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NASA Probe Blasts 461 Gigabytes of Moon Data Daily

coondoggie writes "On its current space scouting mission, NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is using a pumped up communications device to deliver 461 gigabytes of data and images per day, at a rate of up to 100 Mbps. As the first high data rate K-band transmitter to fly on a NASA spacecraft, the 13-inch-long tube, called a Traveling Wave Tube Amplifier, is making it possible for NASA scientists to receive massive amounts of images and data about the moon's surface and environment. The amplifier was built by L-3 Communications Electron Technologies in conjunction with NASA's Glenn Research Center. The device uses electrodes in a vacuum tube to amplify microwave signals to high power. It's ideal for sending large amounts of data over a long distance because it provides more power and more efficiency than its alternative, the transistor amplifier, NASA stated." It kills me that the moon has better bandwidth than my house.

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  1. Insane by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their Cingular bill is going to suck.

    1. Re:Insane by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was my slogan for a while, too. Pity my liver couldn't take the strain.

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    2. Re:Insane by CecilPL · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually 10base is 10Mbps, or 1.25 MB/s.

      5.46MB/s is close to half of a 100BaseT.

    3. Re:Insane by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did anyone notice that it's all based on vacuum tubes?

      My question is why you need a vacuum tube in a vacuum? Just put the parts out in open space, save a bit of weight, no problem with the tube getting deposits on it over time, or thermal expansion and contraction stressing the tube, etc.

  2. Sure, it can blast huge amounts of data by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    But can it learn to love?

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    1. Re:Sure, it can blast huge amounts of data by shadowblaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure it can, after all it's got a 13 inch "tube".

  3. Don't feel bad, CmdrTaco by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure you can still beat the moon in latency.

    1. Re:Don't feel bad, CmdrTaco by fastest+fascist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, I'm almost sure he could get a 100 Mbps link to his house if he was willing to pay what NASA is paying for theirs. At least I don't think it would be much more expensive.

  4. This is not exactly a new device... by Manuka · · Score: 5, Informative

    Traveling Wave Tubes have been a mainstay of microwave communications and radar systems for the better part of a century. They're a very efficient way of amplifying microwave signals to the very high power levels needed to cross long distances.

    1. Re:This is not exactly a new device... by aicrules · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The article admits that the Traveling Wave Tubes are not new, but it also lists several points that make this implementation better and very much noteworthy compared to its predecessors. You seem to have an interest in/knowledge of these communication devices, so I would say that the article is actually a worthwhile read for you.

    2. Re:This is not exactly a new device... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need an electron gun and some electron optics to make the beam,

      Check, old 19" TV tube... all the parts are there.

      and then the section where the RF interacts with the beam, either a helix or a series of coupled resonant cavities.

      Again, can be found in other surplus tech.

      but screw it, just buy one....

      http://cgi.ebay.com/NEC-LD7306A-B61-Travelling-Wave-Tube-TWT_W0QQitemZ200255211587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea0240843&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

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    3. Re:This is not exactly a new device... by MiniMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      That is the most eloquent "RTFA" I've ever seen...

    4. Re:This is not exactly a new device... by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the point is that before you read it, did you know there was a TWT orbiting the moon withh 100Mbps bandwidth transferring over 400GB of data a day? if not, then you learned something new.

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  5. Vacuum Tube? by dunelin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody else think it's funny that in this case, a vacuum tube is a step up from a transistor?

    1. Re:Vacuum Tube? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you need to make serious power, tubes are still the way to go. Transistors have a significant reliability benefit.

      Also, for 99% of applications, transistors are better. For the other 1%, you have very application-specific tube designs such as TWTs and magnetrons, which rearrange the tubes in such a manner as to negate its usual disadvantage (large size USUALLY translates to nasty frequency limits - TWTs and magnetrons are exceptions that use various Neat Tricks to allow microwave operation from a large device.)

      BTW, one of the other common microwave tubes (magnetrons), while it is a "niche" device, it is a VERY widely deployed niche - basically all microwave ovens use magnetron tubes.

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  6. Vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did they even bother to seal the tube, or are they using the vacuum of space?

  7. Traveling Wave Tube Amplifier? by Spazholio · · Score: 5, Funny

    You just KNOW that the original name for the device was "Traveling Wave Amplified Tube" until some NASA jackass noticed the acronym and ruined it for everyone.

  8. Re:Bandwidth, sure, but the Ping? by dissy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or would you like your internet connection to be served by a SUV carrying hard drives?

    Never underestimate the bandwidth of a fedex truck packed with 250 lbs of hard disks!

    Depending on the file size of what you would be downloading and with what technology, overnight shipping might STILL be better latency too!

  9. I hope Nasa has the right ISP by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Funny

    That much data and Comcast would throttle it no matter what the scientists said. If AT&T had it going through their "unlimited" 3G connection, NASA would be hosed and we would be increasing the national debt by trillions.

    One last thing, I m wondering if the **AA doesn't want access to the data stream to make sure it isn't a bittorrent containing their precious copyrighted work. After all, we all know there is no legitimate use for that much bandwidth.

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  10. Re:Don't try this in Space by wbren · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tomorrow's headline: "RIAA Lobbies Congress to Shut Down NASA"

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  11. Re:Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Vacuum tubes have always had higher frequency limits than transistors, since WWII in fact. Take a look at THz radiation sources, all tubes. No tranny is going to touch that for a while. And then tubes will have gotten better too.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_wave_oscillator
    Tubes just have more geometric freedoms to create bizarre fields and strange structures to do whatever you need.

  12. Re:Spam by ovu · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have never before heard a serious conversation pitting the respective benefits of trannys vs. tubes in this context...

  13. Re:Don't try this in Space by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and asks for astronomical damages to be paid?

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  14. if not, the tube would be ruined before launch by swschrad · · Score: 4, Informative

    curious thing about tubes, they don't become useful until they're sealed in vacuum, and boiled out in a high RF magnetic field to take impurities off the elements. and then you have to flash the last of the gases off by igniting a getter inside the envelope.

    that provides a higher vacuum on earth, inside the tube, than you can ever develop in space. and the electrons can do their work, instead of hitting stuff and just making a useless glow.

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