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Making Safer Lithium-Ion Batteries

itwbennett writes "Exploding iPhones may be a thing of the past. Researchers at Taiwan's Industrial Technology Research Institute have developed a new polymer, STOBA (that's self-terminated oligomers with hyper-branched architecture to you and me), that is added to the cathode material inside a lithium-ion battery to keep them from overheating. 'Fires or explosions in these batteries are caused by short circuits,' said Wu Hung-chun, a researcher at ITRI, explaining that even minor mishandling such as dropping the handset could result in damage causing a short circuit. 'The technology is ready for lithium-ion batteries used in electronic devices, mobile phones, laptops,' said Wu. And ITRI has started testing STOBA on electric car batteries."

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  1. Half the fun is in the danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A few years ago, you could crack open the older Lithium batteries and extract a ribbon of pure Lithium, which of course was fun to douse in water and other stuff to make explosions and other shenanigans. I don't necessarily want safe.
    I also want the old liquid mercury thermostats and thermometers... mercury is fun to play with as long as you don't eat it.

    1. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by thomasdz · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the wikipedia article on "Lithium": . Lithium batteries are not to be confused with lithium-ion batteries, which are high energy-density rechargeable batteries.
      So I'm thinking it was the old non-Lithium-ion batteries that you could get ribbons of Lithium metal from. TFA is discussion the -ion variant battery.

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    2. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by russlar · · Score: 3, Funny

      dude... you're harshing my buzz... and I've already got my laptop's battery in pieces....

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    3. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it is lithium not lithium ion. Meth cooks use it to replace the sodium in the Birch reduction process AKA Nazi Method. It is far easier to get the lithium from a battery than it is to get pure sodium.

    4. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can buy pure lithium from chemical supply shops. Most people buy batteries to use as batteries. And you can experiment with potentially dangerous compounds and still be safe about it. The danger isn't the fun part. If danger is what you're after then go play Russian Roulette or go streaking across a busy freeway. Having your electronics ruined by a defective battery is neither fun nor entertaining. And the normal risk of it happening is too low to be exciting even if you are looking for danger.

      Also, elemental mercury ingested (or injected intravenously) is normally not that dangerous except in cases of chronic exposure, as only 0.01% is actually absorbed by your gastrointestinal tract. It's inhalation of mercury vapors that is dangerous as even small quantities inhaled can cause acute toxicity. But even without experiencing acute mercury poisoning, its cumulative nature can still cause subtle negative health effects (such as higher chances of having children with birth defects in the case of women).

    5. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by russotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is far easier to get the lithium from a battery than it is to get pure sodium.

      Eh, rob a high school. I've never heard of a high school chemistry teacher without a good sized chunk of sodium in a jar in the classroom somewhere.

    6. Re:Half the fun is in the danger by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah but most meth cooks are also high school chemistry teachers. You do your cooking on the side and keep your reagents at work with the kids.

  2. Aww, no more fall down go boom? by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "drop phone watch it overheat" is the latter-day version of the halt and catch fire "instruction" of days gone by.

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  3. Re:Been there done that by SomeJoel · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Horse and buggies may now be a thing of the past due to the new honda civic comeing out this year"

    You got that right! I'm finally ready to trade in ol' Bessie.

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  4. Battery-related paranoia by agorist_apostle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We looked at using these kinds of batteries for an engineering applicant for a client, so one of our engineers got a sample package of different sizes and shapes of batteries along with a handy CD of what you could and could not do with them. Unfortunately, the application involved possibly putting a battery on the end of an armature to power a light, something the disc explicitly warned against NOT doing -- it came with a nice set of exploding battery clips. Our client saw those and promptly refused to carry a cell phone in any piece of clothing attached to his body from there on it. I think his laptop no longer ever rested on his lap, either...

  5. Step 1 by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Step 1: Stop manufacturing them in China

    Nearly all Li-Ion battery failures (going out with a boom, pop, or fizzle) are a result of inferior materials being substituted in the manufacturing process.

    Li-Ion battery cells (the individual cells containing your delicious electrons - millions in a single manufactured cell, several of those in a single packaged battery) are expected to pop.

    Over-charge them? Pop.
    Drain them too fast? Pop.
    Result? Slightly diminished capacity.
    Over time, the capacity gets lower and lower.

    The trick is they're isolated, and you don't get enough of them popping at once to cause a noticeable failure (flame, explosion, etc.).

    But when you have shitty charging circuitry, shitty components measuring and regulating the current and voltage, and shitty material (like fucking paper) inside the thing, yeah, shit's gonna go up in flames.

    Ni-MH is the superior fucking choice. But the self-discharge rate is too high for the plebes to accept. They've got ones that sacrifice capacity for a lower self-discharge rate (such as Sanyo's Eneloop design), but Li-Ion is firmly entrenched, unfortunately.

    1. Re:Step 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      it's not just discharge rate. it's pure energy density.

      ni-hm just can't store as much energy compared to lithium ion for the same size. The new hybrid Ni-HM probably has a far lower discharge then lithium-ion but that still doesn't solve the problem of lack of energy capacity. People want things to run long on a single charge (like laptops lasting 2 hours vs laptops lasting 4 hours). Most low drain devices where battery energy discharge would matter generally aren't on the radar for most people since charging within a few weeks span is simple compared to charging every few hours which is annoying and impractical.

    2. Re:Step 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But when you have shitty charging circuitry, shitty components measuring and regulating the current and voltage, and shitty material (like fucking paper) inside the thing, yeah, shit's gonna go up in flames.

      Go talk to any real life RC community or online forum and you'll hear stories of li-ion and lipo failures from people who use quality chargers and cells. I know more than a few guys who store/charge/transport their lithium batteries in a box full of sand, just in case.

    3. Re:Step 1 by russotto · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ni-MH is the superior fucking choice. But the self-discharge rate is too high for the plebes to accept. They've got ones that sacrifice capacity for a lower self-discharge rate (such as Sanyo's Eneloop design), but Li-Ion is firmly entrenched, unfortunately.

      Yeah, NiMH is way superior to lithium ion. Well, except the memory effect, self discharge rate (near 0 for lithium ion, high for NiMH), the energy density (higher for ordinary LiIon, much higher for LiPo), charging efficiency (~70% for NiMH, ~95% for LiIon), and power density. Except for all that, NiMH is way better than LiIon.

    4. Re:Step 1 by Seakip18 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, you're thinking of NiCad, which does suffer from memory effect and actually has a lower ampHr/kg ratio.

      NiMH have no memory effect and can now come in a low-discharge (15% a YEAR) variant. They're pretty nice actually since they are several times cheaper than the equivalent li-ion. The Li-Ion/Li-Poly's come in handy since their ampHr/kg is much higher and therefore can fit in tiny spots when scaled against the larger Ni-MH. Nasty stuff to not charge a liion though.

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    5. Re:Step 1 by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But if they weren't made in China, they would cost twice as much. That is a non-starter.

      That's not true. There are countries that have the Rule of Law and are not much more expensive than China. Taiwan or Malaysia being my favorites.

      Plus a lot of electronics is not labor intensive if you do it right. Most of the labor intensiveness comes from people that make stuff badly so that the failure rate is high and then employ huge numbers of people to screen out the failures. Still if you get it right and source the components from people you can sue or at least not pay if they send you bad components this won't be necessary.

      In fact I've met people who manufactured PCI cards in Australia. Basically once you've got it right you end up with a machine about the size of a photocopier that you feed in boards and components and it will apply solder paste, pick and place the components and then heat the board up. He reckoned said he had one in his office and it would occasionally beep when he needed to reload supplies. This is what the factory in China did. He'd designed the ASIC and bought the boards in. Since his design was stable and the components were sourced from reputable suppliers that cared about their brands, he wasn't screening.

      In the China case it seems cheap at the start. But the workers are basically serfs who don't care about quality. The suppliers don't have brands so if they can sell you fake components they will. Even if they don't the quality levels will be terrible. So you end up with things coming off the assembly line with a very high failure rate. Then you employ a load of people to screen out the failures. Go to any Chinese factory and you'll see a few people running a production line and many, many more sorting. Basically they're sorting to find the minority of machines that don't have fatal defects. In a sane world the bugs would get fixed and the sorting would not be necessary. Still China isn't really set up for this - the factory provides a load of unskilled, underpaid labor to screen and the suppliers will get leaned on to provide more.

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    6. Re:Step 1 by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Built-in obsolesence is being replaced by built-in short life.

      Is that the "short life" of the battery, or the "short life" of the person who had the battery explode in their pocket?

    7. Re:Step 1 by mhajicek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Try LiFe-Po batteries. Same energy density as Li-ion, but they survive an order of magnitude more charge cycles.

    8. Re:Step 1 by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have confused Ni-MH and Ni-Cad.

    9. Re:Step 1 by LionMage · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know there are plenty of sites that claim that NiMH doesn't have a memory effect, but some manufacturers apparently claim otherwise in their data sheets. I found this discussion initiated by a man who was testing some Sanyo NiMH batteries; the Sanyo data sheet definitely did claim they had a memory effect, and his tests confirmed this. The effect is small but apparently measurable, and apparently also easy to undo with a normal discharge cycle.

  6. so this is how it works... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently the polymer (as far as I can tell) undergoes a cross-linking reaction that acts to slow the movement of Lithium ions following puncture of the battery thus keeping the reaction relatively under control.

    http://www.itri.org.tw/eng/Research/Focus-Area/focus-sub-area-category.asp?RootNodeId=0301&NodeId=03013&FieldCD=03200

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  7. Not about energy density by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll post this preemptively since usually when battery fires are discussed some people insist this is unavoidable if you want a high energy density, but this is not true. Whether batteries can fail catastrophically or not is mainly down to two things:

    a)Whether the energy released when a cell fails is sufficient to cause nearby fails to fail, thereby causing a cascade of failed cells.

    b)Whether the materials the battery is made of can react violently with materials it is likely to come into contact with when it does fail.

    For traditional Lithium ion batteries the answer to both these questions is yes. The temperature necessary to cause a cell to fail is easily within the range of what is generated when a nearby cell fails. Furthermore the lithium batteries and their electrolyte burn quite well upon contact with air, adding even more energy to the reaction.

    There's however no principal reason why this has to be the case. As an example if the heat capacity and conductivity of the battery is good enough it is possible to design batteries so that the failure of one cell won't heat nearby cells enough to cause them to fail. Different chemistries also have different activation energies, as an example lithium iron phosphate batteries are much safer for this reason. It is also quite plausible that one might be able to create a battery from a chemistry that doesn't react violently with oxygen.

    Many batteries that use a water-based electrolytes qualify for both these criteria. Water has a high heat capacity and doesn't burn in oxygen. Unfortunately such batteries have other drawbacks. In particular while water itself won't burn it is susceptible to electrolysis at typical battery voltages, producing flammable hydrogen.

    1. Re:Not about energy density by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll post this preemptively since usually when battery fires are discussed some people insist this is unavoidable if you want a high energy density

      Too late. You posted emptively.

  8. Nothing to do with iPhones by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ugh, exploding iPhones again... And yet another misunderstanding about what's going on.

    iPhones do not use lithium ion batteries. They use lithium polymer batteries.

    1. Re:Nothing to do with iPhones by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Preach it, bro'. They don't explode because they're full of shitty batteries, they explode because they're full of extreme awesomeness.

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    2. Re:Nothing to do with iPhones by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...they're full of extreme awesomeness.

      And when that comes into contact with the anti-particle of awesomeness, the average iPhone user, they annihilate each other, releasing enormous amounts of energy.

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    3. Re:Nothing to do with iPhones by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Funny
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    4. Re:Nothing to do with iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You realize that a lithium polymer battery is a lithium-ion polymer battery? If it were a true lithium polymer battery, you'd have to buy a new iPhone every time the battery ran down. Wait, crap, don't tell Steve Jobs!

  9. Already make safer lithium/ion by Hollovoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    The additive is usually in the separator that keeps the lithium and cathode apart (which you want to do). When the battery overheats the separator breaks down and disables the battery, this has been used where I work for over 20+ years, and is in no way new tech. Putting the same thing in the cathode is like putting a guard rail on the very edge of a cliff instead of 15-20 ft from a cliff, it may stop small shorts that slowly develop in the battery, but a major short, or hole in the separator will melt down and become quite dangerous before the cathode is even involved. Plus, how hot before this effect happens? Cathode is heat treated at over 650F, I sure hope it doesnt take that much to trigger this new substance.

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  10. Why haven't we moved to lifepo4 yet? by razathorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the rc car world, the two major types of batteries in use are lipo (lithium polymer) and nimh. Nimh has less energy density, self discharge, and requires some rest after discharge still to retain full capacity when charged. I run nimh due to reasons I won't go into, but I have my eye on lifepo4, or lithium iron phosphate. They are not only more robust than traditional li cells, they go off in much the same fashion as the batteries mentioned in the article. The disadvantage to them, and why they aren't 'the thing' in rc cars is that they have a voltage disadvantage. Given the strict regulation of motors in spec class racing, a voltage disadvantage is a huge issue. In other applications, where you could pick whatever voltage and number of cells to use, these batteries are awesome. In rc, their voltage makes you pick arranging them in series at a voltage level that is a disadvantage or adding another cell and making yourself have a huge advantage -- ie, their acceptance isn't based on technical merit but existing standards in racing.

  11. Re:Hot or Not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No worries. These new, Safer Li-ion batteries will implode instead.

  12. Re:Everybody Have Fun Tonight... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Informative

    He's not a Chink, he's Taiwanese. What you're doing is like calling an American a limey.

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