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Is Typing Ruining Your Ability To Spell?

NSN A392-99-964-5927 writes "My handwriting abilities have deteriorated over the years. Putting a real pen to paper, I get frustrated over how to spell correctly, as I am so accustomed to using a keyboard and knowing where the letters are. Having spoken to a few friends, I've found that this has become apparent to them, too. I've noticed that my grammar is also affected; maybe this is because I spent too much time on IRC and lowered my standards. Hand-written words are now becoming obsolete. There is often no need to think about writing anymore, or about how something is spelled. Are other Slashdotters having the same problem? (I'm used to Telex machines, which should give you an indication of how old I am.)"

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  1. I don't know, but... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...using a spelling-correcting keyboard has made my typing skills deteriorate noticeably. It's especially noticeable when I'm trying to use vi.

    1. Re:I don't know, but... by VoyagerRadio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why I've always maintained correct/proper capitalization and grammar and compete sentences, even in IMs and IRC chats. In fact, it actually slows me down when I have to purposely corrupt a text message in order to reduce its size (such as on Twitter or SMS).

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    2. Re:I don't know, but... by larien · · Score: 4, Informative
      Working in a large business where writing professional emails helps as well; I purposely try to use proper capitilisation and punctuation as required.

      That said, I rarely write anything these days and it's often just a scrawl when I do. My writing was never up to much anyway, without practice it's deteriorated.

    3. Re:I don't know, but... by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

      capitalization is especially important - consider the sentence:

      i helped my uncle jack off a horse

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    4. Re:I don't know, but... by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe he's using one of those hackable Mac keyboard with all the spare storage and processing?

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    5. Re:I don't know, but... by gnick · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm a serial comma fanatic:
      To my parents, Anne Rand and God.

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    6. Re:I don't know, but... by TheEldest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The OP didn't say he relies on spellcheck, but that his fingers know how to spell when his head doesn't.

      I've got the same problem. Words like receive are no problem when I'm typing, but if I put pen to paper, I need to stop and think. When many people type, they think the word, not the letter. Their hands put the words from thought to type with no intermediate thought needed.

      I spell by muscle memory, not thought. I'm sure the same works for people who write all the time. The pen just makes the words they need.

      So how about you get off your high horse, read what the OP actually said instead of what you thought he said, and fuck off.

    7. Re:I don't know, but... by nortcele · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen. Preach it! I also don't participate in the 'leetspeak'. I backspace to correct spellings as I notice them and attempt to use full length words with correct grammar. If one can type even a reasonable speed, it takes very little extra effort. (At the same time it can also indicate to others you probably don't have baggy pants showing your underwear, untied sneakers, spray can in one hand, and your hat on backwards.) It's just my personal preference, and messages that use good grammar tend to get a mental +1 from me. Your messages (email, IM, IRC, etc) are the "visual" by which others perceive you, so it can only be a help to yourself to always put the best foot forward.

    8. Re:I don't know, but... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative
      One other thing...

      I even have difficulty signing my name sometimes, but that's mostly because cursive is my most unpracticed form.

      You obviously don't sign your name that much then.

      My signature used to look like a vaguely "signaturey" version of my handwriting. At some stage- I think it was around 10 years ago when I had to sign things a lot as part of my job- it became detached from my handwriting and got more and more stylised.

      Nowadays it's bordering on a meaningless squiggle; only the first letter is remotely legible. I can still see parts of it, but that's mainly because I know my own name and know what it's meant to be.

      Its only *real* value- and the only intended one!- is that it looks like my other meaningless signature squiggles. :)

      But back to the point- my signature has very little to do with my (not bad) handwriting these days. (^_^)

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    9. Re:I don't know, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      When programming in lisp (a programming language (something that can be compiled into machine code) where syntax (rules for writing (typing) commands) is based (fundamental idea) on parentheses ( ( ( left parenthesis) and ) ( right parenthesis) ) ) one can fall into the habit of using ( and ) (parentheses) in excess (too much (surplus)), though this is another problem (the issue discussed (may be it (the use of parentheses in excess) should not be mentioned here(the discussion of spelling).

    10. Re:I don't know, but... by andqso · · Score: 3, Funny

      Doesn't always help. Stolen from Wikipedia: "Highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."

    11. Re:I don't know, but... by James+McP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Typing is muscle memory just like playing music. Guitarists don't consciously think "E-G-A-E-G-B/A-E-G-E-E-G" any more than a typist thinks "s-m-o-k-e- -o-n- -t-h-e- -w-a-t-e-r". (Well, bassists might but we're known to be pretty dense.)

      I actually had trouble typing the hyphenated parts as my hands initially would spell out the whole words.

      Have you never had a case where your fingers know your password but you don't? Happens to me all the time.

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  2. No, but by warrax_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's ruining my ability to finish a

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  3. Not just spelling ... by nervepack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... penmanship is no longer a scholastic requirement. Long live printing!

  4. Well, that and the age and alchohol by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank god for spill check.

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  5. I don't think it has been a problem. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I usually try to stick to full sentences when typing(though my abuse of commas and parenthetical comments is egregious) so I don't think that it has done my grammar much harm.

    Spelling, also, seems to be ok. Because I can't quite trust automatic spell checks, I still find that making spelling mistakes carries a small cost in time and annoyance. However, my spelling mistakes do annoy me a great deal more when I am writing; because I don't have an easy way to look up corrected spellings and corrections tend to be messy.

    As for "writing" more broadly, I've not found any reason to think that computers reduce the need for that. Until we come up with an interface that allows me to dump mental state directly to the machine, and shove that around, writing will still be the only real option for expressing complex ideas in a reasonably precise and concise manner.

    1. Re:I don't think it has been a problem. by Tacvek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Abuse of parenthetical comments? Like having nested parenthetical comments that make reading the original difficult? I do that too.

      The recommended solution is the use of footnotes[1], since somebody can jump down to them, read them, then jump back up and easily reread the whole sentence ignoring them[2].

      [1] Like this.
      [2] Further footnotes allow nesting without any difficulties[3] such as avoiding parentheses mismatch.
      [3] That said, nested footnotes should be use sparingly[4], as with too many layers it can be hard to reverse back up the stack.
      [4] And recursive footnotes should never be used[4].
      [5] Unreferenced footnotes are also something to avoid.

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    2. Re:I don't think it has been a problem. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      [4] And recursive footnotes should never be used[4].

      At least it's a tail-recursive footnote[1], so a good brain will just infinite loop, rather than overflowing the stack.

      [1] Unlike a non-tail-recursive footnote[1] would look like this one.

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    3. Re:I don't think it has been a problem. by pavon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unreferenced footnotes aren't the worst[6] thing you could do.

  6. No by GroundBounce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Typing has definitely reduced my ability to hand write quickly and legibly, but not my ability to spell. I think spelling has been affected more by the fact that I write much less now than a long time ago.

  7. I find my spelling has actually improved over time by Coolwave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have always been a terrible speller it was always my least favorite part of school because it was a matter more about rote memorization and nothing to do with logic. I find the instant feed back loop from modern spell checkers, the ones that underline mistakes once I complete a word, help me to learn the correct spelling.

    My problem is even now that my spelling is better I still have no confidence in my ability to spell when I don't have that safety net.

  8. I'm getting better. by tthomas48 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My IM client (pidgin) underlines misspelled words in red, as does firefox, so I've found that my spelling has actually been getting better. I tend to actually learn the correct spelling over time.

  9. Your Jealous by Maltheus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think you're problem is their are people out they're who got better grammer then ewe and your just jealous.

  10. It's not the typing by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a lot of things, but not typing. Of course, tyling produces typoos, but that's not a matter of spelling, it's a matter of hitting the worng keys. A little proofreading fixes that.

    Spill chuckers oar bad four spilling. Eye wish pee pull wood stoop ewe sing them.

    Personally, when I see someone using the wrong homonym, like "the ball is in there court", it has a negative effect on my opinion of their intelligence. The same goes for the misuse of apostrophes; WHY do people think you need an apostrophe for a plural? Sometimes I'll reply with a link to the Bob the Angry Flower cartoon "Bob's quick giude to the apostrophe, you idiots".

    Maybe it's being innundated by posts from sub-adults who are texting in class instead of paying attention to the teacher.

    2 L8, brb

    1. Re:It's not the typing by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I see something like "walla!" I think it's funny. That is: I think the person put it in there knowing it was only a vague approximation of the original. But when I see a there/they're/their substitution, or 'where' for 'were', I think the person doesn't know the difference. That tarnishes the person's credibility in my mind. That's probably not warranted: there are plenty of bright people who make spelling and grammar errors. I'm probably going off an obsolete mindset, that most people who are writing in a public space are paid to do it well, and I haven't accommodated to a world in which everyone who has an opinion can present it globally. (Emily Dickinson: "There are a lot of people reading and writing who would be better employed keeping sheep.") I base my bias on my judgment of the mistake's motivation: clever, or stupid? 'Walla' so off-base it's probably clever. Homonym substitution, probably stupid. While I understand that carelessness might let things through, at least for my own part I don't make homonym substitution errors in the first place, so (all elitist and snotty-like) I eye people who do make those mistakes warily.

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  11. Spelling? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My handwriting has gone to crap, but what does that have to do with spelling? If anything, I would think that spelling would be more likely to improve, thanks to the slower pace of writing by hand. I pay more attention to what I am writing when I have to take the time to write it out by hand.

    If the quality of your writing is going down, I suspect that has to do with the quality of the writing you are consuming.

  12. Is this a confession? by joocemann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the point of this confession or whatever it seems to be? Do you want my attention? Do you want me to agree with you? I don't... I've been typing and using the interwebz for about 14 years now with plenty of IRC, 1337 speak, and degenerate behavior --- and in all that I have maintained my cognitive capacity to recognize the difference between the variants and the proper.

    I think your problem (if you feel there is any, such as an employer wondering why you write like a 12 year old), probably stems from the lack of regard for your variance as 'variance', and embracing that way too often, if not completely, as a way of life.

    In excess, nearly anything can be problematic. Maintain a balance between work and play; in this case having a deliberate regard for maintaining both your interwebz-bs-style and your proper-for-work-and-standards style.

    What I mean is... you need to actually give a shit about what you're doing. Degenerate yourself for fun, but not for habit.

  13. Re:I find my spelling has actually improved over t by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your problem isn't that it's rote memorization -- I'm terrible at anything requiring rote memorization. Your problem (and a lot of other peoples') is you don't read enough books. I urge you and everyone else to acquaint yourselves with you local public library, or if you're in college, its library.

    Readaholics never have trouble with spelling, unless all they read is the internet.

  14. FingerWorks TouchStream by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a multitouch keyboard that does dynamic spelling correction based on what you've already typed, what you type next (it issues backspaces to correct prior keystrokes), and the fractional location of a finger-tap within or between key areas. It's slick beyond words. Apple bought the tech, and is ever-so-slowly dribbling it out in their iPhone/iPod Touch and trackpads.

    1. Re:FingerWorks TouchStream by Bandman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure I would stab that keyboard in short order. Unless it knows unix commands, of course.

    2. Re:FingerWorks TouchStream by sharperguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      u r untitled to ur opinum but my spellin is a gd as evr!!!!1

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