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FCC Declares Intention To Enforce Net Neutrality

Unequivocal writes "The FCC chairman, Julius Genachowski, told Congress today that the 'Federal Communications Commission plans to keep the Internet free of increased user fees based on heavy Web traffic and slow downloads. ...Genachowski... told The Hill that his agency will support "net neutrality" and go after anyone who violates its tenets. "One thing I would say so that there is no confusion out there is that this FCC will support net neutrality and will enforce any violation of net neutrality principles," Genachowski said when asked what he could do in his position to keep the Internet fair, free and open to all Americans. The statement by Genachowski comes as the commission remains locked in litigation with Comcast. The cable provider is appealing a court decision by challenging the FCC's authority to penalize the company for limiting Web traffic to its consumers.' It looks like the good guys are winning, unless the appeals court rules against the FCC."

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  1. Let me say.... by iamsolidsnk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I did not see this one coming....

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    1. Re:Let me say.... by Tenareth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a simple tactic. Get people thinking you are in charge of the Internet by "protecting it". Once people take it as an unwritten rule that you are the police of the Internet, you can do whatever you want.

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    2. Re:Let me say.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is good news and I hope the FCC sticks to it, I enjoy Netflix streaming too much to lose it because Comcast decides to throttle back my connection in an effort to force me to buy their more expensive services that offer less.

    3. Re:Let me say.... by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that those private companies are already monopolies due to the infrastructure agreements they have with the government. If they control the pipes, there can't be a meaningful "fight for my dollars and patronage." In the absence of a working market, regulation has to appear to keep things reasonable.

    4. Re:Let me say.... by joocemann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting. I can give you an example where my argument finds a parallel that you (unless completely insane) might understand.

      In this country the majority of our roads are public. I do not forsee our local, state, and federal governments allowing corporate interests to purchase and control every one of these roads. But if they did, I'm sure you would be quite apalled to see how private/capitalist influences affect your life.

      I see net neutrality as a prevention of corporate interests limiting your abilities and access while (and as we see in most oligopolies) forming unwritten agreements amongst 'competitors' in such a way that they operate quite the same and never truly compete. Oil companies don't compete. Telecoms don't compete. Sure, it looks like a free market, but in reality they're all looking at each other and grinning. You have to be a complete idiot not to see that.

      And while the majority of major media outlets are largely owned by corporate interests, and their messages spewing the biases they want you to believe -- the internet serves to be the only place where a true variety of content and information can be accessed. I truly fear the day that the information I can access is limited to the business contracts my ISP has, and I have no other choices because all of my ISPs act just like every other player in oligopoly-run systems.

      I completely recommend the book "Snow Crash" to you. It is a great book, and the theme of the book is the epitome of capitalism/free-market where large corporations actually own what we currently think of as neighborhoods and counties, jails are franchise businesses, etc etc... it truly paints an interesting and yet scary picture as to what pure capitalism does for people.

      Remember, capitalism is an 'ism' for money. That means your focus is on money. When you put money over people, you've disrespected those people. Call it what you like, but I think selfishness and lack of respect are the presently greatest flaws of human cultures. When you've matured past the simple-minded capitalist views and ignorant faith for corporatism, maybe you'll realize how petty it is when your ferrari doesn't follow you to the grave .... maybe 5 starving children could have had healthier meals growing up.... bagh.. fuckem, right? The shitty thing is, the people who care about communities care about you despite how little you care about your community. And that can only be described as compassion-parasitism.

      Think about what truly matters, and if it has anything to do with money--- your mind is sick.

    5. Re:Let me say.... by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope you see the irony in desiring open ears while dismissing someone who disagrees with you as blind and ignorant.

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    6. Re:Let me say.... by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The media companies forgot to pay the FCC.

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  2. Careful what you wish for... by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of source and destination", then GOOD.

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of protocol", then BAD.

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    1. Re:Careful what you wish for... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can understand prioritizing some protocols, in the manner in which Wondershaper does on my own computer. Interactive web applications take priority - basically, browsing and gaming. Torrents and downloads are automagically throttled JUST ENOUGH to allow the interactive stuff to go through first.

      The ISP's practice of throttling torrents to some arbitrary value that might be as low as 1% of capacity is BS.

      The customer who starts a torrent early in the morning sees that his download rate should finish the torrent in 6 hours expects to see the torrent completed when he gets home. If it takes 6.5 or 7 hours, no big deal. 10 hours might be mildly annoying. But, if he gets home, and the client says that ETA is 1 week and 19 hours, there is a serious problem. Such arbitrary throttling should never take place.

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    2. Re:Careful what you wish for... by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I can understand prioritizing some protocols
      I'm all for it - as long as I'm the one setting the priorities. All the ISP should do is provide a pipe, and enforce bandwidth limits and quality of service as specified in our service level agreement. I don't want them sticking their hands in my traffic and deciding what to do with it.

  3. Re:Cue complaints by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    of course the government would never have had any part in creating these massive corporate horrors like say local monopolies would they?... /sarcasm

    prosecute fraud [as an example, unlimited isn't] and end the local monopolies and most of the problem should go away. the actions of these companies wouldn't likely be tolerated were there any choice for the internet user in the matter.

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  4. Re:Cue complaints by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, to be fair this does seem like the kind of thing that should be established in, you know, a law or act or something. Not just one commission saying, "We've decided this is illegal now and will enforce it". I'd much rather see this on the books as a semi-permanent change, rather than something that will be easily reversed when the political winds change direction.

  5. Foundational concept by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every so often, a foundational concept comes along that could affect development for decades or centuries hence. The concept of "network neutrality" is one of these.

    Just imagine the future possibilities:

    On one hand, you have a future where you can never be sure what's really "out there", where there are huge swaths of information that you simply can't access, not because you or the information owner have any disagreement, but because some third party that you don't even know has determined that you shouldn't or couldn't see it. In this world, many sites are slowed to the point of unusability simply because your carrier doesn't want to have to compete with them when they offer a similar service. Quality suffers due to the lack of open competition.

    On the other extreme, we have a future in which the Internet consists of the "world of ends" so charmingly envisioned by Doc Searls and David Weinberger. In this world, every information provider competes on fairly level turf with everybody else. Services that are genuinely better are allowed to win out solely on their merits, and not on their competitive associations. Quality of service continues to progress at a lightning pace, friction for improvements is low, so the best man truly does win.

    Some people would say this is esoteric, that it's not about the "real world". But these people miss the fact that in the world of the future, the Internet will be the primary means of communication around the world. Already we see whole industries being consumed and integrated into the Internet. I no longer have cable, no television antenna sits on my roof, since Hulu + Netflix does everything I ever asked of my satellite dish and then some. I no longer have a phone line, since Vonage lets me do what I wish, anywhere I like for less. I basically don't send letters anymore, Email does the job faster, better, and cheaper. It's easier for me to do my banking electronically than it is to drive downtown to the nearest bank branch.

    The world of the future is the Internet. And it's up to us, our generation, to see that this gorgeous technology is established with social norms and laws that allow us to use it to its maximum potential. This is our time. SAY YES TO NETWORK NEUTRALITY, AS LOUDLY AND OFTEN AS YOU CAN.

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    1. Re:Foundational concept by Eil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On one hand, you have a future where you can never be sure what's really "out there", where there are huge swaths of information that you simply can't access, not because you or the information owner have any disagreement, but because some third party that you don't even know has determined that you shouldn't or couldn't see it.

      I've always maintained that the opposite of net neutrality is censorship. Simply put, net neutrality and the establishment of ISPs as carriers of information rather than producers, filters, or surveyors will be every single bit as important to freedom in western civilization as free speech.

      And before someone goes Mr. Pedantic on me, note that "censorship" is literally defined as the act or ability to censor. Other entities besides the government can censor information and ISPs would be the perfect example.

    2. Re:Foundational concept by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like net neutrality as a concept, e.g. i don't want Comcast blocking my port 25, but on the other hand there will eventually have to be some use-based pricing because transfer does cost money. So if networks don't impose some usage caps or use QoS to provide multiple tiers, then we're just going to end up with metered service (like water, power, gas, phones and cell phones)... and that's going to hurt enthusiasts just as much if not more.

      I pay another $10/month to have my bandwidth upgraded from 1.5 Mb to 3.0 Mb. In neither case is network neutrality even on the RADAR. Connection speed and/or bandwidth is NOT a net neutrality issue, so please don't waste all our time and bring it up as if it were.

      Network neutrality is the idea that all valid packets are equal. Nothing more, nothing less.

      If you are a carrier, you don't discriminate against a data packet because it appears to contain VOIP. You don't discriminate against a data packet because it comes from a company that you compete with. You don't discriminate against a packet because it's originator didn't pay their "protection money" this month. You don't use "traffic shaping" to make end services you offer "behave better" than other services from other networks.

      That's a no-no.

      Keep the network stupid - it's a world of ends and that's what it needs to be. And please, for the love of god, if you haven't clicked on the link at the beginning of this paragraph, PLEASE DO SO so you have some idea what network neutrality actually is, mmmkay?

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  6. Re:Wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    s/Democrats/individuals/;
    s/Republicans/idiots/;

    And you have a post that's non-partisan, and yet still true!
    Note: I don't mean to imply that Republicans are idiots. I do mean to imply that Bush and Cheney are.

  7. Re:Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would generally agree, but would point out two things:

    1) if you intend to run servers etc, a business package may well be more for you, since the ISP probably won't restrict that so much - you get what you pay for, and if you pay for a generic consumer package that's what you'll get
    2) It helps to block mail server ports for most people to stop people unwittingly becoming part of a spam botnet. The benefits of the blocking more than outweigh the downsides of a few geeks being inconvenienced.

  8. Re:Wait a second... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >Is it April 1st?

    No, this is what happens when you vote in competent Democrats to run things instead of Republicans like Bush and Cheney.

    I agree. Democrats have consistently stood up for the little guy:

    I think it's time to wake up. Both the Republican and Democratic parties are deeply, deeply corrupt.

  9. Re:Cue complaints by Yaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember when the US built out the electrical grid? Or when it built the interstate system? Or when it sent people to the moon? What a bunch of failures.

  10. Re:Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by kindbud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) if you intend to run servers etc, a business package may well be more for you, since the ISP probably won't restrict that so much - you get what you pay for, and if you pay for a generic consumer package that's what you'll get.

    That's fine. Just don't refer to the "generic consumer package" with blocked ports and redirects as unlimited Internet access. If I am connected to the Internet, I expect to be able to connect and be connected to as I wish, because that's what the Internet is. Call it the Comcast Walled Garden Online Package instead, because that's what it is.

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  11. Re:Cue complaints by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Better yet, let's review the FCC's anti-public good performance going back to the mid-90s. FCC has consistently worked on behalf of private interests to the harm of the public.

    The FCC under Clinton did as much damage to the public as the FCC under Bush. Just looking at the FCC's most recent failures, I am not optimistic about FCC doing anything in the public good regarding net neutrality. At best, we'll get some immediate treat that will keep consumers happy in the interim at the cost of a loss of consumer rights further down the road.

  12. Re:Cue complaints by Psyborgue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Roads are mentioned in the constitution as is the post office. I figure if the founders were alive today and rewrote the thing they would probably include the internet given that it's the modern equivalent. Normally i'm against regulation and would say "let the market decide" but there are some areas that only have one provider with no competition. Since the internet is such a necessary thing at this stage I think it's necessary to ensure people have open roads and that their mail is not opened or given preferential treatment based on a commercial sender/reciever. Net Neutrality makes sense constitutionally.

  13. Re:I guess Canada should be on watch by ChoboMog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Canada doesn't give two shits about what the FCC has to say about net neutrality.

    Agreed. The FCC decision means nothing if the CRTC doesn't also see the light. Then again, this could be one time where our current governent's habbit, of blindly following US policy as a foundation for our own, could actually benefit us....

  14. FCC to loose court case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a pretty good sign that the FCC expects to loose it's court case. It's a common tactic up here in Cananada, say you plan on doing one thing, and then wait for the courts to tie your hands to stop you. (That way you win all the support, and it's not your fault when you don't have to do it)

  15. How does this grant you freedom? by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It gives me the choice to choice a competitor without having my connection artificially slowed down. If I as a ComCast customer can choice to use a video download service other than ComCast's own service, then I have more freedom. If instead of using ComCast's phone service I choice another, I have more freedom. Or if instead of viewing ComCast's preferred political messages I can view others I have more freedom.

    You haven't gained any freedom, what's happened is a private corporation has lost freedom to more government regulation, and I don't see how anyone could think that this is a surprising thing.

    BS!!! I have gained more choices than either putting up with ComCast or going without. If you want to live in a world where one entity controls what you can see then Cuba's 90 miles from Florida.

    Falcon

  16. Re:Two-edged sword by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are right, but what is missing is an alternative solution. We could avoid this all together if we had competition for broadband providers. Then, the market would (in theory) favor network neutrality.

    But, the problem with that is
    - Politicians aren't smart enough to figure that out
    - Network neutrality is too important to trust to the market

    Let me clarify that last item. Network neutrality is as vital as the first amendment. Without it, Comcast customers might click on the FCC link and see a page that says "The FCC has decided that network neutrality is currently being enforced just fine, and the FCC will not get involved." We are in a new and strange world - where one person could read a newspaper and see one thing, and another user could go to read that same newspaper, but there is someone secretly standing between them and the page right in front of them, who can change the article. That slippery slope is more dangerous than the slippery slope that the FCC brings.

    For every person like me, there's probably 5000 people who would say "who cares if Comcast/Cox/Whoever changes those boring news articles? I can download my music/porn/games twice as fast!" So I would prefer to see the FCC get involved, rather than not.

  17. Re:Cue complaints by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Normally i'm against regulation and would say "let the market decide" but there are some areas that only have one provider with no competition

    And why is that? It couldn't have anything to do with government franchises that grant a single company an exclusive right to do business in a particular area, could it?

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