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Open Source Russian Vacuum Fluorescent Tube Clock

ptorrone writes "Hacker extraordinaire Ladyada (whose open source hardware projects we have discussed before) has just published a complete how-to, with design document, on making your own open source Russian vacuum fluorescent clock. The vacuum fluorescent tubes aren't as dangerous as (high-voltage) Nixie tubes, and there seem to be more of them available in the world. If you're not interested in building a clock from scratch, you can also pick up a kit version. All the schematics, source code, and files are available on the project's page."

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  1. It has software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've built Nixie clocks, and there shouldn't be any software involved at all. You can get clock ICs cheaply enough, a microprocessor is overkill for this kind of project.

    1. Re:It has software? by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but it's hackable and they even saved a few bucks by using the microcontroller to create the HV to run the tube.
      The microcontroller is an atmega168, just like what's in the Arduino but I didn't see if it was straight C or Arduino code.

      LoB

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    2. Re:It has software? by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what if I want to add a stopwatch or countdown timer mode to it? Or make it count in an alternate base or time system?

    3. Re:It has software? by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or cowbell.

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    4. Re:It has software? by ladyada · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you read the design document, schematic and source you'll see theres a lot more in there than just a counter. theres day calculator, date, alarm, low power mode, RTC, HV boost, menu system with configuration, etc etc. a $2.50 microprocessor isnt overkill when you consider its doing -everything- except drive the HV VFD.

    5. Re:It has software? by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's called a schematic or circuit diagram. It isn't "the source."

      It's not the source *code*.

      There are "open source" beers and colas. This is in that same vein. Making a big fuss over the word "source" is a bit silly.

    6. Re:It has software? by digitalunity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Open Source has grown beyond just a description of software, it's an ideology too.

      And indeed, if we were talking about Verilog or VHDL, indeed, the "schematic" might just be little different from source.

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  2. Re:And this is worth buidling because.. ???? by Flaming+Cowpie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because most people don't the skills needed to actually build it. Go back to your corner.

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  3. building from old parts by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A long time ago I redirected my child interest in destroying and rebuilding electronics to tinkering with virtual constructs.

    So I shouldn't be interested in "hardware hacking"; however, too many hours of fallout, too many zombie movies and too many post apocaliptic novels have given me a degree of interest in that part of the engineering poetry.

    Time to go find an open source rifle made from old car parts.

  4. Re:And this is worth buidling because.. ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most people don't the skills to write.

  5. Quite neat, actually. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, LadyAda is awesome. I really don't need to say any more than that.

    I've been wanting to make something like this for a while now. A year or two ago, I bought a big box of the same old Soviet 'vacuum fluorescent indicator' tubes, but I was always having trouble working out the hardware involved, especially the power supply. Using a boost converter is a great idea which might have occurred to me if I had had any experience with them at the time. (Other projects have since taken priority)

    My enclosure design wasn't quite as...ah, 'conservative' as a nice simple laser-cut plexiglass box though :) http://media.giantpachinkomachineofdoom.com/blog/2008-06/images/clockwip3.png

    Now I'm going to have to take another try at it! :D

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    1. Re:Quite neat, actually. by bitrex · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're not rare in Soviet Russia! Joking aside, these VFDs are not that rare. Like some kind of state-sponsored labor monster run amuck, these (and all kinds of other vacuum tubes) were produced by the trainload during the heyday of the Cold War. They can now be picked up for a few dollars on eBay from sellers in Russia and the former Soviet republics. Of course the US produced its fair share of tubes as well, but the vacuum tube era seems to have lasted much longer in Eastern Europe than here (particularly in military applications), and lots of the common NOS tubes in the US have been used up in guitar and stereo amps. In the strange world of vintage vacuum electronics it is often the more exotic looking items covered in Cyrillic that are cheap and cheerful, and the US and UK parts that are rare and coveted.

      It would be interesting to know what product these VFD tubes were initially intended for; maybe they were used in calculators given the number of digits. The US pretty much jumped directly from Nixies and Numitrons right to LEDs and LCDs, but I'm betting that in Eastern Europe the adoption of LED technology was more slow and there needed to be a display technology to fill the gap. I think my suspicions may be correct given this eBay aucion where a Russian manufactured VFD clock is for sale - the description says it supposedly was manufactured in 1982 when a similar product in the US would be LED for sure.

    2. Re:Quite neat, actually. by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have a look at Ponoko - they're great for making one-off items, like this case, from all sorts of laser-cut materials. I'm not affiliated with Ponoko, just a happy customer. Looking at the design of the case, if it wasn't laser-cut, it should have been - a case like that would be trivial to get sorted out with the precision of laser cutting...

  6. Cute, but how about this. by lurcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IMHO this has more geek points.

    1. Re:Cute, but how about this. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know, man. The old IV-18 tubes are really wicked looking. You have a cylindrical glass vacuum tube, and inside it is a slab of glass with 7-segment digit phosphors, shiny silver traces, and extremely tiny, thin hexagonal grids infront of each digit. So, it basically looks like a glowing blue digital readout 'suspended' in a thin glass envelope.

      There's also the IV-27 which is larger and 13 digits instead of 8, and the IV-21 (I think it's 21) which is a tiny version of the IV-18.

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    2. Re:Cute, but how about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IMHO this has more geek points.

      I see your bet, and I raise you one nixie clock built in a bottle.

  7. Re:And this is worth buidling because.. ???? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a gadget that is cool (from a geek point of view), that you can make yourself (provided you have the skills, you should as a geek), that makes other geeks go "ooooooh" in envy and awe, that glows in flurescent blue (that by itself is already enough) and you dismiss it as something you wouldn't want.

    Please drop your geek card in the shredder by the door on your way out, will ya?

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  8. or... by lxs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You could just rip the clock out of an old VCR.

  9. "Open Source" hardware by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure that the "Open Source" moniker has any relevance to hardware projects like this. In software, the "source code" is the actual raw material that a complied application is made of. In hardware, the "source" is physical electronic components.

    I guess you could call the freely-available plans and schematics "the source" but that doesn't make much sense, because without hardware components, you can't compile it into a working device. So the term doesn't really apply, especially as we've had freely available electronic schematics for decades, and nobody ever called them "open source." This terminology just seems to be a way to seem cool and trendy.

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    1. Re:"Open Source" hardware by SlashWombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Truth is, how much simpler can electronics (and programming) get than a clock ... The basic "algorithm" once you get your reference frequency low enough (... generally 1 Hertz) is -> divide by 60 = seconds, divide by 60 = minutes, divide by 12 (or 24 if you prefer) = hours. Using a micro, you put the divides in an interrupt routine. You can chose to display at the end of the interrupt, or in the main loop.

      I have seen (smart) 12 year olds build digital clocks using the relevant TTL/CMOS dividers, with the displays being either LED or Nixie tubes. (The difference between LED or Nixie is in the type of display driver chip.)

      However, I wish the authors well. Don't see many people building anything electronic these days, probably because the price of consumer electronics is way lower than the price of just the parts! (IE: DVD player for under $20 is just one common item ... couldn't even make the case for that in any western country.)

    2. Re:"Open Source" hardware by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I respectfully disagree.

      RMS himself, the holy fanatic of free software, has compared swapping code to swapping recipes for cooking.

      Open source and by extension free software is about unrestricted access to the instructions for making something. If this something is a computer program, a piece of hardware, a meal, a knitted sweater or a bottle rocket is irrelevant.

      Granted, the term open source as understood by this community is most often applied to software. But the open source model can be successfully applied to any instructions that can be shared and improved upon. I dare you to dig a little, there is a lot more of this "open source" stuff out there than software.

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  10. Oh come on, get a clue. by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had a digital watch in 1979 that could do a stopwatch and day of the week. Do you honestly think it had a programmed CPU in it? It was all hardwired TTL logic on a single chip. You can do quite a lot with hardware alone - ask the creators of Pong.

    1. Re:Oh come on, get a clue. by Thoughts+from+Englan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fair point but the beauty of using a microcontroler is that you can reconfigure the system to specific needs without having to redesign the hardware every time. This is pretty much what microprocessors were intended for until various people thought "Hey I can make a general purpose machine out of these"

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    2. Re:Oh come on, get a clue. by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microcontroller? about a buck
      Open source clock firmware? free
      1970s era TTL clock chips? good luck finding those (and the displays they're designed to drive) on eBay...


      You can do a lot with hardware alone, it's just not usually an efficient use of time, board space, power, or money anymore.

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  11. Which brings me to the question... by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

    The vacuum fluorescent tubes aren't as dangerous as (high-voltage) Nixie tubes

    Why not? Can nothing be done to correct this?

  12. Over half the "female" geeks are men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Has anyone else noticed that actual female geeks are outnumbered by trannies? linuxchix.org is all ex-men, not an actual born woman as far as the eye can see. Yeah, that's how to fix gender imbalance: declare the men as women. And you thought it was a const, not a variable.

  13. Wheres the nuke? by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what happened to the nuke that was sitting behind the timer.

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  14. Re:A few glitches in the vodka by ladyada · · Score: 2, Informative

    the PWM is hardware controlled and there's a WDT its as reliable as any 'off the shelf' chip...even 555's latch up if set up wrong ;)

  15. Re:Low-power RTC by ladyada · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup! If you look at the schematics or design document you will see how this works - its described in detail there but basically: If power is unplugged, the microcontroller kills the display and runs at 50uA off of a coin cell for a couple of weeks until power is restored. the low power RTC is used when theres a blackout or the clock is moved, etc. Its a big pet peeve, all clocks should do this!

  16. Re:A few glitches in the vodka by ladyada · · Score: 2, Informative

    it is firmware controlled but its set once, its not like an interrupt has to go off at the exact right time. AVRs are pretty good about not freaking out as long as you have BOD set and a WDT (which it does). also, to make the clock display brightness adjustable you cant just use an RC oscillator...how would you set the PWM duty cycle? could it *possibly* screw up? sure. just like logic chips sometimes die or glitch. but its not medical equipment, theres no interlocks, its a DIY desk clock kit in a plastic enclosure.

  17. The all tube digital clock. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's not retro; it has a CPU in it. Look at this all vacuum tube digital clock where all the logic is tubes. 103 tubes.