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Darwin's Voyage Done Over, Live

thrill12 writes "Almost 178 years ago, Charles Darwin set sail in the HMS Beagle, to do the now famous explorations that formed the basis for Darwin's On The Origin Of Species. Now, a group of British and Dutch scientists, journalists and artists set sail again to redo the voyage of the Beagle. This time, they are taking modern equipment with them and they have live connections through Twitter, Youtube, Facebook and Flickr. As they re-explore, and (re)discover, we can join that 8-month-long trip, live over the internet."

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  1. Almost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Almost 178 years ago, this piece of news was released to the world. Now, Slashdot reports."

  2. Re:This is 2009. by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    By now the finches will have evolved to feed on natural historians, and other assorted crew.

  3. Waste of time? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whoever thinks this should be tagged waste of time is just silly. Hell, if I were single and had the opportunity this would be a really interesting experience. If the media attention helps to remind people even a little of the fragility of the ecological balance on the planet all the better, and surely not a waste of time.

    (Disclaimer: I don't believe that an "ecological balance" equals no changes, but we can't honestly claim not to be raping the planet in several aspects at the moment. IMHO anyway...)

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    1. Re:Waste of time? by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, if I were single and had the opportunity this would be a really interesting experience.

      I am sure that a lot of married people would be interested as well to get away for 8 months.

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    2. Re:Waste of time? by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "evolution" is still very controversial stuff

      This is, quite unfortunately, true in America these days. I find it positively baffling that 60% of a modern society can find it appropriate to take the word of a goat herder who lived in a tent 4,000 years ago over the whole of modern science. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Evolution is a fact. It is no longer in dispute that all life on Earth evolved over about 3 billion years and that all life has a common unicellular ancestor, and that life tends to become more complex over time, the human race included. This has been proven by biology, archaeology, paleontology, anthropology, geology, chemistry, and virtually every field of modern science. It is astonishing that this is still controversial and makes it very clear why things like the War in Iraq and Income Taxes are possible -- the vast majority of people out there are maddeningly stupid and proudly ignorant.

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  4. BORING. by cffrost · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's see a live re-creation of RMS Titanic's maiden voyage. Now that would be good television.

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    1. Re:BORING. by sadness203 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But, you see, iceberg are not fitted to survive the rapidly evolving climate change... They didn't adapt to the new reality. Soon, they will be gone like thousand of other species before it, they will be on the wall with the Dodo bird. And we'll hear no more of their rabid and vicious attacks on unwary sea captain! Bastard iceberg.

  5. This type of educational movie making is good by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The last time there was a truly made-for-the-classroom movie, it was called The Voyage of the Mimi. It not only brought the crisis of dwindling humpback whale populations to elementary school students, it provided survival education lessons on avoiding contaminated foods, creating drinkable water, and building shelter. I'd not be so quick to dismiss edutainment, especially when it is in the pursuit of re-enacting one of the most important non-hard scientific studies of all time.

    As an added bonus, you never know which child actor will grow up to become one of Hollywood's most popular and gifted actors.

    1. Re:This type of educational movie making is good by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd not be so quick to dismiss edutainment, especially when it is in the pursuit of re-enacting one of the most important non-hard scientific studies of all time.

      But the original voyage was a hard scientific study. The Beagle was on a mission to verify chronometer readings and thereby confirm readings of longitude around S. America. Darwin did his other stuff on his own time. And he hadn't developed any theory on natural selection at that time, he was just a keen naturalist who took the opportunity to gather samples and make drawings. It was only after seeing all those different forms of life that he started to develop his theory. So he didn't make the facts fit the theory, his theory was based on observable evidence.

  6. Deification of Darwin by SlashBugs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This does sound like a cool project and I'll keep an eye on it, but I worry about the consequences of lauding Darwin and his work too much. Creationists, IDers and other crackpots often attack evolution by attacking errors or omissions that Darwin made, ignoring almost two centuries of refinements and advancements since his work. They also love to strawman scientists and other people who accept the evidence for evolution by referring to them as "Darwinists", implying that it's a simple case of "faith in God" vs. "faith in Darwin", rather than a matter of evidence.

    Darwin certainly deserves to be remembered and respected for the amazing groundwork and insights he gave us. But I think there's a danger of looking too fixated on one personality and his centuries-old pronouncements at the expense of modern and more solid results. It sucks that we have to consider stuff like this, but like it or not there is an ideological battle going on. Because IDers and creationists are basing their arguments on emotion and strawmen, we have to consider what attacks we're exposing ourselves to, even (or especially) if they're unfair and totally illogical.

    It does look like the ship will be packed with modern research equipment; hopefully the media they put out will heavily emphasise the modern data supporting evolution and acknowledging where Darwin's work has been improved upon, emphasising the success of the scientific method over the hero-worship.

    1. Re:Deification of Darwin by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Creationists and IDers will get their panties in a bunch no matter what you do. Best just to ignore them, because changing what you do for their sake is just a way of being manipulated by them.

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    2. Re:Deification of Darwin by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, be redoing Darwin's voyage is also an tribute to one of the key features of the scientific method: repeatability.

    3. Re:Deification of Darwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps Richard Dawkins talks about "Darwinian Evolution" as opposed to the other methods of evolution people have come up with. Darwin does deserve to be associated with the current Theory of Evolution since he got so much of it correct. That is not "Worship" as you say, but giving credit where credit is due.

      From what you've said, me thinks you don't know what the Scientific Method is.

      It isn't something to have faith in. It is a method of finding out truth from non-truth and it is the best way anyone has found to discern the difference. The Scientific Method is also self-correcting so if we have refined Darwin's theory, that is Science working as it should.

      If we don't rely on the Scientific Method to find out the truth, what do you propose we use instead?

    4. Re:Deification of Darwin by mdwh2 · · Score: 2

      Dawkins is one of the main faces of anti-Creationism / pro-evolution and he does exhibit Darwin worship. Sure, he's only one person but I've met many like him in their beliefs of evolution.

      What acts do you mean by "Darwin worship"?

      I think it's important to not put too much faith in the scientific method either.

      Now that sounds like a straw man - do you have an example of this?

      Most scientists, and atheists for that matter, are aware of the limits of science (the objection is just to people claim that if science can't answer something, there is something else that somehow can provide answers).

      Dawkins himself did a programme on the dangers of misusing science, for example, people convicted of crimes solely on dodgy scientific evidence.

    5. Re:Deification of Darwin by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Further, many people in our world may not worship Darwin but they worship science and have science as their object of faith.

      .jpg or it didn't happen... I've never even heard of anyone participating in the following "science faith" activities:

      1) Interpretive dance in the full moon-light at the solstice in hope that my copy of "science news" magazine will be delivered.

      2) Sacrificed a goat or chicken before organic chemisty lab in hopes of my grignard reagent not having moisture contamination.

      3) Prayed to the "pharmo-industrial complex" to cure an illness. (their only god is money, anyway)

      4) Sing hymns of praise for the AAVSO website having an easily downloadable light curve for a star I'm interested in.

      Now there are borderline activites, that I think still do not qualify based on intent.

      1) Meditation before a test, doesn't count because its purely for anti-anxiety effects not supernatural communion.

      2) Worshiping the ground the professor walks on doesn't count, although it is treating him as a diety, it is done with the full knowledge he is merely a powerful human.

      3) Reading from scientific "holy books", or even worse, reading the literal word of a powerpoint presentation, is not worshiping the book or its author or even the content, but is merely a (poor) teaching technique. Although people whom read powerpoint presentations to their audience should be burned at the stake, but not for religious reasons.

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    6. Re:Deification of Darwin by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Science can be tested and proven

      Falsified. Science can be tested and falsified.

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  7. cute but no cigar by youn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    wake me up when they do an intergalactic voyage with an FTL drive to see the evolution of life across the universe... darn, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to sleep a long time :)

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  8. So sayeth the book of Darwin by Supurcell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And so the first of many blessed pilgrims set out to become one niche closer to He Who Was Fittest, Darwin. By standing in His very foot prints, they too wouldst experience what was experienced through his highly evolved sensory organs. In their specialized grasping limbs, they wouldst wield the implements by which scrolls of eldritch knowledge would be wrought. As men they did die, but proven to be fit themselves, they too shall survive yet; not through their mortal vessels, but through story and song they outlive the ages.

  9. Live Video?!?!? by t0qer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone know how they're doing live video at sea?

    1. Re:Live Video?!?!? by illustir · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you have the money it is actually not that difficult to do live video links using smallish satellite receivers. A laptop and an antenna the size of a briefcase is all you need to go live on television from anywhere in communication satellite range.

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    2. Re:Live Video?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The main partners in this project are the Dutch and Belgian broadcasting corporations. I saw the first episode and they seemed to be using the same satellite setup they use for live reports.

  10. Dupe - similar story on Slashdot 178 years ago by GNious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dupe - similar story on Slashdot 178 years ago

  11. Re:I gotta get a piece of this. by draco664 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe we could get a grant to recreate the Mayflower and the Titanic in one go. Stuff a ship full of fundementalists and sink it in the Atlantic.

  12. Re:Twitter etc... by Arrawa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually they did. and quite exentsive with that. But as its a Dutch/Belgium cooperation, the site is mostly in Dutch. http://beagle.vpro.nl/ But there is a section in English (and in Spanish and in Portuges) http://beagle.vpro.nl/#/page/item/12/english/

  13. Re:This is 2009. by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    By now the finches will have evolved to feed on natural historians, and other assorted crew.

    "If you watch closely the lower left corner of the picture, you'll be able to see an impressive specimen of Dr. Johansson's newly discovered Devoratrix Historiator; or, as the team liked to call them, a 'skullfucker'"

    "On the next picture you can see a closer image, slightly darkened by some of Dr. Johansson's blood and brain pieces on the camera."

  14. Horrible by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like a great project, however the website has got to be one of the most horrid and difficult to use things Ive seen in a web browser. Ever. Add that apparently they have been drinking from the MS Silverlight koolaid machine, and despite my interest in the project, I can say it will not be a site I will waste my time visiting anymore.

  15. BBC Documentary by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone who is interested in this topic should watch the BBC documentary "Galápagos: The Islands That Changed the World". It is fascinating and beautifully shot. You can buy it on DVD or BD, or rent it from Netflix.

  16. The Voyage of the Beagle by zoeblade · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If anyone's interested, Charles Darwin's book The Voyage of the Beagle is available from Gutenberg, free in both senses of the word.