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Crime Expert Backs Call For "License To Compute"

The Cable Guy writes to mention that Russel Smith, one of Australia's principal criminologists, is pushing for first-time computer users to be required to earn a license to browse the web. "The Australian Computer Society launched computer driver's licenses in 1999. It aimed to give users a basic level of competency before they started using PCs. But the growth in cybercrime has led to IT security experts such as Eugene Kaspersky to call for more formalized recognition of a user's identity so they can travel the net safely. Last week Dr. Smith sat in front of a Federal Government Inquiry into cybercrime and advised Australia's senior politicians on initiatives in train to fight cybercrime. He said that education was secondary to better technology solutions."

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  1. WTF? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    more formalized recognition of a user's identity so they can travel the net safely

    How does letting THEM, know who I am, make ME safer?

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    1. Re:WTF? by Zen+Hash · · Score: 5, Funny

      How does letting THEM, know who I am, make ME safer?

      The same way painting your car red makes it go faster.

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    2. Re:WTF? by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Agreed. Look at these particularly stupid statements: (1) "devise technology that makes it difficult or impossible for people to be defrauded" So some sort of mind control/constraint device for people then? Ha, ha. (2) "At the moment we have drivers licences for cars, and cars are very dangerous machines. Computers are also quite dangerous" Haven't seen anyone run over by a computer recently. I wonder what is the death toll caused by poor "driving" of a computer these days?

      blatant plagiarizing is breathtakingly stupid
      ...from the comments in the origional story

      A duo of breathtakingly stupid statements: (1) "devise technology that makes it difficult or impossible for people to be defrauded" Oh right. So some sort of mind control/constraint device for people then? (2) "At the moment we have drivers licences for cars, and cars are very dangerous machines. Computers are also quite dangerous" Haven't seen anyone run over by a computer recently. What exactly is the death toll caused by poor "driving" of a computer these days?

      nice try though

    3. Re:WTF? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When all you see at your job all day long is a bunch of nails, you start looking for a big old hammer.

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    4. Re:WTF? by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hmmm. This requirement that you need a license/ID to "travel the net" is roughly equivalent to saying I need a license to walk down the sidewalk. "Papiere bitte." "I don't have any papers." "Papiere schnell!" "I told you I don't have any papers. Hey! Let go!" And then you get arrested for walking without ID.

      You shouldn't need "permission" to travel freely either IRL or online.

      Something like this happened on my Alma Mater. My old professor invited me to come visit for a student presentation day, which I did, and then I had dinner with some of the students, and watched a little MTV in the *public* lounge. Suddenly a security guard came-up and demanded my ID. I said it's in my car. Then she tried to escort me to the security office, and I refused. I told her I'll just leave and did so, even though she tried to stop me (I run faster).

      To say I was angry is an understatement. Can you imagine the same thing happening everywhere you go in real life, or on the net???

      Oh:

      And yes the president of the college got an angry phonecall. I told him that he won't be getting any more donations from me. If my presence as a graduate is not welcome, then neither is my money.

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    5. Re:WTF? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, at least now we have the explanation for your painfully parochial world view.

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    6. Re:WTF? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the analogy you are missing is the one that involves having a license to read. After all, it's a lot more efficient that burning books. Just give everyone a test for proper thinking before you give them a license to use this "dangerous" medium. You think Kennedy was killed by someone other than J Edgar Hoover's man in the CIA? You think WTC 7 looks suspiciously like a controlled demolition? No reading for you, sonny.

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    7. Re:WTF? by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, since Slashdot has gotten better about not posting so many dupes, people have to look somewhere other than yesterday's posting of the same story for highly-rated comments.

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    8. Re:WTF? by fooslacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fairness there's no way he could have known that another Slashdotter would actually read the story...that's like a million to one against.

    9. Re:WTF? by Teancum · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most people forget that a passport is a relatively recent "invention" of governments. Prior to the 20th Century, and even throughout most of the 20th Century, most ordinary citizens did not have a passport when traveling between countries. This was originally a device to indicate some sort of diplomatic status and to certify that status on an official basis.

      Countries, even modern industrialized countries with large and very mobile populations with access to cheap transportation methods affordable by ordinary laborers, had citizens that were able to and indeed did travel between other countries... including as mere "tourists". You were pretty much who you claimed to be, and if you packed up and moved elsewhere establishing a new identify, nobody really cared as long as you were law-abiding and generally neighborly.

      This said, telling somebody from a law-enforcement agency that they don't need to see your identification is generally frowned upon as those in law enforcement love to be in charge and in control. A lack of ID puts the officer at a distinct disadvantage as they simply don't know how to react to a perfect stranger with no background as to who that person might be. Getting the ID (including passport) implies that the law enforcement agencies and officers can get a database on who you are, how harmless or otherwise you might be, and to track your actions and movements. Information, any information in this case, is power. This data can and will be used against you for any of their purposes... which is why liberty-seeking individuals bristle at the thought of giving ID information for nearly any reason, and then only reluctantly.

  2. In Soviet Australia: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Computers license YOU !

    Yours In Ulyanovsk,
    Kilgore Trout

  3. Classic example by G33kGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Classic example of trading freedom for "security", I can only hope this is not put through. This could also severely restrict younger peoples (legal) access to the internet, narrowing their horizons drastically.

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    1. Re:Classic example by txoof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin

      It is rather idiotic to relate using a computer to using operating a vehicle. A two ton piece of steel flying down the highway at 120k/h is vastly more of a public safety threat than any shmo using a laptop. Not only does this proposition fail to consider the nightmare of registering private individuals, but it does not take into consideration the corporate nightmare it would cause. Who would need the license, the individual operating the computer, or the owner of the computer? Would this mean that internet cafes (and the small anonymity they provide) be doomed because everyone would be forced to provide some sort of identifier token? What about libraries? This sort of identification requirement would force libraries and their entire mission of providing freely accessible information in jeopardy.

      This looks like either a poorly thought out plan to help regulate stupidity or a power grab. As evidenced by warning labels on coffee cups, plastic bags and every other mass-produced item, trying to protect people from their own stupidity is nearly impossible. On the other hand, this would be a huge boon for those that wish to dissolve freedom and anonymity on the internet. Granted the average person leaves flashing neon signs with most of their personal data flashing in 1km high letters when they browse, there are still a large number of people that take online anonymity seriously and use it to their advantage for all sorts of reasons the most important being political dissidents.

      A simpler solution would be to set up a Great-Firewall much like China's. Even though the GFW has proven to be less than great, it provides basically the same mechanism for keeping people out of the reach of "dangerous ideas".

      Let's focus on educating people as to their rights and responsible behavior rather than trying to remove their liberties. We should also probably focus some of that energy on making the intertubes more robust and less prone to point failures and exploits; making the network more robust and idiot proof would benefit the entire world and help make dangerous and promiscuous users a danger to them selves rather than the entire world.

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  4. Old Joke by meerling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Techies have been joking about this for many decades.

    Realistically though, we all know it's about as likely as needing a license to read or talk.

    I find it hard to believe anyone is actually wanting such a concept to become law. What's next, a license for sex?

    1. Re:Old Joke by Dan541 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's next, a license for sex?

      We used to, it was called marriage.

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  5. Basic safety steps - Saving AU $500k in dev cost by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Australia:

    1. Get a hardware firewall and configure it properly.

    2. Don't open unexpected attachments, even if you're trying to help because those strata minutes must have been sent to you by mistake and you should read them to find out who to send them to.

    3. Don't click the banners.

    4. No, it's not true. Don't forward the email.

    5. If a computer asks you for information, lie.

    6. It's not your bank. It's NEVER your bank. It's also never paypal, amazon, your ISP, or the police.

    Love,
    1999.

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  6. something that should be learned in school by pwizard2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can understand where they are coming from, but they are going to implement it wrong. (with the heavy-handed license approach) Rather, I think that computer literacy should be something that should be taught in school along with reading and math, since computer skills essential in this day and age. The class shouldn't be about how to use popular software, (although covering operating systems besides Windows would be a plus) but should cover basic skills instead. People need to learn why they shouldn't click the "greetingcard.exe" attachment in their email inbox or why it is a bad idea to share too much personal information online. People don't always pick on stuff like that by themselves, so it has to be taught.

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  7. Re:Like a driver's license by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    None of those things are true, nor are senior citizens the only dipshits out there.

    This is moronic legislation put forth by corrupt, ignorant, and incompetent politicians. It would serve no useful purpose, not even helping people avoid fraud. It is stupidity, pure and simple.

    Sheesh...

  8. Re:Nonsense by dave562 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like yet another reason, to create yet another bureaucracy, to collect yet more fees from people for doing the same things that they do every day.

  9. Re:Basic safety steps - Saving AU $500k in dev cos by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should put that on billboards and every other kind of public service announcement all over the world. Not that it would work particularly well, but over time it might. Like the gradual reduction of smoking in the US.

  10. Re:Nonsense by SL+Baur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Honestly I'd like to see them create separate tests for Linux, Mac and Windows

    That's hardly an inclusive list. I'm not going to bother reading the article, the idea of an internet license has been floated for a long time now, but they probably need to add smart phones too.

    If this actually makes sense (I do not think it does), the obvious next step is to require people to purchase internet insurance in case they get into an accident/install malware and spread SPAM or DDOS attacks.

    Sigh.

  11. Re:Nonsense by mysidia · · Score: 3, Funny

    Also, if you live in the US, and want to use a computer to connect to a .AU web site, you're going to have to fly all the way to Australia to take your computing test at the Australian Department of Electro Computers to get a license and therefore permission to access the australian interweb, otherwise you'll get a warning on your first offense, assessed a large escalating fine on your second, third, and fourth offenses, and finally, on your fifth offense, you will be required to mail your computer to the AU enforcement office for impoundment until you settle matters.

    This is clearly thinly-disguised proposal to bolster Australia's tourism industry, in light of the economic recession.

  12. Re:Nonsense by mcpkaaos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Honestly I'd like to see them create separate tests for Linux, Mac and Windows cause one test does NOT apply to all three.

    Well, the real test with Linux is installing it. The real test with Windows is not having to reinstall it every few months. I've only used a Mac a handful of times, but I'd imagine the real test there is enduring the daily beatings for your lunch money.

    Okay, I tend to agree with you.

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  13. Please don't tempt them by srjh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With any other country I'd be prepared to laugh it off, but the current Australian government is stupid, technologically ignorant and authoritarian enough to try this.

    They're pushing for enough control of the internet as it is, a license to communicate in the first place is just begging for abuse.

  14. Re:Nonsense by mysidia · · Score: 4, Funny

    I expect Linux and Mac users probably require a special "UNIX" endorsment on their license to run a real OS, like large truck drivers need.

    iPhone and similar mobile devices (with mobile browsers) need a license similar to what one needs to legally operate a motorcycle.

    This could cause a resurgence in simpler phone devices, they'd have a niche market for people who don't want to pay the fees for a special license to operate a web browser on a phone.

    Also, don't forget, these licenses only last 4 years, they contain a picture, and can only be renewed online once every other time.

    So every 8 years, you have to go back to the Department of Electrocomputers and wait in line for 2 or 3 hours to get your renewal, as well as your typing skills (WPM) test.

  15. In other news... by martas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Experts have called for the introduction of a mandatory license for ownership of Dihydrogen Monoxide, citing its common usage in the illegal manufacturing of most controlled substances.

  16. "He said that education was secondary....." by nnnnnnn · · Score: 3, Funny


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  17. Re:Nonsense by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We Mac users don't have 'lunch money'. Carrying cash is far below us, and we wouldn't dream of any meal as pedestrian as 'lunch'. We live mainly on a diet of coffee (real coffee, not the plebeian Starbucks imitation that Windows-users drink or [shudder] instant coffee). When we dine, we do so lavishly, at the expense of others.

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  18. Re:Nonsense by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Funny

    What can you do on Linux that can't be done in windows?
    Make fun of the Windows users from the high vantage point of a Linux user?

  19. Licenses that are given can be taken away by scifiber_phil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once the government gains the power to grant a license, it has the power to take away the license. Then, people start censoring themselves. (if I say the wrong thing on the internet, they'll take away my license.) I have to give my SSN every year just to get a license to fish, and the little machine checks into a state database before it will print out the license. It sure leaves no doubt as to who is the serf and who is the landed gentry in this relationship. Similar things would happen with an internet license, but worse.

  20. Re:Shhh ... by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bah, STDs aren't bad. Kids you don't want are far worse.
     
    I'm an inhuman monster who things we should sterilize everyone at 12. If they want kids some time later, have them pass a simple parenting test, and the process is reversed.
     
    Having spent a lot of time around kids who were the product of "oh shit, I'm pregnant", it doesn't seem like a bad idea at all. Parents who are willing to jump through hoops to have a kid are far more likely to raise a good one than those who didn't want one, but had one anyway.

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