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ASCAP Says Apple Should Pay For 30-sec. Song Samples

CNet reports on a new money battle brewing between those who generate music and those who profit from selling it on the Net. "Songwriters, composers, and music publishers are making preparations to one day collect performance fees from Apple and other e-tailers for not just traditional music downloads but for downloads of films and TV shows as well. Those downloads contain music after all. These groups even want compensation for iTunes' 30-second song samples. ... Apparently, the music industry can't obtain the fees through negotiations. They have begun lobbying Congress to pass legislation that would require anyone who sells a download to pay a performance fee..."

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  1. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by h4rr4r · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Or you could have US schools, and with abstinence only education teen pregnancies abound. Telling kids to jerk it seems far more responsible.

  2. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    >>>Telling kids to jerk it seems far more responsible.

    I value you your opinion, but since is a free country where individuals are liberated, I'm going to completely reject it. I don't see a problem with masturbation, but for some cultures it's a mortal sin that will damn you or your kid to hell for all eternity. They should be free to follow their own morality without interference from the crown. That's what liberty means.

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  3. mod 3fown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  4. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by lambent · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    name those cultures. prove it's a sin. you can't just say random weird stuff like that to rationalize your own weak arguments without backing it up. nobody will take you seriously.

    for example, i think a lot of cultures actively endorse masturbation, and in fact, in these unnamed cultures, your kid can't get into heaven unless they jerk it at least once a week.

    see, it doesn't really stand much on its own.

  5. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by mcpkaaos · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i think a lot of cultures actively endorse masturbation

    I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that I actively endorse masturbation, in moderation.

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  6. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Mortal sins only damn you to hell if they are not confessed and absolved. And really masturbation should be preferred because intercourse outside marriage is itself a mortal sin and at least masturbation doesn't corrupt another to your eeeevil ways.

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  7. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    >>>name those cultures. prove it's a sin.

    Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist (or so I've been told). And I don't need to prove it, since it's a belief and beliefs are a protected right. That's the whole meaning of the word "liberty" - to be free to follow your own moral code without needing permission. (If you have to ask permission, then you might as well start calling yourself "serf")

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  8. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wouldn't know much about that, but I respect the rights of others to believe whatever they want to believe. If you want to be gay, be gay. If you want be jewish, be jewish. And if you want to teach your kids masturbation is a sin, then teach them.

    It's *none* of my business how you choose to live your life - gay, jewish, or otherwise. And certainly Not my right to overrule your decision and order you or your children to be straight, christian, or pro-masturbation. I am not your master, and you are not a serf.

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  9. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by jedidiah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist (or so I've been told). And I don't need to prove it,
    > since it's a belief and beliefs are a protected right.

    Sure you do. If you expect to be taken for anything but a total nutter,
    you will justify the claims you make. Not every religion on the planet
    is fiercely anti-intellectual. Some of the people you would like to lump
    yourself in with there would be very much offended by your mindless attitude.

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  10. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by Thing+1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You have something of a point, but the root of the instruction is: the testosterone will out itself, in some manner. Either through nocturnal emissions (i.e., laundering your sheets before your parents find out), through masturbation, or through sex, consensual or not.

    Just look to the animal kingdom; it's healthy and natural for organisms to rid themselves of excess hormones, and unfortunately we can't just sweat them out. So cutting off the tip of your children's manhood, in the false hope that they won't take up "that sin" is the height of not only hypocrisy, but also child abuse.

    Off on a tangent, perhaps, but the root of circumcision was to reduce masturbation. Which is completely natural, as our more-hairy ancestors demonstrate in the zoos. The UK government has it right, and thank you for playing.

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  11. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    His difficulty, of course, is that to prove that masturbation is a sin, he would have to prove that God exists and that God has forbidden masturbation.

    If God does not exist then she has not forbidden masturbation.

    If god does exist, but has not forbidden masturbation, then it is not a sin. Note that the Christian bible in either the Catholic or Protestant versions does not actually specificly forbid masturbation. The section usually quoted in relation to this is actually about a guy (Onan) who declined to impregnate his brothers widow, eg pulled out to avoid a child, which had implications for the estate, eg he was ensuring his own welfare at the expense of the widows, and that was what displeased God. (Different times, different customs, different morals) It is a bit of a stretch to take the story of Onan and from that say that masturbation is a sin. So even if you are a bible beleiving fundamentalist, the fact that the bible is actually silent on the issue should tell you something. Maybe of course what it is telling you is that if your brother dies you should get on with impregnating his widow ASAP.

    Personally I think that the Flying Spaghetti monster has no objection to us touching our own noodly appendages. It is however much more fun if you can get someone else to touch them for you.

    Of course beleifs are a protected right, you (in general, not referring to anyone specific here) are free to beleive that anything is a sin and I am free to beleive that your beleifs are laughable. I'm free to mock them too.

  12. Moderation, in masturbation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What is, the option to moderate +1 FAP FAP FAP?

  13. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by Omestes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The problem is dictating beliefs to children. I am a rather rabid atheist, and have a big problem with teaching clap-trap in schools (creationism, pure abstinence, etc...), but I have to admit, for the sake of fairness, that us atheists also shouldn't be dictating our values to the religious, no matter how much I think they're a bunch of silly loons. I personally think its fine to flog your knob to your heart's content, but I don't think our schools should say so. Shouldn't our schools focus on... you know... reading and math skills, instead? If I, as a parent, have a serious... pardon the expression... hard on against masturbation, then I have a reasonable objection.

    Of course beleifs are a protected right, you (in general, not referring to anyone specific here) are free to beleive that anything is a sin and I am free to beleive that your beleifs are laughable. I'm free to mock them too.

    Mocking is fine, dictating how our children learn is a different thing.

    But then again, I think the Christian idea of teaching only "abstinence" is silly, and oddly science agrees with me.

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  14. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    >>>>>> Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist (or so I've been told). And I don't need to prove it, since it's a belief and beliefs are a protected right.
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    >> Sure you do. If you expect to be taken for anything but a total nutter, you will justify the claims you make.

    Or what? You going to strap me to the rack and stretch my body until I either recant my belief that masturbation is a sin, or else die??? Come on. This is not the middle ages. This is a modern, liberated society where people are free to believe whatever they want to believe in regards to sex, and the crown/government has no authority to overrule. We are FREE citizens, not serfs.
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    >>>Not every religion on the planet is fiercely anti-intellectual.

    STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. I didn't say they were anti-intellectual. Most religions like Catholicism have very well-reasoned arguments for why they think masturbation is a sin against God, and will likely protest strongly against the UK government health monopoly telling schoolkids "it's good to masturbate".

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  15. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    >>>The UK government has it right, and thank you for playing.

    Yes but I'm neither a serf nor a slave, and the government is not my master (on the contrary, the People are the master; the government the servant). So as far as I am concerned my *employees* in government can take their opinions and stuff them. I'm going to teach my kids MY beliefs and the government should stay silent.

    And if the government refuses to stay silent, then I'll rally the support of the Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and anyone else who cares to join against this "masturbation is good" propaganda and MAKE the government be silent, for fear the MPs will lose the next election.

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  16. Re:So essentially they want people to pay by commodore64_love · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    >>>giving someone a viable option with positive societal value is interfering?

    If the government is telling malleable children that "masturbation is good" and "masturbation is your right" in direct contradiction to Church of England, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim beliefs that "masturbation is a mortal sin that will doom your to eternal damnation"...... then yeah I'd say there's a problem there. NO government has a right to damn our children to hell.

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