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China Jails Four For Microsoft XP Piracy

adeelarshad82 writes "Chinese court has jailed four people for spreading their bootleg 'Tomato Garden' version of Microsoft's Windows XP program, in what the Xinhua news agency called the nation's biggest software piracy case. One of the four men Hong Lei, the creator of the downloadable 'Tomato Garden Windows XP' software, was jailed for three and a half years by a court in Suzhou in eastern China, Xinhua."

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  1. Use Linux by dedazo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously. I'm not one to loudly advocate using Linux on the desktop, but if it's a choice between jail and Linux... choose Linux. Use WINE if there's something you can't do without.

    (I was going to make a Soviet Russia/Communist China joke here but I decided not to)

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    1. Re:Use Linux by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      well said- MS may be hurting its self big time by cracking down on the pirates- its probably the easiest way they could have created an MS centric Chinese software market. Now people have a better reason to use FOSS based OSes than under a Chinese Windows pirating culture.

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    2. Re:Use Linux by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am unsure how much MS wants this crackdown. I think the government wants to clean up the piracy, because they can see clearly how invasive and pervasive Windows is. Red Flag Linux is the official operating system of Red Flagged China.

      And, the crackdown WILL benefit China. No money being sent to the western Capitalist Pigs, for starters - not even for legal copies. People who are forced away from MS holding their hands (Hail, Clippy!) will be forced to learn how an operating system works - thereby creating more potential hackers to attack the Pentagon. China gains in their own security - there just aren't a lot of virus and trojan infections running on Linux.

      Gates is on record, favoring piracy of MS Products over legal acquisitions of *nix: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micropiracy9

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    3. Re:Use Linux by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Informative

      These aren't 4 random guys pirating Windows for their own use, so your suggestion to just use Linux isn't relevant. These assholes were trying to be 1337. From TFA:

      Hong "created the Tomato Garden version of the Windows XP," which crippled the program's authentication and certification barriers, said Xinhua, allowing users unrestricted access to the popular Microsoft software. Millions of Internet users then had free access to the software on a website, tomatolei.com, which made its earnings from advertisements on the site, it said.

      I think 3,5 years (and 2 years for 2 others) for maliciously ripping off someone else's work and distributing it is quite mild by China's standards. Hell with the current laws it might be mild by US standards.

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    4. Re:Use Linux by fyoder · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hong "created the Tomato Garden version of the Windows XP," which crippled the program's authentication and certification barriers, said Xinhua, allowing users unrestricted access to the popular Microsoft software.

      Huh? Isn't crippling crippling like a double negative? In effect they uncrippled it allowing unrestricted access to the software, something that paying customers don't even get. I think they're on to something. Microsoft should take note.

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    5. Re:Use Linux by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

      But, it will run fine in virtualbox, using the asio4all driver inside the VM. FLStudio will too, for that matter - though the GUI takes a bit more CPU than it normally would.

      You still need a copy of windows however :/

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    6. Re:Use Linux by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Huh? Isn't crippling crippling like a double negative? In effect they uncrippled it allowing unrestricted access to the software, something that paying customers don't even get. I think they're on to something. Microsoft should take note.

      Hah - you might want to remember the last guy who uncrippled the crippled. It's generally frowned upon by the powers that be.

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    7. Re:Use Linux by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work in IT, and I can tell you that most people don't even know what an OS is. All they see is a computer that lets them type in Word or go on Facebook.

      The problem with trying to move people to Linux is always compatibility. It's much better than it used to be thanks to Open Office Word document support and a selection of good web browsers, but you still can't just go out and buy Photoshop or a game and expect it to work. I know there are free alternatives, but people are trained at work or college to use a particular program. You cannot underestimate the number of people who know what steps are needed to do something on a computer but are not clued up enough to figure out how to do the same thing in another app.

      Again, OO is good because it looks and feels almost exactly like Word 2003, and as more apps move to the web it will continue to improve. You have to be realistic about moving the general public over to Linux though.

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    8. Re:Use Linux by wampus · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is this Linux you speak about? I've never heard of it before. Do you have a link or something?

  2. Big nothing. by Kuano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So let me get this straight. The largest piracy case ever in the largest country in the world with the most piracy in the world included 4 people?

    1. Re:Big nothing. by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Funny

      So let me get this straight. The largest piracy case ever in the largest country in the world with the most piracy in the world included 4 people?

      Yes. It's a shame. My heart really goes out to Microsoft on this one. I mean, the amount of disillusionment they must be feeling right now must be unbearable. All those years of fighting for justice and trying to make a good product and this is what they get? It's like a slap in the face. A real shame. It's like China doesn't give a rat's ass whether Microsoft turns a profit in their country or not, or any other American software company. I tell you what, I'm not going to buy Chinese products any more if they are going to treat American software producers like this. What a farce!

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    2. Re:Big nothing. by adolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's OK -- you'll likely be buying Chinese stuff anyway.

      I bought a new thermostat for my car today from the local big-chain auto parts store. A quality Stant unit, at a quality price. Printed on the box it said "Made in USA" in about six different languages, but on the thermostat itself, stamped right into the metal, were the words "Made in China."

      I'd have returned it, on this basis alone, but it was the only thermostat in stock in this town which would work with my old BMW, and I needed to get it fixed today.

    3. Re:Big nothing. by PsychicX · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think you quite understand. These people didn't go to some torrent site and download Windows. They took Windows XP, built an illicit distribution with the activation bits etc removed, and sent that around -- probably for money. IOW, they enabled millions of other people to run stolen copies of Windows XP, possibly without even realizing it (third rate vendors have a nasty habit of using these bootleg Windows copies on their machines).

    4. Re:Big nothing. by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Funny

      Printed on the box it said "Made in USA"

      They were talking about the box.

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    5. Re:Big nothing. by vintagepc · · Score: 2, Informative

      The exact same thing happens with DVDs. You'll have vendors selling them for the equivalent of about $1 US, and they are all bootleg- nary impossible to find an original DVD.

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    6. Re:Big nothing. by SL+Baur · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On top of that, China in my opinion has a terrible reputation for allowing these things to happen and turning a blind eye.

      Hey, when per capita yearly income is in the US$100s, how much demand do think there is for Microsoft Windows (or anything else) at a substantial percentage of that?

      Sentencing these people to a few years jail time signals to others that they can't be quite so blatant about their piracy anymore, as China is changing their stance on it.

      It's a slap on the wrist and probably the result of some kind of deal.

      When I worked for Turbolinux in the early 2000s we sold to 3 markets - Japan, China and the US. In Japan we were #1 for awhile due to all the proprietary goodies we could attach to the system. China was #2 and US was #3. I don't think Turbo ever turned a profit in the US.

      I spent a week in 2001 in Beijing with the Chinese office as we were working on getting the price point below US$10 per retail sale. That's still rather expensive.

    7. Re:Big nothing. by Migity · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's right. You're a proud owner of a box made in the US. Don't tell me you just went and threw it away?!

  3. Re:interesting by lonefolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe their worried about upholding US copyrights because we make their firewall software...

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  4. Tomato garden by jack2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is actually a veggie mafia thing. See the Tomatoes were getting uppity and the Corn boss had them canned....

  5. just to say that we do uphold them by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    just to say that we do uphold them

  6. Re:Their Biggest One? Really? by ubrgeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    > I think your search method could use a little refining there
    Yeah, next time try Bing ;)

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  7. Because they're about to start writing software by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the big bosses in the party have a lot of industries that they run. They're probably realizing that:

    1) Intellectual Property and Copyright laws are becoming acceptable in most of the world

    2) Pretty soon they won't be just manufacturing things, they will be designing and selling Chinese ideas on foreign soil.

    Sorry, but hardly anyone America can compel anyone in China to do anything. They are in their second millennium of being a civilization. They are stockpiling oil, uranium, and millions of tons of other raw materials with all of the American dollars they have. They will be the major economy of the 21st Century, no matter what we do. They are probably looking into the future, and realizing they will have no legal pretext to sue or invade if we start pirating their technology, unless they start obeying the "law" now.

    1. Re:Because they're about to start writing software by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Interesting

      realizing they will have no legal pretext to sue or invade if we start pirating their technology, unless they start obeying the "law" now.

      I didn't think China needed a legal reason to do whatever it wants outside of its borders... especially if it indeed does become the dominant economy on the planet... presumably that entails the strongest military and really if they wanted to invade some country at that point there probably wouldn't be much the world would do about it.

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    2. Re:Because they're about to start writing software by copponex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Colonial powers have always had some sort of excuse or pretext. It's not necessary for the victims of their empires - they usually know what's going on - it's so that their internal populations are on board with the operation.

      The "because we want to" method hasn't worked well since the 60s, and it never hurts to have a more believable excuse for sending a generation of children to fight and die in a foreign land.

    3. Re:Because they're about to start writing software by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are in their second millennium of being a civilization.

      Second millennium? More like fifth or sixth.

      In lieu of a car analogy, I offer the following:

      Just imagine what things would be like in Egypt if the Egyptians still wrote with hieroglyphics and worshipped at temples dedicated to Ra and company... and that the Pharaohs had been overthrown only within the last century or so.

      Now substitute "China/Chinese" for "Egypt/Egyptian", "ideograms" for "hieroglyphics", "Shangdi" for "Ra and Co.", and "Chinese Emperors" for "Pharaohs".

      That's China.

      China is beyond "old"; it was already old when the Romans kicked out Tarquin the Proud.

      Most Westerners -- especially Americans, for whom "ancient" means "more than 250 years ago" -- simply do not get this.

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    4. Re:Because they're about to start writing software by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Informative

      You left out:

      rice cultivation

      movable type

      chopsticks (and the fork)

      bells

      booze

      silk

      kite (and the hang glider)

      rotary fan

      porcelain

      use of natural gas

      tea

      and heaps more things

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    5. Re:Because they're about to start writing software by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      booze

      This one surprised me - I thought the earliest known alcoholic beverages were beers brewed in Egypt. Checking your Wikipedia link confirmed this; they invented a process for making stronger beer (more than 4-5%), they didn't invent booze.

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  8. Windows XP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whew! Good thing they're starting to crack down on this copyright infringement. Wouldn't want it to cut into sales of this no-longer-available product.

  9. Tomato Garden? by cffrost · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suspect that China came down on these four not for distributing their counterfeit "Tomato Garden" version per se, but for their failure to supply the proper MSDN VLK "Corporate" Professional edition.

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  10. Misleading summary! by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe there is an error in the translation; the ideogram for "piracy" is very close to the one for "massive pile of stinking shit", and therefore, the headline should actually read: "China jails four for still Using IE6"

  11. Business feasibility by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend of mine has been doing business as a foreign company in china for a few years.

    He is very matter of fact about it. You build into your budget, the kickback amounts.

    I have thought about this a bit, and the attutide is somewhat akin to the tipping/no tipping cultures. I spent time in the US and once I accepted tipping I saw it was a better system. Without kickbacks/bribes you just cannot operate as a foreign company. A kickback is almost regarded as a tip in China.

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    1. Re:Business feasibility by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that given a choice between sickness and health, everyone should be free and able to choose health without severe personal consequence.

      Even you. Or Joe the bum. Or anyone else.

      That's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

  12. Re:Sounds Good by Sulphur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you ever been to a sewage plant, and seen the tomatoes they grow there?

  13. srsly by grrrl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    so making MONEY from setting up a business distributing copies of XP you altered intentionally and distribute to millions gets your 3 1/2 years but downloading a few songs for personal use gets you whacked with millions in damages which will cripple your life?

  14. Tomato Garden Windows XP? Never heard of it before by consumer_whore · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm going to download this to find out what all this hubub is about. Anyone have a torrent?

  15. Re:Sounds Good by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someone in Taiwan who's familiar with such things said criminal accusations are inherently political. Pretty much all politicians are corrupt and The Party controls the courts. Best way to get rid of a rival is to denounce them for corruption. Interestingly it's not the verdict of the court case that shows they are finished, the fact that the case was not blocked is enough. Actually if you can even read about a potential case you know they are finished, because if they had a chance the coverage would have been censored. E.g. Li Peng

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Peng#Alleged_Corruption

    As the findings of the investigation leaked to the general Chinese public, the Chinese government took an unexpected stand. As victims (including some influential social citizens of Beijing) of New Nation Great Co. angrily demonstrated outside the Zhongnanhai more than a dozen times, hold up the banners that claim "Li Peng return the money to us from your son", none of the demonstrations were dispersed and none of the demonstrators were arrested. Each time, the Chinese government only sent police to watch the demonstrators and did nothing else. As the information of the investigation was leaked and circulated on the Internet, it was not immediately censored; instead, it was allowed to circulate for quite some time before the eventual ban, and none of the domestic Chinese Web sites that published the info were shut down by the Chinese governmental censorship. However, the Chinese government did not respond to the victims' and public demands either. China analysts postulate such an unusual move by the Chinese government served several purposes, including pressuring Li Peng to retire from his post of chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress when he reached the age limit, as well as putting a distance between Li Peng and the government itself for the future leadership. Whatever the reason, the investigation results concerning corruption charges of Li Peng's family that leaked to the public, was tolerated by the Chinese government for a short period of time, and certainly made Li Peng and his family become more unpopular than ever among the general Chinese populace.

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  16. Re:Sounds Good by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jailing people due to copyright infringement is never due to justice. I'd guess they stepped on the wrong toes, forgot to bribe the wrong official.

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  17. Re:Sounds Good by Tobenisstinky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These men are probably "being mad examples of" scapegoats if you will. Yes, they're probably guilty, but it's just a drop in the bucket from what I've read. The Chinese government just wants to look like it's doing something about piracy.

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