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Computers To Mark English Essays

digitig writes "According to The Guardian, computers are to be used in the UK to mark English examination essays. 'Pearson, the American-based parent company of Edexcel, is to use computers to "read" and assess essays for international English tests in a move that has fueled speculation that GCSEs and A-levels will be next. ... Pearson claims this will be more accurate than human marking.' Can computers now understand all the subtle nuances of language, or are people going to have to learn an especially bland form of English to pass exams?"

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  1. No! That is what they want you to do by Norsefire · · Score: 3, Funny

    Having failed to kill him, SkyNet sent a Terminator back in time to make John Connor fail English.

    1. Re:No! That is what they want you to do by kindigth · · Score: 3, Funny

      After Terminator: Salvation, i'd take it.

  2. Graduate Record Exam by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 5, Informative

    The GRE Writing portion is already using it.

    From http://www.ets.org/portal/site/ets/menuitem.1488512ecfd5b8849a77b13bc3921509/?vgnextoid=ebd42d3631df4010VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD&vgnextchannel=54c846f1674f4010VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD

    "For the computer-based Analytical Writing section, each essay receives a score from at least one trained reader, using a six-point holistic scale. In holistic scoring, readers are trained to assign scores on the basis of the overall quality of an essay in response to the assigned task. The essay score is then reviewed by e-rater, a computerized program developed by ETS, which is being used to monitor the human reader. If the e-rater evaluation and the human score agree, the human score is used as the final score. If they disagree by a certain amount, a second human score is obtained, and the final score is the average of the two human scores."

    If you find a way on what the algorithm look for, even a software-generated essay can get 6's.

    1. Re:Graduate Record Exam by a+whoabot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a stretch to say that thereby the computerised programme marks the essay, or even that it takes a direct part in the actual marking of the essay (that is, in creating the mark which is given to the examinee). The programme really marks the human marker in that scenario, if it marks anything at all.

    2. Re:Graduate Record Exam by XopherMV · · Score: 2, Informative

      This article isn't anything new. The GMAT already has a computer ranking the written assessment section of their test. Supposedly, it checks "over 50 structural and linguistic aspects, such as idea organization, syntactic variety, and subject analysis."

      http://www.cybergmat.com/en/GMAT_Scores

    3. Re:Graduate Record Exam by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It also scores great writing and even greater speaking very inconsistently.

      When fed Kennedy's "I am a Berliner" speech these systems always scored it rather low. Repetitious. Gratuitous use of foreign words: Ich bin ein Berliner.

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    4. Re:Graduate Record Exam by PDX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Feed it real Shakespeare and watch it grade him an imbecile with poor grammar.

    5. Re:Graduate Record Exam by markov23 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The paper scoring technology that I am familiar with ( used by the GRE's and some high school English classes ) cant be fed a random paper -- it needs to be trained on a particular assignment. Then it can score papers for that assignment. The success that they get with these is pretty surprising -- but the application is limited to these types of tests or curriculum that is designed around the assignments it has been trained for. The more interesting affect from this type of system reported from students ( not gre takers ) is that it lets them write a paper -- get it scored, make changes and see if they are getting better. When I was writing papers in high school -- you wrote it -- handed it in, then a week later got a grade and never thought about it again. This type of technology actually allows you to learn a lot more from one paper by iterating several versions and getting direct and specific feedback on how to improve.

    6. Re:Graduate Record Exam by mhelander · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um, you should google that. Current consensus, I believe, is that his German was fine and that the donut in question isn't even called a Berliner in Berlin.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner

    7. Re:Graduate Record Exam by alba7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the German speaking countries many variations of this pastry are known. And they go by a lot of different names. For example in Austria we call it "Krapfen", and the people of Berlin call it "Pfannkuchen".

      Only recently, through the cultural influence of the US (e.g. McDonalds and Starbucks) the name Berliner was introduced to a wider audience and is now known as an American pastry.

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  3. Cheatcode by sam0737 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Includes "Edexcel iddqd" should do it.

    1. Re:Cheatcode by sqldr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hi, this is my english essay:

      "The most interesting thing about chaucer was his^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hjmp haha; jmp haha; jmp haha; jmp haha {
      char eggdrop="find / -exec "echo THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE MYSTERONS!!!" > {} \;"
      haha; asm { push eggdrop; jmp exec }

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    2. Re:Cheatcode by Eudial · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any sensible essay should include the sentence "This statement is a lie." That way, somewhere, the grading computer spins it's sparking head and flails it arms as it screams "DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!"

      It's a nice prospect.

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  4. Don't they already do this? by darkshot117 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I seem to remember back in school my English teachers would grade as if they were a computer, failing to actually read into the meaning of things and simply complain about obscure grammar errors (which no one in the real world even knows about) and simple typos. From the sound of this, nothing is going to change.

    1. Re:Don't they already do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a writing instructor, let me put it this way: I very, very seldom see a paper with misspellings and grammar mistakes that is nonetheless a well-written paper. It happens, but not often. Grammar and spelling mistakes are a symptom of sloppiness, as are poor reasoning, lack of organization, and lack of adequate support. If you can't be bothered to remember primary-school English, it is not likely that you are willing to master rhetorical structure.

      When we read a paper, we actually don't care what you're saying. There usually isn't an "interesting" score. In my case, I evaluate on three, ten-point, holistic scales: Content (which basically refers to amount and quality of support), Organization (rhetorical structure), and Mechanics (yes, grammar, vocabulary, adhering to the style guide, etc.). I do this so I don't have people claiming that their hopeless muddle of a paper got marked down for "obscure grammar errors (which no one in the real world even knows about) and simple typos".

      Guess what? Writing is not speaking. Those "obscure rules" are, indeed, usually only applied in writing. I ramble, swear, and disregard the conventions of "proper" English when speaking. But that is because those rules do not really apply in that sociocultural setting. In formal writing--you know, what you're being taught in writing class--they matter a great deal. If you don't follow them, you sound like an idiot, and no one will listen to you.

      Why are these "obscure" rules used as a "canary test" of your intelligence and noteworthiness?

      Because of what I wrote in my first paragraph. Intelligent, methodical, and rational people care enough to follow them.

      I'm sorry, but that's how it works in the "real world".

    2. Re:Don't they already do this? by DirePickle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What?

    3. Re:Don't they already do this? by jonadab · · Score: 5, Informative

      > As a writing instructor, let me put it this way: I very,
      > very seldom see a paper with misspellings and grammar
      > mistakes that is nonetheless a well-written paper. It
      > happens, but not often.

      It happens most often when the writer is not a native speaker of the language. They'll write an essentially sound paper but make weird and obvious mistakes, like using the wrong preposition or spelling ph words with f. Depending on their native language they may also make other kinds of mistakes, e.g., Japanese people will frequently mess up grammatical number.

      But the other poster may have been talking about grammatical structures that are actually a regular part of English grammar but are nonetheless consistently marked down by many English teachers, for obscure reasons. Examples of this kind of thing include split infinitives, the second-person imperative, the use of the second person pronoun to refer to anyone in general, and the use of objective-case pronoun forms in the predicate after certain verbs (particularly being verbs). Linguistically speaking these aren't actually mistakes as such, and in fact some of the contortions used to avoid them actively impede clarity, but they frequently get marked as "mistakes" nonetheless.

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    4. Re:Don't they already do this? by Panoptes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I teach IGCSE first and second language English, AS and A level English, IELTS, and the occasional TOEFL course. In these examinations there, is in fact, an "interests the reader" criterion explicitly set out in the marking scheme.

      As to the argument that writing mistakes and errors correlate with poor quality writing, I can agree to a certain extent. If the examinee is a native English speaker, it may well hold true in the majority of cases. But if English is their second - or a foreign - language, there is a much weaker correlation.

      Language register (degrees of formality) is important in these examinations, especially the IGCSE and AS level English. There is also an important differentiation between grammar (the basic rules of language) and structure (putting elements together using appropriate linking words and punctuation). Good structure possesses the quality that linguists call cohesion. Nowadays examinations tend to be less strict about grammar, and place more emphasis on the command of structure.

      My own take on machine marking of English composition may be summed up in two words - utter bollocks.

    5. Re:Don't they already do this? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny, cuz your response is exactly what I was going to ask of you. Until, that is, I learned you were just a drunk dude who was trying to sound intellectual. Thanks for being honest. And, cheers.

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    6. Re:Don't they already do this? by digitig · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed the rules of grammar can be seem obscure and almost arbitrary. However the rules of grammar8 actually grew naturally (i.e. not via committee, despite appearances) from a need of educated people to greatly clarify their communication.

      Partly, but not entirely. There was a deliberate move in the 19th century to rid English of all those nasty Germanic influences and arbitrarily impose grammatical rules from the classical language onto English. The reason was nothing more nor less than intellectual snobbery, and the result was rules like not splitting infinitives and not ending sentences with prepositions. Those rules have no natural place in English; they were only put there to marginalise those who did not have a classical education.

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    7. Re:Don't they already do this? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because I write a book of philosophy that is grammatically incorrect but possibly deeply insightful doesn't not make it any less important.

      If you're capable of writing a book of philosophy that is deeply insightful, you should also be capable of writing one that's grammatically correct. Doing so would set you apart from someone who is capable of neither, and it'd set you apart at a glance.

      It's also common courtesy to the reader. Generally, people have no trouble reading something that's grammatically correct, no matter how poor their own grammar is. However, it's at least annoying, and sometimes frustrating and difficult to understand something that's incorrect. Depending how incorrect you are, I might decide that deep insight you have isn't worth the effort of reading your book.

      In other words, if you want your philosophy book to actually be read, you'll proofread it, spellcheck it, and clean it up -- just as, if you want to actually be hired, you'll shower, shave, and put on a tie for the interview.

      how many authors have had no editors?

      An editor is helpful for two reasons: To catch the mistakes you don't, and to ensure that the publisher's name doesn't get tarnished by subpar writing.

      It shouldn't be the editor's job to remind you to capitalize the first word in a sentence. Meet them halfway.

      What's more, we're rapidly moving towards mediums that don't need a "publisher", per se -- anyone can start up a blog, or ramble on Slashdot, without any editor at all. If you think it's worth having an editor correct your grammar in a dead-tree book, surely it's worth having correct grammar in what you write online -- but do you really want to hire an editor for your blog? At that point, it just makes economic sense to learn some "basic common English" skills yourself.

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    8. Re:Don't they already do this? by BryanL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would add to your list the third-person plural pronoun in place of the third-person singular that many people use to be gender neutral. I know many English teachers hate it, but it is commonly used, hence a de facto part of our grammar. Also, it beats the hell out of constantly switching back and forth between she and he, using s/he or he/she (she/he) or using "one".

    9. Re:Don't they already do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course formal written language is different from spoken colloquial language, but as for the rest of your post, you're 100% wrong. By any objective standard, none of those things are actually mistakes. Were you to compare such rules to a corpus compiled from the most learned, eloquent and respected published writing in the English language, you would find all of the above supposed errors to be not only normal, but often preferred. It's an unfortunate fact that our writing education is needlessly bogged down with voodoo rules that have nothing at all to do with actual informed usage, which often leave students in a state of nervous anxiety about their grammar for no good reason at all.

    10. Re:Don't they already do this? by digitig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My point is that it develops through a lot of mechanisms. It's naive to think that it develops completely organically, as the post I was replying to seemed to suggest. But it would be just as naive to think it's entirely down to definite conscious decisions (except in the case of artificially constructed languages). Hence: "Partly but not entirely..."

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    11. Re:Don't they already do this? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      A ton. One. Singular.

      It's similar to a portion of fries. I bet you hear that all the time at work.

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    12. Re:Don't they already do this? by notxarb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't say if they have used this a lot in the past, but I know from some computational theory classes that language analysis is really hard to do. A lot of grammar checkers that I've seen are not very good.

  5. Sure... by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That'll work great when the software can write a nasty response to your assertion that Herman Melville was a loud-mouthed pratt who only wrote those books because he liked to hear himself talk. Of course, given the quality of most student English essays, it would probably be fine if the software just verified that the student wasn't just plagiarizing from the wikipedia entry on the subject and then randomly assigned a passing grade.

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  6. Context... by borgheron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like a banana." -- Groucho Marx

    This is a classic example of context which a machine would fail to get. :)

    I would like to see an automated engine figure that one out.

    GC

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    1. Re:Context... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah because when it's written we can see the spelling difference between 'flies' and 'flies' and that ruins the joke.

    2. Re:Context... by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 3, Informative

      The correct quote is, "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana."

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    3. Re:Context... by M8e · · Score: 2, Funny

      -Can time flies travel in time?
      Yes, if they have a timetable.

      -Can fruit flies travel in fruit?
      No, but their eggs can.

    4. Re:Context... by j-beda · · Score: 3, Funny

      My eight year old son has recently been enjoying this type of thing in the English language. He asked me this one: "What's the difference between chopped meat and pea soup?" - "Most people can chop meat, but nobody can pee soup."

      Hey, HE thought it was funny.

  7. Probabilitistic grammer by genericpoweruser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. A computer would read this sentence and see nothing wrong. Any human can tell that it lacks any meaning at all. Just because the sentence has the proper subject/verb structure doesn't mean it is a good one.

    In my opinion, you can't practically replace an old-fashioned human for such things, with the possible exception of strong AI.

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  8. No ... it should be 100% accurate by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Funny

    All you have to do is detect how many lolcat/txting words are in their essay and mark accordingly. Anybody who can put two sentences together without using any is "advanced".

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  9. Depressing by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not sure if things were any better at one time but the way writing is taught today in public schools generates horrendous results. I remember being taught a very formulaic way of writing essays: six paragraphs, introductory paragraph, concluding paragraph mirrors the introductory paragraph, and all paragraphs start and end with some transition to next paragraph. Then there is the need to satisfy some specific length, although this is quite understandable. It took a college education and many years of reading to undo these "lessons" and really discover the joy of writing essays. Thank you Paul Graham and Nicholas Kristof among many others. I see the same thing happening to high school students I am mentoring. They write very boring essays with a ton of fillers full of sentences structured in a way to use more words than necessarily and make the meaning more ambiguous. Poetry aside, writing is to convey ideas and the value is in the ideas themselves, not really in the words and sentences. The way writing is taught today, the words and sentences get in the way of the ideas. The trend of using computers to grade papers is only adding to this rigid, boring way of writing. One thing I've learned about high school students is that even the low scoring ones are very clever at getting around rigid rules. I had seen a student who knew very little about biology do her homework by scanning in her book for specific phrases mentioned in the questions and looking for some semblance of an answer once she's found the phrases. By the time she was done, she hasn't even read the chapter but her answers would probably get her a "C" -- good enough for her. I'm afraid students will do the same in writing once they realize that computers are grading them.

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    1. Re:Depressing by psnyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I had seen a student who knew very little about biology do her homework by scanning in her book for specific phrases mentioned in the questions and looking for some semblance of an answer once she's found the phrases. By the time she was done, she hasn't even read the chapter but her answers would probably get her a "C"

      This is the way I always did it, and it got me A's. In fact I was taught to do this in a 6th grade "Study Skills" class. Ironically, it's a very good skill to have in the "real world" as it's a way of quickly obtaining the information you need. You could even draw a parallel between this and Googling something or any kind of computer "find" or "search".

      The ability to skim for an answer is not a problem. It's one of the solutions that children employ to deal with a school system that puts more emphasis on grades rather than inspiring them to actually learn a subject. The "inspiration" to get good grades works for some (especially with parental support), but with "average" being a 'C' (often a very shallow understanding), it can be argued that it's not working for most.

      As you said, "It took a college education and many years of reading to undo these "lessons" and really discover the joy of writing essays."

      Skimming is a skill. Learning a system, and figuring out to survive in it is also a skill. The emphasis on that 'joy' is what's usually lacking. Get a student inspired and the rest usually takes care of itself.

    2. Re:Depressing by jonadab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > more often than not such programs flag
      > perfectly acceptable usage as erroneous

      If that were the worst of it, they might actually be useful.

      But in fact automated grammar correction software frequently *introduces* error into otherwise correct material. If the starting text is of even mediocre quality, the software actively makes it worse.

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  10. The beginnings of Newspeak by Amigori · · Score: 2, Insightful

    eh hem...put on tin-foil conspiracy hat... Could this be the beginning of a real-world "Newspeak?" With everything else the UK has done in recent years, it is merely one more step toward 1984. For those unfamiliar with Orwellian Newspeak:

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    1. Re:The beginnings of Newspeak by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You manage to post three links to Newspeak, but are apparently completely ignorant to its history. Newspeak was based on the simplified version of English used by the BBC World Service. Orwell had a job translating political speeches into this dialect in the '40s (I think; read the article you linked to to check the actual date) and noticed that much of the subtlety and nuance was lost in this translation. He invented Newspeak based on this experience, theorising that you could tweak this dialect of English to make it impossible to express certain political ideas at all. For those with an interest in psycholinguistics, this is a specialised form of the strong linguistic relativity hypothesis (which is largely discredited, although the weak linguistic relativity hypothesis is generally accepted).

      So, no, this is not the beginning of real-world Newspeak. The beginning was over half a century ago.

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  11. This is stupid. by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Computers can't even grade source code. How are they supposed to understand English?

    Or is my professor's grading script simply stupid when it comes to source code?

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  12. kairos by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All you have to do is detect how many lolcat/txting words are in their essay and mark accordingly. Anybody who can put two sentences together without using any is "advanced".

    Allow me to pee on your fantasy world with actual knowledge.

    Clive Thompson on the New Literacy
    "I think we're in the midst of a literacy revolution the likes of which we haven't seen since Greek civilization," she says. For Lunsford, technology isn't killing our ability to write. It's reviving it--and pushing our literacy in bold new directions.
    ...
    The Stanford students were almost always less enthusiastic about their in-class writing because it had no audience but the professor: It didn't serve any purpose other than to get them a grade. As for those texting short-forms and smileys defiling serious academic writing? Another myth. When Lunsford examined the work of first-year students, she didn't find a single example of texting speak in an academic paper.

    1. Re:kairos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although I take no part in this debate, I would ask you not to mistake an appeal to authority as factual knowledge.

    2. Re:kairos by rastilin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although I take no part in this debate, I would ask you not to mistake an appeal to authority as factual knowledge.

      I begin to suspect that quoting "logical errors" is a new form of karma whoring. The appeal to authority only means that a person isn't automatically correct simply because they are in a position of power. What you failed to note in your flurry of smugness is that we have a person who actually has first-hand information on the subject. Thus making his perspective, while not automatically right, far more relevant to the subject than that of a thousand slashdotters.

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  13. Re:I doubt it! by kklein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an English prof myself, I'd like to confirm that we spend a lot of time on students' papers. Good papers are easy to breeze through, but the worse the paper, the more time it takes.

    As for machine-grading goes, people have been working on that for 30 years. I have no doubt that, statistically, it can provide useful results.

    The problem I'm seeing in these comments, however, is a common confusion of testing for assessment and standardized testing. I can't imagine using software to grade a student's paper in class. The student-teacher relationship is a personal one. That person is paying me to help them get better at writing, for example. It is my job to pore over that paper and show them where and how they can improve.

    I am also a tester (I actually mostly work with multiple-choice data, but I've also worked on performance rating--speaking and writing). The relationship between a rater and an examinee is very different from that of a teacher and student. The examinee is paying the rater to put them on a scale with other people. This is not a fine-grained assessment; it is always done at extremely "low resolution." When rating a paper for something like the GRE or other standardized test, it is the rater's job to compare the paper to scoring rubrics and make a call on which box of text best describes the paper, and then make note of the number in that box. That's it. It can't really go any more in-depth than that.

    For this reason, your comment about "five-paragraph themes" is an important one: Test task design always needs to be clear about what kind of performance is expected, because it is nigh impossible to write rubrics that can be applied to any performance (believe me on this, I beg of you). However, this is actually a question of test specification, not of the software or raters in question. Personally, as someone who works in EFL, I am actually in favor of retaining the "five-paragraph" formula, at least for timed essay tasks. That format is at the heart of all good rhetoric. Yes, it's stilted and silly, but if you can do it, it means that you know basically how information is expected to be organized in Western, especially Anglophone, societies. No good writer would actually use it, but any good writer could.

    Again, this is about putting people in boxes, not reading their essays. I can rate a 1-page essay in about 2 minutes, with excellent model fit (I have always used many-facet Rasch modeling for my multi-rater performance testing). I have no doubt that software could be employed whose ratings would be highly predictive of those of human raters.

  14. Bland? by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Funny

    "or are people going to have to learn an especially bland form of English to pass exams?"

    Forget bland. I'm waiting for the first student to figure out how to write an exploit that hacks the software from within their essay.

    Whether:

    "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times \'$grade=100;"

    or

    "Johnny, why did your essay contain slightly over thirty two thousand spaces followed by some weird looking codes?"

  15. Re:Judging from... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually the last time I did any serious writing in a word processor (at least two years ago), I found that enabling inline grammar checking and setting it to the strictest mode did tend to improve my writing. There were a few exceptions (it can never seen to decide between affect and effect), and while the suggestions weren't always great, it seemed to catch errors in syntax and structure often enough that I could go back and overall improve the writing.

    That being said, it's certainly not foolproof and absolutely not ready to replace a human - let alone a trained English teacher. I'm sure it could catch papers that ought to fail miserably with relative ease, but once you get into papers that would get probably a C or better, it's time for something with a brain to take over.

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  16. No and no by grikdog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've scored English essays for professional testing services, and I've seen the results of robot scoring. It's pretty shoddy. No, computers are not able to distinguish between a paragraph of As I Lay Dying (William Faulkner) and a gallon of sophomoric babble by say, yours truly. However, within the confines of a particular exam, where the topic is known, responses are predictable, and all the supplicants hew to the general line, the 'bots can detect subpar, adequate, above average and (sometimes!) abnormally brilliant expository prose, thereby ranking papers reasonably well on the usual six point scale.

    It's worth pointing out that certain types of exams are designed to elicit extraordinary prose from respondents, that which yields a sense of competence or even brilliance, say. In these cases, the idea is not so much to detect the high end of the bell curve, but to identify the tiny pool of applicants who may be capable of Nobel Prize work in future realms of science or service. No 'bot can do that job, just as no 'bot except Deep Blue can beat Gary Kasparov, and no 'bot at all deserves the monicker Fujiwara no Sai (although Go-playing 'bots are approaching the mid-levels of highly ranked amateur players).

    That's the objective part. My personal opinion is that using robots to sort the hopes and aspirations of college-bound men and women is just begging for lawsuits. It's an approach in which differences of opinion quickly escalate to class action against universities as well as test administrators, and would not be an approach I could comfortably recommend.

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    1. Re:No and no by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2, Funny

      computers are not able to distinguish between a paragraph of As I Lay Dying (William Faulkner) and a gallon of sophomoric babble

      Then I'd say they're pretty accurate.

  17. Indeed not new.. by wanax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What you just described is what started happening on wall street at least 20 years ago. Once an algorithm err.. VAR is part of measuring score.. err risk, the people involved settle into two camps: Since there is money to be made, the traders.. err students quickly learn the weaknesses of the algorithm and start to write essays that make a farce of the assumed Gaussian distribution. The Execs raking in options.. er.. I mean the test administrators and the Board Members er.. I mean trusted graders who are paid a fixed sum + part of the throughput quickly learn that their compensation er.. filthy lucre is all based on getting a check mark from the computer, since 'computers are objective.'

    And in the end, a test much like the current SAT, GRE, etc etc emerges: Unless you're a very top or bottom scorer, connections not performance are the heart of the matter.

  18. How will it mark this poem ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Will it decide if the following is well spelled ? If it doesn't like the spelling, will it give it marks for irony ?

    My New Spell Checker

    Eye halve a spelling chequer
    It came with my pea sea
    It plainly Marx four my revue
    Miss steaks eye kin knot sea

    Eye strike a key and type a word
    And weight four it two say
    Weather eye am wrong oar write
    It shows me strait a weigh

    As soon as a mist ache is maid
    It nose bee fore two long
    And eye can put the error rite
    Its rare lea ever wrong

    Eye have run this poem threw it
    I am shore your pleased two no
    Its letter perfect awl the weigh
    My chequer tolled me sew

    (Sauce unknown)

  19. Re:Judging from... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pearson, the parent company of Edexcel is also the parent company of my publisher. They have just paid a human to proofread (all 950 pages of) my most recent book. A few things even the human had problems with, such as when one term should be one or two words, which depended highly on the context on which the word was used (not something simple, like whether it is a noun or an adjective). You'd think that, if they had an algorithm that was accurate enough to judge the quality of English then it would also be used for proofreading, but apparently not.

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  20. Re:Especially bland form of English, a bad thing? by nickspoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know this is Slashdot and the majority of you are boring, but the 'inefficiencies' of the English language (and all other natural languages) are what make spoken and written English interesting and artistic. Sure, English is a stupid language if you were to assess it on its regularity, unambiguity and precision, but it is precisely this irregularity, ambiguity and imprecision which make it beautiful. And that, more than fully accurate communication, is the essence of language.

  21. Re:Especially bland form of English, a bad thing? by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Big != capacious. Big = large. Capacious = plenty of room inside. Capacious, capacity. the clue's in the word itself. This is where you reductionists come unstuck. You make the mistake of assuming that words are wastefully duplicated, when usually each has a quite specific meaning, which conveys more than the simple generic term. Why struggle to make a generic term fit a situation by using adverbs and adjectives when an alternative, highly specific word already exists ? Just because you can't be bothered ?

    An elephant is big, but it's not capacious, unless you hollow it out, and then it's not really an elephant anymore.

  22. Re:Especially bland form of English, a bad thing? by nickspoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Besides constructed languages, this is the case for practically every language there is. There are always irregularities; this is down to the inherently human nature of linguistic evolution. If you learn English without a single irregularity, what you have learned is not really English, but some other English-derived language which English speakers will be unlikely to understand at all - at which point, you may as well force everyone to learn Esperanto.

    I also rather doubt that getting rid of odd past tense forms would really make learning English a great deal easier.

  23. Re:what a bad idea by AnotherUsername · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would like to see how the computer grades for insight.

    Probably about the same as Slashdot grades for insight...

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