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The Myth of the Isolated Kernel Hacker

Ant writes "The Linux Foundation's report (PDF) on who writes Linux — "... Linux isn't written by lonely nerds hiding out in their parents' basements. It's written by people working for major companies — many of them businesses that you probably don't associate with Linux. To be exact, while 18.2% of Linux is written by people who aren't working for a company, and 7.6% is created by programmers who don't give a company affiliation, everything else is written by someone who's getting paid to create Linux. From top to bottom, of the companies that have contributed more than 1% of the current Linux kernel, the list looks like this: ..."

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  1. The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by ExE122 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Captain Benjamin Willard was not a myth!

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    1. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Is that you Marty? Did you just come forward in time using Doc Brown's latest time machine?

      What's the weather like back in 1998?

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    2. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by Desler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      YHBT. HAND.

    3. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so have u

    4. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Go to Chinatown, find Murtz, and .. you know.

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    5. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what's more sad. Someone posting the same funny yet unoriginal text that has been used here for years to inflame Linux dweebs, or the fact you were stupid enough to respond to it. Judging by your homepage, I'll go with the latter.

    6. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Do Not Feed The Troll!

      Man...

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    7. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      He's a captain, not a colonel.

    8. Re:The Myth of the Isolated Colenel Hacker by V!NCENT · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The last thing I want is to constantly defrag my system, scan for mallware and have my so called awesome GUI called explorer crash every now and then because of the failed driver model and then not being able to ctrl+alt+backspace and restart it again. FUCK YOU!!!! Linux is 100 times better than Windows in every aspect! You know it and your trolling will have zero effect on the truth and the FLOSS movement. Get ready to be raped as a programmer in a year or 5 or so when Linux will crush the competition on the desktop, since it is already more ready for the desktop then the entire software industry out there, including Apple. Nothing beats the foundation of KDE 4.3 and that makes Linux actually very much ahead of the 'competition', fucktard.

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  2. shocking by alen · · Score: 4, Funny

    and i thought IBM and Red Hat just took the code and didn't give their changes back to everyone else

    1. Re:shocking by PeterBrett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, that was Canonical. Greg K-H publicly and controversially called them out about it at a kernel developer conference a while back, but I can't find a link right now.

    2. Re:shocking by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    3. Re:shocking by asdir · · Score: 1

      Interesting indeed: Why does Canonical not show up on the lists of contributing firms?

    4. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they don't contribute to the linux kernel ?
      they just produce a distribution, and ship the kernel with it, but I doubt they contribute to the kernel itself at all.

    5. Re:shocking by Desler · · Score: 1

      Because Canonical doesn't pay anyone to hack on the kernel? Are they required to?

    6. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they never send their patches upstream.

    7. Re:shocking by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The real news here is that, since isolated kernel hackers are apparently a myth, for safety reasons they should all be grounded*. That certainly explains why they spend all their time in their parents' basements.

      * We wouldn't want them shocking anyone.

    8. Re:shocking by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      @ 22:30 in the video Greg speaks about who is funding the work, and @ 23:20 he says Canonical is 300 in funding/contributing to the kernel, then goes on to say Canonical does not give back to the community, i think he is right, other than free *ubuntu ISOs i dont i know of any source code anywhere that comes from them...

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    9. Re:shocking by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      maybe because they only dabble in userland sruff, and let the Debian devs do all the kernel work?

    10. Re:shocking by bfields · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I doubt they contribute to the kernel itself at all."

      They do, see below--just not as much as some others.

      $ git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
      $ cd linux-2.6
      $ git shortlog --author="@canonical.com" --author="@ubuntu.com"  --since="6 months ago"
      Andy Whitcroft (12):
            checkpatch: make in_atomic ok in the core
            checkpatch: do not warn about -p0 patches when checking files
            checkpatch: correctly handle type spacing in the face of modifiers
            checkpatch: pointer type star may have modifiers following
            checkpatch: a modifier is not an identifier at the end of a type
            checkpatch: extend attribute testing to all modifiers
            checkpatch: add __ref as a sparse modifier
            checkpatch: version 0.28
            Input: synaptics - ensure we reset the device on resume
            suspend: switch the Asus Pundit P1-AH2 to old ACPI sleep ordering
            mmc: add MODALIAS linkage for MMC/SD devices
            acer-wmi: Cleanup the failure cleanup handling

      Colin Watson (1):
            parisc: expose 32/64-bit capabilities in cpuinfo

      Leann Ogasawara (1):
            x86: add Dell XPS710 reboot quirk

      Luke Yelavich (1):
            ALSA: hda - add another MacBook Pro 3,1 SSID

      Scott James Remnant (13):
            [SCSI] ch: Add scsi type modalias
            sbus: Auto-load openprom module when device opened.
            netfilter: auto-load ip6_queue module when socket opened
            netfilter: auto-load ip_queue module when socket opened
            [MTD] Auto-load mtdchar module when device opened.
            [MTD] Auto-load nftl module when device opened.
            V4L/DVB (10947): Auto-load videodev module when device opened.
            floppy: provide a PNP device table in the module.
            applicom: Auto-load applicom module when device opened.
            cyclades: Auto-load cyclades module when device opened.
            specialix: Auto-load specialix module when device opened.
            usb: Auto-load cdc_acm module when device opened.
            riscom8: Auto-load riscom8 module when device opened.

    11. Re:shocking by maxume · · Score: 1

      They are responsible for Bazaar, and Launchpad:

      https://launchpad.net/

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    12. Re:shocking by timeOday · · Score: 1

      and i thought IBM and Red Hat just took the code and didn't give their changes back to everyone else

      No, you're thinking of BSD (ducks)

    13. Re:shocking by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't they have a lot to do with upstart too?

      I mean that has to count for something as others are starting to use it.

      And I would think pulling everything together into a cohesive package has some value too, but maybe it doesn't.

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    14. Re:shocking by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      They do contribute quite a bit of userland upstream; just based on bug reports I've filed. I don't see why it's their obligation to work on the kernel, rather than just focusing on what they do well.

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    15. Re:shocking by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 1

      Many Ubuntu developers are also Debian developers. It wouldn't surprise me if many Ubuntu developers are just contributing through their Debian accounts.

    16. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks bad- and that is about it. In practice I'm sure they are contributing significantly. Even if it is only to Ubuntu- they are still giving you a product without any costs associated with it and free code to boot.

    17. Re:shocking by bfields · · Score: 2, Informative

      $ git shortlog -s --since="6 months ago" --author="@debian.org"
                2 Andres Salomon
                2 Bastian Blank
              65 Moritz Muehlenhoff
                1 Ron Lee
                1 dann frazier

      (And googling around suggests Mortiz Muehlenoff probably isn't a canonical employee.) Sure, people could also be using personal addresses, etc., though note the addresses come from git metadata, not necessarily "From:" addresses. (So, e.g., in my case, I use an email address from some personal domain on all my mail, but it's so easy to use my work address on git metadata (and forward it to my regular address so mail to it still gets through), that I can't see why I shouldn't do that minimum to give some credit to the employer that has me working on this stuff.)

      Also, the same since-6-months search for @redhat.com gets over 1400 commits....

      I like debian and ubuntu (I'm posting this from a ubuntu machine), but I think the general impression that they're not one of the larger kernel contributors is correct.

    18. Re:shocking by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Amen. Canonical is the LAST bunch of crackmonkeys I'd want working on the kernel.

      That said, apparently crackmonkeys are great at userland stuff.

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    19. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard daemons quacking?

  3. the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's the list: 1. Red Hat: 12.3% 2. IBM: 7.6% 3. Novell: 7.6% 4. Intel: 5.3% 5. Independent consultant: 2.5% 6. Oracle: 2.4% 7. Linux Foundation: 1.6% 8. SGI 1.6% 9. Parallels 1.3% 10. Renesas Technology: 1.3% 11. Academia: 1.2% 12. Fujitsu: 1.1% 13. MontaVista: 1.1% 14. MIPS Technologies: 1.1% 15. Analog Devices: 1.0% 16. HP: 1.0%

    1. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Skrynesaver · · Score: 1

      Which puts Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz in 7th place with 1.85 of the changes between Linux 2.6.12 and Linux 2.6.30. I always knew students had way too much spare time ;)

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    2. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by millwall · · Score: 5, Informative

      At least attempt to format the list, mate:

            1. Red Hat: 12.3%
            2. IBM: 7.6%
            3. Novell: 7.6%
            4. Intel: 5.3%
            5. Independent consultant: 2.5%
            6. Oracle: 2.4%
            7. Linux Foundation: 1.6%
            8. SGI 1.6%
            9. Parallels 1.3%
          10. Renesas Technology: 1.3%
          11. Academia: 1.2%
          12. Fujitsu: 1.1%
          13. MontaVista: 1.1%
          14. MIPS Technologies: 1.1%
          15. Analog Devices: 1.0%
          16. HP: 1.0%

    3. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

      0% SCO

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    4. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      How are these companies "businesses that you probably don't associate with Linux?" I've heard of at least the top 8, and they are all pro-Linux companies as far as I know.

      If Microsoft was high on the list, I'd be surprised, or even Apple. IBM? Novell? Not so much.

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    5. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by johannesg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So where are Microsoft and SCO? Both have contributed so much knowledge (in the form of patents) and code, yet they remain completely uncredited. I'm deeply disappointed.

      (guidelines for modders: this is supposed to be funny. It is not really that funny, so I'd aim for +2 funny or possibly +3 insightful if you want to give me some karma as well. I'll promise to do better next time when aiming for a funny)

    6. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by asdir · · Score: 2, Informative

      Further down in the article they write about some code contributed by Volkswagen and some GPS-company.
      In other words: RTFA

    7. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Funny

      How are these companies "businesses that you probably don't associate with Linux?" I've heard of at least the top 8, and they are all pro-Linux companies as far as I know.

      Can you give me some info on "Independent Consultant"? .. they sound like a company I want to work for

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    8. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Kotoku · · Score: 1

      Other than 13-15 the rest all are ones I already imagined.

      This is not surprising like the bad summary led me to believe.

    9. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by millwall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Should probably be a negative number of some magnitude. ...Last: SCO -31%

    10. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But since there methodology was garbage all that means is that someone using a Volkswagen email address wrote some code.

      It says nothing about whether it was done as part of their employment with Volkswagen, or whether it was done out of business hours while hiding in their parent's basement.

    11. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone else notice that this list only adds up to ~50%? So what happened to the other 50? Is it spread out among other corps at 1%? When you add in the 7.6%(no affiliation given) and 18.2%(independent) you still only get ~75%. And considering Red hat only comes in at 12.3%, I would say that the largest contributors are those that aren't affiliated with a company at 18.2%.
      Seems like the headline and summary is a bit misleading.

    12. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I'm a little surprised to see that Cannonical isn't on this list. Redhat, sure, but Cannonical has a huge marketshare.

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    13. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by abigor · · Score: 1

      3. Novell: 7.6%

      I'll bet this really annoys those boycottnovell kooks.

    14. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft was high on the list, I'd be surprised, or even Apple. IBM? Novell? Not so much.

      In a way, I can sort of see Microsoft at least tentatively embracing Linux if that was the way the wind was blowing. However, I would be truly gobsmacked if Apple did, given their corporate culture which is even less inclusive than Microsoft's. Not that I am knocking Macs: I am using a MacBook right now, since it's a convenient way of having a species of Unix under the bonnet.

      But ultimately, who cares who is paid to develop Linux? Everybody stands to gain, and it is no secret that outfits like IBM and Cray are using Linux code for their products. A few thousand corporate dollars is chump change to these large corporations given that they don't need to design a whole new OS from the ground up. Some great code might come from guys working in their mothers' basements, but there is lots of truly excellent code being produced by seasoned professionals under the aegis of big business.

      If their work is put into the public domain (as it is), who can object to that?

    15. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's nonsense. Where's SCO on that list? We all know SCO wrote a big part of the Linux kernel.

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    16. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by sofar · · Score: 1

      canonical doesn't contribute back at all - only debian does, and even debian is not a big kernel contributor

    17. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CowboyNeal: 0.0%

    18. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by sofar · · Score: 1

      the list is made yearly, I doubt SCO had time this year to write something. The top list comprises only kernels 2.6.24 and above. Microsoft's code has not been accepted yet and so also not counts.

    19. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Never let facts get in the way of their ramblings, especially Roy. He foams at the mouth but never actually got to the reason WHY any deal was developed. Novell tried to embrace interoperability and was told that they should join as the same deal was given to Red Hat, et al, and they thought "OK, sure, lets make this work and protect our customers."

      Novell contributes code to the same thing the boycottnovell mouth breathers use every day like KDE, Gnome, SAMBA and plenty of others, along with being part of the Open Invention Network using their patent portfolio as a shield. They are, at least for now, the good guys. The future may change. Also, while some may hate Mono, it opens the door to running .NET apps on Linux so its a win in a way.

    20. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Dunno... Fujitsu doing Linux coding was kinda new to me

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    21. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by bfields · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But since there methodology was garbage all that means is that someone using a Volkswagen email address wrote some code.

      I've been contacted personally by them to ask who my commits should be credited to. I'm not sure how many people they do that for--for people that have contributed just one or two patches, or have an obvious-looking address ("joe@bigcompany.com"), perhaps they just make the best guess they can.

      I'm not necessarily defending the process--I don't recall enough of the details about the methodology (I think they've written more elsewhere, but I can't find it right now)--but they are doing more than just scraping the git commits.

    22. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by digitalunity · · Score: 1

      Do you pay attention at all?

      The contribution from VW was regarding CAN bus support. Do you even know what CAN bus is?

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    23. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      If you know this area at all you also know that the authors are extremely well connected in the kernel development circles... They probably have first hand knowledge of hundreds of the most active developers and can tell which companies are working on which drivers without consulting git.

      As an example, I'm pretty sure Jonathan Corbet knows the Volkswagen deal pretty well, since he has written articles about the networking stuff they wrote (btw, as far as I can remember the VW guys didn't even use volkswagen addresses ;))

      So feel free to call their methodology garbage. I'm going to trust their assessment much more than something "more scientific" done by just about anyone else.

    24. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by gfiumara · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft was high on the list, I'd be surprised, or even Apple.

      To me, it wouldn't make since for Apple, a company selling a commercial OS based on FreeBSD, to pay people to work on a different kernel.

    25. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by digitalunity · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not in the public domain. For any patch of sufficient size, the copyrights still remain with each individual developer(I'm ignoring derivative works, as that's beyond the scope of a slashdot comment).

      So let's say IBM contributes a new driver. IBM keeps the copyright to the code, but gives license to use to all Linux users via the GPL. The key here is that because IBM still has that copyright, they are free to release that same driver as a closed source product as well, whereas Sun or Oracle couldn't take IBM's driver and sell a closed source version of it.

      Microsoft has relased a few open source applications but I'm 99% sure they were PR stunts and they have zero interest in being active contributors to Linux success. I wouldn't expect to see Apple anywhere on the list either considering OSX is primarily BSD based.

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    26. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you give me some info on "Independent Consultant"? .. they sound like a company I want to work for

      Trust me, dude, you do NOT want to work for them. You have to work tons of unpaid hours, and they make you find your customers/clients, and they rarely pay you in a timely manner, and they make you do your own taxes. It's absolutely shocking, in my mind, that no one has reported them to the Better Business Bureau... I've thought about reporting them myself, but I left on decent terms, and don't want to burn any bridges.

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    27. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by maxume · · Score: 1

      They spent a long time partnering with Sun on Sparc related stuff.

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    28. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      3. Novell: 7.6% I'll bet this really annoys those boycottnovell kooks.

      Not to mention all the other stuff they do with Gnome and a few other bits. Novell may have fallen for some Microsoft shtick, and to be honest, I think a lot of that was PR fluff that Big Steve pulled out of his backside at the most strategic point. But they are still pretty big contributors to the Linux platform as a whole. Good thing the open or death fanboys are so busy telling everybody how things should be done to actually bother the people who are getting things done.

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    29. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't know about Apple's contributions to webkit then huh? I agree that they give little to the community, but don't write them off completely.

    30. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Desler · · Score: 1

      LLVM and their contributions to Apache.

    31. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Desler · · Score: 1

      Yeah but Roy and his gang also bash the Gnome project so Novell's contributions to that probably doesn't matter to them. To Roy, Miguel and the Gnome project are worse than any evil ever imagined for *gasp* making free software that happens to do things that Roy doesn't approve of.

    32. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Sorry mate, they just got bought out by google. :(

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    33. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd have modded him down because and Anonymous Cowardon recommended him. Very Informative.

    34. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Abreu · · Score: 1

      But, if I understand correctly, the article refers to code contributed during the last year

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    35. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I couldn't believe that wasn't thrown out of the list. What makes it funnier, though, is that the #5 contributor could well be the very set of isolated kernel hackers that they claim don't exist.

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    36. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trying to classify their contributions, I was pointing out that they are active in high end hardware, so they have good reason to be contributing to Linux (perhaps I could have said more, but I figured the Sparc connection was enough).

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    37. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      Yeah but Roy and his gang also bash the Gnome project so Novell's contributions to that probably doesn't matter to them. To Roy, Miguel and the Gnome project are worse than any evil ever imagined for *gasp* making free software that happens to do things that Roy doesn't approve of.

      Point taken. But does anybody outside the Windows fanboys looking for a stereotype to wind up pay any attention to them?

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    38. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Do you pay attention at all?

      The contribution from VW was regarding CAN bus support. Do you even know what CAN bus is?

      Isn't that what the Libyans who shot Doc Brown were driving?

    39. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      SCO is in the "non-paid" part of the list. ~

    40. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I couldn't believe that wasn't thrown out of the list. What makes it funnier, though, is that the #5 contributor could well be the very set of isolated kernel hackers that they claim don't exist.

      Hint for the mathematically impaired: 18.2% plus some portion of 7.6% adds up to a great deal more than 0.0% ("don't exist"). Forget TFA, did you even read the summary?

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    41. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it's accurate, but your thinking appears to be a bit fuzzy. If you want to compare individual things, the largest single contributor is Red Hat at 12.3%. If you want to group things up, then yes, unaffiliated individuals constitute 18.2%, but corporate-affiliated individuals constitute 74.2%. What isn't a sensible comparison is grouping on one side but not the other. To say the largest contributor is unaffiliated individuals makes no more sense than saying the largest contributor is companies that contribute less than 1% (together they contribute about a quarter of the contributions, which is larger than 18.2%).

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    42. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a little surprised to see that Cannonical isn't on this list. Redhat, sure, but Cannonical has a huge marketshare.

      Your surprise demonstrates the often pooh-poohed danger of confusing a kernel with an operating system. It shouldn't be surprising that Canonical's contributions to the Linux kernel are, like Volkswagen's, less than 1%. Both companies use the Linux kernel in their products, but one produces an OS, the other produces a car, neither have much business mucking around in Linux much. Their focus is elsewhere...

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    43. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you have first hand account of the real novell intentions during the deal? Else what you wrote is an [informed] opinion.
      They would have protected linux users, theirs and others' by not entering that deal. They likely have enough patent to be a royal PITA to fight if MS decided to hammer on them.

      Also, name calling the boycott novel folks is not a sufficient way to prove them wrong. Time will prove either of you wrong.

    44. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      17. Microsoft?
      18. Satan himself

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    45. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Desler · · Score: 1

      But does anybody outside the Windows fanboys looking for a stereotype to wind up pay any attention to them?

      Unfortunately, yes. Roy and his ilk have a pretty strong following in some parts of the Linux and free software community at large.

    46. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Desler · · Score: 1

      They likely have enough patent to be a royal PITA to fight if MS decided to hammer on them.

      Which is why they have put their patents into the Open Innovation Network for precisely such purposes.

      Also, name calling the boycott novel folks is not a sufficient way to prove them wrong. Time will prove either of you wrong.

      I can't blame the GP really. Most of Roy's criticisms are nothing but blatant ad hominem against Novell, the Gnome project, and people like Miguel.

    47. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the fact that it was only 2.5% of the total kind of fits their thesis.

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    48. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Ponga · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what the Libyans who shot Doc Brown were driving?

      ... and THAT is why the venerable VW bus will always be known in my circle as a "Terrorist Van".

    49. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 1

      Apple also happens to own CUPS but it seems most people are unaware, as it should be.

      Look at, for example, the 10.5.8 source page, which includes sources for their own projects and others. It seems they are contributing quite a lot (especially compared to the other mainstream propriatary OS), it's just generally not things an end user is going to notice, or maybe even use.

    50. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't know about Apple's contributions to webkit then huh?

      Yes I do. I also know about CUPS, but the topic was the Linux kernel.

    51. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Whereas I'll instead trust what they wrote:

      Below we look more closely at the companies which are employing kernel developers. For each developer, corporate affiliation was obtained through one or more of: (1) the use of company email addresses, (2) sponsorship information included in the code they submit, or (3) simply asking the developers directly. The numbers presented are necessarily approximate; developers occasionally change employers, and they may do
      personal work out of the office. But they will be close enough to support a number of conclusions.

      So clearly using a company email address is enough to qualify - of course they might do some extra checking, but that checking is more likely to happen the other way I would suspect (I know Bill, and sure he never mentions it but he FooBar Corp pays him for his kernel work).

    52. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by nedlohs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't care at all, since it's irrelevant.

      But feel free to fixate on the details of the plucked out of the air company name.

    53. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dimwit.

      It broadens the appeal of .NET while diminishing the appeal of other competing projects, and at the same time encourages dependence on Microsoft controlled technology.

      Miguel and his team will benefit in the short term and that's why they are doing it. In the long term, if they are allowed to get away with it, their short term gain will be the long term loss of Linux as a whole.

    54. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Ad hominem attacks aside, I doubt that entirely. The development community tends to be swift enough to change those technologies, or were people using Python 10 years ago or Ruby 7 years ago? There are lots of people who complain "OMG, my $FAV_APP is not supported on Linux" and with a cross platform technology, regardless of who originated it, there chances of seeing it available to them increase. Also, if somebody were say on Windows Server 2003 and said "Shit, I don't want to pay to upgrade 4000 servers plus support for this crap to 2008, let me look at going with Red Hat or SUSE, but oh no, we have all this .NET code we wrote..." They don't have to pucker up to the computer masters at Microsoft and shell out for this upgrade. They can move their entire code base to another OS platform. .NET does not need broader appeal. People already embraced it on the MS front. There are thousands of openings for .NET programmers. There are still plenty of openings for Java, Python, PHP, Perl, C, C++, COBOL programmers out there. What this does is actually give Linux users some leverage.

    55. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His garbage dressed up as journalism shows up on "Linux Today" and some big name Linux zealots like Carla Schroder also endorse him.

    56. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by digitalunity · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's obviously relevant.

      CANBUS is short for Controller Area Network. It allows different automotive sensors to communicate with subsystem modules such as anti-lock braking, powertrain control modules, and engine control units. This is a good case for where a company that uses Linux, but whose product is NOT information technology specific might want to be involved in the development of Linux.

      Real-time linux has had a big push from integrated systems development, where it's either "on-time" or it fails. Automotive is just another sector that can benefit from this. Any company that wants the most out of Linux is well served by having one or two full time developers whose sole purpose is to contribute to Linux and other open-source projects they rely on to be sure they continue to meet their requirements.

      Already, too many companies use Linux for the core products of their business but contribute nothing back and will constantly be chasing their tail to keep their own modifications synchronized with new kernel releases. VW did the right thing and all you can think of to do is troll.

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    57. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      My point was that depending on how many of those "independent contractors" were really doing the work for their employer versus doing it themselves, it could be up to four times that number.

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    58. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Yeah but Roy and his gang also bash the Gnome project

      No they don't. Roy & Co. bash the Miguel fanbois. As it so happens, some of these are Gnome devs, yes, but that is not the focus of Roy's ire. It is their uncritical adulation of Microsoft.

      And finally, if you could back up your assertion with some quotes, you'd be more credible.

      Mart

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    59. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Looks like Canonical does contribute.

      (Why does this matter, anyway? I don't care if a distro company contributes back to the kernel or not.)

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    60. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      The only thing I was posting about was that assigning someone as a "does linux dev for company X" because they use a company X email address isn't valid.

      I picked volkswagon since that was mthe one mentioned in the post. It's completely irrelevant since it was to the actual point that just because I use a company email address doesn't mean my I'm not doing my linux dev from my basement on my own time.

    61. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by sofar · · Score: 1

      because they're the biggest desktop linux provider.

    62. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha the spic says he "understands". Listen spic, it's very cute that you think you can "do computer" but really leave the real computer work (the stuff before looking for taco porn and AOL) to the pros. Maybe you can pretend to click around and call it "programming" but really beaner. Go back to mexico.

    63. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by kelnos · · Score: 1

      So? They contribute to GNOME and to other software they use. Why is it required/expected that a company contribute to every single open source project whose software they use?

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    64. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by sofar · · Score: 1

      Would you not expect the manufacturer of -say- your refrigerator (especially the largest manufacturer in the world of refrigerators) to make sure each and ever component in said fridges is optimum?

      If there was -nothing- wrong with the linux kernel as is, yes, by all means canonical can sit and sell ubuntu. But the problem is that there is much wrong in the kernel and much more to be fixed. And the kernel needs -the biggest vendor- of desktop linux to help out by telling the kernel developers what is wrong, and not just point at it, but actually reach out and make the communication work both ways.

      You're arguing that the manufacturer of -say- engine parts shouldn't worry about how the users like their car's driving experience... that's not right. This isn't some closed and proprietary component. It works because almost everyone in the chain gets involved.

    65. Re:the list Before a karma whore can... by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Ugh, more bad analogies.

      I'm arguing that a software integrator need not be involved in the development of every piece of software they ship. I'm certainly not denying that the kernel needs work, but I think it's perfectly reasonable if Canonical decides they don't want to retain kernel expertise on their payroll. It's a business decision, like any other, and it doesn't seem to have been hurting them.

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  4. Myth definitely false! by dkf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linux isn't written by lonely nerds hiding out in their parents' basements

    Of course! There's the lonely nerds hiding out in their parents' attics as well. More light, less ground water.

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    1. Re:Myth definitely false! by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If there was a "-1, ruiuned a good joke" mod (instead of the comment "woosh") I'd surely be modded down for this, but I made a submission yesterday about a New Scientist article that debunks the "lonely nerd" myth. And here I thought that I was a slashdot anomaly, because sometimes women actually hit on me, even when I'm with my girlfriend.

      Unfortunately, sometimes even men hit on me, even when I'm with my girlfriend. But then again, it's been shown that Gay brains are structured like those of the opposite sex, so it shouldn't be surprising. If you're attractive to women, you're going to be attractive to gay men as well.

      Mods: this is either offtopic or interesting, take your pick.

    2. Re:Myth definitely false! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's ok, sometimes men hit on my girlfriend even when I'm with my girlfriend.

      If she ever took them up on it, I'd just feel sorry for the poor bastards. I hope they have large bank accounts, is all I can say.

    3. Re:Myth definitely false! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, I bet you posted that anonymously for obvious reasons!

    4. Re:Myth definitely false! by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      There was this class reunion show on Dutch television a long time ago and there was this Georgio Armani model that said that he was actually kinda nerdy inside and read /. "New for nerds" on a regular basis. Not that anyone knew what that website was but eh, that's not the point. I'm not the anti-social nerdy kind of failure type that can't get girls (they usualy approach me and funny that you mentioned it; some gay guys as well) either. So I guess I'm just myself and just have this insanely huge interrest in everythign related to science, and I don't even know where it is comming from, but I don't care.

      An even funnier side note is that I found myself usually getting along with the more nerdy people, simply because they had a real personality instead of the "monkey see, monkey do" losers and I was always kicking the asses of those joe 6-packs instead of the other way around.

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  5. You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, Canonical. It is nowhere to be seen in contributions to the linux kernel. Why won't the biggest name in desktop linux, which is funded by a millionaire, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel?

    1. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They seem to concentrate on the userland experience..

      Not a bad idea.

    2. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The kernel is only a small part of a distribution. If Canonical is contributing nothing upstream to any of its packages, then that's unfortunate. Focusing on the kernel is silly.

    3. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Java+Pimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the kernel works. It's the desktop that needs help.

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    4. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous+Cowar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Canonical is not a company for-profit. Simply because red hat is a distro as well as a company doesn't mean you should hold all distros to the same standards as companies. Canonical doesn't have the resources to spend on hiring a team of programmers to hack the kernel all day. Instead, it relies on debian-unstable (not the testing sid, just the unstable) for its kernels and focuses more on the gui, the included software, and making everything usable and relatively stable for the end user (i use debian stable, so everything is relatively stable unless it's debian or a few other distros).

      What you're doing is criticizing someone who does volunteer work for not donating enough money.

      From TFA:

      But what I'd like to draw the attention of everyone who thinks of Linux as being written by techies for techies to is that major computer companies that everyone knows, like IBM, Intel, Oracle, Fujitsu, and HP, also spend hundreds of millions in making Linux better.

      I don't think canonical has hundreds of millions, i thought they just had a few million.

    5. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      I have no idea whether this is true or not, but it might well be that Canonical is a lot more involved with the integration of desktop environments and application packages, documentation, support, and so on, and not doing much at all with the kernel. Linux kernel development is one thing, Linux distro development is another.

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    6. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by maxume · · Score: 1

      As far as I understand it, Canonical Ltd. does not enjoy a charitable tax status, it is a private, for profit (a tax status, not a description of how profitable the company is) company that happens to be merrily run at a loss by the owner.

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    7. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Canonical. It is nowhere to be seen in contributions to the linux kernel. Why won't the biggest name in desktop linux, which is funded by a millionaire, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel?

      Because http://www.xkcd.com/619/

    8. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by wigaloo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They seem to concentrate on the userland experience.. Not a bad idea.

      There are a variety of kernel issues (think wireless drivers and other hardware support) that have a major impact on the userland experience. I'm not about to say where Canonical should invest their time -- there are more than enough issues to go around, and it isn't shameful for them to concentrate elsewhere as the GP implied -- but what happens with kernel development certainly impacts the Ubuntu userland.

    9. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by pseudonomous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't answer that question, but you know what other big linux using corporation is conspiciously absent from that list?

      Google.

    10. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by asdir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Forget it. You won't get funny-score for quoting everybody's darling xkcd.

    11. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Zuato · · Score: 1

      Wireless in Ubuntu has been pretty darned good the last two or three versions released. I've had zero issues getting wireless to work across three different laptop manufacturers and on my old desktop with an ancient D-Link wireless PCI card. Wireless worked right out of the box so to speak with no tinkering required.

      I'll say it has been better than XP and Vista on two of the lap tops and the desktop to set up my wireless networking.

    12. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by dissy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't answer that question, but you know what other big linux using corporation is conspiciously absent from that list?

      Google.

      Serious question (I must not be awake enough yet to form a proper Google query)

      How much HAS Google actually contributed back to Linux?

      I mean I realize they USE Linux and all, but I haven't heard of any kernel updates/patches from them.

      Have they really contributed much back to the kernel? the distros? All that they make popular and well known are their apps, which is great and all, but an app is not a kernel.
      And even their apps seem to usually get late ports to Linux, just after the already late port to MacOS, which was embarrassingly late after the Windows versions.

      I don't mean this as knocking Google. They are awesome and I still heart them.

      And to cut off most of the replies I expect, contributing to OSS is not at all the same as contributing specifically to Linux. I know they do the former a lot. It's the latter I've never really heard of.

    13. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by bytestorm · · Score: 1

      Google is on the list, on table 9, (page 12) contributing 1,261 changes, which is approximately 0.9% of the total, ranked 18th among contributing companies.

    14. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you are not confusing GNU/Linux the operating system with Linux which is a kernel on which to build an operating system?

    15. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by tristanreid · · Score: 2, Informative

      FUD much?
      Since you're currently at +5 Insightful, I have to point out that they're actually on the list, the poster above cut it off at 1%, they're .8%.

      Also from TFA, there's another list of companies that do sign-off patches. Google is at 10.5% on that list, behind only Red Hat, above Novell, Intel, and IBM.

      To put it in perspective, the list doesn't include Linus on the list of contributors (he doesn't make the cut), but it does list him on the sign-off patches list.

      Just FYI,

      -t.

    16. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seems a lot of people don't know squat about Canonical. Some rich guy invested a good bit of his fortune into making Linux widely known and acceptable on the laptop. So far, he's done a pretty good job. If he contributes nothing else back into the upstream system, he attracts some pretty bright people to the Linux community - SOME of whom go on to contribute something. Reality check: Ubuntu does contribute, whether they actually work on the kernel or not.

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    17. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 5, Informative

      They're a little bit further down.

      The next two rows on the list in TFA are as follows:

      17: Freescale 1,375 0.9%
      18: Google 1,261 0.9%

      I'm not sure why the parent decided to stop where they did.

      These rankings are based on number of kernel changes submitted broken down by employer.

      However it seems that Google employees are making a significant contribution to Linux project management and quality processes though: Red Hat employees sign off on over 36.4% of changes, which is the highest proportion of sign-offs in the hands of a single company, but Google has second place in that table with 10.5% of all sign-offs. It looks like several Google employees are filling the roles of subsystem maintainers - they may not write as much code as some other companies but they are still contributing some senior people.

      Interesting stuff!

    18. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Considering the mess that is userland and the desktop, you should be thankful they even exist. I mean, shaving off .0000002 ms off kernel loading time is great too, but perhaps someone should be focused on the desktop experience and maintaining a good distro without too much worrying about the kernel.

    19. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      There are a variety of kernel issues (think wireless drivers and other hardware support) that have a major impact on the userland experience.

      And there's plenty drivers living in userland missing. For example anything connected by USB, the kernel can do raw read/write to all USB devices but without a driver to know where and what to write that won't do any good. A linux issue yes, but not a kernel issue.

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    20. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by sofar · · Score: 1

      given that the kernel is one of the largest parts, with probably the most dramatic changes going on, you'd think that it would be wise for anyone so dependent on it to contribute directly.

      Canonical is not only not caring, they are also passing on a strategical opportunity to help out where it matters a lot.

    21. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google contributes in two ways. Directly, they provided a port to one of the Qualcomm MSM chips as part of the Android project. That's a pretty substantial chunk of code related to a pretty sophisticated microcontroller. Smallish compared to the total amount of kernel code, however, as are all platform/machine/architecture ports.

      Indirectly, Google funds the the Summer of Code, which has resulted in kernel code submissions--- but all under the original author's identity and not Google's.

      Overall, I don't know how much code that amounts to as a total percentage a'la Red Hat et. al. But it's nonzero.

    22. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by pseudonomous · · Score: 1

      I see, the second link in the summary only lists the top 16 contributers, well, I suppose it's only a matter of time before someone mods my original post down.

    23. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From Table 9, Page 11: Google: 0.9%

    24. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      Is it a requirement to CHANGE anything in the kernel? If they're just using stock builds, what is there to give back?

    25. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      Greg Kroah-Hartman, is that you?

    26. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by AlecC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, what Canonical are focussing on, and what makes Ubuntu popular, is the user experience. They are doing all the tidying up of the installer and package handling so that the non-techie user doesn't get baffling (to them) messages about mismatched packages etc. In some ways, you should see them more as a packager than a developer. In which case it is hardly surprising that they contribute little to kernel development. The kernel, by and large, is the bit that you don't package.

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    27. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Is it a requirement to CHANGE anything in the kernel? If they're just using stock builds, what is there to give back?

      Well, I would say to "contribute back to the Linux kernel", that yes, changing the kernel is a requirement ;}

      Thus my question. Parent said Google DID contribute back to the kernel. I, like you, assumed they used a stock build.
      But admittedly I did not know either way what the case was.

    28. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by pthisis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not really "some senior people". Google's 0.9% of code contributed and 10.5% of patches signed off on exactly match the efforts of one employee, Andrew Morton. Aside from Andrew, they have a couple of other minor contributors but he is by far the most significant.

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    29. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by I.M.O.G. · · Score: 1

      There are a variety of kernel issues (think wireless drivers and other hardware support) that have a major impact on the userland experience. I'm not about to say where Canonical should invest their time -- there are more than enough issues to go around, and it isn't shameful for them to concentrate elsewhere as the GP implied -- but what happens with kernel development certainly impacts the Ubuntu userland.

      While your premise is true, the implication that Canonical should contribute in a greater way towards direct kernel development is misplaced.

      In classic Slashdot fashion, I present a car analogy:

      Goodyear has built a company out of making tires. While the quality of the roads those tires run on effect the performance of their tires, contributing directly to the development of improved road surfaces is outside of Goodyear's core competencies. A tire company should focus on making better tires.

      In a similar vein, Canonical is doing the right thing by focusing on their core competency - improving the userland experience. They should continue with that focus where they've already established competency.

      I'd also suggest that Canonical is contributing greatly to kernel development thru secondary channels - broadening the desktop-centric Linux userbase. With a more broad userbase, everything get tested and improved at a faster pace. Canonical is doing this for the desktop where Linux has normally struggled in comparison to server deployments.

    30. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      In that case, where are GNU and Debian?

      I'd imagine that they make up a considerable portion of the 18% of contributions made by individual developers. Given that Ubuntu is a variant of Debian with a radically overhauled user interface, one would imagine that any Ubuntu kernel hackers would be encouraged to contribute upstream to Debian, rather than to Ubuntu itself.

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    31. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by NoCowardsHere · · Score: 1

      Um, Google is NOT absent from that list, conspicuously or otherwise. They're at 0.9%, which is actually a pretty significant number. (Think of it this way: only 17 companies in the world contribute more than they do.)

      However, scroll down a bit and you'll see that they're actually #2 on the list of companies that review and sign off on code from the subsystem trees, incorporating that code into the mainline kernel. No less than 10.5% of the kernel updates have been approved/merged by a google employee; only Red Hat beats them in that department.

      I'd say that's a pretty conspicuous presence on the list.

    32. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1
      I think the question to ask is if you think Linux would be better off without the contributions of Canonical. Even if they contributed nothing more than a brand and marketing, they've done their fair share in making Linux more successful, usable and accessible.

      There's more to the success of an operating system than the kernel.

    33. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      It looks like several Google employees are filling the roles of subsystem maintainers

      That's essentially just Andrew Morton. According to this June 8th 2008 Google tech talk he was responsible for signing off on more stuff than Linus

    34. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      I agree completely.

      Greg Kroah makes a, to me, disparaging comment about how Canonical doesn't contribute to the kernel. I'm sure he's right - they probably do not submit patches to the kernel.

      Maybe improving the kernel isn't what Canonical is trying to do? Maybe they're just trying to improve the user experience?

      Not everything and everyone needs to be focused on the kernel. I don't use Ubuntu or even Linux outside of experimenting, so I don't even know how much/little Canonical contributes to the software they ship. But does it really matter?

      For one thing, I haven't really heard anyone complaining that Pinifarina didn't contribute to engine development. All they do is design good looking cars - who needs that, right?

    35. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, good for you. It hasn't for me. I installed Ubuntu 9.04 on my 2 year old Gateway (GM5446E). Wireless was not working. I double click the network icon at the top of the screen, the network manger opens up. I click a tab, we have a problem. THE GOD DAMN FUCKING THING LOCKS UP. Can't close the window, can't change tabs. Is this the power of Linux?

      Installed the Windows 7 Release Candidate. Wireless worked instantly. Back to formula, asshole.

    36. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by sofar · · Score: 1

      That's not the point. By dismissing a major component of what makes your product 'tick' as 'insignificant', you're effectively pissing off everyone who works on it. Canonical will fire most of their desktop developers too if they think that desktop development is no longer needed.

      You can only tidy up an installer so much. Even Microsoft knows that you have to also improve the kernel, and so, they are now ahead of Canonical when it comes to significant additions to the linux kernel.

      That is sad by all standards, and the label 'shamefull' in totally appropriate IMHO.

    37. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by jhfry · · Score: 1

      So Google made 1261 contributions to the Kernel. I would wager that these contributions were heavily tested and in wide use within their infrastructure prior to their submission.

      Tracking the contribution a company makes by the number of submissions is bunk... I could contribute patches every day, just fixing my own mistakes... doesn't make my contribution all that valuable.

      Additionally, Google's systems are pretty simple. The use the kernel on pretty vanilla equipment that they purchased specifically to run their software... I would imagine that the hardware they chose was already really well supported by the kernel.

      Theoretically, the only area of major continuous activity in the kernel should be done by the hardware vendors or those who develop modules for hardware. Everything else is just bug fixes and the occasional new feature... areas where the Google's of the world couldn't care less about.

      So between the facts that Google has no real incentive to improve the kernal much, and the that they likely don't make small submissions, I'd say they are a strong contributor.

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    38. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      There are a variety of kernel issues (think wireless drivers and other hardware support)

      Wireless drivers are the kind of thing that aren't really going to happen in the near future, however, seeing as so many wireless cards can alter their power output through software.

      This isn't necessarily a problem in itself but at least one (probably many) countries' radio licensing regulations explicitly forbid selling a radio transmitter of that form to the general public without somehow preventing Joe Bloggs from fiddling with the power output.

    39. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Hah, you should try downloading all the compiz stuff from the repository and then activating it in the settings panel. The screen just went all garbled and kept garbling, even after a full reboot. Good fun... :)

    40. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      ...it relies on debian-unstable (not the testing sid, just the unstable) for its kernels...

      You seem to be confusing your Debian versions.
      sid = unstable
      squeeze = testing
      lenny = stable

    41. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Phil06 · · Score: 0

      Why are there no names that look like they are from India? I thought we outhoused all our IT to them.

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    42. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      The kernel affects userland experience. People keep complaining about some network card not being supported, some random USB hardware not being supported, etc. This is all kernel stuff (sorry AST), and it affects user experiences and attitudes toward Linux distros as a whole.

      The reason that you do not see Canonical committing these changes to the kernel is that Canonical is willing to ship proprietary drivers with their distro. This is a great band-aid, but it is not a strategy that I would want to rely on; if a proprietary company suddenly decides to stop supporting Linux, as they routinely do, nobody is able pick up where that company left off. We need more open source drivers, and we need companies that are working on distros for the "average" end user to commit some developers to that task.

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    43. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh good, I was confused until you made a car analogy.

    44. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's a GNOME thing or an Ubuntu 9.04 thing, but I had the lockup problem too, although mine was based on disk I/O, especially to a USB drive, but ONLY when using nautilus (When copying over to an external last night for the impending switch to OpenSUSE, I got around this by using Thunar).

    45. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Lockups are a symptom, not a problem. The symptom could very well be associated with a USB IO problem, a (separate) wireless problem, and the famous "my-nose-is-stuffy" problem.

    46. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by dissy · · Score: 1

      For some reason, android completely slipped my mind.
      And I was unaware of that aspect of their summer of code contest. I would definitely say that does count.

      Thank you for the information!

    47. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pity that Linux doesn't contribute back into Ubuntu.
      Yes you read that right. Linux is now a corporate tool as much as Windows, your freedom can go to hell. Why, with all the supposed stability you hear about for mainframes terrible bugs keep popping up for things that used to work?
      There couldn't be an easier answer, the corporate bastards that control the Linux kernel(remember Linus is under Red Hat control) and many of the userland tools won't do anything for your computer or for your freedom, they only want to fill their pockets.
      If they have to step over your sound support to get a penny worth of throughput they will, their servers don't play any music.
      The lie of the GPL comes through. The GPL allows corporations to contribute with no risk that competitors will have a better OS than them by using their code. It's not freedom for you but only for corporations that can allow themselves to share some of their code OS in order to destroy competition.
      They wouldn't use BSD because that would mean anyone talented enough would be able to improve the code and use it against their corporate interests.
      As it stands they control the direction of the project and get a hold of any peripheral improvement.
      Knowledge wants to be free, the GPL is an evil spawn of copyright - a betrayal to the hackers that brought us where we are and to humanity as a whole.

    48. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are lots of driver issues, sure. You can either piss your money away trying to make the current generation of Linux unfriendly hardware work before the next generation comes along, or you can work on deals with Dell, Lenovo, IBM, Intel, HP and the big manufacturers behind these companies so we start seeing decent open source drivers and a new generation of Linux friendly hardware. We are already seeing the tip of the iceberg with Ubuntu certified laptops and servers now available from the worlds biggest manufacturers. This benefits everyone, and you can be sure it didn't happen because the manufacturers thought the Ubuntu sticker looked cooler than the Windows sticker. Who would have thought people in suits and ties could contribute so much to Linux hardware support?

    49. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Yes, Canonical. It is nowhere to be seen in contributions to the linux kernel. Why won't the biggest name in desktop linux, which is funded by a millionaire, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel?

      "Shuttleworth Offers Canonical Employees to Debian".

      Falcon

    50. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by quotationspage · · Score: 1

      "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." --Rick Cook

    51. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Lockups are a symptom, not a problem. The symptom could very well be associated with a USB IO problem, a (separate) wireless problem, and the famous "my-nose-is-stuffy" problem.

      I'm honestly not sure. I'm pretty sure it's not wireless (this is a desktop PC with good old Cat5 cable), and it doesn't seem to be a usb_storage issue, since the problem is file-manager dependent. And I know it's not a hardware problem because (wait for it...) it all works in windows (and it all worked before I updated to Jaunty).

      I can't be arsed, though, to try and muddle through what's up with the semester looming in 3 days, so I'm going to throw a KDE-based install of OpenSUSE on there, see if that addresses it. If not, then I may have to go deeper.

    52. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by columbus · · Score: 1

      I don't think Google contributes that much to the kernel specifically, but if you look at the larger open source ecosystem, their level of contribution is much larger.

      Google contributes to python in a big way, for which I am very grateful. I use python pretty much every day . . . on a linux machine.

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    53. Re:You know what company is shamefully absent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are stating your opinion as if it is fact. I have an opinion as well, as ubuntu pulls users and resources away from Red Hat projects like RHEL and Fedora it becomes harder for Red Hat to fund or justify doing the majority of Linux kernel and open source improvements.

      While Canonical benefits, and the loss of Red Hat could seriously damage Linux.

      Red Hat is most popular Linux server OS, it is the OS many 3rd party commercial applications are written for and Red Hat gives the most back to the kernel and OSS community.

      If they were to go away ubuntu would suffer (Yes, ubuntu benefits from kernel improvements made by Red Hat), but if ubuntu were to go away, while Linux desktop adoption would suffer, Linux advancements would continue under leaders like Red Hat.

  6. Not quite a myth. by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At 18.2%, individuals are still the largest single group contributing to Linux. The next is RedHat at 12.3%.

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    1. Re:Not quite a myth. by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Also, programmers are people too!

    2. Re:Not quite a myth. by nvivo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At 18.2%, individuals are still the largest single group contributing to Linux. The next is RedHat at 12.3%.

      By your analysis, the largest single group contributing to Linux is actually the "people working for a company" group, with 81.8%.

    3. Re:Not quite a myth. by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

      individuals are still the largest single group

      Something's wrong with the intartubes. Can someone switch the Dichotomy Filter back on please?

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    4. Re:Not quite a myth. by Blade · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except if you group them as,

      People who do it for a company
      People who don't do it for a company

      Then your 18.2% are in the minority, which I think is the point here. The company folk might represent different companies, but they're still companies.

    5. Re:Not quite a myth. by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Funny

      I see nothing wrong with the statement. Most kernel developers are single. The group of them, as a whole, are all single!

    6. Re:Not quite a myth. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      No, the largest single group would be the "Linux Kernel hackers" group at 99.98% of all source contributed.

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    7. Re:Not quite a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen, obviously the human group is contributing the most with a commanding 96%. In case you're wondering, ever since Alan left his cat has been contributing a lot of patches...

    8. Re:Not quite a myth. by AlecC · · Score: 1

      Of course they are all single. We all know that geeks cannot attract the opposite sex (or the same one, for that matter).

      Tongue in cheek, here. The number of new-baby announcements in this company comfortably exceeds the number of software releases.

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    9. Re:Not quite a myth. by doti · · Score: 1

      By your analysis, the largest single group contributing to Linux is actually the "people" group, with 100%.

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    10. Re:Not quite a myth. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      OMG. The filter is only 63% on! We're doomed! DOOOMED I say!

      Oh wait, apparently, according to some twitter feed, we're only 63% doomed! What a coincidence!

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    11. Re:Not quite a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dichotomy Filter -> On

      Singles are still the largest individual group

      There fixed it for ya!

    12. Re:Not quite a myth. by ADRA · · Score: 1

      The topic on the whole is useless.

      1. Being an independent developer doesn't mean you don't have a day job where you interact with real people in meaningful and healthy ways
      2. Many kernel hackers telecommute or are simply paid by said developer for supporting their junk. This doesn't mean that these developers live 'healthy corporate lives'

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    13. Re:Not quite a myth. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      By your analysis, the largest single group contributing to Linux is actually the "people working for a company" group, with 81.8%.

      I'd say the largest group is that of people, accounting for 99.9% (the other 0.1% is super-intelligent AIs that will take over the world, but it's insignificant).

    14. Re:Not quite a myth. by jkleid · · Score: 1

      At 18.2%, individuals are still the largest single group contributing to Linux. The next is RedHat at 12.3%.

      By your analysis, the largest single group contributing to Linux is actually the "people working for a company" group, with 81.8%.

      By your analysis, the largest single group contributing to Linux is actually the "people" group, with 100%.

    15. Re:Not quite a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, programmers are people too!

      Citation Required.

    16. Re:Not quite a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely some are married?

  7. dissociation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't this article make the real lonely nerds in their parents basements even more lonely?

    1. Re:dissociation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I met a beatiful girl thanks to this article. We are getting married next week and will be having our first kid in may.

  8. Very nice report. by itilguy · · Score: 1

    It is nice to see how things have developed and know who should be given credit for much of the work. I look forward to such a list and stats being made available dynamically on each release ongoing.

    1. Re:Very nice report. by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      Just read LWN, Corbet has been writing these for a couple of years already.

      See http://lwn.net/Kernel/Index/ and search for "Contributor statistics"

  9. SCO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but.. but... but... where's SCO?

  10. GPL good for business by chrb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this finally kills off the "GPL is bad for business" myth. Every one of those companies is paying for work on the kernel because it is good for their business. Red Hat, IBM, Novell, etc. aren't charities - they sponsor Linux development because it expands their markets and brings in profits.

    1. Re:GPL good for business by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, once Linux was established as a viable OS, companies jumped on the bandwagon.

      The real business issue about GPL'd code isn't whether established companies will support it once it is successful, but whether you can start your own for-profit software business if you license your software under the GPL.

    2. Re:GPL good for business by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      If a GPL'd operating system, like Linux, came to dominate the business and consumer OS market, would that be FINANCIALLY better or worse for software developers?

      If so, how? If not, why no significant action in that direction?

    3. Re:GPL good for business by the_womble · · Score: 4, Informative

      whether you can start your own for-profit software business if you license your software under the GPL.

      Depends on what the alternatives are and what your business model is. Assuming we narrow down the choices to the two best known open source licences (others are broadly similar to one of the other) and proprietary licensing:

      • Want to do all the development yourself, distribution yourself, not using GPL licensed libraries, want to make your money from license sales? Proprietary.
      • Want to accept community contributions and sell a proprietary version, happy for competitors to use your code, do not need GPL libraries, want others to redistribute? BSD or GPL and persuade contributors to sign over the copyrights, or cleanly separate open and proprietary components and LGPL.
      • Do not want to sell a proprietary version, want to use GPL licensed libraries, want to accept outside contributions, want to prevent people from reselling your code without contributing back, want other to distribute? GPL
      • Doing all the development yourself, but want to use GPL libraries, want others to redistribute, want to prevent competitors reselling your code without contributing? GPL
      • Want to re-assure users that the software will still be around if you go bust? GPL or BSD. Additionally want to stop competitors reselling a proprietary version? GPL.

      Obviously this does not cover anything like all the possibilities, but I just want to make the point that there are business reasons for every choice.

    4. Re:GPL good for business by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Which developers? Those who use, rather than produce OSes will probably be better off - and there are far more of them

      Microsoft shareholders would take most of the loss.

      OS developers would have a wider choice of employers, which might strengthen their bargaining position, but the business itself will be less profitable so there will be less money to go around. I would bet on a reduction in the number of jobs (with a lot of people moving to other types of software) rather than a huge reduction in salaries.

      That implicitly assumes that sharing components between OSS OSes will bring efficiency gains so there would be less work to be done.

    5. Re:GPL good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are many many other factors, to answer your second question...

      Money isn't everything.

    6. Re:GPL good for business by AlecC · · Score: 1

      The assumption that there would be less money in OS development, while plausible, is not necessarily true. That assumes that the rate of development stays the same. But sometimes cutting prices can stimulate demand and increase total spend. The more the model allows people to co-operate and share their development, the more enhancements which are uneconomic for one company but economic for several will be produced - employing more OS developers, not fewer.

      This would need a "features market", where you could put together clubs of potential funders, who will individually pay a developer a small amount that becomes collectively large.

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    7. Re:GPL good for business by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It works because they're delivering services to the customer which generate needs that propagate back up into a kernel need. But what about the traditional application development? For the most part, they don't deliver to the end customer. They're packaged up by distros and if you were going to buy support from anyone, it'd probably be the distro. At least on the desktop side, a few server apps might be different. I honestly can't understand what e.g. Sun is getting out of OpenOffice. I could understand the distros all pitching in because they want to sell Linux desktops, but even if I bought support for Ubuntu I doubt Sun would ever see any of the money. It gets even worse when you're talking about libraries that aren't even directly visible but provide functionality for others, or just nice-to-haves. I mean I think you can work on something like digiKam next to forever and not ever get a support contract...

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    8. Re:GPL good for business by oldhack · · Score: 1

      You have to admit, though, most are hardware/service firms, and very few (any?) software firms, as was expected.

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    9. Re:GPL good for business by Desler · · Score: 1

      Money isn't everything.

      No, but being able to afford clothing, food and shelter makes it pretty damn important.

    10. Re:GPL good for business by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Well, GPL does not force you to contribute back to the community. It only forces to distribute the source code with the binary version under itself.

    11. Re:GPL good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly, it also shows kills off the "GPL is good for the people" myth.
      In this world, you can look where the money is and know where the freedom isn't.
      Linux is not a free Operating System anymore, it has become a corporate tool, full of undocumented code and tools that only benefit the companies that created them. And all thanks to the GPL that makes it easy for companies to use their money to control the future of a project.
      Knowledge wants to be free, the GPL is a betrayal against hackers and humanity as a whole.

    12. Re:GPL good for business by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Want to make a profit? None of the above.

    13. Re:GPL good for business by Minozake · · Score: 1

      Linux isn't an OS.

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    14. Re:GPL good for business by True+Grit · · Score: 1

      If a GPL'd operating system, like Linux, came to dominate the business and consumer OS market
      ...
      If so, how?

      The 'if' and 'how' are irrelevant because...

      why no significant action in that direction?

      Answer: Microsoft.

  11. Stereotypes won't go easily... by nvivo · · Score: 1

    This is a problem that won't go away easily. This image is perpetuated every day by stupid people that for some reason hate open source.

    The funny fact is that the same people that say that Linux or any other open source software is created by lonely nerds, at the same time see nothing wrong with wikipedia, tvtropes, blogs, twitter, facebook, etc.

    So, the bottom line is: if a software is is created by individuals, it is a huge pile of crap done by lonely nerds that have nothing better to do in life. Anything else is actually a great experience that shows how powerful individual contributions are, and how they can change the world.

  12. This Linux Kernel was brought to you by... by hal2814 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of PBS...
    This Linux Kernel was brought to you by the continued support of USERS LIKE YOU.*

    * And support from Red Hat, IBM, and Novell.

    1. Re:This Linux Kernel was brought to you by... by Ponga · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP! So true...

  13. Small problem by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 0

    For each developer, corporate affiliation was obtained through one or more of: (1) the use of company email addresses, (2) sponsorship information included in the code they submit, or (3) simply asking the developers directly.

    This is a piss-poor way to determine corporate sponsorship, especially the first one. Because someone works on the kernel and uses his work email address, it does not follow that the employer sponsored his work.

    The third one is also dependent on the question asked. The question is not listed and the answer to "Are you employed at a company for the specific purpose of developing for the Linux Kernel" is almost guaranteed to be different than the question combination of "Where are you employed?" and "Have you ever done any Linux kernel development at work?"

    The proper people to ask about corporation sponsorship of Linux kernel development is HR and PA, not the employees.

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    1. Re:Small problem by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a piss-poor way to determine corporate sponsorship, especially the first one. Because someone works on the kernel and uses his work email address, it does not follow that the employer sponsored his work.

      If it wasn't work, I wouldn't pass that kind of thing through my work account. Could lead to all sorts of silly questions about whether you're using work time or work code (you're already using work resources...) for this, causing you more headaches as necessary.

      Once you've established that it is for work it pretty much drops out of your commit stats whether you're full-time or the lone patch contributor. I short, I don't think your criticism is very valid.

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    2. Re:Small problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The third one is also dependent on the question asked. The question is not listed and the answer to "Are you employed at a company for the specific purpose of developing for the Linux Kernel" is almost guaranteed to be different than the question combination of "Where are you employed?" and "Have you ever done any Linux kernel development at work?"

      A few years ago the relevant part of an (apparently autogenerated) mail I received after my first (rather trivial) patch was included in a new kernel was:

      Your email address shows up in the changelog for the 2.6.[...] kernel release as a contributor, but I can't seem to place it with a company. If you don't mind, could you let me know what company you work for? Or if no company, do you want to be classified in any of these other categories instead:

      - Amateur/Hobbyist/None

      - this category is for people who are doing kernel work, but not getting paid by any corporation to do it.

      - Consultant

      - this category is for people who are consultants working on the kernel and getting paid by other companies (not your own) to do the work

      - Unknown

      - this category is for people who want to remain in the "unknown" category.

      The question might have changed now. I wouldn't know, you're only supposed to receive this mail once.

    3. Re:Small problem by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      To suggest that you ask HR anything of value is preposterous.

    4. Re:Small problem by bfields · · Score: 1

      The proper people to ask about corporation sponsorship of Linux kernel development is HR and PA, not the employees.

      Chances that HR people at my employer would have the foggiest idea how to answer this question are small.

      And it's enough work tracking down individual contributors (by the email addresses they provide with commits) without having to contact someone else in each organization. Agreed that they could perhaps phrase the question better (they're just asking "who you work for"), but I think self-reporting is probably good enough.

  14. Where is the missing 24.1%? by vtechpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you sum up the figures given in the article, it only accounts for 75.9% of the contributions. I am going to speculate that this missing quarter is contributed by many who contribute infrequently. IE, IT staff in companies that use Linux and find the occasional bug and submit a patch to correct it. If this speculation is correct, the largest group that contributes is 'Everyone Else'.

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    1. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      24% NSA code obfuscation experts hiding back-doors into secure systems, .1% Cowboy Neal impersonators?

    2. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pixies!

    3. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by stillnotelf · · Score: 1

      I think the article only sums those with significant (1%?) contributions - so in other words, 24.1% of Linux is written by a group of more than 25 people who contribute rarely.

    4. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it could be that the list only include those who contributed 1% or more? Sorry for reading the summary though, I know it's bad form...

    5. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the largest group would be "people working for a company that contributes more than 1%". And then "people who don't fit into either category" and finally "individuals"

    6. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Dark matter.

    7. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why speculate? Read the intro or the article.

      From top to bottom, of the companies that have contributed more than 1% of the current Linux kernel

    8. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus.

    9. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by slyn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Individuals and anonymous contributors make up for the remaining 24% according to the youtube link posted in the first comment thread.

    10. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by doti · · Score: 1

      24.1% of the kernel code was stolen from SCO.

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    11. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by CarlDenny · · Score: 1

      The linked PDF has a few more companies listed (~10% more) and says there are around 500 more companies in the long tail.

    12. Re:Where is the missing 24.1%? by The+Slashdolt · · Score: 1

      I resent your sig, for I am the one and only dolt.

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  15. Just out of curiousity... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    I haven't been keeping up with linux development all that much lately, but as I was looking at some of the graphs in the report, I started to become curious as to what the data might represent. For instance, the graph showing lines of code Added, Deleted, or Modified in the 2.6.x kernels. Did something get a massive re-write in 2.6.27?

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    1. Re:Just out of curiousity... by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      That's the staging tree (drivers not ready for mainline yet).

    2. Re:Just out of curiousity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A re-write would signify more lines changed than added. The spike you are seeing is the addition of the staging tree, which added roughly 800k LOC in one release. Of course if you had read the text that goes along with the charts, this would have been obvious.

  16. Re:Mythconception 2: Because it's free it's substd by Enigmafan · · Score: 1

    I don't even know if MS Project can export to HTML so that the others in the teams DON'T need to install it.

    Where I work, the MS Project overview is printed. Apparently, that is the easiest way to convey the information to others.

  17. This is a straw-man myth by ClosedSource · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The point is that Linux would simply not exist except for the efforts of non-paid developers. The same cannot be said of Red Hat, IBM et al.

    1. Re:This is a straw-man myth by AndrewNeo · · Score: 0, Troll

      The point is that Linux would simply not exist except for the efforts of non-paid developers.

      Linus was paid to do it? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't exist if he didn't start it in the first place.

    2. Re:This is a straw-man myth by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      I was including Linus in the non-paid developers category. Of course, one could argue that the country of Finland deserves some credit for providing a safety net that allows young people to follow their dreams without worrying about survival. Who knows if Linux would exist if Linus had been born in the US - he might of ended up working at MS.

    3. Re:This is a straw-man myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that is true, it doesn't negate any of the findings of the paper. Also note that most of the biggest contributors today are the same people that used to be non-paid developers 10-15 years ago. The fact remains, times have changed, and while non-paid developer involvement is still quite active, it absolutely pales in comparison to vendor driven development. Kernel development has not been driven by hobbyists in well over a decade. Likewise past efforts don't buy you any present-day credibility in such a development environment, you are only as relevant as the changes you are making, and that by and large will always be biased towards large corporations with a vested interest in the kernel's technical direction.

    4. Re:This is a straw-man myth by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "Likewise past efforts don't buy you any present-day credibility in such a development environment, you are only as relevant as the changes you are making, and that by and large will always be biased towards large corporations with a vested interest in the kernel's technical direction."

      That sounds like a typically bureaucratic philosophy. I suspect that the true pioneers of Linux aren't particularly concerned about the opinions of large corporations - they know what they've accomplished.

  18. Re:Mythconception 2: Because it's free it's substd by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

    Oh that is just great!

    Our main method of communication is e-mail, and now I have to either PRINT it or send screenshots!

    Thank you for the info.

  19. New collaboration model? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the longest time, it seems like major business have collaborated in one of several ways:

    • Standards-setting bodies, often backed by industry cosortia
    • Contractually established relationships.

    But with Linux, it seems like a new model of collaboration for companies. It's mostly a meritocracy where a company's stature cannot get a bad or only-self-serving idea pushed into the end result. But because of that discipline, the final product is so compelling that companies want/need to participate anyway.

    Am I right?

    1. Re:New collaboration model? by hazah · · Score: 1

      Yes, I think you are. This is the sort of safeguard that I think is simply invaluable in so many more places... It's a shame it's not the norm.

  20. It makes sense by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...everything else is written by someone who's getting paid to create Linux.

    It pays for companies using Linux to contribute to the development. The long term savings of using Linux massively outweighs the small contribution of programming resources. And those contributing to development get to address the technical issues on top of their priority list. You can't get that kind of service out of Microsoft.

    We're quickly approaching the time when an operating system is more like a utility than a product. A commodity delivery mechanism for business services. The potential for Linux, very quickly approaching realization, is that it can provide a unified stack from a mainframe down to embedded systems. That type of efficiency is very powerful economically. I'm sure MSFT can swim against that tide a long time but, eventually, efficiency will win.

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    1. Re:It makes sense by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      And those contributing to development get to address the technical issues on top of their priority list. You can't get that kind of service out of Microsoft.

      you can, but if you need to ask "how much does it cost?", you really don't have enough money to even want to know the answer.

    2. Re:It makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure MSFT can swim against that tide a long time but, eventually, efficiency will win.

      ah yes! the mythical death of microsoft at the hand of linux. i'll come back in another 15 years and see if you're still posting the same song and dance.

  21. Google not in the list by BBird · · Score: 1

    Surprised that Google is not in the list, as they have been big supporters and enablers of linux and the Chrome OS is going to be (quite) a new Linux distro.

    1. Re:Google not in the list by tristanreid · · Score: 1

      Another previous comment said this as well.

      If you actually read TFA, they are on the "lines of code contributed" list at .8%. Also, there's another list of 'sign-off patches', in which they are second only to Red Hat.

      Linus is not even on the "lines of code contributed" list, but he is on the "sign-off patches" list.

      -t.

    2. Re:Google not in the list by sofar · · Score: 1

      surprised? well, they haven't exactly sent any patches ... gee, I wonder if they are really genuinely interested in making linux better, or just run away with it and try to make money out of it.

    3. Re:Google not in the list by tristanreid · · Score: 1

      "well, they haven't exactly sent any patches"

      Untrue. RTFA.

      -t.

  22. Does not follow? by Bodrius · · Score: 1

    Just because someone gets a check from a company, doesn't mean they're not lonely nerds hiding in their mother's basement :-)

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  23. Long tail indeed. by sootman · · Score: 1

    What we see here is that a small number of companies is responsible for a large portion of the total changes to the kernel. But there is a "long tail" of companies (500 of which do not appear in the above list) which have made significant changes.

    Yup. The top 50 contributors (including groups for "none" and "unknown") add up to about 81.5%, meaning that those other 500 companies, added together, yield 18.5% of the code--more than any other single group.

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  24. You don't get it by firewrought · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know what company is shamefully absent? Canonical. It is nowhere to be seen in contributions to the linux kernel. Why won't the biggest name in desktop linux, which is funded by a millionaire, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel?

    Free software is about freedom, not about community busybodies telling companies how they should give back. If you're a company who can take free software, respect the licenses, and make a bajillion dollars off of it, then great! That's part of what freedom is about.

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  25. Re:Mythconception 2: Because it's free it's substd by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Here's a hint: your comment should have been posted in your slashdot journal, where at least six people will see it, as they will be notified that you have written a journal. The when you make an on-topic interesting, informative, or funny comment that is modded up, your comment will have a link to your journals by your username.

    Some folks just copy their homepage entries to their journals. Slashdotters are more likely to click your journal than your homepage.

  26. Myth Busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now to blow it up

  27. The nerd correlation is incidental... by sarkeizen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Linux isn't written by lonely nerds hiding out in their parents' basements. It's written by people working for major companies...who just happen to also be nerds and like to be close to mom.

  28. Mod parent up! by sgtrock · · Score: 1

    His comment is right on target.

  29. Where are the ladies? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    From the report, it appears only men substantially contribute to kernel development. Yes, I have used listed names to come to my conclusion. Where are the women? Or am I wrong?

  30. Not a myth, times are just changing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The kernel used to be only developed by lonely nerds, long before IBM got interested in Linux, before RedHat existed, etc. Though, you have to consider a lot of those lonely nerds got jobs at these companies, so really it is still written by lonely nerds.

  31. Re:Mythconception 2: Because it's free it's substd by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    MS Project can export to a useless read-only, single large .jpg type of html.

    You could buy Collabnet's TeamForge and sync your Project plans (both ways) with a web tracker/management/etc app.
    I'm sure there are online, OSS, apps that do roughly he same job.

    However, at my company, the MS project plan is not shown to anyone other than the project managers, that's the easiest way to convey the information; and as developers, just the way we like it :)

  32. Top 10 account for 43.5% by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    So, unknown "others" are still major contributors.

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  33. Look in the mirror by westlake · · Score: 1

    This is a problem that won't go away easily. This image is perpetuated every day by stupid people that for some reason hate open source.

    OpenOffice.org has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Sun.

    You see a lot of that in FOSS - but it has always been something the geek has chosen to underplay.

    It strips away many of his own most deeply cherished myths - and none is more deeply cherished than that of The Cowboy, The Lone Gunman.

  34. Mod parent 'funny'! by Chousuke · · Score: 0

    You just gave me the best laugh I've had in a while.

    Thank you.

  35. Polite request... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What with all this talent contributing to the kernel, could we corral a couple of devs and have them knock up a SANE modern audio subsystem capable of low latencies (without having to resort to recompiling the kernel), easy configuration, multiple soundcard support, and per app volume control, so that we can be saved from the steaming monstrous pile that is Pulse Audio, and the lack of which is stifling any serious audio development.. please ?

    Pretty please ??

  36. Who's the target audience for this report? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I'm trying to figure this out. Is this meant to assure businesses that Linux isn't dependent on a bunch of "lonely hackers", so they'll be more comfortable bringing it into their IT department? Or is it a response to the sorts of people that seem to turn their noses up in disdain whenever the idea of corporate involvement in Linux is brought up (Slashdot users, you know who you are)?

    Or maybe it's just a public "outing" to point out, by omission, who's not "giving back to the community" sufficiently (in the eyes of the Linux Foundation)?

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  37. Why isn't it done yet? The bloatware problem. by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Linux kernel ought to be done by now, and stable.

    Drivers, file systems, and networks ought not to be in the kernel. That's a big part of the problem.

    Real microkernels like QNX don't change much. USB and FireWire support were added without kernel mods, for example.

    Yes, microkernels require extra copying. But copying is cheap on modern CPUs, as long as what's being copied was accessed recently and is in cache. Fear of copying cost dates from older CPU architectures, where instruction cycles mattered more than cache footprint.

    1. Re:Why isn't it done yet? The bloatware problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fork it and remove all the junk.

      Let us know how that goes.

    2. Re:Why isn't it done yet? The bloatware problem. by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      C has had pointers since... how many decades ago?

      "Fear" of copying is just programmers with a FUCKING CLUE. I doubt even a microkernel would use such a brain-damaged design.

    3. Re:Why isn't it done yet? The bloatware problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not really junk, it's just in the wrong place. Like keeping your beer in the garage instead of in the fridge.

      Well, considering Linux is a monolitich kernel it's actually in the right place, but then maybe Linux sould have been a micro kernel?

      I don't know. Ask Linus and Andrew S. Tanenbaum about it. They seem to have opinions on that topic.

      And maybe Stallman can tell you about Hurd?
      http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/

  38. Canonical by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I'm a little surprised to see that Cannonical isn't on this list. Redhat, sure, but Cannonical has a huge marketshare.

    Canonical doesn't do much if any kernel work, they use Debian. As an earlier poster said Canonical focuses on userland programming.

    Falcon

  39. who's on the list? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    To me, it wouldn't make since for Apple, a company selling a commercial OS based on FreeBSD, to pay people to work on a different kernel.

    While Apple doesn't use and contribute to the Linux kernel, they use and contribute to the khtml engine, it's used in Safari.

    Falcon

  40. Apple support for Linux by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    In a way, I can sort of see Microsoft at least tentatively embracing Linux if that was the way the wind was blowing. However, I would be truly gobsmacked if Apple did, given their corporate culture which is even less inclusive than Microsoft's.

    Actually Apple supports FOSS and individual Apple employees help at least some with Linux. I just wish they could help with an issue I have with Eclipse. When I try to use it in a user account I get an error, I went to 2 different Apple stores and asked a Genus at the bar if they could help me and both said company policy didn't allow it. They said I had to check in the online discussion forums.

    Here's some Apple links to FOSS downloads. Among them are the native Mac port of Open Office NeoOffice, PHP, Apache, and Open Office 3.1.

    Falcon

    BTW I checked both the forums and googled the error but didn't find a solution.

  41. Speaking of captains... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

    The author himself deserves the title of Captain Obvious. It's not like this is the first report on who contributes to the kernel that was released by the Linux Foundation...

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  42. Thanks for reporting... ANDREW !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya got yours !!

    And keep in mind Google has Android, which will be the first success of "Linux" on the .. off the server.

  43. I'm gonna .. by SlashDev · · Score: 1

    .. have to go ahead and disagree with you on this one. - Did Redhat / IBM / Oracle / etc.. write the Linux kernel? No. - Did Redhat / IBM / Oracle / etc.. write the source code for 'cp, rm, mv, iostat, vmstat, bash, ksh, csh, etc..' ? No. - Did Redhat / IBM / Oracle / etc.. write gcc? No. This article should have said, "Who writes Linux applications and packages them along with the Linux OS".

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    1. Re:I'm gonna .. by trouser · · Score: 1

      The article links to a PDF of a report from the Linux Foundation on Linux kernel development. The report makes shows that the majority of changes to the kernel in recent years have been made by programmers being paid to work on the kernel by companies like Redhat, IBM, Oracle, etc. The report does not mention development of anything other than the Linux kernel.

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  44. Metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Created with Adobe InDesign CS4.

  45. Linux and USB by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    And there's plenty drivers living in userland missing. For example anything connected by USB, the kernel can do raw read/write to all USB devices but without a driver to know where and what to write that won't do any good. A linux issue yes, but not a kernel issue.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I got a PC with Linux preinstalled and when I plugged in a USB flash drive an icon popped up on my desktop and I was able to use it right away. This was more than 3 years ago.

    Falcon

    1. Re:Linux and USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just one type of USB devices. Think webcams, scanners, all sort of stuff. Except digicams, as they usually present themselves as a disk like your flash drive.

  46. Canonical is not only not caring, by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    they are also passing on a strategical opportunity to help out where it matters a lot.

    Where it matters a lot is getting Linux onto the desks of end users, unless you want Linux to remain only as servers and toys for geeks, and Canonical is doing quite well in that regard.

    Falcon

  47. Canonical is not a company for-profit. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    "Canonical is a commercial, for-profit company that provides engineering and development services, 24x7 support for Ubuntu Linux, training, hardware certification and application packaging."

    I don't think canonical has hundreds of millions, i thought they just had a few million.

    The Ubuntu project and Canonical was started by the South African Mark Shuttleworth who spent millions of dollars to fly to the Space Station on a Russian Rocket as a cosmonaut.

    Falcon

  48. The "slashdot weenies" forgot this already? by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 1

    "Survey shows open source developers mostly veteran pros, not slashdot weenies. Slashdot weenie Hemos should have submitted this himself already seeing as he was involved in it as LinuxWorld! Open source a needed outlet for programming pros."

    http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/05/201259&mode=nested&threshold=3

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  49. What does Ubuntu mean? by quotationspage · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world.
    http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu

  50. what licenses are good for business by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Want to make a profit? None of the above.

    Redhat makes a profit. IBM makes a profit.

    Falcon

    1. Re:what licenses are good for business by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Neither one is making making money from software they originally wrote. IBM continues to be an attractive company from a CYA point of view ("nobody ever got fired by buying from IBM") and Redhat is the CYA company for Linux.

      Do you think that a software startup should have the goal of becoming the next IBM?

    2. Re:what licenses are good for business by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      So Rehat sell software that they mostly did not write, you can download for nothing, and so obviously they make no money and nobody buys their products ....!

      Actually they sell systems and solutions, what you buy is their expertise and assistance, and you get some software with it ...

      IBM sell software the same way Apple do ... it's to get you to buy the hardware and support. They could give it away and still make money (but they discovered people would pay good money for it ....)

      This is how to make money selling OpenSource software.... don't sell it, sell stuff to go with it, Hardware, Support, Consultancy etc ...

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    3. Re:what licenses are good for business by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      There are lots of ways to make money outside the software business besides selling hardware, providing support or expertise. If I didn't want to be in the business of writing and selling software I could open a restaurant.

    4. Re:what licenses are good for business by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Neither one is making making money from software they originally wrote. IBM continues to be an attractive company from a CYA point of view ("nobody ever got fired by buying from IBM") and Redhat is the CYA company for Linux.

      It does not matter, they both use the GPL and they both make money. Now if you had asked if they make money from software they program themselves and release as GPL software, I'd have to say I don't know, MySQL does though. Businesses can make money off of GPLed software, but personally for my own programs I'd prefer to use a BSD license.

      Do you think that a software startup should have the goal of becoming the next IBM?

      That depends on the people involved. It's their decision, let them make the choice. So long as the choice is not forced on them or they don't force their decision on others I have no problem.

      Falocon

    5. Re:what licenses are good for business by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      If I didn't want to be in the business of writing and selling software I could open a restaurant.

      I know you didn't say you wanted to , but good luck for those who want to start a restaurant, they are among the hardest and riskiest businesses to start. I loved baking and would spend a weekend baking. I'd bring what I baked to college when I was a student. Some friends said I should start a bakery and I casually looked into it. I found out businesses in the food services arena has one of the highest rates of failure.

      Falcon

    6. Re:what licenses are good for business by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      It was just an example. I actually worked at restaurants in my younger days and didn't enjoy it much. The point is that software development isn't a very good long-term profession if you're in it for the money. Having sacrificed stability for doing what I love, I'm not anxious to shift to support at this late date.

    7. Re:what licenses are good for business by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      It was just an example. I actually worked at restaurants in my younger days and didn't enjoy it much.

      So did I and I didn't like it either. Of course I didn't get to decide what I'd bake or cook. Unlike now, I'm getting ready to cook and can some of what I'm growing in my garden. I've got both acorn and zucchini squash, different types of tomatoes, and onions I still have to pick.

      The point is that software development isn't a very good long-term profession if you're in it for the money.

      You can develop software as a profession still, you just need to find a business that offers service and support to pay you.

      Having sacrificed stability for doing what I love, I'm not anxious to shift to support at this late date.

      Before, I said I wanted to start a photography business. But because of the costs of commercial applications, which I can't afford, I want to develop my own software. If I'm going to spend tyme programming I'd like to be able to sell the programs to make some more money. Because I want to work as a photographer I want to be able to close the source and prevent others from selling, or giving them away, I decided I'd rather use a BSD license over the GPL. I figured I could use and sell the software for a while then open the source of older versions as I make improvements.

      Falcon

  51. Then MS must be relieved by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    Since a non-OS can't compete with Windows.

    1. Re:Then MS must be relieved by Minozake · · Score: 1

      But multiple OSes that use the kernel can.

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    2. Re:Then MS must be relieved by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Not very well if they don't call themselves our cute name Linux. The kernel vs. OS distinction is abstract art to consumers.

    3. Re:Then MS must be relieved by Minozake · · Score: 1

      You mean like this scary thing?

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