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Drop in P2P Traffic Attributed To Traffic Shaping

An anonymous reader writes "A new report based on data from 100 US and European ISPs claims P2P traffic has dropped to around 20% of all Internet traffic. This is down from the 40% two years ago (also reported by the same company which sells subscriber traffic management equipment to ISPs). The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping: 'In fact, the P2P daily trend is pretty much completely inverted from daily traffic. In other words, P2P reaches its low at 4pm when web and overall Internet traffic approaches its peak ... trend is highly suggestive of either persistent congestion or, more likely, evidence of widespread provider manipulation of P2P traffic rates.'"

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  1. Another possible cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There may be a "market saturation" effect. I know people who were downloading gigabytes a month (maybe a week) of songs and videos, but in the past year or two they have tapered off. They've gotten most of the stuff they've wanted, and now are just listening to and watching it.

    1. Re:Another possible cause by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason is obvious - there are now easier ways to get free music. Just go to last.fm or Spotify.

      Finally we are seeing sites that "get it" and can successfully compete with free.

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    2. Re:Another possible cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interestingly enough, I discovered a few days ago that my ISP offers access to its own "free unlimited downloads music website" to all their broadband subscribers (without any additional charges), which again suggests that P2P networks are seen as dangerous not because they distribute content for free, but because they are free to distribute without corporate control.

    3. Re:Another possible cause by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. Many popular TV series are between seasons right now. This ridiculously long lapse between seasons is utterly destroying me! I have to think and use my mind now and sometimes it hurts!

    4. Re:Another possible cause by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because uTorrent is a no install, 30 seconds to port forward one port program that's completely free? If you have trouble setting up uTorrent, you don't belong here.

    5. Re:Another possible cause by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "A lot of P2P users out there aren't aware that they're sharing their whole drive"

      Sorry, that's not a P2P program. That's a trojan. Doesn't matter if the trojan is named eMule, Bearshare, and that the firewall/AV/malware filter accepts it - it's still a trojan.

      We've read about Skype's hidden "features" of recording and forwarding conversations. When configured to do so, that's a trojan.

      By definition, anything that forwards information without the user's informed consent is a trojan.

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    6. Re:Another possible cause by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention on the gaming front the modding communities have gotten so good you can make games last for a looooooong time. Hell I am still finding new worlds and ships to play in Freelancer, and that was released....what? 2003? I've found even the games I pick up in the bargain bin have good mods out for them nowadays, and I'm betting there are many like me that are just picking up mods for the games they already have, or in my case actually bought, than bothering getting more games via P2P.

      The system reqs for the latest and greatest are frankly getting ridiculous, and in this dead economy folks aren't spending the big bucks building top o' the line gamer rigs anymore. It is simply easier to go to the modding community and get new missions, levels, weapons, etc for the stuff I already have and know works than to deal with the crappy alpha quality code that passes for game releases nowadays.

      Of course that means that sales will go down, as folks aren't actually buying OR stealing much with the bandwidth caps and the crazy system reqs, but not to worry, I'm sure they'll blame the failure of their next shitty WW2 themed shooter or game which is a "multiplatform" bad port of an X360 game on P2P piracy anyway. It is such a convenient scapegoat that way. Meanwhile I'm downloading another mod for Delta Force Xtreme which I picked up in the bargain bin for $10, which actually turned out to be a fun game once I added a few mods which added better AI and weapon balance. Pretty sad that the modders seem to be better at game balance and design than a lot of game developers out there.

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  2. ISP awareness by GarretSidzaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there has to be more to this. obviously the ISP's are very aware of P2P networks. They market this in commercials that say "download music at increased rates!" which are in context about purchasing mp3's but belie the fact that they provide infrastructure to P2P networks, and anti-IP scenes.

    And im not saying that this is a bad thing...

  3. in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... usenet usage has grown to 25% of all internet traffic. people move on (or in this case back) to safer technologies. the xIAA are targeting P2P users, so people move away from P2P.

    what's traffic shaping got to do with it?

  4. Isn't much worth downloading as of late. by r6_jason · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There really hasn't been all that much worth downloading as of late. You can only download the classics so many times, the new content coming out just isn't all that good, be it games, movies or music. I'm sure we'll see a small up tick when the new Star Trek movie hits the underground though.

  5. The only thing killing p2p in the UK is Spotify. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even my CD collection is gathering dust, finally music streaming that just works.

  6. Poor analysis by Zouden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping"

    The data allows no such conclusion to be drawn. In fact, since all they've done is compared P2P as a percent of total traffic, it's probably more likely that the total traffic has increased.

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    1. Re:Poor analysis by rawls · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The data for this report was taken during week days in July, when most big TV series are on a break (and as a consequence there is a lot less to download).

      Whereas (although I couldn't find anything specifying the actual dates) the data for the study two years ago seems to have been taken earlier in the year.

  7. More reasonable explanation by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So torrents used to compose 40% of traffic. Now it's 20%. What's changed in the last year?

    * youporn.com and similar sites have popped up where they did not previously.
    * hulu.com now exists.

    That right there could easily cover 90% of people's media interests. Especially now that I'm not really into movies as much as I used to be (they suck more, and TV shows are, in some ways, getting better).

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  8. You *can* detect encrypted bittorrent by jonaskoelker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Encrypted torrent traffic can - to my knowledge - not be detected by the ISP

    See http://www.shmoocon.org/2007/speakers.html for Rob King and Rohit Dhamankar on "Encrypted Protocol Identification via Statistical Analysis".

    Here's a brief recap: by looking at {mean value, variance} of {packet size, interpacket delays} going {up, down} and packet entropy for a specific flow, you get a point in a nine-dimensional space. Encrypted protocols tend to cluster together.

    So here's the ISP algorithm: Measure a flow, find its nearest cluster, guess that behind the encryption is traffic of the protocol belonging in that cluster. If bittorrent, kill.

    Note that Rob & Dohit don't look at how many simultaneous connections you make. That also tends to give away P2P traffic.

    So the ISP can see you're P2P'ing. They can't detect whether it's illegal, or who should sue you, but they can (probably) see it's bittorrent.