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Scientists Levitate Mice for NASA

sterlingda writes to tell us that scientists have built a mouse-levitating superconducting magnet, working on behalf of NASA to study variable levels of gravity. The group hopes to ascertain what physiological impacts prolonged exposure to microgravity might have. "Repeated levitation tests showed the mice, even when not sedated, could quickly acclimate to levitation inside the cage. After three or four hours, the mice acted normally, including eating and drinking. The strong magnetic fields did not seem to have any negative impacts on the mice in the short term, and past studies have shown that rats did not suffer from adverse effects after 10 weeks of strong, non-levitating magnetic fields."

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  1. bipolar mice? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

    are some of them north-oriented and some south?

    can you make a compass out of them?

    if you put one of those mickeys near a HDD, does it erase some of the data?

    and finally, where do you find ferrous-enriched cheese to feed them?

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    1. Re:bipolar mice? by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ok... I know I should be more attentive but when I first read that headline I thought;

      Scientists Levitate Miss USA

      That would be something... Maybe they can just levitate that dress...

    2. Re:bipolar mice? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why does everyone think it's normal for mice, to eat partially digested and rotten (with the help of bacteria) cow milk? What do you think they do without humans? Suck on tits of dead cows? ^^

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    3. Re:bipolar mice? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Informative

      For that matter, why does anyone think it's normal for humans to eat cow secretions?

      Ah; now that's a more interesting one. Once upon a time it wasn't normal however, (almost certainly, unless you are a freak or are Chinese) you and your genetically dominant have been taking advantage of a recent gene mutation to make that normal.

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    4. Re:bipolar mice? by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok... I know I should be more attentive but when I first read that headline I thought;

      Scientists Levitate Miss USA

      I personally believe that U.S. scientists are unable to do so because, um, some scientists out there in our nation don't have magnets and, uh, I believe that our, uh, research like such as, uh, Caltech and, uh, the Harvard and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our research over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, should help Caltech and should help the Harvard and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future.

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    5. Re:bipolar mice? by flynt · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's begging the question. By definition, whatever humans do as a species is ipso facto *normal*. What is considered normal will change over time though.

  2. Been done before... by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look for The Flying DutchFrog to see electromagnet experiments in levitation on other vertebrates.

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    1. Re:Been done before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      From TFA:

      Other researchers have made live frogs and grasshoppers float in mid-air before, but such research with mice, being closer biologically to humans, could help in studies to counteract bone loss due to reduced gravity over long spans of time, as might be expected in deep space missions or on the surfaces of other planets.

  3. I've done similar experiments before... by TommydCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...using a 3-man slingshot and dead squirrels.

    The dead squirrels did not seem to suffer adverse effects while they were levitating, though it must be said they were in this state only for a few moments and there were adverse effects after they struck their respective targets.

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    1. Re:I've done similar experiments before... by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...using a 3-man slingshot and dead squirrels. The dead squirrels did not seem to suffer adverse effects while they were levitating, though it must be said they were in this state only for a few moments and there were adverse effects after they struck their respective targets.

      Dear sir or ma'am, I am a colleague of yours in the respected field of Airborne Necromancy and would like to see your records and raw data. Specifically I am interested to see trajectory and ballistics data on said deceased squirrel and would like to know targets, their reaction and splash radius (if any). Also, I require data on the haired appendage attached to the posterior of the squirrel and would like to know if it emitted a satisfactory trailing manifold while said furry body traveled along its arc. Also, if you have raw data on the reactions of homo sapiens of the homogametic sex upon realization of said ballistic squirrel, I would be eternally grateful for it and any footage of shear horror and/or terror. I look forward to peer reviewing your research in next month's issue of Bodies in Flight. Good day!

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    2. Re:I've done similar experiments before... by TommydCat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear eldavojohn - thank you very much for your interest in our research.

      Unfortunately data collected on targetted facial responses is strictly limited to third-party hear-say information since the data collection stopped shortly after levitation was achieved due to personal safety risks to the research team if they were to have remained on-site. The time period of this research predates the "YouTube" era, and indeed no video recording devices were available that wouldn't prove too bulky for safe movement during the personnel evacuation window.

      While my submission cannot be considered authoritative in this subject by peer review, it is refreshing to see other researchers interested in this field of study.

      Good day to you and keep your head down!

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    3. Re:I've done similar experiments before... by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Refusal to relay your data to me?! I'll have you know I am the professor emeritus eldavojohn from Peter Wiggin's School for the Demented Brothers. Perhaps you've heard of it? Yes, well, I'm kind of a big deal there.

      Your unwillingness to share crucial data to our pain-staking squirrel research not only upsets me but mars the very foundation upon which we have built our esteemed ideals and research. Furthermore your lack of savvy in the sub-field of post experiment egress and planning belie your innocence and naive dabbling in such a rewarding and rich genre of science.

      In short, I recommend you put the squirrel slingshot down before you fail to hurt someone and leave the research to those of us properly equipped with chinchilla Gatling guns. Your work may make for a great show on the Discovery Channel but there's no place for you in my school.

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    4. Re:I've done similar experiments before... by TommydCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      While I cannot understand why you are so emphatic, I can empathize your position in this matter. We can expedite recreation of said research data and deliver it by air courier. Kindly prepare to receive a few drops presently, as soon as we fortify our research site with duct-taped cats and a tarp.

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  4. No video? by genner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why no video?
    Flying mice on youtube would bring more media coverage of this.

  5. Re:no side effects?! by bcmm · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it works on the water in the animal. Red blood cells aren't ferromagnetic; all the iron is in haemoglobin, not little metallic bits.

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  6. Re:Pics? by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny
  7. Re:Seriously, Slashdot? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was going to mod you down, then I decided to respond instead.

    Slashdot has always been behind the "news" cycle.

    This is fine. Most people don't come here for breaking news, they come here for (sometimes) informative, enlightened, or humorous discussion of the article and related topics.

    I'll just add that your griping is none of those things. If what you care about is being the first to read about something, then please feel free to go elsewhere. And feel free to not bother with the discussion on Slashdot when the same item is up a day or two later... you won't be missed if what you post is similar to the post I'm responding to.

    Oh, and one last thing... Slashdot is a news aggregator. There is very, very little original content in the items posted to the main page. However, it is a community-driven site. If you're unhappy that items come through later here than elsewhere, one thing YOU can do to improve it is to submit articles yourself in a timely manner.

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  8. Re:B-b-b-but, EM radiation! by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Funny

    This was a static field. A static field is like resting your head on the floor. An oscillating field is like beating your head against the floor.

    Of course, nothing will stop some people from claiming that strong static magnetic fields cause cancer. Maybe they can fight it out with the people who say that they cure disease.

  9. An interesting experiment by malevolentjelly · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be honest with you, when you reach this level of awesome in your experimentation, you don't even need a premise. The NASA scientists could have simply announced that they did it for the lulz and it would be okay.

    I think the public would excuse it.

  10. Re:Seriously, Slashdot? by bmckeever · · Score: 4, Funny

    they come here for (sometimes) informative, enlightened, or humorous discussion of the article and related topics.

    I come here for the depressingly predictable jokes. Where's my "I for one..."? Ah, there it is.

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  11. Magnetic Field to add Gravity in Space by tromtone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the other perspective, could this technology be used to add "gravity" (or a downward force equal to the Earth's gavity at the crust) in space? ...an alternative to centripetal force?

  12. Re:Sounds fun! by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wait? Wha? Highschool physics much? How was this post modded 5+ informative when it's so wrong?

    With 16T, you can levitate an object of any size so long as it predominantly consists of water. It's not like a 1g frog will float, but a 2g frog will fall in the same magnetic field. The reason why the things floated are small is because its easier to make small magnetic fields. If you have a current going around a loop, and you double the radius of that loop, your peak magnetic field drops by a factor of 4. You do not need 150kT to levitate a human. You just need a magnet that is physically larger with the same field strength and geometry.

    One more thing. It's not just the magnitude of the magnetic field that controls whether something will levitate or not. The key is that the magnetic field gets weaker as you move up. Wikipedia tells me that levitation power is proportional to B*dB/dZ. (the magnitude of the field times how quickly it diminishes as you move upward) That is to say, if you had a 150kT magnetic field, and it was constant everywhere, you wouldn't float in it.

  13. How this works by DrLudicrous · · Score: 4, Informative
    Disclaimer: I'm an MR Physicist.

    Regarding gradients: The gradients used in MRI vary in *position*. Yes in time, as well, but only because they are pulsed. We can ignore ramping issues to first order. Since the field varies as a function of position, when you move around, indeed the flux is changing which can induce currents in looped conductors so as to oppose the change. This is called induction. Many people, my self included, notice a strange sensation when first entering an MRI magnet. This is because the field is only homogeneous over a relatively small volume, outside of which there are once again field gradients (these are different than the intentional field gradients used to obtain an MRI image). It is probably not axons but something in the ear that is picking this up, I am not sure. Also, field strength has *nothing* to do with this effect. It's how fast the field changes as a function of position, i.e. the gradient, combined with the velocity of the pickup object.

    Regarding repulsion: Water is diamagnetic. That means that the little spins (i.e. electrons) orbiting the atoms of a water molecule tend to align *against* the applied field direction. These spins will experience a repulsive force, hence the levitation.