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FCC Declares Intention To Enforce Net Neutrality

Unequivocal writes "The FCC chairman, Julius Genachowski, told Congress today that the 'Federal Communications Commission plans to keep the Internet free of increased user fees based on heavy Web traffic and slow downloads. ...Genachowski... told The Hill that his agency will support "net neutrality" and go after anyone who violates its tenets. "One thing I would say so that there is no confusion out there is that this FCC will support net neutrality and will enforce any violation of net neutrality principles," Genachowski said when asked what he could do in his position to keep the Internet fair, free and open to all Americans. The statement by Genachowski comes as the commission remains locked in litigation with Comcast. The cable provider is appealing a court decision by challenging the FCC's authority to penalize the company for limiting Web traffic to its consumers.' It looks like the good guys are winning, unless the appeals court rules against the FCC."

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  1. I guess Canada should be on watch by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assuming they aren't already. You know Rogers and the other providers are going to be watching very closely how this develops.

  2. Re:Careful what you wish for... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of protocol", then BAD.

    Not in my opinion. I see no reason at all to have policies based on protocol. That's a static decision, and static policy decisions can be inaccurate for any particular connection, out of date or simply ignorant of new protocols, and can/will be largely decided by politics not practicality. I.e. bittorent bad, equally bandwidth heavy streaming protocols from ISP-approved media sites good.

    You can get QoS while remaining protocol agnostic. You simply base the priority for any connection based on the amount of bandwidth it uses. Lower bandwidth, higher priority. Low-bandwidth latency-sensitive apps like VOIP work perfectly without having their protocol recognized, bulk data transfers are deprioritized but still get plenty of bandwidth (because the higher priority connections are by definition not using much) again without the protocol mattering. If you try to game the system by sending bulk data transfers though VOIP protocols, then you still get downgraded, while a static system would fail.

    The only cases it doesn't work for are cases where there's not much you can do anyway -- like live (as in no buffering) streaming video.

    What I don't know is if there is any routers out there that do this, or if it's still considered too much memory to keep the connection state info around for packets that are just passing through.

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  3. principles vs. law by DesScorp · · Score: 1, Interesting

    enforce any violation of net neutrality principles

    I'd be happier if they vowed to enforce the principles, rather than their violation.

    What I'd like to know is on what grounds do they think they can mandate how traffic is managed on ISP networks. There are no net neutrality laws. "Principle" means jack squat legally. I don't think there are even any internal FCC regulations on the books regarding NN, let alone laws passed by Congress. This leaves a huge hole for ISP's to take the FCC to court for what is essentially a privately delivered service.

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  4. Re:Cue complaints by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    of course the government would never have had any part in creating these massive corporate horrors like say local monopolies would they?... /sarcasm

    Are you suggesting that the Federal Communications Commission should tell the States what monopolies can and cannot be setup within their borders?
    I agree with your conclusion that more competition would drive out those who seek to limit services, but I seriously question your method.

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  5. Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of the types who have traffic shaping explained to them - which is what usually happens when politicians are the ones pushing the cause - still don't understand the concept of port blocking.

    When I pay for "Internet Access" I don't expect my service provider to be able to dictate what I can and can't do with my internet connection. This includes hosting my own mail, FTP, and HTTP servers! What business of it is theirs if I post an image on Fark and host it myself?

    As long as you're not spamming and/or doing illegal things they need to back the hell off.

    As far as I'm concerned, if I'm having select ports blocked I am NOT getting "Internet Access".

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    1. Re:Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is, in most cases the companies DO NOT clearly dictate what ports you can use. If you talk to the people on the phone they generally don't have a concept of what a port is, and if you ask them if they block ports they will usually outright lie or say no to make a sale.

      Verizon outright denies any port blocking yet they do it. So do several other ISP's. If you call their support about port blocking they generally blame the consumers computer and assume the person calling is a moron. Do your own research on this, there's many non-morons who will validate it.

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    2. Re:Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) The providers are rather stupid about what they allow/wont allow. For instance with most providers that do the "Triple Play" if you get a business package you're no longer even allowed to get television. AT&T is known for this. The only reason I could get a 20 up/down with Verizon when I got it was because TV wasn't available in my area. If it would have been I wouldn't have been allowed to get that bandwidth. (Never mind the fact they lowered my bandwidth after a few months, never notified me and still charged me for 20)

      2) When I had Time Warner years ago, they did NOT block my ports. What they did do was occasionally attempt to send mail through my SMTP server, they failed. (yes, I read my logs) I'm pretty sure if they would have succeeded I would have heard from them, since they never did, I never heard from them.

      How hard is it to have script look for problems on a subnet? Time Warner did it. I personally believe they should cut off problem customers, and notify them as to why they are being cut off if they're problematic. Back when people would attack my servers with bots (usually infected Windows machines) I usually notified the ISPs, they usually didn't give a rats ass. ISP's are usually talking out their ass when they give justifications, I've proved it more than once.

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  6. Re:Careful what you wish for... by Sique · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can still game the system: Open many parallel connections.

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  7. Honestly, how hard is QoS on packets? by keithpreston · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just can't understand how ISPs make this a difficult problem. Obviously there are some users that use a lot of bandwidth, there are others that don't. They have tried to discriminate based on "type" of traffic for a while, but why not just on the users total traffic for the month? It is super simple, keep track of the volume of data for all customers. From this data generate a QoS ordering for every customer (quantized based on QoS technical limits) daily or every so often. Now people that don't use bandwidth get served first and others get their packets dropped when bandwidth is at capacity(which I imagine isn't 100% of the time). Essentially high bandwidth users get all the extra bandwidth left over after the low bandwidth people get as much as they want. Then there is none of this packet filters, port blocking, man in the middle TCP reset junk that they are doing now. If you really want you can guarantee a minimum bandwidth for each customer and make reservations for that in the system.

  8. Re:Cue complaints by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many Republicans and conservative organizations have supported net neutrality. Savetheinternet.com for example includes the Christian Coalition of America and Gun Owners of America. While it is true that Democrats have generally been more supportive of net neutrality, (McCain was awful on net neutrality), it isn't helpful to simply assume that Republicans must all have one view of this and Democrats all the other. This doesn't reflect a much more complicated reality. It is common human behavior to assume that because one disagrees with another group on some collection of issues they will disagree with you on everything but that's not always the case. Thinking that way really isn't helpful.

  9. Re:Let me say.... by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well that's a lie. Just as in most countries the FCC and it's equivalents around the world, have responsibility over telecommunications, that's phones for the not so bright. It is pretty obvious with the transition from an analogue systems to digital systems, the internet is a direct extension of phone of phone calls and should cover that extension and provide private communications between subscribers.

    So telecommunications aren't allowed to listen in to what is going on in your home when your not using your phone (it can quite readily be done), they are not allowed to listen in to your phone calls (except for strictly controlled quality of service and you should be notified), they are not allowed to prevent you from calling people or prevent people from calling you, they are not allowed to disconnect you at random and, they are bound to quality of service provisions ie. they are not allowed to purposefully interfere with the quality of your service.

    Now for the endless telecommunications liars out there, that is the basis upon which the companies entered that market, that is the basis upon which those companies has been valued for decades and for once and for all that is the basis upon which they can retain their telecommunications licences. Now if the no longer want to operate under the laws that governs their operators licence, they can quite simply pull out of the market, sell off their infrastructure and f**k o*f 'er' go away ;P.

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