cocaine dust over half of the bank.

    4. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "With how some bill counting machines flap the bills around, it's suprising there isn't a nice layer of cocaine dust over half of the bank."

      Hmm...well, that would go a LONG way in explaining our current financial/banking situation.

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    5. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by crrkrieger · · Score: 3, Informative

      The most common test for the seizure of currency is a dog sniff. It is little know that cocaine is, in fact, odorless. Drug dogs do not detect cocaine. They detect a biproduct of the production of cocaine called methyl benzoate. Methyl benzoate is a volitile organic compound that dissapates quickly. If a dog hits on it, it is a clear sign not only that the money has been in close contact with cocaine, but that it was RECENTLY so.

      Take a look at this case United States v. $30,670 in U.S. Funds, 403 F.3d 448 (7th Cir. 2005). There the court does a good analysis of the available facts. You would need at least 50,000 innocently tainted bills (not dollars, but bills!) for the dog to hit on it.

      Of course, this is Slashdot, so I don't know why I would expect someone to know what they are talking about . . .

    6. Re:Given the Cost of the Substance ... by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Methyl benzoate isn't specific to cocaine, and it is not just a byproduct of manufacture of cocaine, but is produced by cocaine hydrochloride (powder cocaine) exposed to humid air. So if there's cocaine on the bills, and the air is humid, there will be methyl benzoate as well. Further, if the bills were exposed to methyl benzoate from some other source, a dog trained to alert on it would detect it.

  3. So... by SigILL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't get caught with US dollars on you in Dubai.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It really really pisses me off at the Canadian border.... I cross it frequently and have been stopped several times for the "bonus interrogation". Every single time they run my money through their machine and, of course, it comes up positive for cocaine. Then they try to intimidate me about it.

      And every single time, I say "good luck with that in court -- I'll have my lawyer test the judge's wallet and your wallet. ALL the money is contaminated because the drug war is an utter failure. Are we done yet?"

      Now in Dubai... hell, any other country, I'd probably throw away my wallet, put all money in electronics, and arrive naked any more. Stupid, stupid world....

    2. Re:So... by johannesg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't get caught with US dollars on you in Dubai.

      That's a damn good point, actually... So why isn't there a constant stream of arrests in that country, given that they are able to detect absolutely minute traces of drugs on a person? There must be plenty of people travelling through there carrying dollar bills.

    3. Re:So... by jimicus · · Score: 3, Informative

      There have been a certain number of arrests in circumstances that would be considered absurd in any other country:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-Dubai-customs-cannabis-weighing-grain-sugar-shoe.html

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4200952.stm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai#Zero_tolerance_drug_policy

      I've been through Dubai and I did think it seemed quite strict, security-wise. They didn't do much more than X-ray most people but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were to find some silly percentage in the 80-90s were "carrying drugs" if you use machinery as sensitive as they do.

  4. Well, that explains something. by InfinityWpi · · Score: 4, Funny

    This has to be why people love the smell of their money. Just hold it up to your nose and sniff... and you get a minor contact high from the drugs.

  5. Hmm... so this is why i'm addicted... by Rooked_One · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... to money

  6. I think maybe the Fed got the wrong idea... by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    when Bush recommended an 'economic stimulus'.

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  7. So the government should ... by neonprimetime · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... be using where's george to plan their next drug busts?

  8. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 5, Funny

    I roll up 100 dollar bills to snort up other 100 dollar bills. Its a vicious circle.

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    1. Re:Hrmm by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

      I roll up 100 dollar bills to snort up other 100 dollar bills. Its a vicious circle.

      How do you snort your last 100 dollar bill?

    2. Re:Hrmm by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Through a tube made out of coca leaves.

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  9. Cross Contamination anyone? by bagboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please, could it not simply be that when the money is bundled together it is cross-contaminated?

    1. Re:Cross Contamination anyone? by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the suggestion is that most of the paper money in America has been in contact with cocaine users.

    2. Re:Cross Contamination anyone? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it's suggesting that there's a 90% chance any single bill has gone through a cocaine user's hands at least once in its lifetime.

      If an average bill had changed hands, say, 10 times, then it comes to about 20% rather than 90%. (80% of non-contamination ^ 10 people = 10.7% chance it's still not contaminated. Thus about 90% of bills would be contaminated in this case.)

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    3. Re:Cross Contamination anyone? by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which is also very likely false. Money just doesn't flow in that way. On the other hand, it seems likely that most automated money processing machines have been in contact with contaminated bills. And I expect that those machines aren't regularly thoroughly cleaned and contaminate all subsequent bills, which in turn contaminate subsequent machines.

      "Traces" has no definition above one molecule (or could be even less if you're into holistic medicine /grin). One bill handled with coke-covered hands or used to snort could contaminate tens of thousands of other bills with "traces" of coke.

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    4. Re:Cross Contamination anyone? by fermion · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it true that 20% of the people control 80% of the money, then it is clear that the those 20% are cocaine users, while the rest of us use crack, which is mostly filler ingredients. And, since we don't have the money, this explains why crack is so prosecuted. No defense money means that the public prosecutors don't have to work very hard to get a conviction.

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    5. Re:Cross Contamination anyone? by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cross-contamination comes from high-speed counting devices in banks becoming contaminated. They then spread the cocaine to other bills as they're counted. This isn't anything new. I think I first heard about this at least 15 years ago.

      The article is about the contamination rate going up. The implication is drug use is up. The other possibility is the spreading mechanism is more efficient for whatever reason. (Different machines, less machines? Stickier cocaine?). Assuming drug usage is up without knowing if anything else has changed in this uncontrolled experiment is potentially very misleading.

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  10. I'm more worried by urdak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know about you, but the cocaine isn't the thing that worries me - I'm more worried about the fact that 90% of the bills I use have been up someone's nose!

  11. So guys... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see Plan Columbia has been a smashing success, just like all the other attempts at Prohibition 2.0: This Time Without Constitutional Justification.

    1. Re:So guys... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see Plan Columbia has been a smashing success, just like all the other attempts at Prohibition 2.0: This Time Without Constitutional Justification.

      That's not true. If I'm growing pot in my backyard for my own consumption it's clearly going to affect interstate commerce and is therefore subject to regulation by the Federal Government.

      I mean, think about it. If I'm growing it myself then I'm not buying it from someone else who got it across state lines. We also shouldn't forget the impact on interstate commerce that comes from the munchies. It's a safe assumption the ingredients in those Doritos and Big Macs had to cross one or more state lines at some point during production.

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  12. .006 micrograms? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These types of studies come out pretty often, usually with the same hysterical tone. When you start talking about stuff in such tiny amounts then just about any substance can be found. There's cocaine in the air in many places if you go as low as parts per billion. There's uranium in the water. There's the ash of dead people in your air. There's fly eggs in your soup. There's pesticides in your baby's bottle.

    If anything, this is more interesting in our ability to detect small amounts of things than a social statement.

    1. Re:.006 micrograms? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      And if you were in the elevator with me this morning, you got more than trace amounts of late night taco bell.

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    2. Re:.006 micrograms? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If anything, this is more interesting in our ability to detect small amounts of things than a social statement.

      Oh well I wouldn't be too sure that there aren't any social statements to be made. After all, they didn't detect cocaine in most Japanese money, so it's not like its the effect of some world-wide minuscule cocaine miasma, or at least its one that varies by location and thus presumably by quantity in the country.

      So what this tells me about our societies is that Japan is an untapped market! Oh man! I'm on the next flight to Tokyo via L.A. Though I guess I'll have to practice my balloon-swallowing first.

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    3. Re:.006 micrograms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your local statistician here, to point out your BS. You give you reason why 234 is a "horrible sample size". Sample size is a function of what kind of statistical power you want to be able to detect differences among strata, along with how wide your confidence intervals will be. With binomial random variables where the probability of success is far from .5 (e.g., this case, with p-hat = .95 in some cities), you don't need a very large sample size at all to accurately hone in on the true value. This is all contingent on a random sampling method, and that's where I'd be suspect. However, the results seem fairly consistent across time and place.

      I'm just trying to point that sometimes 30 is enough of a sample size, sometimes you need 1000, sometimes, 10,000, sometimes 1,000,000. IT IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON WHAT EFFECT YOU ARE TRYING TO MEASURE, AND HOW MUCH VARIANCE THERE IS AMONG EXPERIMENTAL UNITS. Blindly chiming SMALL SAMPLE SIZE will be very convincing to actual statisticians or scientists!

    4. Re:.006 micrograms? by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Funny

      It could just be that the Japanese are just more meticulous than Americans when laundering their money.

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  13. tested high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    From a global standpoint, both Canada and Brazil tested rather high...

    Hah!

  14. what denominations? by greywire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am curious what the break down is on the types of bills being used. Is there a preference for $20 or $100 bills? I always preferred the $100, partly for show, but also because they tended to be crisper..

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  15. Cocaine on bill != haddirect contact with coke by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bill's can get cocaine on them without ever having been directly in contact with cocaine. The most common way this occurs is if a bill has cocaine on it and then it goes in or out of some sort of feeder machine (such as that on an ATM), it can leave small amounts of coke residue that then rub off on other bills. Given that, part of the disparity may be due to different types of ATMs and similar technology. Similarly, it isn't implausible that the increase in the percentage of bills with cocaine on them (as reported in TFA) might be due to some set of subtle technological changes that make it easier for cocaine to spread from bill to bill.

  16. USA - try harder by yossarianuk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on - we want 100% from you.

  17. Stop trolling with numbers by noundi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Scientists have found that up to 90% of US paper money has some cocaine contamination, up from the 67% mark measured two years ago.

    The contamination "spreading" is solely due to clean bills getting in contact with contaminated bills. 90% of the US dollars have not been used to sniff cocaine. If 67% were contaminated two years ago it is only logical that in time the rest would be bound to become contaminated as well, even if cocaine had seized to exist completely.

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  18. Corrected headline by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Up to 90% of Scientists Studying Money Also Do Cocaine."

  19. Cocaine, ho-hum, what about radiologicals? by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are so many sources of cocaine and like substances in our society that it's no wonder it can be found everywhere (looking at currency is more sexy than say, doorknobs, and I'd imagine the same level of contamination), legal and otherwise. Benzocaine, for example, is a common numbing agent for oral use that is in the same chemical family. So is novacaine. They just don't have the popular cachet, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if the testing used could distinguished between them. I imagine if you tested currency for benzodiazepines (valium and the like) or SSRIs (Prozac and the like) or beta blockers or digitalis or any commonly prescribed drug, you'd find near 100% contamination as well. BFD. People use cocaine and other drugs both medically and recreationally. News at 11.

    I'd be much, much more interested to know how much of the currency showed evidence of, say, uranium or plutonium. Those are supposed to be scarce, really, really scarce.

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    1. Re:Cocaine, ho-hum, what about radiologicals? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I imagine if you tested currency for benzodiazepines (valium and the like) or SSRIs (Prozac and the like) or beta blockers or digitalis or any commonly prescribed drug, you'd find near 100% contamination as well.

      Why? Is Prozac routinely crushed up and snorted?

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  20. Snopes says... by sidb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Snopes says... true. Wow, that almost never happens--I had always assumed this was a myth. The Snopes article, BTW, is much more informative and detailed than the one linked in the Slashdot post.

    1. Re:Snopes says... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Snopes = exhaustively researched articles done by people who take the time to get it right as much as they possibly can, with no need to be "first to post" to get credit.

      BS. Snopes = getting ad money to sound authoritative, no more, no less.

      I've sent two corrections to Snopes. The first was in a myth about taking caffeine and aspirin. They had reported that there was nothing about the combination that would be stronger than both taken individually. I sent links to published studies demonstrating the synergistic effect of the combo, and links to common products (eg Excedrin) that pair them. Snopes updated the article to reflect the new information.

      The second was regarding Marilyn Monroe having six toes. Now, I see no reason to believe that she did. However, some of their supporting "evidence" was that Monroe would've had a long recovery and a lasting limp. My wife, a podiatric surgeon, told them that this was completely untrue, and that she's amputated many toes over the years without long-term adverse affects to the patients. Snopes replied that she was wrong and that I was crazy for thinking Marilyn had 6 toes.

      So I personally know of one article that presents completely, 100% wrong evidence as proof, and another that had completely ignored evidence that would have weakened their claim. How many other corrections have been ignored or rejected?

      Snopes is not exhaustively researched, not by a long shot. Read the site for entertainment or as a starting point for further research, but don't take their word for anything.

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  21. Effect On Inflation by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

    The extra street value of cocaine being added to the dollar should make it stronger against other currencies.

  22. Drugs by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Drugs are a CASH business. It is one of the last CASH ONLY businesses out there. Most other people are taking Checks, Visa, and Debit Cards as primary sources of transactions, leaving Cash a fourth level barely used.

    I would not suprise me to see this trend go upwards, and eventually some idiot politician will suggest that we get rid of cash. Which will be followed up by some Christian suggesting that is the Mark of the Beast ....

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    1. Re:Drugs by bmajik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My household has largely reverted back to cash-only for our commerce. It is easier to stick to a reasonable budget, the terms of a cash transaction are perfectly clear -- there are no double-jeopardy fee problems ["they stopped the check, then you were overdrawn. You lose"], and with the recent tightening on credit card companies, some of those companies are going to go after customers like me -- who _never_ carried a balance -- with annual fees or shorter repayment periods or day-0 interest assessment or other silly tricks. Not interested.

      But the #1 reason to revert to cash is that it is relatively anonymous -- or rather, it is moreso than any other face to face currency exchange we can easily perform. I think it will become increasingly important that Americans can conduct basic commerce in a way that is difficult to tie back to individuals. The cost to gather, store, and analyze data will approach zero, as will the public's ability to prevent the government from doing so and doing so for questionable reasons. Thus, not contributing data is the most workable mitigation.

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  23. Politicians by Kjella · · Score: 2, Funny

    it's no surprise that the city with the highest level was Washington DC, where up to 95% of bills gathered there tested positive.

    I always suspected the politicians were on crack, I guess now we have proof...

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  24. Ass Pennies by hduff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude! Dont' sniff it! Don't forget "ass pennies". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ass_pennies#Ass_Pennies "I've been sticking $30 in pennies up my ass for the past 11 years! That's 3,000 pennies a day; 21,000 pennies a week; 1,092,000 pennies a year! To date that's 12,012,000 pennies, 8 times the population of Nebraska. Those pennies were in my ass! You think you're better than me? Oh, you're not better than me. You handle my ass pennies every day. You pick up my ass pennies for good luck. You throw my ass pennies in fountains and make wishes on them. You give my ass pennies to your little daughter to buy gumballs with. You handle my ass pennies every day! All of you! You all handle my ass pennies! Oh, I laugh at you before you can laugh at me. Because your pennies have been in my ass. You hear me? Your pennies have been in my ass!"

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  25. Re:Obviously. by jamstar7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody seriously believes that 90% of money has gone through drug trafficker's hands and pockets.

    except your local 'law & order' politician looking to score votes in the upcoming election. And here in the States, there's always an upcoming election...

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  26. Re:Legalize Cannabis, not Cocaine! by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cocaine is NOT a harmless drug, it kills people and robs them of a liveliehood at a far greater rate than almost any other drug. It is insanely addictive and knowing a couple of friends who have struggled with it I can only hope for your own sake you never try it.

    Sorry, but I could say the exact same thing about liquor. Ever been to an AA meeting? Alcohol ruins more lives than any other drug in the USA. And yet it's legal.

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  27. Re:Legalize Cannabis, not Cocaine! by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, drug prohibition is bad no matter which drug you choose. Even heroin, as bad as it is, isn't ha;f as bad as the prohibition that tries to ban it.

    It all based on the idea that if you make people desperate enough, they will quit. Not entirely incorrect, some recent research shows that people quit drugs almost entirely for practical reasons.

    What they ignore is the problems caused by making people desperate are worst than the original addiction. Swiss studies have shown that simply providing heroin at a price similar to what it would be on the open market decreased the amount of income that the study subjects took in through other illegal activities by 90%, in a few weeks.

    Its been found they can hold down jobs (much like many alcoholics do), they can afford their habbit, afford food, etc.

    Simply put, prohibition is a broken model from the very start. Cannabis is simply the largest (more cannabis smokers in the US than all other illegal drug users combined), and the one with the most ridiculous lies spread about it.

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  28. + Addicts = + Atrocities in LatinAmerica by ronaldmigahil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thanks to the money of millons of addicts, LatinAmerica is a BIG WAR ZONE, where thousands of innocent people die, get wounded, forced to migrate, hunger, etc . When a addict buys their drugs are they aware of the atrocities that their money is creating in LatinAmerica?

  29. Good thing we had that "War on Drugs" by eagee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd just like to say that the "War on Drugs" has been a great use of our taxpayer dollars. Very effective. Good thing we're spending so much money keeping people in prison instead of paying for medical care. Yay us.

  30. Re:I understand that in London by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus every flat surface in any bar or nightclub restroom will test positive for either Cocaine or WD40 & Vaseline :)

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  31. Re:Sniffer dogs... by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The threshold for dogs to identify a scent can be as low as a few molecules. (I forget what it is for cocaine, but it's a very small number.) You gotta wonder how much "drug money" was just some poor slob carrying his life's savings, either through distrust of the banks (which is still common with foreigners) or being on his way to purchase something with cash.

    Example: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/12/1296.asp

    Given that large cash transactions are now considered "probable cause", add in the positive from the drug-sniffing dog, and it may not matter how innocent you are.

    Related thought: people who handle money all day long, like cashiers, may be exposed to enough cocaine that they could conceiveably test positive, or at least dog-sniff positive.

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  32. a dog "hit" by zogger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And any handler can claim his dog "hit" on something as well, and use that as probable cause to confiscate the loot. And if someone was to loudly protest the confiscation of their money at some "random courtesy checkpoint", the cops can just shoot you and claim you made a "threatening furtive gesture" or were "interfering" or "resisting some lawful order" or anything else in cop CYA speak they dream up.

      The point being made was, in some areas the cops use this "dog drug hit" BS as an excuse to outright rob people and get away with it or for intimidation to get people to confess to something else or whatever. They even go so far as to terrorize school kids with these dogs inside the schools. It's a con more than anything else. And it can be even worse than that for some people with phony dog-police type work

    For legitimate rescue, I think dogs are great, useful, for most anything else as it intersects police work...starts to get wonky quickly.

        Of course I am also in favor of ending the retarded prohibition laws, because they just cause more harm than good. If a 200 dollar day coke or smack or whatever habit was legal, it might cost all of two bucks, and I don't think there'd be much in the way of crime associated with it like it is today. It would still be technically "bad" IMO, the habit and what it does to people, but we as a society would get rid of a lot of the vast collateral damage associated with it being illegal.

  33. it goes both ways by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what "essence of G-string" levels respective countries have on their smallest denominational bills?

    Thanks, now I will be wondering what "Essence of stripper schlong" my 1's have...shudder

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  34. Re:Cocaine on bill != haddirect contact with coke by Mishotaki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man i wanna be a ATM maintenance guy! you get free cocaine as a bonus while working!

  35. Bail Out Money by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In order to achieve this level on contamination, one needs to look to the source. Clearly this explains where all the bank bailout money went.... coke parties for all the bankers.

    1. Re:Bail Out Money by natehoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I had mod points, it would be a hard choice how to moderate your post.

      "Funny", no, it's really not. True things can't be funny.

      "Insightful" is probably closest.

      What I really want is "True, but depressing."

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  36. This fact was used frequently in the 1980s by stiggs · · Score: 2, Informative

    By prosecutors in cocaine cases, until the first case in which a defense lawyer requested and got, with the judge's permission, the cash out of the prosecutor's wallet, sent it off for testing for cocaine, and came back with a 100% positive test for cocaine traces on every bill. How many people were wrongly convicted with the help of the prosecutor's trick of pointing out "traces of cocaine" on the money in evidence, was exposed?

  37. Old copypasta is old! by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Haven't we already known this for decades now? Is it a slow news Monday or something?

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  38. Re:I understand that in London by FauxReal · · Score: 5, Informative

    If anyone is wondering about the WD40 & Vaseline, it's cause some nightclubs will put a thin layer on the toilet tank to discourage cocaine use. (It's hard to tell it's there at a glance and if you're gonna do coke, you've probably been drinking too.) If you try to scrape out lines on a coat of Vaseline, you'll end up with a greasy paste.