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Robots Make the Coins Go 'Round, Down Under

inkslinger77 writes "Computerworld has a cool slideshow of a Kuka Titan robot and a bunch of AGVs managing the circulation of coins at the Australian Mint. There's also a lengthier article where the head of the project talks about the main reason robots were employed. One of the reasons being that they radically reduce OH&S risk: 'We are finding that the AGVs are much safer and more reliable. Robots are never affected by having a bad night with the baby and falling asleep at the wheel. They are extremely accurate and they always do the same task in the same way.'"

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  1. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Australian mint... where you can buy a $1 coin for $2 from a vending machine.

     

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    1. Re:Hrmm by fractoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like a good business to me. Better than the thing in Portland where you put a nickel in the top and crank the handle and you get a squished flat nickel out the bottom.

      ...I wonder what I did with that nickel, anyway? That was like 7 years ago...

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    2. Re:Hrmm by twostix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Worse is buying a $5 dollar silver coin for 35 reserve bank $1 coins where 5 years ago it cost 8 reserve bank $1 coins...

      Our money is becoming worthless.

    3. Re:Hrmm by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      BUT inflation aka printing money is a way for the Printer to tax the users of that currency.

      It's all part of the plan.

      You see the great thing for the USA is the rest of the world uses US dollars to buy and sell stuff like oil, and zillions of other commodities and products. Even amongst themselves. Because of that very many countries end up holding billions or even trillions of US dollars.

      So when the US Federal Reserve lends[1] its friends X trillion US dollars ( and they only need to pay back 'later' when convenient), it's actually a way of taxing everyone else.

      Now the US citizens should be happy if they get their share of the printed money as well, but if they don't they really should do something about it.

      In contrast when Mugabe in Zimbabwe prints money, only the people using Zimbabwe currency are hurt. Which means the rest of the world is mostly unaffected.

      [1] Or allegedly "lose track" of it :).

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8

      http://www.graysonforcongress.com/newsitem.asp?NewsId=90

      http://www.graysonforcongress.com/newsitem.asp?NewsId=91

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    4. Re:Hrmm by BobisOnlyBob · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're still surprisingly popular, although they're usually in tourist spots and require two coins to be placed in: the penny/nickel to squish, and a token fee for operation. Utter ripoff, but nice memorabilia.

    5. Re:Hrmm by JordanL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Federal reserve notes are the only acceptable and legal way to pay taxes.

    6. Re:Hrmm by lammy · · Score: 2, Informative

      On a point of order, it is actually $3 in to get a freshly minted $1 back. (I went there today).

  2. Much more efficient than the old way by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kangaroo pouches are only so big.

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  3. Re:Why don't they hire men? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Robots are never affected by having a bad night with the baby and falling asleep at the wheel.

    I'm not trying to be misogynist here, but should women with very small kids be working? Isn't this exactly the type of thing we should expect the government to try to protect through programs designed to give women time off that they need after having a baby?

    Its not just women who look after the baby you know.

  4. Re:Why don't they hire men? by xquark · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because some men tend to take "a lot" of coffee breaks in their cars, each time taking a shoe full of $1 and $2 coins with them....

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=107801

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  5. I don't believe a word of it... by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Robots also can't tell their neighbors about how much more money the government is printing.

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    1. Re:I don't believe a word of it... by twostix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given that (according to Bernanke) "printing" new money now consists of literally adding zeros to a banks balance digitally workers at the mint aren't going to notice anything until months or years later anyway.

    2. Re:I don't believe a word of it... by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh you're absolutely right. I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But obviously there is some ulterior motive for automating this workforce to such an extent. Hauling around money isn't particularly difficult, dangerous or precision work.

      But it is frightening to think about how much financial engineering has gone on in recent years. Printing money is literally no longer necessary in order to inflate the currency. Credit limits can be increased electronically. Paychecks are direct-deposited. It's just bank balances, like you say.

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    3. Re:I don't believe a word of it... by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh you're absolutely right. I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But obviously there is some ulterior motive for automating this workforce to such an extent.

      No, they're simply trying to be more efficient. You know, like all the other tens of thousands of companies that have automated themselves.

      Hauling around money isn't particularly difficult, dangerous or precision work.

      They're hauling coins around. Drums of them. You know coins, those thing made out of metal. That heavy dense stuff that does bad things if it accidentally falls on your foot, right? Like the summary says it's boring repetitive work and humans aren't really made for that. Machines are.

      I wonder if you're the same type of person who complains about government inefficiency and waste of money. Or do you maybe believe in some sort of quasi-communist system where everyone works and ten people do the job of one guy just to make sure of that?

      But it is frightening to think about how much financial engineering has gone on in recent years. Printing money is literally no longer necessary in order to inflate the currency. Credit limits can be increased electronically. Paychecks are direct-deposited. It's just bank balances, like you say.

      So moving from paper bank balances to electronic balances, with twenty backups including paper, somehow makes things infinitely worse? I mean, you do know that it's all been little figures stored somewhere for well over a century if not longer, right? Go look up the great depression on wikipedia if your history classes were that deficient.

  6. Re:Why don't they hire men? by superdana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not trying to be misogynist here

    Well, you failed, but not because of your comments about work. You seem to be suggesting that when a baby wakes up in the middle of the night, it is beyond comprehension for the baby's father to get up and take care of it.

  7. Re:Why don't they hire men? by voss · · Score: 4, Informative

    The quote is out of context, the article was referring to the safety of robots versus human driven forklifts,
      the gender of the forklift driver is not an issue.

  8. Good morning by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Robots are never affected by having a bad night with the baby and falling asleep at the wheel. They are extremely accurate and they always do the same task in the same way.

    Oh really? So, so...if the rest of the world could only take this brand new revolutionary idea from the Australian mint and apply these "robots" to all kinds of industrial tasks.... oh, wait they already do since about 50 years ago

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    1. Re:Good morning by pete-wilko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what's your point? The banner says 'news for nerds' - this is interesting stuff.

      You know the modern web browser was invented 16 years ago - should we link to mosaic every time a story on FF/IE/Chrome/Safari/Opera comes up?

    2. Re:Good morning by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I laughed at those words for a different reason: it's the kind of nonsense you get from people who have never dealt with robotics before.

      Although accurate, the indicated behaviour of robots is hardly a virtue. If a human kept doing the same task in the same way, regardless of the consequences, we'd call them stupid, and that's exactly what robots are.

      I think von Braun said it best: Using robots is a lot like having a wife. She helps you solve the problems you wouldn't have had if you hadn't gotten married.

       

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  9. Port of Hamburg by seifried · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You think that's interesting check out the port of Hamburg, shipping containers being zipped around on robotic trucks/lifts/etc.

    Terminal Automation

  10. Re:Why don't they hire men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahhh... I thought it was about the gender of the forklift. Now it all makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up!

  11. MySQL password? by commlinx · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if the Australian Federal Police (AFP) setup security for the mint?

    Might try a blank root password and see about getting that robot to do a home delivery.

  12. Re:Why don't they hire men? by twostix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Across most of the people that I know that have had babies the woman still does 90% of the heavy lifting once the baby is born.

    Despite what the cool inner city chattering classes like to believe traditional roles are still absolutely dominant in western society and really have hardly budged in the last 50 years except where financial necessity requires it. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of people (generally from the same cool inner city chattering class) that have bought into the strange ideology of suppressing and heaping scorn on a womans natural motherly instinct.

    So yes while it's accurate to say that "Its not just women who look after the baby you know." for the most part for 90% of couples, it actually is the women who look after the baby and for most they wouldn't have it any other way.

    I'll await the tidal wave of "but they don't know what they want because it's not what I say they should want you patronsing misogynist!!11" (without seeing the hypocrisy of course).

  13. Re:Why don't they hire men? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not trying to be misogynist here

    That doesn't mean you aren't succeeding.

    Do you really think that women are the only people kept up at night by babies?

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  14. Is it just me... by oljanx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or does anyone else think the Australian mint was modeled after a level in Doom? I'll bet if I shot one of those barrels it would take out any nearby imps.

  15. Re:Why don't they hire men? by Swizec · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm one of those people who hates seeing mums with their strollers everywhere as well. But for a different reason, they remind me how I still haven't gone odne a vassectomy and am sexually active ... it's very frustrating this prospect of losing one's whole future to something as silly as two halves of a genome accidentally making a new infinitely replicating (cancerous?) cell.

  16. Re:Why don't they hire men? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2, Funny

    It really doesn't make much difference. If the baby is crying at night (esp. if it sleeps in your room) they your night isn't going to be so great. Trust me! (father of an adorable but sleep-depriving 6 month old baby girl).

    Even without the disrupted nights a baby is going to make you tired since there's no downtime. If mom is feeding and looking after the baby, then guess who's shopping, cooking, washing up and then looking after the baby while mom has a shower, does the laundry, etc, etc?!

  17. Re:Why don't they hire men? by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow. I work with kids on a regular basis and either you're a troll or you've never had experience with kids.

    A good parent interacts with his or her young child ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. It's more than a full time job if you're doing it right. Childrens' minds need constant interaction for their minds to develop properly. It's how they learn to interact with other human beings and otherwise function in society. As children get older, their friends and classmates start to take some of the load off the parents, but that takes years. The first several years of a child's life are critical and the parents are the major influence.

    When I eventually have kids, I will do everything possible to make sure either I or the mother is home for at least the first several years of their lives. Not that it's impossible for a child to be well-adjusted without a full-time parent, but it's certainly harder. I see it all the time; the ones with active parents are, almost across the board, more attentive and better behaved. They tend to get along with other children better, too.

    To summarize: It's not necessarily the physical work (though there's more to that than you're acknowledging). It's the interaction with the child that's important.

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  18. Re:Petrodollars by TheLink · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well it's no longer rated funny :).

    Maybe it's because most US people don't know that Iraq was considered an ally (or at least a useful tool) of the USA before Iraq invaded Kuwait.

    The USA was amongst the many countries supplying Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

    http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout5.php&id=815&blz=1

    After the Iran-Iraq war was over, Saddam even spoke to the US ambassador and complained about Kuwait.

    And the US ambassador (April Glaspie) said: "I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.

    I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 60's. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us? "

    http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html

    After that discussion, how was Saddam to know that the USA would be against them in that war? Don't forget the US actually supported them in their war against Iran.

    So the Iraq-Kuwait war began, and then the USA came and smacked Iraq.

    And this is how the coins go round, out of your pockets and into certain people's pockets :).

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  19. Re:Why don't they hire men? by ebuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't lose your whole life, that's the militant feminist rant talking. Your life changes, that's all.

    Then again, it changes every time there's a major event. Marriage, new job, car crash, theft, death of family member. I've heard a few women complain about losing their life to marriage. While I agree that you lose your former life, that doesn't mean you don't get a new one in return. People complain about losing their life to ailing family members. People complain a lot (human condition).

    Death is the only item where you really lose your life. The rest is what you make out of it. For everyone that weeps a tear for the days of lesser responsibility, there's a person who would never go back to how it was. If you don't want to have a child, that's fine. If you want to not be bothered by someone else, then don't have a child, husband, family, etc. I'm not being facetious, not everyone is cut out to live like everyone else.

    Likening a child to a cancer is just silly, unless I can call you, your parents, your bothers, and sisters cancers. In that case, you've mis-defined cancer; we all call that life.

    The irony is that children are the only future which really will keep you in mind after you are gone. Eventually that won't last, but if you want a longer future than the one you will experience, you need to put your stamp on things that will outlast you.

  20. SCV by Froboz23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    SCV reportin' for duty!

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