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$2,000 Bribe Bought Password To DC P.O. System

theodp writes "While the Administration is counting on new Federal CIO Vivek Kundra to simplify and speed the federal IT procurement process, it's doubtful he'll be able to reduce red tape to the extent that a former minion of his did at the scandal-rocked D.C. Office of the CTO. Exhibiting some truly out-of-the-box thinking, project manager Tawanna Sellmon not only processed phony invoices for the contractor at the center of the D.C. bribery and kickback scandal, she also gave him the password to the city's computerized database used to track purchase orders. Sellmon pleaded guilty last week for her role in the scam, which netted her an envelope containing $2,000 in cash, as well as an undisclosed number of $25-$100 gift cards."

187 comments

  1. hmm by SatanClauz · · Score: 4, Funny

    what should I set the reserve for the database password of the state police toxicology test results?

    1. Re:hmm by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Funny

      You think you can still actually sell that? I mean the password is pretty obvious. UrBusteD01 seems to be pretty universal in each state.

    2. Re:hmm by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      It's either "password," "sex," or "god."

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    3. Re:hmm by nstlgc · · Score: 1

      But not necessarely in that order.

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    4. Re:hmm by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

      that's "love", "secret", "sex", and "god"

      so, would your holiness care to change her password?

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    5. Re:hmm by pathological+liar · · Score: 1

      fuck.db

    6. Re:hmm by SatanClauz · · Score: 1

      hah, yea i'd use that back in 2001 but not this yea.... @#$%!!!

    7. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tawanna Sellmon"

      Hmmm....

      I wonder if she could possibly be BLACK, by any chance?

      Washington, DC?

      Hmmm....

      I guess this is part of the 'joys of diversity' that we keep being told about.

      Seriously - what are YOU going to tell your children when they are growing up in a version of South Africa, with 80% of the population NON-WHITE third world trash, who are trying to rob, rape and KILL them on a daily basis? What are you going to tell your children when there is no reliable electricity, no running water, no proper hospitals, no working transport, no television, no internet, because most of the population of your country are now sub 70 IQ third world parasites?

    8. Re:hmm by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      lol

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#National_IQ_estimates

    9. Re:hmm by Jimmy_Slimmy · · Score: 1

      Good link! that link made me laugh out loud, it was so preposterous! even if the conclusion is right, the methods are so hilarious!

      people will believe any reasoning that gets them to where they want to be.

  2. I bet... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet she kept the secret for 47 hours.

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    1. Re:I bet... by Syncerus · · Score: 2, Informative

      This wasn't a troll. It was a reference to a previous article.

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  3. Makes one think. by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have remote access capabilities onto your Network? VPN, Citrix, not blocking GotomyPC? Has anyone at your company done the same thing, offering the competition direct access to your systems?

    1. Re:Makes one think. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I also have a sack truck, two rolls of duct tape, a pair of bulldog clips, and access to the 3-phase supply.

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    2. Re:Makes one think. by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      BoFH, is that you?

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    3. Re:Makes one think. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      No no, you're doing it wrong. You need a water hose, a thick towel, a couple 8' 2x4s and a saw horse. It can be done in the janitorial closet after hours during a "server upgrade" slash FPS tournament.

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  4. Oblig. XKCD reference by dmancilla · · Score: 1, Funny

    $2.000 and gift cards?? i could've get the same with $5 http://xkcd.com/538/

    1. Re:Oblig. XKCD reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you would be hard pressed to find that wrench for $5.

    2. Re:Oblig. XKCD reference by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Try the "Bargain Bin" in most department stores, and even some auto parts stores. While a quality 15" crescent might cost 50 bucks, those bargain bins have "Made in China" wrenches that are quite suitable for loosening lips. Depending on the fortitude of the "suspect", $5 will usually do the trick.

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    3. Re:Oblig. XKCD reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the "Bargain Bin" in most department stores, and even some auto parts stores. While a quality 15" crescent might cost 50 bucks, those bargain bins have "Made in China" wrenches that are quite suitable for loosening lips. Depending on the fortitude of the "suspect", $5 will usually do the trick.

      Doesn't even need to be a 15" crescent wrench. A cheap 12" pipe will do the trick too. (Can be picked up for $4/$3). Go down to your local pick-n-pull, grab some random car part, A muffler can be used

      Hell, a Screwdriver works too. Preference Flat heat. Sharp and pointy works better than Blunt. The human body translates it as a much higher threat.

  5. What always astounds me about govt corruption by amplt1337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is just how laughably cheap people can be bought for. Two grand and some gift cards? SERIOUSLY? You'd go to jail for that? When you're a project manager at a government job with great benefits, probably making more than that every WEEK?

    It's like the Abramoff scandal. People will sell out their country for Capitals tickets. It's not even the Bulls or something!!

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    1. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Kozz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...is just how laughably cheap people can be bought for. Two grand and some gift cards? SERIOUSLY? You'd go to jail for that?

      On the contrary... they would not go to jail for that. It's their own ignorance and stupidity which cause them to be so easily bought -- and to believe that they won't go to jail because they won't get caught. Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.

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    2. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two grand and some gift cards? SERIOUSLY? You'd go to jail for that?

      Dude, seriously. They were Walmart gift cards. What normal person wouldn't spend a few years at Club Fed for those bad boys?

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    3. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by amplt1337 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Enough to get herself a responsible management position at an important technology office. I understand your meaning, but to be qualified for this job she absolutely had a college education, possibly master's degree, and at least five years of tech-related work experience, so she's at least come to money even if she hasn't come from it.

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    4. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

      I agree, but it's not just gov't corruption. People go to jail all the time for embezzling 10 grand.

      At least they do here in philly.

      Maybe it's us.

    5. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by IcyNeko · · Score: 1

      I'd do it for $2001 and a few happy meals!

    6. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "...is just how laughably cheap people can be bought for. Two grand and some gift cards? SERIOUSLY? You'd go to jail for that? "

      The problem is that, until recently, people WEREN'T going to jail for that. The embezzlement in the DC tax office went on for years and involved many people, but no one knew about it. Marion Barry just got caught paying hush money to his ex girlfriend with government funds, and the council is trying to decide if that's an ethics violation.

      I don't think DC city government is any more corrupt than other major cities, but when you operate in the center of the 24 hour news universe, you'd think they would clue in a bit.

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    7. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by jonpublic · · Score: 4, Informative

      HA! That's nothing.

      In Detroit here we had a 1.2 BILLION dollar deal that was approved by city council only after someone got a $5,000 or $10,000 bribe. You might have heard of Monica Conyers or perhaps her husband, John Conyers.

      The way it works here is you hire a "consultant" who supposedly puts you in touch with the right people. What actually happens is the consultant pockets half of the consultant fee, and gives the other half to the person you want to influence. And then the vote changes.

      A few people are already on their way to jail, but it's nothing compared to the cost to the city and the hundreds of workers who lost their jobs as a result of the deal.

    8. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      What normal person wouldn't spend a few years at Club Fed for those bad boys?

      I don't think you go to Club Fed when the victim of your crime was Uncle Sam himself. He can be a rather unforgiving sort. I'd imagine you go to Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for this sort of stupidity.

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    9. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      What normal person wouldn't spend a few years at Club Fed for those bad boys?

      I don't think you go to Club Fed when the victim of your crime was Uncle Sam himself. He can be a rather unforgiving sort. I'd imagine you go to Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for this sort of stupidity.

      Wait.

      Club Fed... Federal PMITA.

      Club Fed... Federal PMITA.

      They won't send you to Federal prison; they'll send you to Federal prison...

      Okay then.

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    10. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by joocemann · · Score: 1

      Some people commit heinous acts for the thrill of it. Robert Hansen of the FBI always wanted to be a spy; in time he ended up working for the FBI but to fulfill his long held fantasies he spied against the US for the Russians.

    11. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Well criminals never get to keep the proceeds of crime, at least the proceeds they confess too or are caught with. Now if you have access to their Swiss or Bahamas bank accounts (bankers facilitating crime on a global basis), you likely end up with a quite different risk benefit analysis, really, millions of dollars of fraud and not even a 10% commission, now that would be truly hard to believe.

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    12. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Mikkeles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.'

      Well, at least the ones of whom you've heard.

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    13. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Chibi · · Score: 1

      re: "responsible management position at an important technology office"

      I think you might be overestimating the qualifications needed for promotion within the government. I worked for the Federal Government for a while, and their review process was basically pass/fail. Someone who had been around for 15+ years was discussing promotions with me once, and they government, trying to be fair to a fault, will do things like give priority to people with advanced degrees.

      This might sound fine, but there are plenty of not-so-great universities that offer masters degree programs that don't require too much effort. Also, I imagine she might have taken advantage of some type of tuition reimbursement. So, some type of higher position as a civil servant doesn't always equate to a high skillset or lots of experience or good education. Of course there are exceptions, but the norm is probably not all that impressive.

      Also, most people of influence and wealth don't target civil servant-type positions. They got after appointments and then try to make more money eventually moving to the private sector.

      Just read the post that the parent was replying to, and I realized he was replying to a troll... =\

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    14. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      On the contrary... they would not go to jail for that. It's their own ignorance and stupidity which cause them to be so easily bought -- and to believe that they won't go to jail because they won't get caught. Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.

      Criminals that you know about are not known for their brains. The ones that are never caught are usually quite clever.

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    15. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What always astounds me is that people think this only happens in the government. I admit, people in corporations are more expensive to bribe, because they make more money, but the idea that this doesn't happen in the corporate worlds is just silly. The big difference is corporations can legal hide these problems.

    16. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      It was the age of Wisdom.
      It was the age of Darkness.
      It was the age of neo-cons raping and pillaging all that they could.

      And a merry Christmas to all.

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    17. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously! I mean, the real mistake here is that she didn't use them to buy a Three Wolf Moon t-shirt.

    18. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "but to be qualified for this job she absolutely had a college education, possibly master's degree,

      You base that on what, exactly?

      I know a lot of important IT manager that don't ahve a degree.

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    19. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this is the government. They're real sticklers for that sort of thing because they try to be all meritocratic, and presence of a degree is nice and objective (and if the value of whatever degree is present is not necessarily so objective, well... that's the problem with over-fixating on objectivity).

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    20. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.

      Neither are government employees/civil servants.

    21. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not necessarily. A civil service position doesn't require a lot of qualifications, especially if you know the people in HR who can pull the right strings. It also helps if you are a member of a protected group (e.g., military veteran, disabled, disadvantaged minority), who all get preferential hiring treatment in the civil service system. These folks go right to top of the hiring list and get extra points added to their civil service exam scores just because of their background.

      I work as a contractor for a state government office, and this kind of job goes to career civil servants who may have no more qualifications than a high school diploma. Once you are in the civil service system, you have a job for LIFE and can move upward into management without taking any additional college courses. We have managers in the IT group who have no IT experience at all, nor any MBA or MPA credentials to back up their management titles. They just got into the civil service system back in the late 1980s or early 1990s and have kissed the correct behinds to get regularly promoted. They also have a strong union to protect their positions, and cannot be laid off in an economic crisis. And the retirement benefits are sweeeeeeeet!

      The only way to get fired from a civil service job is to commit a felony or some kind of treasonous offense, like Ms. Sellmon. Even alcohol, drug addiction, and mental illness are covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act, so these folks cannot be fired because of their "disability," only offered counseling and support.

      The government is not AT ALL like the private sector.

    22. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

      No kidding considering Acar most likely got hundreds of thousands of dollars out of all this and the dumb bitch willing to get a kick back of just $2000 and some gift cards.

    23. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.

      You're confusing criminals with criminals who get caught.

    24. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      The banking industry would agree.

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    25. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    26. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by dotgain · · Score: 1

      This has got to be the tenth time the "you only hear about the dumb criminals" has played out on /. this week! Jeez!

    27. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading an article written by some Russian where he was fascinated by how cheap the US and EU politicians were - Russia might be more corrupt, but the bribes are also way, way, larger.

    28. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because it's about the tenth time someone has posted "criminals are dumb" on/. this week. Whine!

    29. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by nature_geek · · Score: 0

      As a resident in DC and an employee of the federal government, the type of government corruption demonstrated by this incident is not surprising at all. DC has a higher mean per capital income than any of the fifty states, and yet the infrastructure of DC--public transportation, roads, _city_ facilities (not counting federal facilities), library system, bike trails, etc, etc.--are pathetically meager. Three years of living here and I'm wondering where the heck my tax dollars are going?

    30. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yeah. In fairness, it's about 80% to truth: the other 20% is that you DO hear about the smart criminals. They just don't look like criminals unless you're really paying attention, and they don't get caught. Many of them are known for other things.

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    31. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by Edvais · · Score: 1

      Fits the profile ;)

    32. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by alexo · · Score: 1

      'Criminals are not exactly known for their brains.'

      Well, at least the ones of whom you've heard.

      Under the presumption of innocence, the ones you don't hear about are, by definition, not criminals.

    33. Re:What always astounds me about govt corruption by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      Well lets see now how many white collar types have actually gone to jail (outside of club fed)?
      That is why people do it as if they get caught there is no real danger that they would actually go to a real jail.

      I know it is hard to decide how much time each white criminal should do. I do not have answers just put them in a regular jail and it would scare the heck out of any potential felons.

  6. makes you wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...what kind of "EEO" bullshit got "Tawanna" cushy job as a "project manager" at the DC CTO office.

    1. Re:makes you wonder... by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "...what kind of "EEO" bullshit got "Tawanna" cushy job as a "project manager" at the DC CTO office."

      FYI, DC is a majority black city - having a black government employee there is like having a Native American employed by tribal governments. EEO would only serve to get white and hispanic applicants hired in DC.

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    2. Re:makes you wonder... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Please cite a case where affirmative action has helped a white guy get a job in DC.

    3. Re:makes you wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, like EEO policies apply to whites. You act as if one of those "E"s stands for equal.

    4. Re:makes you wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See Bush, George W.

    5. Re:makes you wonder... by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      Reread my post - I said "would" apply. The prospective form, not the descriptive.

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    6. Re:makes you wonder... by conspirator57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      nice theory, but i grew up in DC. yes black people can and some do discriminate against whites and other groups. heck, as old as it is, School Daze was and still is relevant vis a vis light/dark black discrimination.

      however, this is probably mostly a symptom of the society of ineptitude that is DC government. your hiring manager has to have a clue and be able to vet whether an applicant actually knows the stuff their alleged degree says they should know. that hiring manager's manager is likely a political appointee, and well, you get the idea that politics might be involved.

      i also used that experience (of having grown up in DC) to express my wish on /. that Obama choose the Cisco person rather than the DC guy with 0 clue about tech and associates and underlings of "questionable" ethics. at best our CIO is clueless about managing people, at worst he's involved in the corruption, but smarter than his underlings. the latter doesn't seem hard from the behavior this lady evidenced.

      when i was in high school in DC Public Fools^H^H^H^H^H Schools, DC got a federal grant of like $10-20million to improve school access to computers, which at the time (mid 90s) consisted primarily of private corporate charity of end of life PC ATs. The government wasted the money paying contractors to "measure the state of computer and network access in the classroom". this was something a manager with two eyes and half a brain could have done in less than a month. none of the money got spent on actually putting computers in classrooms.

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    7. Re:makes you wonder... by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "nice theory, but i grew up in DC. yes black people can and some do discriminate against whites and other groups. heck, as old as it is, School Daze was and still is relevant vis a vis light/dark black discrimination.

      however, this is probably mostly a symptom of the society of ineptitude that is DC government. your hiring manager has to have a clue and be able to vet whether an applicant actually knows the stuff their alleged degree says they should know. that hiring manager's manager is likely a political appointee, and well, you get the idea that politics might be involved."

      You misunderstand; I was replying to an overtly racist comment suggesting that the only reason the person had the job in the first place was because she was black and an EEO program. I was pointing out that was impossible, as blacks cannot sue a majority black organization for "equal opportunity". The only people with grounds for that are minorities, which in DC means whites and hispanics. I was arguing that there was NOT racial bias in her hiring, not that there was.

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    8. Re:makes you wonder... by amplt1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      George W. Bush.

      Next question please?

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    9. Re:makes you wonder... by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

      but there still could have been racism involved, just not through EEO programs. A black manager could have preferred a black candidate over others. of course it could have been nepotism or networking too. or as i presume without evidence, plain incompetence.

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  7. Re:Well, there's a shocker..... by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um no? She was a underling that was CAUGHT, she had nothing to do with the guy who is now the CIO. Get your facts straight before you decide to be a right wing moron.

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  8. The problem with bribery by davidwr · · Score: 1

    $2000 + change is selling yourself cheap.

    Most people can be bought, but the price is so high they can't spend it without attracting attention.

    "Would you betray your company/country for $1?" "No."
    "Would you betray your company/country for $1,000?" "No."
    "Would you betray your company/country for $1,000,000?" "No."
    "Would you betray your company/country for $1,000,000,000?" "Maybe" "ok, how do you plan on explaining how you suddenly got a billion dollars?"

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    1. Re:The problem with bribery by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      "Would you betray your company/country for $1,000,000,000?" "Maybe" "ok, how do you plan on explaining how you suddenly got a billion dollars?"

      From a purely scientific point of view, one can simply have the party in question organize an official "raffle" or "sales promotion lottery" or some such, ostensibly meant to promote their product or service and open to general public. And since they control the entire process, it would not be too difficult for you to end up with the "winning" raffle ticket.

      Purely academic, you understand.

    2. Re:The problem with bribery by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then you have to pay taxes on your $1,000,000,000. Raffle winnings are treated the same as lottery winnings, which are all treated as gambling winnings and probably taxable in the 30-40% range. In this case the irony would be that 1/3 to 1/2 of the bribery money would go back to the govt, and eventually be used to hire even more corrupt and inept people...

    3. Re:The problem with bribery by AlecC · · Score: 5, Informative

      Reading TFA, it looks as if she didn't sell the password, she gave it away to be helpful, and the contractor only later gave her the $2000 (and gift cards) as a present. I.e. she didn't realise what she was doing, that the password she gave him permitted him, basically, to authorise any bill he chose to submit. So she is primarily guilty of total stupidity rather than criminal intent. Maybe, for the good of the species, such stupidity should be treated as even more criminal - but it isn't.

      What this makes clear, yet again, is that the human is the weakest point in any system, and any human who has not received positive training in security is a very weak point indeed. Which says that, whatever the physical security, any government database with thousands of users, let alone hundreds of thousands as planned form some, will be subverted, for certain, within months.

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    4. Re:The problem with bribery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends, if the bribe is in cash a sensible person could simply stash the cash in a safety depositbox and simply take out small amounts.

      Ofcourse blowing it all on a flashy car, a house and a small Dubai island is going to look suspicious if your income isn't sufficient for these purchases. But I can also imagine many things I could use that wouldn't look suspicious. I could easely live off a billion dollars for the rest of my live simply because I'm not all that attracted to a flashy high society lifestyle.

      Most people that have been bribed get caught because they spend it in stupid ways.

    5. Re:The problem with bribery by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still beats the hell out of a $25 gift-card, if you ask me ... but then again neither the bribers or the bribees in these two-bit, amateur-hour shows were known for competence or ambition.

      For some perspective, consider the Iraq invasion: $3 trillion (and that is just the latest estimate) in cash down the drain, all to private concerns, multiple billions of which are not only unaccounted for, but were actually delivered in form of mountains of $100, $50 and $20 bills on shipping pallets....

      And then there is the "too big to fail" multi-hundred billion cash bailout for the destitute and starving Wall Street, the specifics of which are so sensitive as to constitute a "national security" concern ...

      In short, what is on display here is the difference between professionals and hobbyists.

    6. Re:The problem with bribery by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Considering most money laundering processes can easily have an efficiency of only 10-20% (ie. you lose up to 80% of the money), I reckon losing 30-40% is a pretty sweet deal.

    7. Re:The problem with bribery by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I dunno, I'd be fine with one million. Keep it in a secure location (you can afford a nice fireproof safe with that much) and just use it to augment your current lifestyle. Don't make outlandish purchases. One million in hundreds isn't that large either: http://www.cockeyed.com/inside/million/million.html

      That's the rub though: being careful with it. You can't blow it on Rodeo Drive day one. Limit yourself to a grand a month and spread it around. Can probably deposit some in your normal account occassionally. Explaining 1M at once? Problem. Explaining 1M over 20, 30 years? Much easier.

    8. Re:The problem with bribery by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 1

      --yet another thing that baffles me about the American system. You've WON a PRIZE -- why does the government.... No, wait, strike that: Why do the citizens of your country continue to allow the government to take 30-40% of it away? I'm pretty sure that it's the same with gambling at a casino and winning the big prize on The Price is Right. Am I mistaken?

      In Canada there are no taxes paid on prize winnings. None at all. However, if you win the billion dollars and earn interest off of it, those proceeds are taxed at the standard rate.

    9. Re:The problem with bribery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely irrational, of course. The result of a population trained to maximize profits rather than their own happiness.

    10. Re:The problem with bribery by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      Same with Australia. Honestly, I don't think most people care. What percentage of people actually wins something, let alone something large enough to get that much a chunk taken out of? The rest of us are probably bitter at them and secretly get jollies off of watching the winners get reamed by the gov't. (Schaudefreude for the win!)

      Seriously, people on average would rather get $75k compared to a neighbor's $50k than get $125k compared to a neighbor's $150k. They'd willingly give up 50k JUST to make more than someone. (Yes, there's a citation on this, even a /. article on it I believe, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Numbers might be off too, but the theory's the same.)

    11. Re:The problem with bribery by confused+one · · Score: 1

      "ok, how do you plan on explaining how you suddenly got a billion dollars?"

      Rich uncle in Nigeria.

    12. Re:The problem with bribery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't have to explain how I got it.

    13. Re:The problem with bribery by selven · · Score: 1

      That would also be fraud - the public participated under the false knowledge that they had a chance of winning.

    14. Re:The problem with bribery by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      Err, your point? Are you trying to suggest that crooks engaged in billion dollar briberies would be just completely terrified of committing fraud?! "Well we can bribe for industrial and state secrets, but no sireee, fraud, that is where we draw the line!".

      Really...

    15. Re:The problem with bribery by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Why do the citizens of your country continue to allow the government to take 30-40% of it away?

      Because it's income, and income is taxable. The bigger question is why we continue to tolerate unearned income (e.g. investments, dividends) being taxed at a lower rate than work.

      Meanwhile, if you ever win the lottery and are upset about getting only 60% of the payout, I will be happy to take the ticket off your hands for the dollar you paid for it.

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    16. Re:The problem with bribery by bartwol · · Score: 1

      So she is primarily guilty of total stupidity rather than criminal intent.

      It is interesting that you choose to attribute to stupidity that which is more easily attributed to greed.

      Then, you imply that this person didn't receive "positive training in security," and that said lapse in training significantly contributed to the errant behavior.

      Might you consider that a person whom you assert to be so stupid is unlikely to significantly benefit from security training?

      Or might you be so intent upon advancing lame apologist theories of human behavior that you are willing to essentially disregard the easily observable presence of greed and lack of concern for community that are pervasive in the world in general, the U.S. in particular, and D.C. government to extreme.

    17. Re:The problem with bribery by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Start a business.

      Filter the money in as regular customer payment.

      Proper accounting you will take about 10% loss, maybe less.

      Not a bad fee to pay to be laundered.

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    18. Re:The problem with bribery by AlecC · · Score: 1

      Since it appears that, at the time she gave the password away, she had no expectation of reward, it is difficulty to ascribe her motivation to greed; that was my point.

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    19. Re:The problem with bribery by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      >"ok, how do you plan on explaining how you suddenly got a billion dollars?"

      Thanks to the government's response to Nixon, you can't be prosecuted for information you give out on your tax returns. So just put it down on your federal income tax as "betraying my country".

    20. Re:The problem with bribery by bartwol · · Score: 1
      How did you arrive at the belief that she had no expectation of reward when she gave away the password? I understand that the prosecutor did not present evidence to indicate that she did. But did I miss some other fact that would support your belief?

      Please do note that I find any defensive remarks of the woman who accepted a $2,000 "gift" from a business associate to be less than credible. You may feel otherwise.

    21. Re:The problem with bribery by AlecC · · Score: 1

      To quote TFA

      In December, Bansal asked Sellmon for her bank account so he could provide a monetary "gift" to her, court document said.

      When Sellmon declined to provide Bansal with her bank account, he returned to her office workplace and handed her a plain envelope containing $2,000 in cash, telling her that "his company had a good year and he wanted to thank her," court filings said.

      The clear implication is that the password was given well before December (otherwise why mention the month), and the contractor was just sharing the riches after the fact..

      I do not feel that I am defending the woman, just trying to get a clear analysis of what occurred rather than a knee-jerk one. I think the problem here is stupidity and not criminality, and therefore any defence mechanisms put up against criminality would be wasted effort. One of the problems of current security processes is defending the things that are easy to defend, not the things that are easy to attack: armour-plating the front door while leaving the back door open. In this case, multiple checks might well have revealed that this woman was as honest as most - but not giving her training in the value of the passwords she was holding left the back door open. Those responsible for security too often ignore human factors in the wider sense: blackmail, writing passwords down, "helpful" sharing of critical information and so on.

      The woman was stupid, and undoubtedly venial. Yes, she accepted $2000 which she certainly should not have done. But what would a stupid person who realises, too late, that they have given away the keys to the safe actually do? She shut up and hoped the problem would go away - which it didn't. To quote what is called Hanlon's Razor, "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." I think this is a prime example.

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    22. Re:The problem with bribery by bartwol · · Score: 1

      The clear implication is that the password was given well before December

      Yes. But your inference that she did not receive consideration prior to that time is not supported by any evidence. You seem to have inferred this from the prosecution's absence of evidence of her having received prior payment.

      In a case like this, it would be LIKELY that early payments in the conspiracy, prior to triggering and ramp-up of the investigation, WOULD NOT BE KNOWN by the prosecution (and certainly would not be offered by the defense absent of some plea agreement). The woman demonstrated the presence of mind to conceal payments through cash-only transactions (as opposed to wire transfer), so her conspiracy includes money laundering.

      I am NOT inferring that she DID receive prior consideration. But you ARE inferring that she DIDN'T. And that's more than a bit pollyannaish.

      From TFA:

      Sellmon also admitted to accepting $100 gift cards from Bansal while working at OCTO.

      Note that she worked at OCTO in 2007, at least a year earlier. And also note that such gift cards are traceable, thereby allowing the prosecution to provide evidence of Sellmon having received prior consideration. But you seem to assert that she was oblivious to the motives behind those "gifts" as well.

      I am now picturing two people on a stage. One is that woman, a Project Manager with years of experience as a government employee, looking you straight in the eye and saying that she had no idea that the passing of the password, the acceptance of the $2,000, the acceptance of the gift cards, constituted a serious ethical breach. And you turn to the audience and declare, "I believe her. I believe she is just stupid."

      No offense intended...but whom do you think sounds kind of silly here?

  9. Nice SEO slander by foniksonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If TFA isn't a Troll I'll eat my shorts.

    What's the best way to SEO slander someone.... without getting hit by a lawsuit? Just put them in the same article with a dubious individual - make a virtual connection even if no real connection exist... then people will start discussing them together and voila - they must be close friends!

    Shameless and disgusting.

    What's worse is that the reference to Kundra was obviously added after the story was initially posted on the linked site... that text with Kundra's name isn't even in a p tag, it appears styled differently in the rendered version as well, almost like an editor went in and added it after the author had published - "Hmm we need more hits on this story, let's put Kundra's name in it... that will get hits".

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    1. Re:Nice SEO slander by corbettw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FTFA: "Until recently, the technology office was headed by Vivek Kundra, who has taken a job as President Obama's chief information officer. A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence. "

      Sounds like the former CTO might have more bones in his closet related to this thing than has yet been acknowledged. Why else take a leave of absence because a former employee did something shady?

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    2. Re:Nice SEO slander by jonpublic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a fact in public life that if the people around you are dirty, some of that dirt will rub off on you, whether or not you are involved.

      Once the public's trust is broken, it's very hard to earn it back.

    3. Re:Nice SEO slander by Danathar · · Score: 1

      yea...why stop. We could also just say "President OBAMA's trusted Federal CIO Vivek Kundra former office staffed with people he worked close with are being prosecuted....."

      guilt by association is sometimes true and sometimes not but those who do so without OTHER evidence to back it up are sleezy

    4. Re:Nice SEO slander by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "make a virtual connection even if no real connection exist..."

      So the fact that she worked FOR him isn't a "real" connection? Most of the time, when an employee gets caught doing something that damages the organization, the first person they go to is the supervisor, either to see if he was in on it or to at least ask "How did you let this happen."

      You seem to be saying that the normal rules of reporting don't apply, because he is associated with Obama.

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    5. Re:Nice SEO slander by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      Odd that no other major news reports are mentioning this "leave of absence". Smells like libel?

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    6. Re:Nice SEO slander by operagost · · Score: 1

      This is D.C., which re-elected Mayor Marion Barry after he served six years in prison for getting caught smoking crack with his mistress.

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    7. Re:Nice SEO slander by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, figured it out. He took a five-day leave of absence when the story first broke in March. Old news.

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    8. Re:Nice SEO slander by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. That's the same type of thikning that buys into the "where there is smoke there is fire fallacy."

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    9. Re:Nice SEO slander by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the bitch set him up.

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  10. Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as if it were what it is: treason. This, cheaply bought bureaucrat, has sold her nation down the tubes for a pittance. Sushil Bansal, the owner of Advanced Integrated Technologies, made millions. Execute all three. Especially Advanced Integrated Technologies; it's high time for corporate death penalties that leave shareholders with worthless paper. Then we may see some responsibility at the top - not just profits.

    I'm for stoning them at the base of the Washington Monument.

    1. Re:Let's treat this by gandhi_2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually, she just sold the District of Columbia's tubes for a pittance. my only regret is that she didn't sell the entire city.

    2. Re:Let's treat this by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The executives should go to jail, and the company should pay compensation (hurting shareholders out of necessity), but the shareholders themselves (retirement funds and the like) had nothing to do with the decision.

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    3. Re:Let's treat this by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but the shareholders themselves (retirement funds and the like) had nothing to do with the decision.

      Bullshit. That is the copout that corporations have been using forever but there are two major and fatal problems with it: 1) shareholders choose to invest in companies and 2) they have (with any brains) the voting shares, and thus the ability to change the board of directors and with it the CEO.

      So no dice. Whining that "We didn't know that our money invested in the 'White Phosphorus Bombs R Us' will actually hurt anyone! We just looked for the 200% return!" is scoring the unscrupulous assholes no points.

      Also, the stock market is a gambling casino for those with more money then brains (now more so then ever before, where company earnings or dividends have no bearing whatsoever on share price). Retirement money does not belong there.

    4. Re:Let's treat this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    5. Re:Let's treat this by radish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a difference between investing in companies which publically take part in activities you personally don't agree with (such as weapons manufacture) and investing in outwardly innocent companies which are secretly breaking the law. Of course, once the illegal activity is revealed, what you do next as a shareholder is squarely on your head/conscience.

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    6. Re:Let's treat this by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      This is the DC city government - you can only commit treason against a nation. I won't disagree that the penalties for corporate misfeasance and malfeasance should be higher, but don't try to apply laws where they patently don't apply.

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    7. Re:Let's treat this by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      as if it were what it is: treason.

      The Constitution defines treason. And this isn't it, much as you'd like it to be.

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    8. Re:Let's treat this by operagost · · Score: 1

      White Phosphorus Bombs R Us

      Thanks for the solid logic, Captain Straw Man.

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    9. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      (1) I'm an attorney; and,
      (2) The District of Columbia is a Federal Enclave; and,
      (3) The passing along of the password to the owners of the company could easily be a pathway out to enemies of the state under the provisions of Patriot Act I; and,
      (4) I'm sick and tired of corrupt politicians/bureaucrats and would gladly eliminate the death penalty for all but that class (remember, it was Mark Twain who said that the US had no native criminal class, but politicians.); and,
      (5) Yes, treason is overreaching - but it got your attention; and,
      (6) As J.J. Cale said, "You'd be amazed at the things that you can buy with small change."

    10. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah - love the WKRP quote!

    11. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Article 3, Sec. 3 U.S> Constitution
      Treason

      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

      The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

      As I posted earlier, the password could easily have been passed to an enemy of the state and under Patriot Act I that's Aid to the Enemy in the "war on Terr" - and, don't forget that the District is a Federal Enclave. Yes, treason is overreaching, but the case can be made that it applies.

    12. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

    13. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      What about the bank shareholders? 94 have gone under so far this year and - aside from mutual fund investors, let the shareholders enjoy the invisible hand taking their money...

    14. Re:Let's treat this by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      outwardly innocent companies which are secretly breaking the law.

      This is where the whole silly "free market" ideology falls apart. In the supposed "efficient free market" you are expected to have only "informed buyers" making rational purchases. So either you should have shareholders buying shares of companies of whose activities they are fully aware of (as in having thoroughly investigated them) or you have a "market" composed of con artists and marks. If you are incapable, or unwilling, to obtain a complete picture of what you are buying, then you are culpable for all of the results of your purchase, according to the ideologues.

      Of course it is clearly impossible to be aware of all aspects of one's purchase with most modern products, shares of secretive companies in particular, and so any pretense of "free market" ever being possible is just idiot ideologues talking. And thus the whole particular idea of "shares" or "stock market" is horribly flawed in its inception, resulting in a glorified gambling casino where not only the value of "shares" of companies but also the real-world outcomes of the activities of those companies are utterly random. Which is the very reason for "ordinary people" not to "invest" in the crooked thing in the first place.

      All those who participate are culpable by definition, for having chosen to actively support something over which they have no control.

    15. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      How about corrupt politicians? No straw man there - try googling Duke Cunningham. That worthless pos is drawing his congressional retirement in jail!

      I say: drop a concrete bucket on that whiny wimp and make him a man of the earth...

    16. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      A government of, by and for the people is US. The worthless bastards we have in powerful positions need legislator/bureaucrat liability to get their attention.

      I have no problem with our government - just the people who are in it... BUSHIES!

    17. Re:Let's treat this by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      I thought you might bring up the Federal Enclave argument. Is not the DC government a separate entity, even though the status of the city is a federal enclave?

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    18. Re:Let's treat this by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Execute all three.

      Yeah, China called, they want their judiciary system back.

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    19. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Not when Congress has the power of the purse for the city, my friend....

      Look at the Supreme Court's overruling the local government ban on handguns in D.C. in D.C. v. Heller. It clearly states that the Congress controls the District.

      Why in the hell do you think a "local corruption" matter was in federal court to begin with? There are no "lower" courts in the district.

      Federal Jurisdiction exists for all but violations (traffic) within the District of Columbia.

    20. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      You got a problem with executing Corporations?
      You got a problem executing people who bribe government and wreak havoc on millions for their personal benefit?
      You got a problem offing the idiot for sale for $2k? (Well, you have me there - anybody hard up enough to be bought for $2k gets another chance...)

      As for China - that's not a Judicial System, it's population control!

    21. Re:Let's treat this by amplt1337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have zero problem with executing corporations, since they aren't actually people anyway. And I think that someone who engages in this kind of government corruption (er, if the other posters saying she was duped are incorrect) being sentenced to hard labor, say... but I'd prefer the state didn't go around killing people, most especially on trumped-up charges of treason. That's too easily abused; seems like a slippery slope to tyranny.

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    22. Re:Let's treat this by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      It's not the jurisdiction I'm asking about, but application of the law. Treason is a crime against a nation - the US Government is the "victim". But could it be construed as the victim in this case? The DC government, while federally chartered, etc, etc, is not a "branch" of the federal government. Or is it.

      BTW, I'm a longtime resident of the MD suburbs and both my wife and I have worked in the city, so I'm not entirely unknowledgeable.

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    23. Re:Let's treat this by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      So how would you deal with share holders of mutual funds?

      How about the index funds?

      What about people who put their money in a bank that then lends to these companies?

      Or what about...?

      Perhaps it is not as simple as you make it appear.

      regards.

    24. Re:Let's treat this by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      The whole notion of a "stock market" or "investing" in things over which you have no control or knowledge about is, frankly, insane. This includes indirect forms of such gambling such as index trading or entities which engage in trading many shares in bulk at once, etc and so on.

      If you engage in insane activities, you better be prepared to deal with the consequences.

      So yes, it is far simpler that you are trying to make it appear.

      Regards.

    25. Re:Let's treat this by Noren · · Score: 1

      Well, since we're quoting the Constitution - Article 1, Section 8: The Congress shall have power ... To declare war...

      The last time the Congress exercised its power to declare war was June 5, 1942. Thankfully, we've been at peace since World War II ended, albeit with a few military engagements that were not declared Wars per the Constitution.

    26. Re:Let's treat this by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, only if she gave the password to someone we were levying war on.

      ", the password could easily have been "

      But it wasn't. End of story.

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    27. Re:Let's treat this by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I'd rather see them stoned with The Washington Monument.

    28. Re:Let's treat this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Constitution defines treason

      So, anyone who thinks and acts as though The Constitution was merely a piece of paper fits the bill, by definition?

    29. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Tyranny is here. Deal with it. Mr. Bush and his cronies have "wiretapped" the entire Internet and you don't think that we are facing Tyranny? Wake up!

      Meanwhile, the higher up the political food chain we can hammer the predators, the better.

      Tom Delay should be in an organophospahte nightmare. Total Information Awareness Poindexter and his ilk should be dancing on short ropes.

      This gal and her corporate weasels are the bottom feeders (although the corporate weasels are far worse than a woman who needs only $2k to sell out her nation).

      I am for offing these bastards and leaving the corp investors broke. Take the entire management of the corrupt organization and drop them from 3,000 ft over the FL Keys - feed the alligators.

      4K US soldiers and 1 meg civilians dead in Iraq because of the BushCO corruption administration and nobody notices?

      This level of corruption is a direct result of higher level corruption.

    30. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      I cited the holding in the 2nd Amendment case. D.C. is a part of the federal government - they have no senators, no representatives and no local authority that Congress can't and doesn't override under the theory that DC is a government enclave.

      If you don't have lesser courts - there is no better definition of FEDERAL JURISDICTION.

    31. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Except for police actions. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution....

    32. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      The "war on terr" is a vast and unspecified enemy. She did violate the terms of the Patriot Act. Sorry, but when Bush declares war on a methodology and institutes torture, we are at war with EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING....

      So, a case is easily made for TREASON by virtue of giving aid to the (undefined) enemy.

      Kill her.

    33. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Join them if you think this is funny....

    34. Re:Let's treat this by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Yes, treason is overreaching, but the case can be made that it applies.

      No, it can't.

      If the password were passed to an enemy of the USA, then the person who did the passing could, conceivably, be charged with treason. But unless the person who passed it to an enemy was the person who sold it for $2000, then the person who sold it for $2000 couldn't be charged with anything more than "willful stupidity" (which, unfortunately, is still not a crime).

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    35. Re:Let's treat this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. Knowingly passing that password is enough. See, Sec. 217. Interception of computer trespasser communications USA Patriot Act. Here's your link, wizard: http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/patriot_text.pdf

    36. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/patriot_text.pdf Read it and weep, computer trespasser communications are treasonous under the Patriot Act.

      Take 'em out back and 'off em, Danno.

    37. Re:Let's treat this by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      There's tyranny and then there's "extrajudicial killings of entire families are carried out by the government." Things are in a bad way -- but think about what you're basically proposing; you're saying that the best way to fight endemic government corruption which reaches up into the highest echelons of power is to... give the government more authority to kill people, and cross your fingers that this time it uses it responsibly?

      Look, I understand where you're coming from, I really do, but I think there are implications of what you're saying that could seriously backfire. Even the People's Anti-Corruption Justice Circle has some implementation issues. Putting together institutions that are more trustworthy than their worst members, that empower good people to mete out justice while hampering evil people from wreaking oppression--that stuff is hard, man. Like NP-Complete hard.

      Shorter me: I like your ideas, but while I trust me to have my finger on the trigger, I don't know you so well.

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    38. Re:Let's treat this by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Legislator liability is an idea whose time has come. The tripartite government acts within the Judicial branch to establish the guilt or innocence of us mere mortals, why not the Legislative Branch (actually, they already are - I just want much higher penalties)? The average murderer kills for the most tawdry of reasons and thinks not about the consequences. People who have massive power and personally control millions of dollars, like our Senators (save, one - Bernie Sanders is not a Millionaire) and the bureaucrats like John Yoo (executive branch liability, too!) have so much more to lose... that the ultimate penalty would actually deter them.

      I've always been in favor of setting black letter law for white collar thieves - steal $1meg or more and we execute you. That would cut WAY BACK on their schemes because, once again - they have so much to lose and would actually be deterred.

      Finally, there is historical precedent - the Roman Senate had a rule, a Senator could propose any law - only if the law did not pass his fellow Senators would kill him.

  11. Leveraging the Clound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Puts a whole new meaning into "leveraging the cloud"

  12. A proper caning by m0s3m8n · · Score: 1

    A proper caning followed by some time is in order here. A little corporal punishment could go a long way. It may push the risk/reward ratio for petty shit like this up a bit.

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    1. Re:A proper caning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make it public, too - add some humiliation into the mix.

    2. Re:A proper caning by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Corporal punishment does not work. Never really has. Unless you goal is to make meaner criminals.

      The lose of employment and jail time will be planty of punishment. It would not be a detrent becasue the same thinking that went on here wouldnt think caning would happen.

      Of course, she was tricked into giving up the password, and latter was given a gift she wasn't expecting.
      Was she in the wrong regardless of expected monies? yes. Would ahve caning on the books had changed anything? no.

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  14. Re:Well, there's a shocker..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're dumb...

  15. How do people rationalize bribery? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there a common theme for the rationalizations of mostly-law-abiding people who accept bribes?

    The government is so big that it won't matter to them? They tax me so much, they owe this to me? Everyone else does it, so I'm a chump if I'm honest?

    1. Re:How do people rationalize bribery? by rotide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like it or not, money is pretty much _everything_ in this world. You need it to simply live. You need even more of it to live somewhat comfortably. You need even more of it to get decent health care. You need a bunch more to hold a job in most places as you'll need transportation. After you make some you'll want to make more so you can retire some day. All the while, most people enjoy consuming "stuff". Clothes, games, pictures, movies, etc, etc. All that takes even more money.

      My Point? Basically, put a person in the position of making what appears to be quick easy money and they will probably be tempted if not fully accepting.

      It's not even greed as much as it is a simple need to hoard cash. One day, you _will_ need that cash and turning down an easy sum of it is, to most people, stupid.

      Although, in the case of doing something that will easily get you a jail sentence for what amounts to a week or two of pay, is stupid.

      But we all need money and if someone offers you some and you weigh out the potential risks.. Hell, if it looks good, who needs rationalization. It's money and you accept the risk of taking it.

    2. Re:How do people rationalize bribery? by selven · · Score: 1

      You're not directly stealing from someone (psychologically/morally easier than stealing, which is the other criminal way to get money) and the money is right under your nose (practically easier than stealing).

    3. Re:How do people rationalize bribery? by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      I consider myself a pretty honest person. If I am not charged for something at the Register of a Store I usually point that fact out, despite it being just a pittance going into the coffers of a larger corporation. I don't steal from work (Actually, I'm a klepto when it comes to pens. I put at least one of the things in my pocket per week and go home with them. I seriously told my employer and asked them to take the cost of two boxes of pens out of my paycheck to make up for it) and am never really tempted to do so.

      However, I have never been put into a situation where I have been offered a substantial bribe. I'd imagine that somewhere along the pay scale someone could convince me to do something unscrupulous. For $2000? Heck no. For $10,000, no. For $100,000? I'd have to think about that. For $1,000,000....I'd be definitely weighing the risk of and duration of time I would have to spend in jail if caught. Unless the information I was bribed to provide was likely to kill people, I'm thinking I'm probably pocketing the Million.

      Maybe this makes me sound like a bad person but in reality I'm being pragmatic and pretty honest. I'm not too sure there are many people who wouldn't accept a Million Dollar bribe no matter how many claim they would.

  16. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    YOU LIE!!!11 Obama was obviously pallin' around with this person for years and had a deep and meaningful relationship with her! But I gotta go--Glenn Beck is on.

  17. Proof Positive that Social Engineering Is Easier by Syncerus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article is an ideal example of a social engineering crack. Consider the comparative difficulty of a technical cracking job and compare it to the simplicity and cheapness of what actually took place. The solution was actually quite elegant in a sordid way.

    I once worked for a company that was experiencing a surge of highly organized fraud originating from Romania. Before I left, we were preparing to develop a major anti-fraud application, etc., at great expense. At one meeting I suggested that we just hire a few Romanian private detectives to knock on some doors and quietly suggest to the lowlifes that it would be healthier to leave us alone; the other people in the meeting looked at me as though I were green.

    LOL.

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  18. How can so much have been going on by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    that he didn't even begin to get hints? Was he that detached from the rest of the office to not notice things, let alone review processes and such in place. I figure that if I were there that where the money went would have been an important consideration.

    I don't find it a slander to include him in the article, it raises the question of, what did he know or why didn't he show more attention to what was going on around him. His position certainly warranted it.

    Then again, its DC. The real reason he gets his name in the mud is many other high profile appointees were dirty but kept.

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  19. Social Engineering by DrWho520 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No manner of technology can defeat good, social engineering. An intelligent attack is made upon the weakest link in the system. In this case, an unscrupulous user with privileges.

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  20. Re:Proof Positive that Social Engineering Is Easie by RawsonDR · · Score: 1

    While I appreciate the simplicity and potential effectiveness of your solution, I can't say I blame the suits for not jumping aboard. They wanted a solution rather than a band-aid.

    They have to think about what the cost will be the next time the same loophole is used, by different people (maybe more anonymous ones).

  21. Which is better? Govt or Private handling? by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is what happens when a fed gets caught doing something that seriously compromises security. They get fired, prosecuted, and punished. We can argue about the degree of punishment later.

    What happens in private industry? I'm sure people get fired but do they get publicly prosecuted? Or is there a huge motivation to cover up the story so that stock prices/reputation/business in general doesn't take a hit?

    Say what you will about government corruption and incompetence but I firmly believe that U.S. federal employees who exhibit this level of stupidity and/or corruption are distinctly more likely to be punished appropriately than are the employees of non-government business entities.

    It's a mistake to think that the government is always wrong, always incompetent, and always crooked. It happens too often but such is not the default state of the government. I like seeing cases like this that show the government will catch and prosecute wrong-doers from among its own ranks.

    1. Re:Which is better? Govt or Private handling? by anarkhos · · Score: 1

      Yea, right. As witness to countless abuses by cops who only get suspended, I'll have to call complete bullshit to your theory (and that's what it is, just a theory).

      If we all lived in la-la land where government was impartial and politics wasn't ruled by special interests and rivers flowed with milk and honey....

      Government employees have waaaay more clout within the government system than employees do within a private firm (unless they're related to the owner, in which case he'll go broke employing his bum relatives).

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    2. Re:Which is better? Govt or Private handling? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No often they aren't fired. To embarrassing and they will take a stock hit. I've seen worse things happen i the private sector.

      "Say what you will about government corruption and incompetence but I firmly believe that U.S. federal employees who exhibit this level of stupidity and/or corruption are distinctly more likely to be punished appropriately than are the employees of non-government business entities."

      The facts back you up on that.

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    3. Re:Which is better? Govt or Private handling? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Government empoyees are held to a higher standard.
      Do you think private gaurds that abuse people even get suspended?

      "As witness to countless abuses by cops who only get suspended, "
      I have my doubts.

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  22. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rest of democracy is safe.

    Unless otherwise proven, all other Government departments are free of all fraud.

  23. No OTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? No OTP like SecurID? All the online brokerages offers it for free.

  24. Re:Proof Positive that Social Engineering Is Easie by Zerth · · Score: 1

    Having dealt with a similar problem, odds are the detectives would start encouraging others to scam you so they could get paid to "talk" with them later.

  25. How do they go to jail for that by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1
    In my city you need to steal 50K plus to even get noticed by a grand jury. NOT KIDDING.

    I had an employee take a payment from a customer of $1000 in cash, hand write the customer a signed receipt (from the receipt book, leaving the copy in there) and then report electronically in her end of report she only received $6 in cash all day and in her safe drop (a true drop safe) she and wrote the date, the cash amount of $6 in a sealed and again signed envelope. She then walked out and locked the door behind her and did not come back to work the next day. It was a fluke she was working by herself, but for $1000?

    She was arrested, she called from jail and asked that if she gave us the money back would we drop the charges. With all of this the DA "declined to prosecute based on lack of evidence" Come to Anchorage, do crime!

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    1. Re:How do they go to jail for that by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's racist to put people in a situation where they could be allowed to steal. The fault was yours for making sure the employee wasn't properly supervised at all times.

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    2. Re:How do they go to jail for that by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I lol'd

    3. Re:How do they go to jail for that by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1
      "Racist" Definition: racially discriminatory.

      Either your stupid or a thief and justify it as it always someone else's fault for you stealing items not "properly supervised at all times". Clearly you are an employee and will never be in charge. Other then that I don't know what your problem is or how you got modded up but, fuck you.

      I am white, my wife is blackfoot and my manager is half white/half black, I hire an equal mix of black, white, Native Alaskan or anyone of any color that does a good job. This girl that stole was white. Fact. Race plays no part in my life till some asshole brings it up, today, that asshole was you.

      Is my message coming across clear?

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    4. Re:How do they go to jail for that by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      Jonathan Hedley with crap blogs.

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  26. Re:Proof Positive that Social Engineering Is Easie by a1ok · · Score: 1

    However, the GP's suggestion could easily have been used as a good band-aid while their expensive 'solution' was being developed ...

  27. That is STILL nothing by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every hear of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld? They got elected, killed many useful projects for our nation, and then awarded LARGE contracts to their friends (sight unseen). In addition, when ppl spoke up about, they were QUICKLY shut down. Bunny Greenhouse comes to mind. So many others who have spoken about the corruption and all were swept under the rug. Of course, we did catch a criminal who got a blow job, but that is a different issue all together.

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    1. Re:That is STILL nothing by regular_gonzalez · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget about Bill and Hillary, who have their own legacy of corruption they left behind.

      In other words, all national level politicians are bought and owned, else they wouldn't be able to make it on a nation-wide stage.

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    2. Re:That is STILL nothing by jmerlin · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of Barack H. Obama? Yeah, this dude is paying out his buddies over in ACORN while claiming ignorance about anything negative they do, then turning around and making all of his buddies czars and giving them unchecked power, while at the same time spending trillions of tax dollars to bail out massive corporations that are doomed to fail due to corruption in the first place. To top it all off, he wants to force people to pay for health insurance! And let's not forget the cash for clunkers PROMOTIONAL deal he just ran for his brand new car company.

      Boy what a shining example of change, I say.

    3. Re:That is STILL nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ppl" is not a word, dumbfuck. Kindly learn to type before posting.

  28. Re:Proof Positive that Social Engineering Is Easie by Vellmont · · Score: 1

    So your serious solution was to hire someone you don't know to lean on someone else you don't know in a country thousands of miles away that's well known for being extremely corrupt? No wonder they looked at you like you were green. What makes you think your hired goons are on your side, or wouldn't sell you out the first chance it made sense?

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  29. Re:Well, there's a shocker..... by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Maybe you might want to read and comprehend what happened here before kaming such a stupid and ignorant post?

    Really? some underling getting caught doine something wrong make you more ashamed of America then torture? Lying? the Patriot Act? DMCA?

    Seriously?

    You do know it wasn't the person who was appointed, don't you?

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  30. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what affirmative action is (I presume) so your joke makes absolutely no sense in any context.

    Which means it's just a pathetic attempt at knocking Bush. Sigh.

    Really?

    God damn, move on with your life guy, stop being so butthurt.

    It really is very sad.

  31. different play, same player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure Vivek Kundra have sorted out all the shortcomings with respect to the hiring practices for new minions in his current position as Federal CIO.
    I'm positive in fact.

  32. Please re-read by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    Yea, right. As witness to countless abuses by cops who only get suspended, I'll have to call complete bullshit to your theory (and that's what it is, just a theory).

    Please re-read. I said "federal" several times. My statements concerned the federal government, only.

    Local cops are a whole 'nother story. In that matter, I tend to agree with you.

  33. I am intrigued by your ideas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  34. Jelly Beans by darkvizier · · Score: 1

    You did what, for who, for how many green jelly beans?!!