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Obesity May Accelerate Brain Aging

natehoy writes "According to the US News and World Report, a recent study has shown a link between obesity and the loss of neurological tissue. The brains of elderly patients who were obese had on average 8% less tissue than their trimmer counterparts. Overweight patients had brains lighter by about 4%. This could have implications for the onset of dementia illnesses such as Alzheimer's. Just one more risk factor to add to the growing body (no pun intended) of reasons to try and stay trim."

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  1. I also noticed a link by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Between Obesity and the loss of food in my kitchen.

    But seriously - this seems like its leading to a "Overweight people aren't smart enough to care about their health" kind of thing.

    1. Re:I also noticed a link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Statistical analyses work just fine with 94 people if the effect size is strong.

    2. Re:I also noticed a link by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, actually I think this study might have some merit. You see, fat people tend to have fat, stubby fingers. It is very difficult to play the Nintendo DS, with its small buttons and tiny touch screen, with fingers that resemble sausages. Even the Wii is difficult to play for morbidly obese people, since its buttons are also small, and the physical movement required is beyond the capability of those whose couches have become permanent parts of their anatomy.

      What does this have to do with brain aging, you might ask. Elementary, my dear lardass. Without the Nintendo Brain Age series of games, how can we possibly keep our brains from aging? They're like steroids for your brain, except the link between the games and shrinking testicles has not yet been firmly established. So, unless we can come up with a good way for fat people to play these Brain Age games without causing them to sweat even more profusely than they already do, I'm afraid they're all doomed to early-onset Alzheimer's.

      It's basic common sense, really.

    3. Re:I also noticed a link by Entropius · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can do perfectly good statistics on 94 people.

      Any good scientific study includes both the effect ("8% brain loss") alongside an estimation of the error ("8% +/- 4%"). Over in the life sciences, when comparing the results from two groups (fat/normal, say) they like to give the probability that any difference they saw was due to chance, with suitably small values of this probability meaning that the result is considered "statistically significant".

      Having a limited sample size makes it less likely that a small effect will be above this threshhold for significance (since you can't distinguish it from the noise), but it does nothing to impair the validity of the statistics themselves, so long as all the errors are estimated correctly (which they should be, if you do your math honestly).

      Now, of course, the article linked in the summary doesn't actually give the significance level or the error estimates or any of those other things that are crucial to a scientific result actually meaning anything. But this is a condemnation of the shitty state of science reporting, not of the study itself.

    4. Re:I also noticed a link by RobDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is nothing inherently irrational about being overweight.

    5. Re:I also noticed a link by cyn1c77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Between Obesity and the loss of food in my kitchen.

      But seriously - this seems like its leading to a "Overweight people aren't smart enough to care about their health" kind of thing.

      Actually, it's leading to a "Overweight people like food and not exercising more than they like their long-term health" kind of thing. This is not exactly new news, but this study is another nail in the coffin... pun intended.

      More than 1 in 3 Americans are currently overweight. If we switch to nationalized health care, you fat fuckers better lose some goddamn weight. Because I don't want my tax dollars paying to treat your preventable illnesses because you felt like super-sizing it 3 nights a week without jogging first.

      Lipitor does not give you the right to continue drinking a gallon of mayonnaise a day.

      Sorry if I sound harsh, but the US is becoming a nation of people with no self-control when it comes to food, money and energy. It's starting to cost us bigtime with all these new socialist (yes, I voted for Obama) government programs getting paid for out of our taxes.

    6. Re:I also noticed a link by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you talking about smokers or drinkers?

    7. Re:I also noticed a link by disputationist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A study, with so much bluster, and they studied just 94 people. Chuck a couple of zeros on that, then perhaps you have the makings of a worthwhile study and not just an anecdote.

      Ugh. Not another math illiterate person complaining about the sample size. For the last time, your intuitive notions of statistics are worthless. The gamer study had a lot of people repeating this stupid objection too.

  2. These morally chiding "correlation" studies by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do they even TRY to adjust for the fact that fat people avoid getting health care most of their lives (because they're more likely to get tired of getting harassed by their doctor about their weight every time they go in for even a flu shot), drink more than thin people (getting shit on regularly can have that effect on people), and have crappier jobs than their normal-sized counterparts with the consequent lower incomes and inferior health care (because it's a lot harder to get hired)?

    I'm not pretending that obesity has no effect on someone's health. But it just irks the hell out of me that these sensational studies always fail to adjust for these sorts of related factors in favor of the sensational (and grant whoring) headline of "Obesity correlates with such-and-such other calamity." I'm sure you could produce a study arguing that obesity makes you stupid too, by simply failing to adjust for the fact that the obese are often geographically concentrated in areas (like the American South) where public education is shit and poverty is high.

    Why don't we just say that fat people are worse than Hitler and be done with it? You know, the way we've already done with anyone who dares smoke anything other than marijuana (which is somehow magically good for you), or who eats meat, or who drives an SUV (which some self-righteous asshole will probably link to sudden infant death syndrome in some future study), or any of the hundred other things that are going to kill us all any day now.

    Is it any coincidence that the medical profession was once closely linked to the idea that all illness was caused by immoral behavior?

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    1. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Informative

      Is it any coincidence that the medical profession was once closely linked to the idea [thinkquest.org] that all illness was caused by immoral behavior?

      Interestingly enough, in the Old Testament, Job's three friends made this mistake and were actually reprimanded for it. Calamity and "bad stuff" (including illness) does not, even in the Old Testament, mean judgment from God for immoral behavior.

    2. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by b0ttle · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... the fact that the obese are often geographically concentrated in areas (like the American South) where public education is shit and poverty is high.

      "American obesity rates are the highest in the world with 64% of adults being overweight or obese"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States

    3. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      drink more than thin people (getting shit on regularly can have that effect on people)

      I haven't seen that to be the case; I don't see more fat people in bars than I do on the street. In fact, there are a higher percentage of fat people where I work than in my favorite bar, although that's probably because most of the people at work sit at a desk, while my favorite bar's clientelle is mostly construction workers.

      and have crappier jobs than their normal-sized counterparts

      The ones with the crappiest jobs usually are doing physical labor, and as such are generally a lot more fit than the average slashdotter, whether he's a skinny nerd or a fat nerd.

      Why don't we just say that fat people are worse than Hitler and be done with it?

      Gee, this early in the thread and Godwin has been invoked? I wish overweight people would be less self conscious about themselves. Except women -- "you're getting too skinny" can get you laid! I'm all for fat women, they're easier to seduce than hotties.

      You know, the way we've already done with anyone who dares smoke anything other than marijuana (which is somehow magically good for you)

      Actually, there have been studies showing benefits to potsmoking, including a greatly reduced risk of cancer among those who also smoke tobacco.

      or who eats meat

      Come on now, it's only a tiny but vocal minority against carnivorousness. Join PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals)

      or who drives an SUV

      OK, you got me there. Driving an SUV is an almost sure sign of a reduced intellect. They cost more to drive than any other class of vehicle, and more people die in them per passsenger mile than any other type of vehicle due to their poor handling and braking and high center of gravity and lack of crumple zones. SUV drivers drive badly not from lack of driving skill but because their vehicles suck. Plus, ask an SUV driver why they have it and they'll say "it carries so many passengers", but notice SUVs on the road and you'll see very few with more than the driver. If you carry passengers, get a minivan -- more passengers, better mileage, and they're the safest vehicles on the road.

      But in the end, you have to die from something. When my grandmother was 95 she said to me "I don't know why people want to live to be a hindred, it ain't no fun bein' old!"

      She was overweight when I was a kid, but when she reached her mid seventies or early eighties she started losing weight. Her mind was sharp as a tack until the day she died (at age 99).

    4. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that goes without saying. The only way to find enough fat people to study is by starting out in the US.

    5. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahem, 36%, excuse me.

    6. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by natehoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the study adjusts for those factors perfectly well, in fact you're introducing some interesting possibilities as to an explanation for the link. The study (which is small, so we should obviously be cautious about drawing too many conclusions from it) only states that people who are obese appear to have less brain function. A few theories were forwarded to explain the link, but your theory is just as sound, and doesn't disprove the possible link.

      Let's follow your chain of events for a moment. John is obese. John avoids his doctor because he's tired of being hassled about his weight. Fair enough - that's pretty common.

      John is now in a negative feedback loop. He's receiving almost no advice on his diet, no encouragement to exercise, and probably is understandably demoralized from being called "fatty" and getting unwelcome advice from health freakazoids that he's likely to give up on health maintenance entirely. Poorer nutrition and less exercise mean that John's entire body is going to suffer, including the brain.

      It's actually as good a theory as any. Obesity would have a significant correlation with people who are not caring for their overall health properly, and obesity can be both cause and effect in this case. John isn't a bad guy, he's just stuck in a rut, and he's headed for possible trouble.

      I know John's story.

      I'm 6' 3" and used to weigh very close to 300 pounds. I avoided my doctor for over a decade for the same reason John might.

      It's tough to get started losing weight, and having a bunch of skinnyminnies around you crybabying about how you should get off your very large posterior and do something is not, repeat not, helpful. It's demoralizing, and makes the task of getting started look all that much harder.

      It took a health scare for me to start the very long, very hard trail, and I'm now down to 215 (still mildly overweight, but I can ride my bike 30 miles a day without any problems). I wish terribly that I had learned my lesson an easier way, but I didn't, and I'm sure being obese for as long as I was will have long-term consequences. But I was where I was, and I understand how very hard it is to get started, and how the general attitude of society toward the obese does not make them want to help themselves. I wanted to just curl up with my Ben and Jerry's and donuts and leave me the hell alone.

      I've encouraged several friends over the years to get up and just take short walks with me, and started a couple of them on the road to weight loss, but you've got to approach that sort of overture carefully, and have a sense for when your friend is ready to start helping themselves, then offer them some encouragement.

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    7. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the danger of these kinds of correlation studies is that you have no idea what the relationship is.

      Maybe people who have brain degeneration are prone to eating more food, thus becoming obese? In that case getting them to eat less won't fix their brains because you have it the wrong way around.

      Likewise, just why is it that SO many people are overweight? Is the present generation just collectively lacking in willpower? Sure, you can shout at people to go on a diet, but they've been doing that for the last 20 years and I don't see much to show for it. There has to be an underlying cause. I don't pretend to know what it is - maybe it is high-fructose corn syrup, or maybe obesity is cross-linked to genes that give computer proficiency and we've been selecting for it. My point is that while it is true that eating more = weight gain, why is it that people are eating so much more today?

    8. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2009/

      The most obese states are located in the south. Look at the childhood obesity too and you will find even a higher concentration in the south.

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    9. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by LrdDimwit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you 1) point out that correlation does not equal causation, then proceed to 2) say that it's likely that the obesity causes the brain aging seen in this study?

      Because that is essentially your argument: that obesity directly causes a host of other factors, which collectively explain the observed correlation (brain aging). Therefore, obesity causes the mental decline, only indirectly. I fail to see any significant difference between the implication that obesity directly harms the brain, and that obesity, while not in itself injurious, causes people to behave in ways that are.

    10. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by SBrach · · Score: 2, Informative

      I want to haul plywood, bags of cement, tile, etc from home depot when I work on my house, tow my trailer full of dirt bikes or quads when I go camping, go off-roading occasionally, carry many passangers occasionally, go on a cross country trip with my wife, kids, and 2 weeks worth of luggage and I can't afford to have multiple vehicles for every task. Which type of vehicle is versatile enough to suit my (and the average American family's) needs.

    11. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html

    12. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by natehoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had the same shock when I went to France and spent a week in Orleans. At the time, I weighed 205 and I'm 6'3", so I didn't stand out amongst the French population. I walked around Paris for a day, then spent most of my time in Orleans (when I wasn't working) walking down the pedestrian district trying French food.

      I saw three people who were heavy enough to stand out, and all three were Americans.

      When I got back to JFK Airport in the US, it was almost shocking to see how many people were large.

      The things we get used to and don't even realize it...

      The funny part was that I ATE LIKE AN EFFING KING in France. I denied myself NOTHING, and ate cheese by the ton. And came back 2 pounds lighter. I'm sure it helped that I only used my car to go back and forth to work, and the rest of my time was spent walking (4-5 miles a day, minimum).

      I'm sure it also helped that there was very little sugar in what I ate in France, and it was all food prepared by people who care about the quality of what they were serving. Even the cafeteria food at the company I was working for ran circles around the nicer restaurants here in the US, and the restaurants? Oh. My. God. I have never eaten anything like it.

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    13. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Add up the percentage of time doing said activities, if they exceed a certain threshold you're better off renting a truck when it's time to haul some stuff. Given the crappy gas mileage and other down sides to SUVs it'll be hard to justify unless you're doing that stuff all the time. Of course if you can afford several bikes and quads then you can probably afford a $9000 point A to point B car which will save you a ton in gas, insurance, and maintenance.

      So while I don't have anything in particular against an SUV, I don't find anything particularly good about them either. They perform a lot of functions, poorly. For the majority of people a truck and a passenger car or wagon will meet their needs and they won't be wasting money on larger tires, won't have to pay for at least twice as much gas, and will have a car meant to be driven instead of an SUV.

      I witnessed a car accident recently, 35mph an SUV got t-boned and flipped over. After that I had a pretty dim view of the large SUVs out there. The crossovers aren't so bad but the question is invariably why? I grew up in Vermont with a Ford Probe, front wheel drive and I never had any problems in the snow. Why does everyone need four wheel drive?

    14. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Funny

      But I didn't read the TOS, they were too long, therefore I can't be held to them. ;)

    15. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The douchebags are those who have to go out into the "wilderness" with their bikes and ATV's to tear up wild life habitat, all the while pouring their exhaust fumes into the world's air supply. Hippy? I'm not old enough. And, don't try with the liberal bleeding heart crap. Bleeding hearts won't kill a cute little bunny and eat it. Instead of eating squirrels, they feed peanut and stuff to the tree rats.

      Think of the children. If you get them HIKING through the woods, instead of tearing the woods up on an ATV, the bearers of your DNA are more likely to live a long, healthy life.

      Douche.

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    16. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Calithulu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you really think this would have ended better in a Prius?

      Given the weight of a Prius (2932 lbs and old ones are heavier) and its lower center of gravity than most SUVs, yes.

    17. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 2, Informative

      Both the Honda Odyssey and the Toyota Sienna can tow more than 3500 lbs. Even the Hyundai Elantra has a towing capacity of 2000 lbs. If you have a trailer for your four wheelers, I assume you can put some plywood and concrete on that trailer from Home Depot. Also, you might have missed the part where I talked about Home Depot renting you a truck. $19.95 for the first 75 minutes. Let me know of any other problems you have so I can find more solutions for you.

      I said you might very well have a valid excuse, but with you not knowing that a minivan has towing capacity of "more than a thousand pounds or so", maybe you really haven't thought your needs or your options through.

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    18. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by SBrach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My truck tows 6,500lbs, and can haul 1700 in the bed. I can also seat 5 while doing so. I would not like to hook up a trailer for a run around the corner to home depot and if I owned a toy hauler that would be even more impractical. Not to mention my truck gets better gas mileage than both of those lowered SUVs, sorry mini-vans, you listed. The fact is for the average American home owner, a 4 door pickup or SUV is a very practical vehicle. The compromises you suggest are more expensive and less convenient.

    19. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all, yes, it would have ended better in Prius as the SUV tipped over which is not something a smaller car would have done.

      You'll also note my very first sentence. If time doing said activities reaches a certain threshold then it makes sense. For the majority of people it doesn't and they've made poor choices. For you it does make sense which is why I wasn't making any statements that they should be banned. I come from farm country, believe me, I know there are times when you need a truck.

      The reality is that you don't need an SUV for even hauling a dirt bike, you just want one. Every car I've ever owned has been capable of towing at least 1800lbs. You're saving estimate doesn't take into consideration the fact that tires cost more than double for an SUV, and that oil changes are more expensive due to needing more than twice the oil.

      At some point you realize that you'd just rather drive something big than something practical but don't fool yourself into believing there are a lot of good reasons for it. I've seen far too many F250 or F350 trucks hauling 3000lbs trailers, it's simply overkill.

      By all means, keep your truck, it sounds like you use it for what it is often enough to make it worthwhile. Just don't be surprised when people see your spending as wasteful. It's your money, you can do with it as you please.I just think a wagon is far more practical for all the things you've listed with a trailer for times when you need to transport bikes or get mulch.

    20. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by SBrach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See the problem with this logic is that people compare the cost of large trucks to small cars. When you compare my 4 door tacoma to a 4 door camry the savings aren't as obvious. I went from a compact (scion tc) to a 4 door long bed pickup. I can haul basically anything I want, I get 4mpg less than the scion (22 compared to 26) and I can easily fit 5 people. Tires are the same price, about 150 each but the truck tires last twice as long. It holds 2 more quarts of oil and my insurance is 80 a month instead of 120. For someone who owns a house and is often times hauling things like furntiture, landscaping materials, building supplies, grocceries, tools, etc it is much more economical to own a pickup. I traded in my car for my truck about 6 months after we bought our house because we were constantly borrowing trucks from friends and family members. The Infiniti G35 my wife drives gets 18mpg and can't haul hardly anything or fit more than 2 people comfortably. The mid size SUV she wants to trade it in on will be much more practical. Not everyone wants to drive econo boxes and in most cases V6 SUVs and pickups are hard to beat when compared to full size cars and minivans when it comes to practicality and cost.

    21. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't understand you. If you have real and valid reasons for driving an SUV, then by all means do so. I have an uncle that does. I don't consider him an idiot. But why do you feel the need to vindicate yourself so much? The way you put down minivans indicates that you have more of an image issue than a real need issue.

      The vast majority of four wheelers weigh about 500 lbs or less. 3500 pound towing capacity is already 5 or 6 ATVs + the trailer. Are you really suggesting you need double that?

      Concrete is about 150 lbs per cubic foot. Are you really hauling more than 22 cubic feet of concrete to your home once a week, or even once a month?

      I am an American home owner, in addition to being an American home landlord. I own one car. It's a Honda Fit. It's been more than enough the vast majority of the time. Had I bought a truck or SUV it would have been more expensive to buy, operate, insure, maintain, etc in every conceivable way even when I include all the times I've rented another vehicle. Also, I could sell it for nearly as much as I paid for it. I don't have to climb up to get in. The fact is, for the average American home owner, a small car is more practical, efficient, convenient and less expensive. When you include non-homeowners, it becomes even more so.

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    22. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by SBrach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't afford to have multiple vehicles for every task. My wife has a vehicle and I have a vehicle. We can't always car pool and we need to have a truck. I don't want to make 5 trips to pick up brick. That is fine that you do, before I had my truck I did similar things in my Scion, but the convienence is worth the money to me. Your Fit gets 27 - 33 mpg according to Honda's website. I get 22 mpg in my truck so the 5 to 11 mpg savings would not even save me that much. I imagine I wouldn't save money on insurance as both my civic and my tC were more expensive for me to insure than my truck in my area. As other posters have noted, renting a truck can be a hassle. The reason I have been commenting on this thread is because I disagree with the viewpoint, that many people on slashdot have, that anyone who owns a truck or SUV does nothing but commute and would save thousands if they owned a car instead. Nobody ever takes the convience factor into account. Sure you can fit two adults, a baby in a car seat, a stroller, a fold up crib, and bags of toys and diapers in a compact. But it is much less hassle in a truck like mine or, for example, a cx-7 like my wife is looking at. If you also tend to haul stuff that won't fit in the compact or is too heavy then I don't see why some people seem to get so upset when some one goes for a SUV or pickup over a compact.

    23. Re:These morally chiding "correlation" studies by natehoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The trick I found was to stop looking at all the "beautiful people" and just look at myself. Me at 270 looked better than me at 280. 260 was getting downright sexy (OK, I exaggerate, no I outright lie, but anyway)...

      Every few pounds was a struggle, but at the end I could look at a picture of myself a few pounds ago and say "Ugh! At least I'm better than that!"

      In the end, I lost about 70 pounds, and it took me the better part of a year. And it was a tough year, full of triumphs and tragedies, hard work, failures, and successes.

      But now I can jog, I can ride my bike 15 miles each way to work, I can kayak for miles. I can do so many things I simply couldn't. I know the long time I was very heavy will have long-term consequences I'll have to deal with later, but I'm healthy NOW.

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  3. Now I get it by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fat women have always hit on me. Now I know why -- they're stupid!

    However, from TFA:

    Dr. Jonathan Friedman, an associate professor of surgery and neuroscience and experimental therapeutics at the Texas A&M Health Science Center College of Medicine noted that the causal relationship here is not clear.

    Another possibility is that The brains of overweight people have more receptors for the neurotransmitter serotonin than those of people of normal weight, suggesting that being overweight may be down to more than just eating habits and may have an origin in brain chemistry. Clearly, more study is warranted.

    From the New Scientist article on the ssubject of big people with little brains:

    In an as yet unpublished study, Thompson's team has shown that exercise, which improves cardiovascular health and blood flow, protects the very brain regions that had shrunk in the current study. "The most strenuous kind of exercise can save about the same amount of brain tissue that is lost in the obese," he says. This indicates that it is blood flow that drives brain health, not the other way round. As these areas undergo the most remodelling throughout adult life, they may be more sensitive to any changes in oxygen supply and nutrients, Thompson suggests.

    But Deborah Gustafson at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, who previously found that overweight women had less brain tissue than their leaner counterparts, questions whether obesity is driving brain atrophy or vice versa. She points out that brain atrophy in the frontal and temporal lobes, which also control eating behaviour and metabolism, could cause weight gain. "There are not enough longitudinal data available for us to know which is the chicken and which is the egg."

    1. Re:Now I get it by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to be implying that the brain chemistry precedes the obesity. It's actually more than just likely that it's the other way around. History points to that one. Because, this obesity problem is very *very* new and it takes a *long* time for such things to change in such a large number of people. That is, unless you factor in the dietary changes. Hmm. Think that might have something to do with it? You know, the obesity problem linked to peoples diets? There's more than just a correlation there you know.

      But, do you honestly think that a well designed study is going to happen to work that particular point out? Especially, when it's a no brainer? Because, that would entail something like taking a few thousand healthy people and getting them to eat.. a lot. And matching there new diet to the diets of the obese. Then seeing what happens in the brian during the feeding. Not exactly an ethical thing to do given how difficult it is to loose weight and the profound health problems that come with along with being overweight.

      I personally think that these medical people should look up once in a while. You know, to actually think. Then perhaps they'd get rid of there tunnel vision and see a bigger picture.

  4. Possible Viral Link by TheNarrator · · Score: 3, Informative
    Perhaps this has something to do with the virus / obesity link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060130031548.htm

    There is accumulating evidence that certain viruses may cause obesity, in essence making obesity contagious, according to Leah D. Whigham, the lead researcher in a new study, "Adipogenic potential of multiple human adenoviruses in vivo and in vitro in animals," in the January issue of the American Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology published by the American Physiological Society. The study, by Whigham, Barbara A. Israel and Richard L. Atkinson, of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, found that the human adenovirus Ad-37 causes obesity in chickens. This finding builds on studies that two related viruses, Ad-36 and Ad-5, also cause obesity in animals. Moreover, Ad-36 has been associated with human obesity, leading researchers to suspect that Ad-37 also may be implicated in human obesity. Whigham said more research is needed to find out if Ad-37 causes obesity in humans. One study was inconclusive, because only a handful of people showed evidence of infection with Ad-37 -- not enough people to draw any conclusions, she said. Ad-37, Ad-36 and Ad-5 are part of a family of approximately 50 viruses known as human adenoviruses.

  5. The link between carbohydrate consumption and AGEs by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This should be obvious. There is already a clear understanding of the cause of obesity via carbohydrate consumption, combined with the effects of said consumption on the production of advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) in the brain, and their effect on cognitive function.

  6. Best Reason So Far by Metal_Demon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have been overweight for over ten years now and this is the best reason to slim down I've heard yet. I take a great deal of pride in my intelligence, so anything that puts it at risk can not be tolerated.

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    1. Re:Best Reason So Far by HonestButCurious · · Score: 2, Informative

      More power to you. If you want a geek-friendly diet plan, I've seen people here recommend the Hacker's Diet. It's a diet with widgets!

    2. Re:Best Reason So Far by mutualrecursion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Keep in mind that lower weights are correlated with Alzheimer's. (In a separate comment--sorry--I complained that the current study introduces bias by excluding people who already showed signs of dementia.)

              http://www.understanding-alzheimers.com/articles/Linking-Alzheimers-to-Weight-Loss.html

      "The September 2005 study, which stemmed from longitudinal research done on the aging process in 820 members of the Catholic clergy since 1993, found that a decrease in BMI significantly increased the chances of developing Alzheimer's disease. Even maintaining the same BMI was linked to a significantly increased chance of developing the disease compared to those seniors who experienced an increase in BMI."

      So, if you are older, think twice before dieting for the purpose of "helping" your brain.

  7. actual paper by flynt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a link to the actual publication.

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/122539667/HTMLSTART

    It always bothers me that these aren't provided, we can read the the actual results and not the news version!

  8. Perhaps inactivity is the real problem by adewolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Couch potatoism might be to blame. Our culture is based on watching TV and being on the computer (sniker) most of the time. Wanna help stem the bad health, go with your kids for a walk or hike. Walk the dog. Get offa the couch.

    --
    "The Brady Bunch is back...working homicide"
    1. Re:Perhaps inactivity is the real problem by Ardaen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe just put a treadmill in front of the keyboard instead of a chair. A slow to moderate walking pace should be easy enough to adapt to for typing and would probably increase blood flow to the brain. I know going for short walks once or twice an hour improves my productivity (and creativity) while working on computers.

  9. WTF by VisiX · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is not obvious to fat people you insensitive clod!

  10. Re:The link between carbohydrate consumption and A by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 4, Informative

    If I may offer my opinion as someone who researches cognitive aging and the brain, I think the link (without actually reading the article) is likely due to cerebrovascular factors. People who are overweight often have high or highly varying blood pressure. They also often have arterosclerosis and all sorts of plaque build-up in the blood vessels. Basically their cardiovascular systems in general do not work as efficiently.

    The brain is very power hungry. It needs virtually uninterrupted blood flow to function well. People who have reduced blood flow (efficiency) could have lower blood perfusion in the brain. Their neurons may just be slowly starved of enough oxygen and nutrients. People who are overweight are at increased risk for developing strokes, particularly so-called "silent strokes" that might not have apparent effects at first but could over time.

    I don't think it's the obesity as much as the cardiovascular issues that are associated with it. I've seen the brains of older adults who have (uncontrolled or long-term) high blood pressure and by and large, they are not pretty. Their white matter is often pretty messed up. They often have larger ventricles (more brain atrophy) and do worse on cognitive tests.

    In any case, being overweight is one of the worst things you can do to your overall health. Maybe not now, but in old age overweight (particularly obese) people are going to have a lot of problems - physical and cognitive. Again, I deal not with individuals as much as with groups of people so everything I say should be taken as "on average."

  11. Re:The link between carbohydrate consumption and A by ShakaUVM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is already a clear understanding of the cause of obesity via carbohydrate consumption, combined with the effects of said consumption on the production of advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) in the brain, and their effect on cognitive function.

    I'd be very cautious when using the words "clear understanding" with nearly anything in cognitive science. Scientists didn't even pay attention to neurotropic factors in the brain until relatively recently, and if you ignore factors that can cause neural growth (like... excercise - scientists are guessing that excercise is neurotropic since we need to often map out new areas when walking a lot) it's hard to make a statement that obsesity caused by eating too much is the cause of cognitive decline, as opposed to obesity caused by not exercising enough. In fact, I think that if you exercise a lot, obesity almost vanishes as a cause of a lot of problems.

    You also have related issues like eating too much / not exercising enough contributes to diabetes, and having high blood glucose levels causes a wide variety of problems, such as damage to small blood vessels and a (likely related) decline in neural function.

    But we're still in the stone age when it comes to all this kind of stuff.

  12. Avoiding Obesity is Difficult by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Once upon a time, obesity was a sign of wealth. Food was different in those days and only by consuming large quantities of it could you hope to gain the wealthy appearance of obesity.

    These days, the opposite is true. Our food is different in its content and in its richness. Average portion offered for sale are larger. And while it's true that people do less physical work, doing some basic calculation associated with calorie intake versus calorie burn and the increase of calorie burn with added exercise will reveal that exercise is not as effective at controlling weight as is controlling intake.

    It is my observation that reducing the intake of food is the most significant thing anyone can do when attempting weight control and what's more, there is no "I have no time for it" excuse when attempting to do so. It is also my observation that reducing the intake of food is extremely difficult for a variety of reasons. Our habits and expectations are hard to change when ordering or preparing food. (for example, don't we all feel like a cheap-ass for not ordering that double-quarter-pounder meal deal instead of ordering from the dollar menu to get smaller portions?) Further, the content of our most available foods are a lot higher in calories than they have been in the past and this is largely due to increases in highly processed ingredients and preservatives and the like. While other nations have outlawed many of the more offensive ingredients, the U.S. has failed to issue as many restrictions which I believe is one of the most significant reasons that the U.S. is one of the most obese nations in the world today.

    So what can we do? The best thing is to buy less and eat less. It takes a lot of effort to eat less, but in time your stomach will shrink and it will actually become difficult to eat as much as you are now accustomed to eating. This helps a lot, but it's the best answer for everyone and often leads to feelings of hunger and tiredness even after the adjustment in intake is made. (Keep in mind that the purpose of expensive and elective gastric alteration surgical is to serve this exact cause but people prefer to make these changes in their bodies rather than to make changes in their self-discipline.) Another thing is to start sending comments to your government representatives about fixing healthcare by fixing the problems with our food! (Imagine national healthcare costs plummeting because we aren't getting diabetes or any of the other health problems associated with obesity with the same frequency. That's what we see in nations with better controls over food content and since we're all the same species, we can expect similar results by enforcing similar rules.)

    And before anyone start the criticism or attacks, let me just say that I am obese. I am working on it, but it's damned hard. I'm 200lbs (+/- 5lbs) when I should be 180lbs or less. I own more clothes that I cannot wear than clothes that I can. (I don't want to buy more "fat clothes" because that merely feeds the problem. I want to wear my old clothes.) And to better tie my commentary in with the original story, I feel a LOT less smart than I was when I was operating at my prime weight. And since I have been losing weight, I am feeling a lot more alert and aware than I have in a while and I sleep better and need less sleep as well. The benefits are obvious. And when the main course of action is simply to do less of what is causing the problem, it's not unreasonable or even expensive to pull off. I sure as hell haven't stopped eating at McDonald's... I just eat slightly more than the contents of a kid's meal instead of super-sizing everything.

  13. Bogus stats, however. by mikehoskins · · Score: 3, Informative

    I saw this quote: "the researchers studied brain images of 94 people in their 70s who had participated in an earlier study looking at cardiovascular health and cognition."

    At that point, I said, "Stop. What a useless study." Look at the sample size again... 94?!?!? That has a roughly 10% margin of error built in to the sample size (at a 95% confidence interval). At least they included the sample size! ...and then there's the operative word "study...." That, word (in the singular, no less), gives me all sorts of warm fuzzies.

    So, is that 8% (+/- 10%) less brain mass for obese elderly people or a range from 7.2% to 8.8% for obese elderly people, based on this sample and a 95% confidence interval? I'm thinking the former.

    In statistics class, this was called by the name "statistical deception." Just because a single study of 94 people says so, don't believe it. It has a roughly 50% chance of being right -- or wrong (at a 100% confidence interval) but so do psychics, horoscopes, and fortune cookies.

    Junk science prevails in the popular press. Anything sensational gets front-page headlines -- it gets grant money and sells news. It doesn't matter that the next study contradicts it, the next supports it, the next contradicts that one, and on and on the tennis match goes....

    Once this has been peer reviewed numerous times with tens of thousands of people per study, call me. I'll be getting a snack, in the mean time.

    Here's a couple of links to refresh people with the term "margin of error:"
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error
        http://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c040607a.asp

    1. Re:Bogus stats, however. by GreenCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sense that you may have some concern over the implications of this study. If you think these results troubling and wish to discredit them, consider asking for a wider study rather than calling it junk science. Their margin of error may be off, but I doubt it's by a significant enough amount to warrant being labeled 'Junk Science'

  14. Re:The link between carbohydrate consumption and A by brian0918 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The idea that you can make a couple of simple changes and lose lots of weight is great for building a money milking industry on top of

    Well, actually it was pretty easy for me, and everyone I've recommended this diet to has had similar results - 15-20 lbs dropped in under a month. I myself lost 40 lbs and have kept it off for a year. My weight loss was all without exercise - I didn't want to confound the data, so I avoided all exercise. I also didn't starve myself - I ate whenever I was hungry, and even then was eating 1400-2200 Calories a day. The diet was simply meats, fish, eggs, bacon, cheeses, dairy, some vegetables, minimal low-carb fruits (e.g. berries). For beverages: dry red wine, tea, coffee. Very simple.

    I had been taking blood pressure medication for a couple years before this - my highest was 145/95. I eventually had to stop taking the medication - after about 20 lbs weight loss - because I was getting light headed and my blood pressure was dropping too low. Now I'm at normal blood pressure.

    After a couple weeks on the diet, you lose all interest in bread and pasta. I don't remember the last time I had a slice of bread, or even bought a loaf of bread.

    As for why it's so hard for everyone else to lose weight - all I can say is they're following bad advice. It's kind of disturbing that whether or not you are successful in weight loss can depend on which doctor you happen to have. I have seen doctors recommend the usual AMA/AHA/NIH nonsense about eating low-fat, and I have seen doctors who actually know what they're talking about, know all about the connection between carbohydrate (specifically fructose) ingestion and insulin resistance, ketosis, etc, and make good recommendations.

    I have personally gotten both my parents on this diet, and at least three of my friends, and they've all had the same results - minimum 20 lbs dropped in a maximum of a month. Weight loss is actually pretty easy.