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Garlic Farmer Wards Off High-Speed Internet

DocVM writes "A Nova Scotia farmer is opposing the construction of a microwave tower for fear it will eventually mutate his organic garlic crop. Lenny Levine, who has been planting and harvesting garlic by hand on his Annapolis Valley land since the 1970s, is afraid his organic crop could be irradiated if EastLink builds a microwave tower for wireless high-speed internet access a few hundred meters from his farm."

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  1. Idiots by Covalent · · Score: 5, Informative

    His crop is already being irradiated...BY THE SUN. Idiots. Sheesh.

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    1. Re:Idiots by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      His crop is already being irradiated...BY THE SUN. Idiots. Sheesh.

      Yeah, and that radiation makes his crops grow to many times their original size! Exactly as 60s sci-fi predicts! So now who's the idiot, huh?

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    2. Re:Idiots by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative

      If anything vegatables and milk should be intentionally irradated as is commonly done in Europe to:

      ...reduce their vitamin content, add toxic radiolytic products like 2-ACBs, and attempt to compensate for unsafe food handling practice that shouldn't have been allowed in the first place? Not to mention increasing the availability of radioisotopes that are perfect for a "dirty bomb"?

      Yes, there are ignorant folks out there who think that irradiation makes food radioactive, which is plainly wrong. That does not mean that irradiation does not have deleterious effects.

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    3. Re:Idiots by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The article is full of the sort of howlers [...]. Where do we start? "Shakes up the molecules" - clearly the phrasing of a person well versed in the concept of ionizing radiation! I'll use wi-fi all day and you can sit next to some cobalt 58 and we'll see what person's molecules get "shaken up" more.

      We are talking about microwave radiation. Microwave radiation cooks food by "shaking" the molecules (of water). Of course that isn't going to cause genetic mutation. Yes the guy is an idiot, but if you're going to get into name calling, try to get your own facts right.

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  2. Wrong kind of radiation by fishnuts · · Score: 5, Informative

    He should stick to farming and leave the radio vs radiation science up to the smart people.

    Someone go point him to the definitions of "Microwave Radiation" and "Ionizing Radiation"

  3. No rationality required? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I think over a period of time it will change the DNA of the garlic because it shakes up the molecules."

    I wonder why he's concerned about the garlic DNA, but not his own? In other news, I objected to a wind farm cos I was worried about the flying saucers crashing into it...

    1. Re:No rationality required? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news, I objected to a wind farm cos I was worried about the flying saucers crashing into it...

      Oh geeze, not this FUD again... Look, yes, flying saucer crashes were a problem with some older, ill-conceived wind farms. But with a little planning, and modern designs, this is essentially a non-issue for the wind farms of today. The most important thing is not to put cattle, sheep, or drunken hillbillies underneath the windfarms so the aliens aren't attracted to them. Next is the design itself. The old scaffolding ones didn't look like anything important to the aliens. The new single-pole ones were designed to look like an alien arm raised up. And a raised arm with all three digits spinning in a circle is a very rude gesture and it's traditional to ignore the offender. So the problem solves itself.

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  4. The Dangers of Wi-Fi by moj0e · · Score: 5, Funny

    I totally agree with the farmer! From my research, it even has dangerous effects
    on humans!

    Here are some of the symptoms that it causes:

    1. Carpal tunnel
    2. Distaste for light
    3. A tendency to shout out: "First Post"
    4. Loss/Gain of gold pieces
    5. Disturbing images of cats
    6. Lots of accidents that subsequently end up online.
    7. Bad writing.

    Can anyone think of other symptoms?

    1. Re:The Dangers of Wi-Fi by Serenissima · · Score: 5, Funny

      8. Sarcastic lists! :D

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  5. Re:Where's the proof? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not possible. Only ionizing radiation can alter DNA.

    Microwaves are not ionizing radiation. Not even remotely close, they're on the complete opposite side of the visible portion of the spectrum in fact.

    From visible, you go to IR and then to RF (including microwaves)
    To get to the wavelengths capable of altering DNA, you need to go the other way, through violet to UV (DNA damage), X-rays (more DNA damage!) and gamma (lots of DNA damage).

    There's only one way I can describe this guy - fucking ignorant dumbass. The most likely thing to do DNA damage to his crops is the very sunlight his crops depend on to grow.

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  6. Oh no by lymond01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are times when I wonder what the world might have been like if we hadn't pushed high speed microwave-based internet access in Nova Scotia. It's not like there weren't other solutions -- satellite, possibly. Cabling if they could have found someone to foot the bill. But there was a rush to make it happen, as usual with big business looking for their next tax haven. Who would have thought the entire world would pay for that bit of greed? Who would have thought we'd never dare look at the sun again.

    The end can't be too far away. There aren't many of us left, down here in the caves. All the moss has been eaten. The water may last awhile longer, but without food....No one who's left the caves to search for food, no matter how desperate or self-assured, has ever come back. Perhaps our greatest fear, moreso than even starvation, is that the Garlics will be able to trace one of those people back to our hideout. We've taken precautions, of course, by choosing a tunnel system with a downdraft. At least that way, we can smell them coming.

  7. Speaking of idiots... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His crop is already being irradiated...BY THE SUN. Idiots. Sheesh.

    You know, I wish people using that argument (or variants thereof) actually knew what they're talking about. No offense.

    The Earth's atmosphere and ionosphere are only really transparent to a very narrow band of frequencies. As you go up in the UV range or lower into IR, actually less and less of it gets to ground level.

    And let's put it this way: If enough microwave radiation from the Sun got to the Earth to be comparable to a cell phone tower, you couldn't actually use a cell phone. Because the white noise from the sun would not only give the tower a crap signal-to-noise ratio, but would be hundreds of decibels stronger than the milliwatts emitted by the phone itself or received by it in some places.

    So no, it's not. Not in the same frequencies and/or not as much.

    Yes, the "OMG, the crops will mutate" scare is incredibly stupid anyway. But countering it with the equally bogus "OMG, the sun already does the same", doesn't really debunk it.

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    1. Re:Speaking of idiots... by Sandbags · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, actually, the microwave internet system is a Line-of-sight point to point beam, so the amount getting to his crops in the ground is actually a number approaching zero. The microwave in his KITCHEN probaly puts more energy into his field than that tower would, not to mention the dozens of sattelites beaming down microwave radiation as well.

      Also, if the atmosphere was THAT good at shielding that radiation, then why would Microwave solar orbital power even be a consideration? If the atmosphere only blocks 30% of visible light, but far more microwave was blocked, then how would that system be a net gain?

      Of course, Microwave radiation is not ionizing radiation anyway, so the argument is completely moot... Mutation from microwave exposure would require rediculous doses of concentrated radiation, far, far more than it would take to cook the garlic outright.

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  8. Re:He should be so lucky by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reminds me of http://german-bash.org/101161.

    Short and translated version: the Telekom had built a cell phone mast in a village, and a lot of villagers started to complain about sleep problems and whatnot because of it. The comment of the Telekom was, "how bad must it get, when we actually turn it on" :p

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  9. Re:My guess is... by catbertscousin · · Score: 5, Funny

    But if they put a wi-fi tower next to him, the vampires are going to congregate there to check their MySpace pages and the next thing you know they'll develop an immunity to garlic. This dangerous cycle must be stopped!

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