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Gravitational Currents Could Slash Fuel Needed For Space Flight

Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that scientists are mapping the gravitational corridors created from the complex interplay of attractive forces between planets and moons that can be used to cut the cost of journeys in space. 'Basically the idea is there are low energy pathways winding between planets and moons that would slash the amount of fuel needed to explore the solar system,' says Professor Shane Ross from Virginia Tech. 'These are free-fall pathways in space around and between gravitational bodies. Instead of falling down, like you do on Earth, you fall along these tubes.' The pathways connect Lagrange points where gravitational forces balance out. Depicted by computer graphics, the pathways look like strands of spaghetti that wrap around planetary bodies and snake between them. 'If you're in a parking orbit round the Earth, and one of them intersects your trajectory, you just need enough fuel to change your velocity and now you're on a new trajectory that is free,' says Ross. 'You could travel between the moons of Jupiter essentially for free. All you need is a little bit of fuel to do course corrections.' The Genesis spacecraft used gravitational pathways that allowed the amount of fuel carried by the probe to be cut 10-fold, but the trade off is time. While it would take a few months to get around the Jovian moon system using gravitational currents (PDF), attempting to get a free ride from Earth to Mars on the currents might take thousands of years."

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  1. So... by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Space Travel is just like the internet. All you need to do is navigate a bunch of tubes.

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    1. Re:So... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Space Travel is just like the internet. All you need to do is navigate a bunch of tubes.

      Yeah, and you can get it for free as long as you're okay with it being slow.

      Now we just need to find the Space Travel equivalent of your neighbor's unsecured wireless router, and we can even solve that problem!

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    2. Re:So... by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now we just need to find the Space Travel equivalent of your neighbor's unsecured wireless router, and we can even solve that problem!

      I believe that would be an unsecured cargo bay.

    3. Re:So... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Funny

      The pathways connect Lagrange points where gravitational forces balance out. Depicted by computer graphics, the pathways look like strands of spaghetti that wrap around planetary bodies

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  2. old idea by jschen · · Score: 5, Informative

    For example, this old article discusses the same concept.

    1. Re:old idea by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's also Dupe Currents, and if one knows how to correctly navigate them, they can avoid dupes.

      But I think it's okay if Slashdot posts the same concept every 5 years or so. There is turnover in users. Woodstock is not a dupe if you missed the first one. (Then again, most Woodstock attendies were probably too strung out to remember the first one anyhow.)

         

    2. Re:old idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or if you'd RTFA you'd see the part where they talk about the Apollo missions and how it is not the same concept.

  3. In my day... by sprior · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my day we went to Mars uphill both ways unlike you kids who coast the whole way - and we LIKED IT!!!

  4. Lawyers... IN SPACE!!! by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    While it would take a few months to get round the Jovian moon system suing gravitational currents (PDF)...

    I had never before considered using the power of lawsuits to drive an inter-planetary vehicle, very interesting. But is it feasible? What's the TPL (thrust per lawsuit) against a given gravitational current and how many lawsuits can a lawyer put out during the life of a mission? Does the size of the gravitational current matter? I imagine so since they said the system is much faster suing Jupiter's gravitational currents than Earth's and Mars' currents.

    I haven't seen any solid details on this yet, I think this whole plan is still a ways off yet.

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  5. suing the currents by PTBarnum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently the Rocket Industry Association of America found out that people were planning to travel for free by stealing gravity from nearby planets. They also discovered that gravitational currents are aiding and abetting these crimes by making it easy to find and use the gravity. These pirates think they can escape prosecution by relocating to the Jovian moon system, but the RIAA lawyers were able to track them down and sue them within a few months.

  6. Getting out of Orbit by moosetail · · Score: 5, Informative

    The vast majority of fuel usage is simply getting out of orbit. I imagine this would be musch more useful for vehicles that are simply motoring around the solar system, but not dropping to the planet, or even going into LEO.

    1. Re:Getting out of Orbit by Menkhaf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which is why we need one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

      Have a look at the economics:

      For a launch loop to be economically viable it would require customers with sufficiently large payload launch requirements.

      Lofstrom estimates that an initial loop costing roughly $10 billion with a 1 year payback could launch 40,000 metric tons per year, and cut launch costs to $300/kg, or for $30 billion, with a larger power generation capacity, the loop would be capable of launching 6 million metric tons per year, and given a 5 year payback period, the costs for accessing space with a launch loop could be as low as $3/kg.[ http://launchloop.com/LaunchLoop?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=isdc2002loop.pdf ]

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  7. You can't dumb down rocket science by starglider29a · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TFA makes this sound really easy, cheap and quick. It's not. Can you decrease the propellant used to get from lunar orbit to Mars? Yes. Is it free and easy? No. But TFA says I can decrease the amount of propellant 10-fold! Yes, from 1000000 to 100000. If you use enough time (and money) a solar sail will get you there for free.

    But TFA makes it sound like you can find 'just the right spot just past the Moon' and zoooooop! Off you go the the gasoline seas of Titan.

    BS.

    Douglas Adams stated that "Space if really big." The image in TFA makes it looks like a skate park. Try drawing the Solar System to scale, and you begin to get the idea. A local community college has a scale MODEL. The sun is about a meter in diameter a frisbee throw away is Earth, this tiny dot with a tinier a fly's wingspan away. It took us a Saturn V to get there and 4 days. TFA wants us to think that once we get there, we can "freefall [down] pathways in space around and between gravitational bodies. Instead of falling down, like you do on Earth, you fall along these tubes." That's crap, without a metric a55load of Delta V.

    'If you're in a parking orbit round the Earth, and one of them intersects your trajectory, you just need enough fuel to change your velocity and now you're on a new trajectory that is free.''

    BS.

  8. Re:n-body problem by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depends on your time horizon. Millions of years, no. Human time horizons, however, we can handle.

    A good, modern, numerical integrator at quadruple precision can handle the Sun, planets, and hundreds of asteroids with very small numerical errors (microns over decades). Bigger errors are introduced by observational uncertainty, primarily in the masses of the asteroids. But, even with that, errors are 100's of meters over decades.

  9. Re:Next: $150 trip to Mars by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next:$150 trip to Mars. Come on MIT boys, pump up that balloon and add another handwarmer.

    Pffft, Russians do it for $40, and survive more.
         

  10. Hello DentArthurDent by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if we only had a book to tell us how to use these unsecured cargo bays to get around the Galaxy...

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