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Video Surveillance System That Reasons Like a Human

An anonymous reader writes "BRS Labs has created a technology it calls Behavioral Analytics which uses cognitive reasoning, much like the human brain, to process visual data and to identify criminal and terroristic activities. Built on a framework of cognitive learning engines and computer vision, AISight, provides an automated and scalable surveillance solution that analyzes behavioral patterns, activities and scene content without the need for human training, setup, or programming."

143 comments

  1. Of course by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing can go wrong!

    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With ever better and smarter AI, cameras and ever improving computer science in general, so much for the views of people who still don't believe Big Brother is possible.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing can go wrong!

      Monday September 21, 6:08 PM > System Pawn, ID:1498795, "sopssa" making sarcastic joke regarding system. Execute Order 66. Will be a huge success.

    3. Re:Of course by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Wow! It sounds almost too good to be true!

      Wait, what's that you say?

    4. Re:Of course by bugi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best of both worlds! Human stupidity plus the compassion of a machine.

    5. Re:Of course by Nein+Volts · · Score: 0

      I can see it now! It hits the covers of all the magazines! 'Robot with synthetic brain gets angry over mistake and kills 50!'

    6. Re:Of course by sevenfootchicken · · Score: 1

      Nothing can go wrong!

      Isn't that what they said about Skynet?

    7. Re:Of course by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      I say "bring it on."

      More and better surveillance. Rampant surveillance. Ubiquitous surveillance.

      I am personally rooting for the day when miniature swarming nanobots capture everything done by everybody, all the time, 24/7. I am a firm believer in the maxim "if you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?" ... but the catch is that everybody must be subject to the same rules. That means I can go look at the permanent archive belonging to my local politician same as he or she can look at mine. Business leaders, students, everybody plays by the same rules and everybody is subject to complete transparency.

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    8. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have some things to hide. You have some things to hide (behind that nickname, not to look too far for an example). Everybody does.

    9. Re:Of course by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      And is there a system that monitors the system? To detect if one set of cameras is suddenly misbehaving in terms of a spike in the number of reports it files of who is "misbehaving"?

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    10. Re:Of course by wrencherd · · Score: 1

      I am a firm believer in the maxim "if you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?"

      If this is true then it must also be true that "if you do not intend to judge a person, then why are you surveilling him/her?"

      And if you're judging a person, what standard are you applying and what gives you the right to do the judging?

    11. Re:Of course by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      I am not surveilling him or her, the swarm (or whatever you want to call it) is. I can choose to go look at the permanent record for that person (and if I do so there is also a record of me doing that), but I have no more power to "judge" them than I do today. I can certainly bring something to the attention of the appropriate authorities, again just like today, and they will then pursue the matter according to established law (and be subject to ubiquitous surveillance throughout). Nobody has the power to turn the cameras off, ever.

      A nutbar idea? Yes, and it would require a massive cultural shift that many, many people would likely find quite difficult. The alternative is what we have developing today - a system where a small segment of society has the power of pervasive surveillance over everybody else, and nobody has any meaningful power to hold them accountable for their use of the information gathered.

      Same rules for everybody. Nobody controls the on or off switch.

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    12. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite part about all of this is how the summery lists: criminal and terrorist actions separately.

    13. Re:Of course by koshatul · · Score: 1

      And to which religion or governmental rule set do we hand the reins ?

      Can you imagine the chinese firewall if it applied to a persons actions 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

      Corporate interests aside, noone can speak out about anything anymore or the jackboots will be on their doorstep seconds after they start typing the first few words.

    14. Re:Of course by bugi · · Score: 1

      Having thought about it for a day, perhaps I should've said: thinks like a human, feels like a machine.

  2. Proof? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Source or it doesn't work.

    1. Re:Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Source? Come on man, CAMERAS! Tits or doesn't work.

    2. Re:Proof? by Jurily · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up. Said AI first needs to distinguish between "activity" and "the wind blew a leaf across the screen". Then you need to distinguish between "lights a cigarette" and "lights the fuse on dynamite".

      So, if it already does all that, just one more question: how do you define "criminal and terrorist activities" programmatically when not even the law is clear? Even shooting people can be a non-criminal act.

    3. Re:Proof? by TheWingThing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It must first differentiate between "time flies like an arrow" and "fruit flies like a banana". Then, and only then, can be the system be trusted.

    4. Re:Proof? by beav007 · · Score: 3, Funny
      What I want to know is: whose cognitive reasoning is it based on, exactly?

      Male?

      Ooh, low cut top! Zoom zoom zoom!
      Wait, the wind is picking up! Initiate scan for pleated skirts!

      Or female?

      Ooh, there's a sale over there! *zoom* Do they have my colour?
      Wait, that handbag's a knockoff! *Dials DHS*

    5. Re:Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Chris?

    6. Re:Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If shots are fired near your building, you want police there regardless of whether it turns out to be criminal or not.

    7. Re:Proof? by xkcdFan1011011101111 · · Score: 1

      Agreed!

      TFA and the company's website don't mention anything at all about what the cognitive algorithms learn or how they do it.

      At my lab we use "cognitive algorithms" to do things like adjust for variable lighting conditions, learn new visual patterns, and estimate position/orientation of unknown objects. I'm told these algorithms are cutting edge, but at present they are way too fragile/clunky to be used in the real world. I fail to see how a cognitive algorithm can be taught what is a "criminal and terroristic activity"... Is "terroristic" even a word?

    8. Re:Proof? by unixfan · · Score: 1

      You're dead on.

      There is too much crying terrorist which only numbs us to what is real terrorist activities. Much like crying wolf.
      Ditto with the government threat levels, in itself it statistically has added more terror than real terrorists has.

      By not correctly identify a lot of actions, this thing simply adds more to the general feeling of unknown and unspecific threats. Much like news media who concentrate on creating an unbalanced sense of risk and threat to the viewers. Now there is danger at every corner!
      Probably these people are only looking at lining their own pockets. No doubt pursuing the dream of somehow getting in line for government funds.

  3. Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A little more info from the BRS Labs website:
    "The system takes the input from existing video security cameras (no need to change equipment); recognizes and identifies the objects in each frame and passes that data to its Machine Learning Engine. There, the system 'learns' what activity is normal for each unique area viewed by each camera. It then stores these LEARNED memories, much the same way the human brain does, and refers back to them with any and all future activities observed by the camera. If any behavior falls outside of the norm, alerts are generated."

    Sounds impressive, but will the algorithms be sophisticated enough to watch grass grow and realize that it's normal behavior for the garbage truck to come by weekly ... but still send an alarm when a burgler steals your stuff!

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    1. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess is it applies a few simple heuristics to analyze the behavior and the real trick is identifying the behavior.

      Example: In an alley behind a hotel people frequently walk out a door, put something in a container, and walk back in. This becomes "normal". Then someone goes out back and starts smoking. Whoops, wtf is this! Alert, alert. OK, so this gets flagged as OK a few times. The system decides it's OK. However, when two people hold a third at gunpoint and linger in an area of the alley not usually used for smoking, this would now trigger as abnormal.

      Another thing it might notice is the same person coming back to the front of a convenience store, waiting a minute, then leaving, then coming back again. Most people only walk in, walk out - this is abnormal.

      So it won't tell you someone is burglarizing you, but it might focus your attention on a camera where something could be happening. I'd assume it would get better over time as things were flagged "ok" or "not ok", but at best it would provide some simple pre-filtering to focus human attention on scenes that are slightly more likely to be "interesting".

    2. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by mhajicek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it's a video Zone Alarm. I imagine the first while of operation would be rather labor intensive.

    3. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Does that which we call pattern recognition, by any other name, stink as badly?

    4. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      That is to say: I'm not smelling any roses here.

    5. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

      Yep - also wonder if the underlying code shares some of the Motion Source which is what Duncan used to catch the perp.

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    6. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by droopycom · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it really think like a human, the main feature will be to automatically upload videos of people having sex in elevators on the web.

    7. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No way that it's as complex as that. My guess is that it gets used to linear motion like cars driving by and develops a tolerance for humans walking by on the way to work, but when there's lots of irregular motion in different directions (ie not just from one side of the frame to the other) there's a good chance something unusual is happening.

      Your system lacks the element of "no human training" mentioned in the summary

    8. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Jurily · · Score: 1

      Another thing it might notice is the same person coming back to the front of a convenience store, waiting a minute, then leaving, then coming back again. Most people only walk in, walk out - this is abnormal.

      So now I'm verboten to look at the lottery numbers on the door each Sunday morning? Either you flag every alarm as OK or people will get pissed off that you question them about perfectly legal activities.

      This might just be the thing needed to finally get the cameras off the streets.

    9. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Memroid · · Score: 1

      Alert, alert. OK, so this gets flagged as OK a few times. The system decides it's OK.

      Doesn't this contradict what the summary says? "without the need for human training"

    10. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Not needing human training to function, and functioning much better with human training are two separate things. Just like speech recognition. It will work without training, but there are still cases where it needs training.

      I didn't think what I described was that crazily complex. If the camera is stationary and you line everything up on a grid line and do edge detection to find outlines of people you can probably implement something like this. I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass, though, it's certainly not my field.

    11. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "interesting" is context-sensitive. So filtering will not work: it either triggers false positives (normal behaviour that is unknown or misinterpreted) until the threshold is raised enough. Then it will create false negatives, e.g. flag an actual criminal act as 'normal' and hide it from the supervisors eye for workload reasons.
      Human behaviour is more complex and situation depended than actual AI could handle. This whole article reads like bullshit bingo or a pr-campaign for some insider stock trading scams.

      And even *IF* (and this is a big if) it might work like proposed - do we really want to implement fully automatic total survaillance? And do not think this will be restricted to the fence of a top secret naval base. It will be produced by corporations, meaning there will be some strong interest into widespread use. And there will always be the need for politicians to ring the alarm bell and demanding more 'security'. Have a look at UK - highest density of surveillance and yet problems with terrorism and crimes.

    12. Re:Bit more info - can it be as good as humans? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      That sounds kinda useless in an area where terrorist-like activity might be taking place on a regular basis. For instance, somewhere where there are a lot of guns, people milling about and doing drills, and the like. Or rousing motivational speeches w/formations. Sounds like most police departments, shooting ranges, military training grounds, or for that matter police hangouts.

      I would think targeting specific known-terrorist activities (eg. we know a lot of them are Muslims, so wearing their head gear and/or some other combination of factors) might be a pointer. Or speaking Arabic, covertly, but in secluded "public" places.

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  4. that was just a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    that was a press release for the company's product. It has no reliable or interesting information whatsoever.

  5. Photos by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

    So I guess this means that the camera is going to Harass people taking Photos now?

    1. Re:Photos by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So I guess this means that the camera is going to Harass people taking Photos now?

      Even better. It will call some rentacops and tell them that there's "suspected terroristic activity" taking place, and suddenly a tourist will get a taser up some orifice because "the computer" already labeled him a terrorist and therefore Osama's second in command.

  6. I'll know it when I see it. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a press release pretending to be journalism.

    If it doesn't need training, how does it define "terroristic activity"? Is it the "I'll know it when I see it" definition?

    The article seems to indicate it works like a Bayesian filter on the video - pointing out things that aren't typical for the camera.

    Much like any automated system that is supposed to filter out false positives, it is probably pretty easy to train either the operators or the system itself to throttle back the sensitivity to a point where it ignores everything.

    1. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      inputted
      getted
      terroristic

      Which of these tragically stupid sounding words is not an actual word?

    2. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it doesn't need training, how does it define "terroristic activity"? Is it the "I'll know it when I see it" definition?

      According to the article it does autonomous training. It probably don't define "terroristic activity" in any way but instead classifies normal and abnormal situations and behaviours. From the descriptions given in the article and in the BSR Labs website (see the previous post #29497317) it probably is a set of separate neural nets such that for each camera, there is a separately evaluated and trained net. There are probably also some higher level nets working to form the "hypocepts" as they call them.

    3. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by randy+of+the+redwood · · Score: 1
      Can we please see some examples of pornography detected by this system?

      That seems to be something identifiable by people as a "I'll know it when I see it". At least Supreme court justices...

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    4. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      With good heuristics, some bayesian analysis (is there an object or not?) or neural nets...I can actually imagine a lot of possibilities here. Suppose I've got a gate at an airport--traffic should all be going in one direction. Anything going the other way--anomaly. I could imagine ML systems picking that up fairly easily.

      Similarly if I've got a physically secured compound with double fences (the first fence is for screening--the second is your secure perimeter), foot traffic in the secure area should be predictable, on a schedule, and follow certain rates and patterns. Anything outside the pattern would be worth throwing a red box around and drawing human attention to. Even if it didn't get a "time" input, the presence of motion in unusual planes, or of non-human shapes might be a viable alert.

      Detecting terrorism...okay...that seems funky. But I can definitely imagine that with a little bit of context you could very easily rig a good camera system up to alert on unusual events if the light levels were done correctly.

    5. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 1

      The trick is to train it to ignore you.

      So, if you want to enter an area with a backpack, you start walking in with a hump, and make the hump bigger with every entry. Better yet, give out a bunch of free backpacks (in increasing numbers) over a period.

      A human operator would go "WTF", a machine would simply recognise it as normal and increase the threshold.

      You want to walk back through a door? Start by looking over your shoulder as you walk through it normally.

      That fence? Add an automated fence wiggler. If the fence goes off every night, they'll turn the sensitivity down in short order.

      It all depends on how patient the attacker is.

    6. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a press release pretending to be journalism.

      In this day and age? When Presidents can get away with "Won the war" speeches given on command centers and battleships decked out by Hollywood set designers? Surely not.

    7. Re:I'll know it when I see it. by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it doesn't need training, how does it define "terroristic activity"?

      It works just like a human, so if you have a slightly darker skin color, you are a terrorist. If you buy a ski-mask, you are a terrorist. If you have a weapon, you are a terrorist. If you look around a lot your are a terrorist. If you leave a mosque, you are a terrorist. If you ever where in another country, you are a terrorist. If you talk to somebody who was marked as a terrorist, you are a terrorist.
      You are a terrorist.

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  7. It Comforts Me To Know.... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that somewhere else in the world, there is a young, badass mother fighting off robots from the future that were designed to look like my Governor in a heroic attempt to destroy this new technology along with her scrappy, but as-of-yet slightly immature son....

    At least, I think that's where we are in the time-line right?

    1. Re:It Comforts Me To Know.... by AliasMrAlias · · Score: 1, Offtopic
  8. It's a lie by blhack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The "machine learning engine" is a "datacenter" (warehouse) full of cheap African laborers who are all watching the cameras.

    (this is a joke, it just isn't funny, and it is meant to illustrate a point. See the next line):
    God/nature/FSM/evolution/al gore/$deity has done a pretty damn good job at building our brains, why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer?

     

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    1. Re:It's a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      So it's a subsidiary of Spinvox then?

    2. Re:It's a lie by Ponga · · Score: 1

      God/nature/FSM/evolution/al gore/$deity has done a pretty damn good job at building our brains, why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer?

      We're lazy.

      Next!

    3. Re:It's a lie by evanbd · · Score: 3, Funny

      The "machine learning engine" is a "datacenter" (warehouse) full of cheap African laborers who are all watching the cameras.

      (this is a joke, it just isn't funny, and it is meant to illustrate a point. See the next line): God/nature/FSM/evolution/al gore/$deity has done a pretty damn good job at building our brains, why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer?

      Because the owners of those brains get all whiny when you try to stick them in jars and make them solve the problems you want to solve, rather than sitting around watching porn? Really, sticking a bunch of brains in a 19" rack is harder than you'd think.

    4. Re:It's a lie by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a lot easier than you think, it's just hard to get them to do anything.

    5. Re:It's a lie by dissy · · Score: 1

      God/nature/FSM/evolution/al gore/$deity has done a pretty damn good job at building our brains, why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer?

      Because one could imagine that if we actually do have the ability to reinvent a mind, that we might also be able to improve upon it. And we will not know if we can or can not create a mind until we try to do so.

      If that is possible, then that better mind could arguably invent a mind better than itself, that much more better than ours.
      Human kind would no longer be the bottle neck of technological achievement.

      Now if we could also then just manage to not be stupid like usual and piss those minds off, they might even play nice and share their awesome toys with us :P

    6. Re:It's a lie by izomiac · · Score: 1

      Presumably because there simply aren't enough eyes to watch everything that people want watched. And even if there were, who would be left to watch the watchmen?

      Best case scenario: this technology is used to draw the security guard's attention away from late night TV when something actually happens.
      Worst case scenario: pick your nose in an alley and have the police automatically alerted.

    7. Re:It's a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer"

      It's cheaper.

    8. Re:It's a lie by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I would love to create a mind. Unfortunately I have not yet found a girl willing to indulge me.

  9. Panopticon, your doing it wrong. by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Eagle Eye is not a blueprint for your surviellence computers. Thanks.

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    1. Re:Panopticon, your doing it wrong. by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a pretty awesome AI, we just need to make sure that when we build it we don't give it an ancient document written by revolutionaries and rather have programmers write it some "no murdering your admins" rules

  10. yes, but... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...does it run racial profiling?

    1. Re:yes, but... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Haha I wonder of a young "person of color", acting like a typical inner-city person of color, would get flagged on cameras in a white neighborhood because he "wasn't acting normally"?

      I bet that in fact he would.

    2. Re:yes, but... by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      As long as detection is based on behavior and not skin color, there's nothing wrong with it.

      If "acting like a young person of color" involves trespassing or loitering the system should flag it just as readily as anything else. Assuming that you're talking about legal behaviors, again, I don't see a problem. This system doesn't know anything about race, and is perfectly ignorant of it. This is an example of a "color-blind" system. There are people who claim to want a "color-blind" society, yet they always seem to want exceptions.

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    3. Re:yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Load of crap. Different facial features and contours are going to make a difference even if skin color doesn't and I'm pretty sure skin color will make a difference. Add to that different styles of clothing and different mannerisms and this system is going to pick out anyone who doesn't "fit in"

    4. Re:yes, but... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      See, that's where you are wrong. Or almost certainly wrong, anyway.

      If the system uses heuristics or anything of the sort to determine whether something is outside "normal" behavior in an area, then something that does not appear normal would -- by definition -- get flagged. Objectively, the system has no more idea what crime is than a newborn baby.

      I have been in areas where, as I mentioned, "young inner-city people of color" tend to behave in ways that are significantly different from their caucasian middle-class peers in the suburbs. I can very easily see this behavior getting flagged as "abnormal" or "suspicious" in an area where that kind of behavior is not common, even if it is just watching them walk down the street.

      Which means that the system, no matter how well designed, will never be "color blind" as long as people of different ethnic persuasions insist on behaving differently from everyone else.

  11. what activity is normal for each unique area by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    So if it watches Gary Indiana, murder and mayhem will be programmed in as normal?

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  12. Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 0

    Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that.

    1. Re:Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 0

      Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that.

      Uuuuum, yes?

      Was that a question or a statement?

    2. Re:Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by swanzilla · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that.

      Brad Pitt that an actor in that.

    3. Re:Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *unusual grammar anomaly detected*

      Recommend immediate detention of "Joe The Dragon" for torture. Questioning is not recommended at this time.

    4. Re:Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      so you can a black level player?

    5. Re:Ocean's Thirteen that a system like that. by Omestes · · Score: 1

      so you can a black level player?

      In oil or spring water? I always liked my black level players canned in oil. The people who like them in red sauce are just weird.

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  13. Human Intelligence by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a great way to absolve any personal responsibility. Detained wrongfully? Not our fault, the machine said you were moving like a terrorist.

    1. Re:Human Intelligence by Reason58 · · Score: 1

      Also, I wonder how well these systems will handle contextual clues that people pick up on automatically? Is that person moving in a suspicious manner because they are a terrorist, or because they are just carrying some heavy bags? Are they going to blow the place up, or are they just rushing to catch up with someone?

    2. Re:Human Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a great way to absolve any personal responsibility. Detained wrongfully? Not our fault, the machine said you were moving like a terrorist.

      They do claim it is as smart as a human. Now think about how smart your average security guard is.

      "You have an insulin needle, therefore you look like a terrorist."
      "Your skin is a little dark, therefore you look like a terrorist."
      "You won't show me your tits, therefore you look like a terrorist."

    3. Re:Human Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a great way to absolve any personal responsibility. Detained wrongfully? Not our fault, the machine said you were moving like a terrorist.

      That sounds like something a terrorist would probably say.

    4. Re:Human Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, how's "our software" different from "our training", "our briefing", etc? I mean police are supposed to follow detailed regulations, not act as judges. It's only an officer's 'fault' right now if they don't follow regs.

    5. Re:Human Intelligence by LifesABeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      So while facing away from the camera, I see what looks like a quarter, and while bending over, I have this irresistible urge to scratch myself where my back pocket is. At least that's what the Camera will show, on CNN news, and if I have my way, YouTube also. It's convincing my wife, that's all it was; is going to be rough.

    6. Re:Human Intelligence by radtea · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, I wonder how well these systems will handle contextual clues that people pick up on automatically?

      "Contextual clues" like a dark-skinned guy in London rushing to catch the Tube wearing a ski jacket on a warmish day?

      Those are the kind of "contextual clues" that people use all the time to make lethal misjudgements, and in the case at hand resulted in a completely innocent Brazilian who was legally in Britain going legally about his legal business being murdered by police.

      Given how badly humans are known empirically to suck at making these kinds of judgments only an arrogant idiot would think of programming a machine to emulate us. But of course, arrogant idiots are incapable of adjusting their beliefs in response to empirical data, so they probably aren't even aware of how badly they suck at this.

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    7. Re:Human Intelligence by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those are the kind of "contextual clues" that people use all the time to make lethal misjudgements, and in the case at hand resulted in a completely innocent Brazilian who was legally in Britain going legally about his legal business being murdered by police.

      No system lacking full disclosure of all information is perfect. People, by definition, *have* to make judgments without enough information to be sure. Yet we *have* to be sure.

      Sometimes this results in mistakes. And sometimes, those mistakes add up to a lethal combination. But the vast majority of the time, those judgments, lacking full information, seem to do a pretty good job. In fact, even if you compare these judgement rantes to something like the odds that a particular Apache install will be active, you'll find that people, despite their occasional flaws, actually do a pretty damned good job.

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  14. Fairness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this fair to those who have a complex to appear to act criminally, though they are trying their hardest to act normal and not commit crime?

  15. Scary by celibate+for+life · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Human judgment isn't accurate enough to distinguish between an actual terrorist and someone who may look like one. Why is there anyone expecting good results from a machine emulating this judgment that isn't reliable in the first place?

  16. False positve and False negative readings by mjensen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Much like detecting terrorists by facial recognition, this is vaporware until they publish some numbers.

    I once had someone misplace a sales call to me, being proud his facial recognition system was 70% accurate. He had no idea how much his system is a pain in the ass when its wrong, and for the airport security business he was trying to get, 90% accuracy is considered terrible.

  17. Wow, just like a human! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank God it reasons like a human does. As we know, humans have a 0% false positive rate at identifying potential terrorists. Now, not only can we identify old ladies in wheelchairs with oxygen tanks as the terrorists they are in a completely automated fashion, but we can do it at speeds previously only dreamt of!

  18. Security Cameras that shake you down for donuts by leftie · · Score: 1

    Maybe they shouldn't have used human cops as their behavior model after all.

  19. Reasons like a human by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surveillance System becomes self-aware, becomes as "efficient" as any other TSA at spotting terrorists, realizes the futility of security theater, quits in disgust, writes a best-selling autobiography.

  20. Sick and tired by WillRobinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really I am sick and tired of the surveillance realm. If anybody really wants to do something nefarious they will make sure the cameras don't work. Simply pull them down, spray them with paint or whatever. The authorities will not come running. After the fact usage is good, but really it doesn't stop any crime, even the random ones.We are the ones funding this and do not even have a say in it.

    1. Re:Sick and tired by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      The ones finding all the cameras and covering them up are not necessarily the intended target of said cameras. They have value as a deterrent too. The chance of an organized robbery is hopefully small, but any business is likely to have small-time shoplifters and people defacing property. Fail all of that, the cameras should pay for themselves through incentives from the insurance company.

      NB: I'm just saying what sounds reasonable to me- I don't claim to know how true my assumptions are.

    2. Re:Sick and tired by WillRobinson · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree in business its ok, but really every intersection in Texas has 4 cameras now. Even ones in small towns, paid for by grants from DHS.

      In the Dallas Metroplex, they have also installed networking which is supposed to be used by emergency workers (this makes me laugh as when there is a real disaster they will not have power) but I am sure they are also being used by the cities to read the power and water meters in the future.

      Taking even a small failure rate, the cost of maintenance will be beyond what the cities can stand to keep the systems up. The big brother ideal will fail and only leave us with a bill to pay.

  21. Yes, absolutely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the description and providing it is smart enough to identify the race of an individual, it will sound an alert if a white person enters a monitored area normally only inhabited by non-whites and vice-versa. Gee now we're advanced enough to build our racism into our computers. Wonderful

  22. One more step. by mhajicek · · Score: 1

    This is just one more step along the path that I and many others have predicted. Please reference the thread on "crowdsourcing" video analysis: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1277749&cid=28429931

  23. So, by supersloshy · · Score: 0, Troll

    The whole point of this is:

    1. Sell to customers who blindly trust in it.
    2. Fail to detect anything on many an occasion because it most likely isn't perfect.
    3. ???
    4. PROFIT!!!

    --
    "Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
    1. Re:So, by emjay88 · · Score: 1

      I think the order would be more like:

      1. Sell to customers who blindly trust in it.
      4. PROFIT!!!
      3. ???
      2. Fail to detect anything on many an occasion because it most likely isn't perfect.

      --
      1178161 is prime...
  24. The secret ingredient by russotto · · Score: 1

    The central processor in this thing isn't a computer at all... it's a dead salmon!
     

  25. Numenta? by Louis+Savain · · Score: 0

    I wonder if it's based on Numenta's Bayesian HTM (hierarchical temporal memory). My understanding of neuro-like learning system is that, unless its knowledge base is organized hierachically like a tree, it could not possibly do the things its promoters are claiming for it.

    1. Re:Numenta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. Numenta is based on patented technology and they claim that theirs is patented as well. Also, Numenta vision demos are not very impressive.

  26. Didn't happen by dandart · · Score: 0

    xkcd, source, video, pictures, audio, podcast or it didn't happen.

  27. Boobies! by pavon · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, it instinctively directs the cameras towards the hot women all the time, distracted from important things it should look at?

  28. Hopefully not like humans by D4C5CE · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Who, under video surveillance, tend to act rather irresponsibly:
    • Feeling safe(r) when and where they are not, because of the false promise of BB to be watching (over) them.
    • Mostly turning a blind eye on crime (and its victims), as the all-seeing eye of BB and/or "someone (else)" will surely take care of it.
    • Having learned from an early age to show only herd mentality out of preference falsification in their desperate attempts to try and please the watchmen and be seen to obey "like every other good citizen".
    • In the rare instances of courage, not fleeing insurmountable dangers out of the feeling that someone has got to be watching and will send backup any moment now.

    Interestingly in Europe after a series of dreadful incidents on live video, this is finally being debated on the eve of general elections: http://www.piratenpartei.de/node/920/29268#comment-29268 - as at the other end of the line, in a situation room (that may be on the next floor or station, and yet too) far away, officers will have to watch events unfold and wish in vain to finally be out there with a gun again (or have sufficient forces to dispatch), e.g. to stop that attacker they can only videotape and helplessly watch wreak havoc on screen.

  29. Fun in the UK by RayMarron · · Score: 1

    I can just see the kids in the UK figuring out what kind of innocent activity triggers police reactions. When the flood of false-positives starts, the cameras will be back to being as use[ful|less] as they are today.

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  30. porno, Porno, PORNO! by SoVeryTired · · Score: 1

    What are the odds these cameras won't be able to distinguish between people fighting and people shagging?

    --
    Slashdot: news for Apple. Stuff that Apple.
    1. Re:porno, Porno, PORNO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two dogs FIGHTING? He'd have given his right arm to be called Two Dogs Fighting!

    2. Re:porno, Porno, PORNO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know, you're right. Sad, isn't it : security is bound to be wrongly dispatched because normal decent people beating each other to pulp with crowbars in a socially completely acceptable way generated a false positive about a omg-pr0n-think-of-the-children-sexual act taking place.

  31. Like a human? by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

    "That Reasons Like a Human"

    Spends most of it's time ogling - wait there's a honky in this black neighborhood, must be up to no good.

    --
    Nate
  32. In other words by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    It will lie.

    --
    For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
  33. Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds.. by netsharc · · Score: 2, Funny

    to comply!

    No one talkd about ED-209 yet?

    --
    What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
  34. Can we install this in congress? by AnonymousX · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I would love to see some of this surveillance tech turned back on the government. Install this thing in congress and train it to watch for corruption. It would probably fill up a massive disk array in a couple hours with positive hits.

  35. And it will work as soon as . . . by taustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you give us another billion dollars to finish it.

    Yeah, right.

    A 1% error rate will produce a hundred times as many false positives - all innocent people accused of a crime - as real positives. And a 20% error rate is far, far more likely.

    Scams like this are the reason why you have to show up at airports three hours early now.

    Is it smart enough to knwo that "terroristic" isn't a real word, at least?

    1. Re:And it will work as soon as . . . by icebraining · · Score: 1

      "all innocent people accused of a crime"

      Why? Even if the system flags the people as criminals, the operators will still be able to see the recordings, and then decide if it was a crime or not, no?

    2. Re:And it will work as soon as . . . by ImNotAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "all innocent people accused of a crime"

      Why? Even if the system flags the people as criminals, the operators will still be able to see the recordings, and then decide if it was a crime or not, no?

      If only I had a nickel for every time some one took something off the computer as gospel (figuratively) and could not be swayed because the computer doesn't make mistakes... Think PHBs and customer service reps. Or maybe I missed your sarcasm tags.. if so mia culpa

      --
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    3. Re:And it will work as soon as . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, mind power of dumb operator multiplied by mind power of dumb machine. Police manages to be fucktarded without aid of dumb machines. Just imagine, how that aid will widen overall incompetence and lack of accountability.

    4. Re:And it will work as soon as . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ""Is it smart enough to knwo that "terroristic" isn't a real word, at least?""

      From www.dictionary.com: (see related forms at bottom)

      terâ...rorâ...istââ[ter-er-ist]
      â"noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
      2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
      3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
      4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.

      â"adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

      Related forms:

      terâ...rorâ...isâ...tic, adjective

      btw: "knwo" definitely is not a word!!!

  36. no need for programming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmm.. actually, this idea is great! except for one bit of a problem.. this will have a profound effect in future human behavior. since criminal acts/behavior would have to change incredibly fast to keep beating this 'sauron'-bot, every 'illegal behavior' might become extinct.. is that really a good thing given the laws we have today?

  37. Not Like a Human by florescent_beige · · Score: 1

    This system does not operate like a human at all. A human operator does not look for signs of terrorist activities. A human operator looks at boobs.

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  38. Reasons like a human... by Nekomusume · · Score: 1

    So, it makes wild guesses, allows others to tell it how it should be thinking and/or bases vital decisions on obviously false beliefs?

  39. Sounds a lot like.... by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 1

    I didn't RTFA or This one, but it looks similar.

  40. And so when they're filming Terror 2010 by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    The entire film crew, actors, and craft people are friend into plasma because they were Acting Like Terrorists.

    It's just another bloated pentagon pork project of no real value or merit. We see this all the time. It reminds me of avant garde art, only 10,000x more expensive and twice as pointless. But only half as ugly.

    RS

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    Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
  41. Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    a) Terroristic? Not just terrorist activities?
    b) Terrorism /is/ usually a crime, nothing special.

  42. Will it play chess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Colossus: The Forbin Project

  43. I can't wait to see this in action by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...uses cognitive reasoning, much like the human brain...

    So how long before this thing figures out how to pork a co-worker on lunch break, record the act on one of the cameras it's supposed to be monitoring, and piss in the boss's coffee?

    I'm betting about three weeks.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  44. the most important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's great that it will alert you to possible terrorist activity, but will it also alert you to female nudity?

  45. Re:Of course.. by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    Fire all the cops and judges, convert them all to prison guards, and we'll make the city a jail.

  46. So basically a "red light camera" for people. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    So basically a "red light camera" for people.

    And like the red light cameras, there's no way to appeal to human judgement if the camera says you're guilty, you must be guilty unless you can prove you are innocent (for red light cameras, at least in California, that means proving the amber light lasted less than 4.8 seconds).

    I love the presumption of guilt they're slowly building into the system in the name of revenue generation. "The war on terror" has been going on for 8 years now, and they finally arrested _a_ suspect with no concrete plans of timing, location, or a target. I will bet that this system will ultimately be used to automatically issue jay-walking tickets.

    -- Terry

  47. Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what sort of fun we could have if this system was used as the eyes and brains of an armed security robot?

  48. Yes, yes... just like a human... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will get bored and fall asleep. I can't wait to see the R&D explain this one: "Well, at 9h35mn PM, the image became out of focus and aimed at the floor under the camera..."
    It will look around for interesting "sights". "Yes sir, the system was fixing on this lady, we deduced that this new camera was bogus and probably a terrorist weapon of some sort..."

    There is one rule to remember here: Humans are best at behaving like humans.

  49. Let me explain why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "God/nature/FSM/evolution/al gore/$deity has done a pretty damn good job at building our brains, why are we trying to reinvent that wheel in a computer?"

    Because nobody like shitty, repetitive, unfulfilled, degrading work. Now I recommend you look up definition of "Weak AI". You may be able to find it in encyclopedia in a library around you or may be in your house if for some reason you disapprove of not evil corporation that shall remain nameless forcing hundreds of teraflops worth of enslaved magical pixies (that is a lot of pixies, oh my) locked in "servers" (steel boxes) to do the thinking for you.

  50. Not a Difficult Problem? by littlewink · · Score: 1

    To do what AISight does one needs:

    • video software that can track 3-dimensional objects using a 2-dimensional video image. This is a known solved problem.
    • A second layer of software (that uses the first as input) that distinguishes static and moving objects. Static objects form a "background" which can largely be ignored except for collisions with moving objects and except for specific human-input exceptions.
    • A rule database. The initial rule database must have many rules about default object behavior and interactions.
    • A learning system that detects heretofore unseen interactions, alerts a human user and asks for a new rule or validation of the anomaly as something that should cause an alert.

    Moving objects must be dynamically tracked and their behavior somehow segmented into steps. This is arbitrary in that there can be a theoretically infinite variety of such segments for any given macro behavior. E.g., I can say "Mary handed the book to Tom." or I can say "Mary grasped the book, Mary extended her arm in the direction of Tom, Tom extended his hand in the direction of Mary and grasped the book, Mary un-grasped the book, Tom retracted his arm (with the book)." Both describe the same action, but the second has a finer segmentation of behavior.

    In summary I don't see that there is much new here: certainly all the pieces are available. It's essentially the classic AI expert system. Since they're getting millions for known technology (and software), I expect to see a freeware version of this available within the next 6 months!8-))

  51. A Series of Already-solved Problems? by littlewink · · Score: 2, Informative

    To do what AISight does one needs:

    • video software that can track 3-dimensional objects using a 2-dimensional video image. This is a known solved problem.
    • A second layer of software (that uses the first as input) that distinguishes static and moving objects. Static objects form a "background" which can largely be ignored except for collisions with moving objects and except for specific human-input exceptions.
    • A rule database. The initial rule database must have many rules about default object behavior and interactions.
    • A learning system that detects heretofore unseen interactions, alerts a human user and asks for a new rule or validation of the anomaly as something that should cause an alert.

    Moving objects must be dynamically tracked and their behavior somehow segmented into steps. This is arbitrary in that there can be a theoretically infinite variety of such segments for any given macro behavior. E.g., I can say "Mary handed the book to Tom." or I can say "Mary grasped the book, Mary extended her arm in the direction of Tom, Tom extended his hand in the direction of Mary and grasped the book, Mary un-grasped the book, Tom retracted his arm (with the book)." Both describe the same action, but the second has a finer segmentation of behavior.

    All the pieces are available in freeware. It's essentially a classic AI expert system. Since they're getting millions for known technology (and software), I expect to see a freeware version of this available soon!8-))

  52. Something is fishy here by udippel · · Score: 1

    ... because even surveillance is not purely objective. Think about selling it to Islamic countries, for example. Suddenly drinking alcoholic beverages should raise an alert, marrying a second, third or fourth wife must not. There is a whole new market for Hijab, the head-scarves, scantily clad woman. But even in the Western society, a lot needs to be learned. Finns carry their wifes one day in a year, while a woman carried around by a man is 'offensive' in any other society.
    Yes, man, there are absolutely zero objective standards for what a surveillance system should and should not detect. May I myself climb my fence when I lost the gate key? How does the system know? Or does it shoot me on preemptive reasoning?

  53. SimDesk sequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BRS Labs was founded by Ray Davis (http://www.brslabs.com/company_overview.php) who formerly founded SimDesk. SimDesk was the MS Office knockoff that plowed through hundreds of millions before shutting down operations in 2008. SimDesk also made outlandish claims about its software, such as claiming that it could handle "millions of users on a single server" (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2003-01-21-cover-side_x.htm).

  54. Unlikely to spot corruption among politicians by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    Install this thing in congress and train it to watch for corruption. It would probably fill up a massive disk array in a couple hours with positive hits.

    I understand it can only detect abnormal events. Now in many parliaments wouldn't that mean: alert to exceptionally rare cases of non-corruption? You know Professor Lessig changed his focus of research for a reason.
    Whatever the scene may look like to an "intelligent" camera, "Lobbyist walks into lawmakers' offices and leaves without the two black suitcases s/he brought" is probably not an instance of someone planting bombs (at least unless the pictures make it to the pages of the Post).

    To quote Ambrose Bierce:
    politics, n.: The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
    (Others have explained the word as a composite of poly and ticks...)

    Or as Bismarck once said:
    The people sleep better at night if they do not know how laws and sausages are made.

  55. Nice... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 1

    Now they just need to merge this with a federally required RFID marker to identify you and the system can simply flag you as a threat automatically whenever you act outside of set threshold determined by a collectively gathered log of your previous day to day activities.

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    8==8 Bones 8==8
  56. Pure Bullpucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the article. I've been the sad sap (with three to four others per shift) in the alarm center touring 80 on-site and 600 remote cams with associated door/gate/motion/fire sensors.

    I've also been the sad sap moving mice from dirty cages to clean cages. No one has been able to automate that. Wish I could, because that patent would be worth hundreds of millions, easily.

    The notion that you're going to replace a vigilant PTZ operator who knows the site and the flow with a program is ludicrous. A program will never be a brain.

    Granted, some programs work better than some brains, but that's a different topic...

  57. Smart cameras with neural networks by smartsight · · Score: 1

    This is much the same concept as recently presented at ICDSC-2009 in the paper "Abnormal Motion Detection in a Real-time Smart Camera System", based on real-time video analytics and artificial neural networks to autonomously build a model of what is considered normal behavior, subsequently flagging outliers as possible events that require further (human) scrutiny. Thus it acts as an intelligent self-learning classifier/filter that greatly reduces the information stream per camera for human operators.

    1. Re:Smart cameras with neural networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the contribution of this relative to a couple of decades of video analysis and anomaly detection is... what exactly?

      The "concept" you claim to have invented has been around for a long time; the question is how to make it work well, and you don't seem to make it work any better than previous approaches.

  58. I always behave strange in public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would probably trigger on me, because I have a habbit of always acting strange in public.

    When I am in a large crowd and wants to move quickly, walking fast is too slow, but running is difficult due to quick changes in momentum and constant need for acceleration. I have a special technique where I am constantly jumping and alternating between two steps on the left and two steps on the right leg. This allows me to move quickly and maintain speed and quickly pick up acceleration when momentum changes, and allows me to quickly stop and prevent collision. It is a very effective way of moving, although it looks kinda strange.

    While waiting for the train to arrive, or while I am on the train, I also tend to dance. To pass time, have fun and to improve my dancing skills.

    On the train, there is a bar hanging from the roof, which people can hold on to. I use this bar to do pull-up/chin-up exercises. It gives me something to do, makes use of my time so I don't waste it, and gives me healthy training and exercise.

    1. Re:I always behave strange in public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me bro... it is the crack that causes that. Lay off the crack and you will be fine.

  59. "terroristic"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the touts in Saigon, trying to sell us their package tours to the very touristic beaches. (No offence meant to the Vietnamese).

    Seriously, ever heard of a dictionary?

    (the captcha: seconds: only too appropriate).

  60. right.... by Corson · · Score: 1
    "without the need for human training, setup, or programming"

    that's funny, because even young human beings need to learn "good" from "bad", under adult supervision, it's not an automatic process.

  61. so... by speedtux · · Score: 1

    It can figure out that Little Tiffany is dangerous and deserved to die?

  62. As if we really know how the human brain operates. by musterion · · Score: 1

    Many theories, but few empirical facts.

  63. Save the weirdos! by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

    Oh yay, I wonder that would react to my new hobby... or to me in general =/