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Who Will Fix the Internet? No One, Apparently

blackbearnh writes "It seems like everyone focuses on the latest and greatest killer Internet applications, but the underlying infrastructure that all of them run on is showing its age. That's the claim made by a recent article in the Christian Science Monitor. IPv4 is relatively ancient, and even stalled improvements like IPv6 aren't significant enough to matter, according to some researchers. With no one 'in charge' of the Internet, it's almost impossible to get any sweeping technical improvements made, especially since there's no financial incentive on the part of the ISPs and telecoms to invest in basic infrastructure. CalTech Professor John Doyle puts it this way: 'To the extent I've been working in this field for the last 10 years, I've been mostly working on band-aids. I'm really trying to get out of that business and try to help the people, the few people, who are really trying to think more fundamentally about what needs to be done.'"

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  1. Let the porn industry take the lead... by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let the porn industry fix the internet. They're responsible for most of the traffic.

    1. Re:Let the porn industry take the lead... by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not sure the Christian science monitor will like that answer.

    2. Re:Let the porn industry take the lead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can just see the scene- The door bell going, the bored housewife answering the door, and some badly dubbed sys admin appears, announces he's here to fix her internet as a dodgy 70's funk soundtrack starts up...

    3. Re:Let the porn industry take the lead... by lymond01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      sales

      You...pay...for pornography?

    4. Re:Let the porn industry take the lead... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can just see the scene- The door bell going, the bored housewife answering the door, and some badly dubbed sys admin appears, announces he's here to fix her internet as a dodgy 70's funk soundtrack starts up...


      Admin: Excuse me miss, I'm here to fix your PPP WAN connection.
      Housewife: Oh! My.. (blushes). Well, please come in
      (The Admin lurches in, slightly sweaty and breathing through his mouth)
      Housewife: Can I get you anything? Cake or cookies?
      Admin: No, thanks, I'm lactose intolerant. Cookies give me gas. Where's your ethernet router?
      Housewife: (deeper blushes) Oh, my. How about a drink then? Scotch?
      Admin: I'd take a mountain dew. Diet though. I'm watching my weight.
      (He pats an ample belly. The housewife's eyes grow wide.)
      Housewife: I'll.... I'll get you something right away. (She hurries off to the kitchen)
      Admin: (Calling after) Where's the computer?
      Housewife: The computer?! It's, ahhh, in the living room.
      (The Admin waddles to the computer, which is neatly set on a small, immaculately dusted table with pullout keyboard shelf. He rips the table out from the wall, kneels down and begins rummaging amidst the jungle of wires at the back. After some time he pauses, and turns around to see the Housewife standing over him with a glass of soda and a plate of potato chips. She has been there for some time.)
      Admin: Oh thank's! (He's wolfs down the meager glass and munches on a few chips).
      Housewife: You're welcome. Have you found the problem yet?
      Admin: Oh yeah. (He's wipes his greasy fingers on his front of his shirt). I need to adjust your broadband for IPv6.
      Housewife: I...see. And, what might that involve? Will I have to call my husband? He's at work right now.
      Admin: Naww. It shouldn't take a minute. I've got your upgrade right here!
      (He reaches into the fanny pack on the front of his tool belt and rummages around. The Housewife begins to feel faint)
      Admin: Here it is! (He draws a small sleek black router from the pouch)
      Housewife: And what's that for?
      Admin: It's for your line. I just have to rejig everything.
      (He back about and resumes his rummaging. The Housewife slumps back on the sofa and stares silently.)
      Admin: All done. Can you check to see if it's working?
      Housewife: What?
      Admin: On the computer. Check to see if your internet is working. Open your browser and go to ipv6.google.com
      Housewife: Oh! (See hikes up her dress and sits and the computer desk. As she clicks, she hikes the dress up intermittantly.)
      Admin: Is it working?
      Housewife: Oh! (Her voice is noticeably more sultry) Something went wrong. I seem to have come across some kind of... pornographic website. Could you take a look?
      Admin: It's probably a virus. You should use Ubuntu. I could partition your drives for you if you like.
      (He lumbers up from the floor and leans over towards the desk. As he presses against her and brusquely takes the mouse from her grasp, the Housewife finally succumbs and passes out.)

      (When she awakes, she is lying on the floor with the Admin sitting at the desk.)
      Housewife: What.. what happened?
      Admin: (The admin glances at here, then turns back to the computer screen.) I fixed the problem on the Windows partition and installed Ubuntu Jaunty on a second partition. It should be working fine now. I've set up the dual boot to load up Ubuntu by default, but you can change it by editing the Lilo files.
      Housewife: What about my computer files?
      Admin: Everything's accessible from Nautilus. I've mounted your old drives as WINDOZE_OLD in /media. It should work seamlessly. Anyway, I have to get back to the office.
      (He gathers his tools and makes for the door)
      Housewife: Wait! What about my husband's files from work? What about his emails.

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    5. Re:Let the porn industry take the lead... by coaxial · · Score: 5, Informative

      Clearly you don't know what the Christian Science Monitor is. The CSM is not only widely regarded, winning numerous (ironically) Pulitzer Prizes, but given it's awesome "Fuck you, you lying douche bag, Joseph Pulitzer!" origin, it's positively punk rock.

  2. The Whole Point if the Internet... by rshol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is it s diffuse and decentralized nature, a network of networks, not a single network. An organization or individual with the power to "fix" the internet would have the power to destroy it or lock it down.

    1. Re:The Whole Point if the Internet... by javilon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up. The only reason the Internet is not augmented TV by now is that nobody had the ability to "fix" it.

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  3. Ridiculous by frankxcid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another ridiculous article. Supply will always follow demand. WHo will fix the internet? It doesn't matter, it will always be there as long as there is a demand.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by StreetStealth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is unfortunate, though, that even in business, the incentive of profit is outweighed by the incentive of short-term profit.

      Upgrading infrastructure is a big investment over the long term, which makes sense to you and me, but to your average MBA, the question is "what's the ROI for the next two quarters?" and of course, the short-term ROI on a long-term investment is always poor.

      So, the upgrades aren't made, and everyone goes on pretending nothing's going to go wrong (if it's not going to go wrong this quarter, there's no danger!) and nothing happens until the problem has been put off for so long that suddenly, it's right around the corner and it's obvious that catastrophe is the only possible result from continuing to ignore it. Then, even more money than would have gone into a phased upgrade goes into an emergency upgrade, patching things left and right, dealing with outages, and generally making a mess of things.

      It's the way everything works, though, really -- matters of climate change, unsustainable financial practices -- so long as doomsday isn't tomorrow, no one cares.

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  4. Not Necessarily a bad thing... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The existing internet certainly has its rough edges, and they are not insignificant; but an alarming number of proposed "internet fixes" and "new improved internet" proposals seem to be more about serving the interests of incumbents(largely in the areas of surveillance and copyright enforcement) than about making the internet work better.

    Many of the internet's virtues are a result of the fact that it grew up before anybody outside of a narrow circle knew that it was going to be significant, so its development was relatively uncrippled. We aren't going to have that opportunity again. Any "new internet" proposal is going to have the grubby claws of "stakeholders" all over it.

    1. Re:Not Necessarily a bad thing... by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a good point. If you want to see the kind of Internet the industry wants, look at the US mobile phone market.

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  5. Proactive...not by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There will be no proactive solution; this sort of thing will only be improved upon in increments as things break. John Doyle mentions "Band-Aids" but that's exactly how it needs to evolve....like any other living organism.

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  6. We need more competition by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me that most of the country is still in a situation where there are one or two options for high speed internet in any given area (only one here). If we allowed more competition, we would probably see a rush to upgrade infrastructure, as most people are damn tired of this "large pipe, limited download" crap, and the first ISP to offer either no cap or really high cap and maintain fast speeds is going to take every last customer from crappy services like AT&T.

    Having some centralized organization handle network upgrades will work out about as well as it did in the 90's, ie not at all. They'll just pocket the money and continue to clamp down on their customers. The only way to improve service is to increase competition.

  7. Re:Hmm by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It runs fine for me. Frankly, I'm afraid that if anyone gets 'in charge', and 'improves' the internet, it won't be anywhere near as free and useful for any Joe Public to get on, express views, be anonymous, etc.

    I'm afraid the powers that be, will be the ones 'in charge' of the New and Improved internet, and can bet your sweet ass, they won't make the mistakes they did last time that leaves them without total control.

    Their corporate masters, will force them to have severe control on what content can be pumped over it, pretty much necessitating control on what can connect to it (so much for having control of your computer), and the govt. and lawyers will certainly make it where you can't be anonymous, and you will likely need a special license to publish on it.

    Personally? No thanks, with all its bugs and problems, and tons of cruft out there, I'll be happy to stick with the current internet system that is out there. I like the idea that I can hook a computer on it, and instantly become a peer with any other computer out there, no matter if it is a farm kid on dial up, or a massive corporation's data center. My box/server is equal, and I can do and publish damned near anything I want.

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  8. Re:I Thought We'd Been Through This? by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's nothing wrong with the internet. It works just fi

  9. Hands off by blueZ3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem correlates to what makes the Internet so successful: it's a wide-open, essentially unregulated space.

    With no centralized authority, you get benefits like anonymity (see how long that lasts once the bureaucrats get their hooks in it--oh noes! the terrorists! think of the children! we must track each user), innovation (in just a few years we've gone from hypertext to graphical MMORPGs--I can just see trying to get the paperwork through on that one) and freedom (I don't suppose the good people at 760 United Nations Plaza would be interested in protecting the freedom of expression of fascists, for instance).

    Of course, with anonymity comes spam, with innovation you get new and better malware, and with freedom you get a lot of crazy talk. But unless you're ready to throw the baby out with the bath water, it's probably best to leave well enough alone. Since politicians of all stripes are essentially unable to understand opportunity costs or unintended consequences, I shudder each time I read one of these FUD-o-thons.

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  10. The only thing "on hold" is the USA, not IPv6 by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Internet is improving everyday as better routers, faster servers, new better cables/antennas are deployed, the last mile connection options are also multiplying. IPv6 is put on hold as there is no real need for it at the moment.

    IPv6 is NOT on hold. Most of Asia are already using IPv6. If you use Apple there's a good chance you're using IPv6 without even realising it. The EU is mandating moves to IPv6 in the coming years, and I imagine most countries are doing something similar.

    The US may have its head in the sand, but that doesn't mean everyone else does.

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  11. Ignorance is bliss, personified. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ignorance is bliss, and you, sir, seem to be positively rolling in it. CSM, strange as it may seem, is generally regarded as being of surpassing quality (vastly superior to your "mainline" news channels and rags).

    The irony is that most religious people I know revile the CSM as being liberal, ungodly, and in all manner of secular.

  12. Re:Christian... science ? by Afief · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear mr.Christian Science,

    Your attempt to make us panic and throw a metric shitload of money into your inadequate research to end net-neutrality has failed. The average slashdot reader knows more about the intricacies of the Internet than you expect and can therefore tell you that doom's day is far off. We know that because the Terminators need IPv6 to keep track of their innumerable minions.

    No IPv6 no doom's day.

    Thank you for your time,
    Average Slashdot Joe

  13. Re:Hmm by mark-t · · Score: 5, Informative

    To quote an article I once read that addressed what you are saying:

    • NAT breaks globally unique address model
    • NAT breaks address stability
    • NAT breaks the Peer-to-Peer model
    • NAT breaks some security and QoS applications
    • NAT introduces hidden costs (applications and operations)
    • NAT inhibits development of new applications

    The long and the short of it is that NAT is only a band-aid... it is not a scalable solution. NAT can only be "good enough" as long as the above issues remain unimportant to a majority of people.

  14. Re:I Thought We'd Been Through This? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is /. 2.0 (beta). Now every character you type in the text field is base-64 encoded and wrapped in a small (only 3KB or so) XML request, and sent to the server as an HTTP request. The JavaScript also sends an 'I'm still alive' HTTP request to the server every 30 seconds. If the server stops receiving these requests for a few minutes, it posts the work-in-progress post.

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