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Has the Glory Gone Out of Working In IT?

An anonymous reader writes to wonder if the glory has gone out of IT. One blogger remembered his first impression upon entering a profession in IT that made it seem like the place to be, with a new shiny around every corner. What experiences have others had? Has a more pervasive technical culture forced our IT gurus into obsolescence?

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  1. huh? by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Glory in IT? If that was the case I'd get more women I think. I think any glory you thought there use to be is simply delusions on your part. People don't work in IT for the glory. People rarely do anything for glory.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I accidentally the whole new shiny.

    2. Re:huh? by jimbolauski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can never remember a time when shit hits the fan and I'm able to keep down time to a minimum and getting glory, just gripes about down time. IT never has glory because nobody cares about IT until something goes wrong then it's the IT guys fault, and every second of down time is because of their incompetence.

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    3. Re:huh? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Was coming here to say pretty much the same thing. If we wanted glory, we'd have become firefighters or something. We like fixing problems, for the most part.

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    4. Re:huh? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to this article the only problem an IT guy should have getting laid is the fact that an 80 hour work week doesn't leave much time for anything but work.

      And, women don't go for "glorious" guys, they go for tall, rich, funny men. Usually they'll settle for one of the three.

    5. Re:huh? by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously -- I work in IT because it is stable work, it's something I can stand doing, and I make enough scratch to get all my bills paid and live fairly comfortably. I was never aware of there being anything even resembling 'glory' associated with IT.

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    6. Re:huh? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sweet, I KNEW spending all of my money on rubber chickens and platform shoes would be a wise investment!

    7. Re:huh? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're not rich anymore. FAIL!

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    8. Re:huh? by sleigher · · Score: 5, Funny

      No Way! When i pulled that bad drive from the 3140c, and replaced it with the replacement that had arrived this morning, the clouds overhead parted as the Valkyries sang and I rose to my rightful place, occupying the throne of Odin. As the gods before me gasped and awed at my most masterful replacement and saving of the data, 72 virgins were laid before me and I now rule in GLORY!!!!

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    9. Re:huh? by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. IT is not a glory field, it's the bastard child of customer service (in the eyes of those who don't understand it). Basically because everyone needs it, nobody understands it, and it's usually undervalued.

    10. Re:huh? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Informative
      "Was coming here to say pretty much the same thing. If we wanted glory, we'd have become firefighters or something. We like fixing problems, for the most part."

      Hell, I'm only here for the money!!

      That's the ONLY reason I'm at any job whatsoever, it is nothing more than a means to an end...the end being my being able to live the lifestyle I wish. The job does nothing more than enable to me to do as I please.

      If I won the lottery tomorrow, I'd not even bother coming back here to pack anything up.

      Work for glory? I can't even fathom the concept...

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    11. Re:huh? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ain't that the truth. When I first started work here, I thought it'd be really exciting, a way to be part of something big. But every day, it's just the same, "Where's my Death Ray command server?" this, "My patience grows thin!" that, "If I don't have my Death Ray command server up by midnight, I shall unleash my pretties upon you!", and on and on. Well, gee, Mr. Big Shot, perhaps if you didn't build the server room deep inside a freaking ACTIVE VOLCANO, perhaps we wouldn't have so many overheating issues.

      There's just no respect in this industry.

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    12. Re:huh? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Safe to say that if it took all his money to buy a pair of platform shoes and a handful of rubber chickens, he wasn't rich to begin with....

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    13. Re:huh? by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With IT, the brass has made them into dispensable scapegoats that slave away for meager salaries with the fear of being replaced in a heartbeat.

      And who is responsible for that?

      Think about it: who has convinced employers that IT people don't need to know anything about computing - they just push buttons.. any monkey could do that! You don't need someone who actually understands what the computer is doing, the three "R"s are all they need to know!

      "Brass" hears all this from some marketing idiot, sees that everything is just pushing buttons on a GUI, and decides that all their IT guys are overpaid who are deserve blame when something breaks.

      The problem is MS, for making non-IT people think that users should be the same thing as administrators.

    14. Re:huh? by PIBM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you'd find something you like doing, you could end up having fun at your job, and kill 2 birds with one stone, maybe ? At least, that's what the IT field is for me!

    15. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... 72 virgins were laid before me ...

      So you got promoted as head of IT with 72 of your fellow workers now reporting to you?

    16. Re:huh? by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you'd find something you like doing, you could end up having fun at your job...

      I tried that but "my" idea of "Condom Test Driver" and the Trojan corporation's version of "Condom Test Driver" didn't synch...now I repair computers

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    17. Re:huh? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "If you'd find something you like doing, you could end up having fun at your job, and kill 2 birds with one stone, maybe ? At least, that's what the IT field is for me!"

      Oh don't get me wrong, it isn't like this is a drudge or anything, I like tinkering around with computers and such, I do it some in my free time, but, if I were independently wealthy, no, I'd NEVER work again. I'd do what interests me, it would surely involve some computer geek activities,but, honestly, I found out a year or so ago when I had 7 months off between contracts. My day generally involved, getting up, walking the dog...hitting the gym for a couple hours, then getting on my motorcycle, and riding around New Orleans all day, exploring and finding fun things to do. At the end of the day, I'd meet somewhere with friends getting off work for a few beers, wash, rinse repeat.

      I would have no problem doing that for the rest of my life, while, of course, taking vacations off to travel somewhere caribbean to a beach on occasion.

      No, I learned there, that I could easily occupy myself with travelling, having fun in NOLA, doing things with friends and chasing women the rest of my days, and NEVER miss a day of work again if I were to get such an opportunity.

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    18. Re:huh? by sorak · · Score: 4, Funny

      No Way! When i pulled that bad drive from the 3140c, and replaced it with the replacement that had arrived this morning, the clouds overhead parted as the Valkyries sang and I rose to my rightful place, occupying the throne of Odin. As the gods before me gasped and awed at my most masterful replacement and saving of the data, 72 virgins were laid before me and I now rule in GLORY!!!!

      So, 72 of your coworkers were impressed by your l33t $k!llz. Stop showboating about it, already.

    19. Re:huh? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A watch? How quaint! Why would you need a watch when you have a cell phone?

      I can glance at a watch in a meeting without looking like a jerk. Also, I like watches.

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  2. The Glory went out of IT by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The day we traded the guru individualist programmer doing arcane tweaks inspired by the architecture of the machine, for the team in India writing on spec using no memory or speed optimization whatsoever.

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    1. Re:The Glory went out of IT by epiphani · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Simpler than that: when we allowed project managers to think they actually were qualified to manage projects.

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  3. Wait, what? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when was IT prestigious? It once used to be the hot new industry where people made lots of money, but it was never 'sexy'. Lucrative, not glorious. And now it's not even that, so much.

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  4. Carpenter vs. pre-fab by lbalbalba · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just like the proud, self-made carpenter, who used to do everything himself by hand, has to install pre-fab kitchen's in a day these days (and never mind how it's done, just make sure that it's installed in a single day), yes, the 'glory' has gone out of IT for *most* (if not *all*) people in IT these days. It might still be a *fun* job, because you get to 'play' with computers all day, but most of the glory has been lost to 'professionalism'.

  5. Glory? by Sir_Dill · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Has there ever been glory in IT?

    R&D and MIT media lab aside ( I wouldn't call that sort of thing IT even though there is some overlap)

    When I hear IT I think of my corporate support staff.

    As far as I am concerned there has never been any glory in that thankless job.

    I mean how glorious can a job be where the only recognition you'll get is when you screw something up?

    When you are good at your job in IT nobody notices you since the goal of most IT shops is to be transparent to the user....

  6. Glory? by kenh · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Glory of working in IT peaked with the release of the movie "Office Space."

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  7. new vs old by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was new, everything seemed new and shiny.

    Now that I'm old, everything seems old and dull.

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  8. It was fun until... by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was fun until...

    • HR started getting involved in hiring decisions.
    • they stopped promoting from within for lower-level management, and started hiring clueless outsiders who didn't know a bit from a byte.
    • Micro$oft started becoming dominant in the networking space.
    • you didn't need a damn rinkydink-electrician's license just to string network cable.
    • my idiot boss outlawed all use of Firefox for "security" reasons.
    • IT decisions, affecting those of us who have to make that crap actually WORK, are made on the golf course without ever asking the worker bees what they think.
    • Your additional pithy comments here....
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  9. It really has. by snarfies · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been hard-working member of an IT staff for a while now, and I do sometime feel as though all the glory has been sucked out of a "glory hole" of some sort.

    We really should have a staff meeting about it. Firm action is clearly needed.

  10. Re:Geekdom fini by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is somewhat true, though it seems to me that much of the "problem" with IT these days stems from the continued inability for non-technical colleagues and management to understand exactly what the purpose of IT is.

    It used to be that IT was much less micromanaged. "They do that computer stuff, and it seems to work most of the time, and when it isn't working we lose money, so it's good they keep it working." Now-a-days with folks being so metric-obsessed, it's harder to "just do your job". You gotta make sure to keep up with all your tickets, make extra tickets for everything from someone stopping by your desk, to peeing, so that the metric-OCDs can account for everything you do.

    There's still some places where tech people can be tech people, but with a lot of companies going through the (seemingly) perpetual cycle of: "Our IT doesn't work, get us a dedicated IT staff" to "Man, those IT folks look overworked, they must be hard workers!" to (after the systems have been fixed and streamlined) "Those IT people never seem to be doing anything, let's lay them off and save some money" and back to "our IT doesn't work..." it can be hard to find a position where you *can* be a technology person without having to watch your back all the time.

    Though (to continue the rant), I will agree that, in general, technology is in a bit of a boring slump, where "advances" are often simply marketing re-definitions of existing technology that's been "suped up". It's not like the late-80's through the 90's where interesting things were happening all around and there was always something neat coming out. These days tech is about evolution not revolution.

    Also keep in mind, though, that the longer you're in IT, the more things will seem "old hat" to you. I think this is what the OP (and I) seem to be experiencing these days.

  11. No. by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The glory is making something that people *want* to use, or it really honestly makes their life better, and they know it. I've done mostly back-end stuff throughout my career but I have seen email comments from users who have praised the system for making such-and-such job easier, or figuring out this big thing, or saving a lot of time, etc., and I can feel good that I had a hand in that, or I implemented that, etc.

    My kids like playing with the apps on the iPhone, especially music making and drawing pictures. I can't say how many times I've been handed the phone with a picture and my daughter beaming and going "I made that!!", with obvious joy on her face. That made me happy, and I'd think the author of the program would be happy to know how much joy s/he brought.

    That's glory right there. If you can make someone happy with what you do, honestly and truly, then it makes the TPS reports, status meetings, weekends and late night worth it.

  12. Re:those days are not gone by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those arcane tweaks are still there because the guy left 8 years ago and NOBODY REMEMBERS HOW TO FIX IT.

    "Whatever you do, just don't touch that code. It's been working that way since before I got here. We tried to change it once and it took us 6 days to get the wolverine back in the cage."

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  13. Glory my anus! by orsty3001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been in IT for 10 years now and so far I've contemplated suicide twice. I've watched my lunch break go from 1 hour to eat while you work. Taking a break now is stopping what you are doing here and go over there to explain to our accountant's cousin why she can't use Magic Jack with AOL. Keeping up with the latest and greatest technologies is a joke to everyone that's around you. Even though it's your job to understand this equipment and if we need to upgrade. All the other IT people you've met have an ego the size of VY Canis Majoris. Their life is so much better than yours even though when you hang out with them they can't afford anywhere you want to eat. Also usually their talent is watered down and forget having a conversation about anything other than computers. Finding a new job is a joke. Most online "job sites" are just phishing for resumes that have your social security number and other personal information. Any legitimate jobs have a line forming at the door of applicants. Those jobs are usually a start up that will be around until the owners' loan money runs out. If you ask if there is any room for advancement they feed you a line like "You're already on the top in that position." Meaning you are stuck where you are at until they go belly up. Any ideas your boss or whoever is over you comes up with is usually stupid. Cost cutting and other business BS has left you to complete projects that aren't going to work by impossible deadlines. You only come to work because their internet is a little faster than what you got at home. Working most of the time has cause you to lose touch with friends and some family. You find yourself like a zombie getting up everyday to go to work. You can't wait until the weekend but it takes more than 2 days to recuperate. You read this article on Slashdot and find an avenue to vent. Only to have that temporary escape rudely broken by the question "Hey dude, can you see why my PC be glitchen up?"

  14. Cabinet Maker Working in Home Depot by dtougas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These days, I feel like a cabinet maker working in home depot. I have a bunch of skills that are not being utilized because the majority of the work happening (at least where I work anyways) has shifted from creating custom solutions to installing, maintaining, and supporting 3rd party applications. My job satisfaction is eroding. While I used to take pride in creating stable, elegant solutions to complicated problems, I now spend most of my time fighting with messy integrations.

  15. Re:I didn't know that IT was glorious. by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually I'd like to be treated like the plumber. Nobody thinks the plumber broke their pipes (well, not unless he installed them in the first place), but they do know that he's the one who can fix them. And they know that if they try and be a cheapskate and not pay him his full rate, or if they stand there haranguing him about how bad a job he's doing, he'll pack up his toolkit and wave good-bye, leaving them standing there ankle-deep in... stuff they'd rather not think about, and their only option will be to call another plumber who'll have just as little tolerance for their games as the first one. Because the plumber knows that, no matter how important you think you are, there's always somebody else with a stopped-up sink who won't be such a pain.

    That and both the customer and the plumber know that if the customer takes the plumber into court and complains about how the plumber didn't tell him he shouldn't dump tons of cut hair and congealed grease and crud down the drain and the plumber should've done something to keep that from causing a clog, the judge will fall out of his chair lauging, then dismiss the case with prejudice. And probably order the customer to pay the plumber's legal bills too, just to teach them not to file frivolous complaints.