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Wireless Network Modded To See Through Walls

KentuckyFC writes "The way radio signals vary in a wireless network can reveal the movement of people behind closed doors, say researchers who have developed a technique called variance-based radio tomographic imaging which processes wireless signals to peer through walls. They've tested the idea with a 34-node wireless network using the IEEE 802.15.4 wireless protocol (the personal area network protocol employed by home automation services such as ZigBee). The researchers say that such a network could be easily distributed by the police or military wanting to determine what's going on inside a building. But such a network, which uses cheap off-the-shelf components, might also be easily deployed by your neighbor or anybody else wanting to monitor movements in your home."

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  1. Kids by sopssa · · Score: 4, Funny

    wanting to determine what's going on inside a building.

    Now when teens want to sneak out at night, they can easily see thru walls if their parents are sleeping!

    1. Re:Kids by tag · · Score: 5, Funny

      And imagine the teens' surprise and horror when they discover their parents aren't "sleeping" at all...

    2. Re:Kids by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless they are sneaking out to the local linux kernel developer's symposium.

    3. Re:Kids by sopssa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would think that many of the early hacker culture geeks sneaked out a lot at night - for phone phreaking, to find computer parts etc.

    4. Re:Kids by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sneaking out at night to find computer parts? Were the parts roaming around in the wilderness at nick back then or something?

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    5. Re:Kids by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes...

      Actually buddies of mine weould make a late night pilgramage to Benton Harbor, MI to tresspass on the HeathKit compound to go dumpster diving. WE almost got caught about 8 times. I got enough out of their dumpsters to build my first IBM-XT and a HERO-I robot back in the late 80's.

      In fact it was my buddies that started heathkit destroying things they put in the trash. One of them got greedy and started selling the crap we got out of the dumpsters.

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    6. Re:Kids by Kokuyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with your last statement, I do have to wonder about your idea of common courtesy. My wife and I usually close the window.

      Talking about dysfunctional, though, it seems strange that your kid feels the need to turn up the stereo. I still can not believe that the thought of your own parents having sex is 'icky' to people without something having gone wrong in their sexual upbringing (and I, too, find the thought of my parents having sex 'icky', make no mistake).

      In our household, sex is discussed very openly today and I sure as hell won't change that just because kids have taken over the house ;).

    7. Re:Kids by AdamThor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My dad worked for Heathkit, wrote the user manual for the Hero 1. We had one in our house for a while when I was a kid. I was too young to do much with it though.

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    8. Re:Kids by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depending on your decade and location ... Fry's was a grocery store that was open all night...and had this large tech section.

      Now it's an electronics store with the emphasis on consumer, and it's no longer open all night. But that's one place where it started around 1960. (I was just too early, and just too far away...but I sure heard about it!)

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    9. Re:Kids by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Decades later, and I'm still traumatized by remembering my 60 year old landlady, her 70 year old boyfriend, and the sound conducting air vents.

    10. Re:Kids by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Grampa Simpson: Unsatisfying sex life?
      Homer: N -- yes. But please, don't you say that word!
      Grampa Simpson: What, seeex? What's so unappealing about hearing your elderly father talk about sex? I had seeeeex.

  2. Fear mongering by skornenicholas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Went straight for the "everyone is spying on me!" ploy a little quick there. Seriously, if anything my neighbors request to see LESS of my movements. This may be due to the fact that I have a clear shower curtain and my bathroom doors lines up to a big bay window facing the road...took me two months to realize that one.

  3. Tinfoil House by TyIzaeL · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like it is time to get hold of some Aluminum Oxide paint.

    1. Re:Tinfoil House by pak9rabid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like it is time to get hold of some Aluminum Oxide paint.

      Looks like it is time to start making cell phone calls from outside.

    2. Re:Tinfoil House by giltwist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While a coat of aluminum oxide does count as a Faraday cage, I believe thickness is real issue with the protective power. Paint is only a few molecules thick (relatively) to the more traditional wire mesh. If you were going to build a new house, I think you'd be better including a brass mesh in the walls of your house.

    3. Re:Tinfoil House by Aging_Newbie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aluminum oxide is a dielectric with breakdown around 16kV/mm and dielectric constant of 9. That puts the material in a class similar to glass. As such it would be among the most ineffective Faraday cages since the walls of such a cage must be conductive, and to be truly effective, VERY Conductive. In fact, at high RF ranges light weight cages and shielding have to be made of silver, gold, etc. to keep the skin effect thickness of the material down to manageable values. What is interesting about the aluminum oxide dielectric is its apparent very lossy nature to some RF frequencies, while being "transparent" to others. That is sort of similar to the behavior of pure water, which, if absolutely pure, is a dielectric, but as a polar dielectric it absorbs high frequencies in your microwave oven or in the atmosphere between me and my geosynchronous internet satellite.

      The usefulness of aluminum oxide as a dielectric has been known a long time and electrolytic capacitors used as power supply filters, among other things, use its characteristics to make large capacitances in small volumes.

  4. They're a little late... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 5, Funny

    What with three wireless hubs, an RFID scanner, and half-a-dozen Bluetooth devices always on, I'm pretty sure I'm already casting EMF shadows on my walls.

    Been seeing some really big spiders, too...

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    1. Re:They're a little late... by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, OH! Let a spider bite you and let us know the results!

  5. Reference past article... by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/30/1534202/Using-Aluminum-Oxide-Paint-To-Secure-Wi-Fi?art_pos=19

    Step 1:Paint your house with it.
    Step 2: Install a Faraday cage in the dungeon *ahem* basement.
    Step 3: ??????
    Step 4: Privacy!!!!

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  6. I can already monitor the movements of my neighbor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Terribly thin floors & cielings mean that I can monitor where my upstairs neighbor is and what he is doing at all times.

    Of course my neighbors can monitor when I have sex and how good it is, but I kind of get off on that anyway...

  7. The Dark Knight by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Informative

    Didn't Batman have some goggles that work like this in The Dark Knight?

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  8. Worried about people spying on you? by devnullkac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds like a job for... Aluminum Oxide Paint!

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    1. Re:Worried about people spying on you? by skornenicholas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aluminum Oxide on the inside, Lead paint on the outside, huzzah you live in a microwave oven!

  9. Seymour Hersh hinted at this a few years ago by mantis2009 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh said that the U.S. military had developed a secret new technology for use in urban warfare. He said the technology was revolutionary, equivalent to the first time tanks were deployed on the battlefield. From what I remember, there was speculation that Hersh had learned that the military could now see through walls.

    1. Re:Seymour Hersh hinted at this a few years ago by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we're one step closer to Aliens-esque movemnet detector...

  10. Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Up, down, up, down, what the heck are they doing?

  11. Re:Fear mongering by mrsurb · · Score: 2, Funny

    You owe me a new mind's eye, I had to poke it out to get rid of that mental image.

  12. Device invented to see through walls! by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's called a window.

  13. Re:Fear mongering by Thaelon · · Score: 2, Informative

    What, did you shower with your eyes closed?

    How do you not realize that you can see the road from the shower if people can see in the shower from the road?

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  14. Google Maps? by Zantac69 · · Score: 2, Informative
    This cracked me up:

    "We envision a building imaging scenario similar to the following. Emergency responders, military forces, or police arrive at a scene where entry into a building is potentially dangerous. ... The nodes immediately form a network and self-localize, perhaps using information about the size and shape of the building from a database (eg Google maps) and some known-location coordinates (eg using GPS).

    Anyone remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade?

    Oops! Map was wrong and we are in the wrong house!

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  15. Something the community can get into by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can get xbee-equipped computers (mostly with pics, avrs, basic stamps, etc) for super cheap, like three for a bill. I'm considering them for a remote monitoring and control application where wifi is overkill in some ways and inadequate in others (line of sight issues.) Current xbee modules all seem to support mesh networking, which is really the big draw to me of the protocol itself here, or at least the most readily available implementation. Being able to put out a sensor net and get a sort of meta-sense out of it would be all the more exciting. I'm sure the same thought has occurred to everyone, of course. This seems like the kind of thing that would give the [para]military types a massive hard-on given that they're already playing with the idea of gigantic numbers of drones and communications devices scattered across the battlefields of tomorrow... and our homes and cities.

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  16. Re:I think I see a problem here. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which means they'll want WiFi access on the porch, the back yard - the patio and the sundeck.

    I think you mean the front observation deck, the firing range, and the snipers nest.

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  17. Too cumbersome. by AniVisual · · Score: 3, Interesting

    by "interrogating" this volume of space with many signals, picked up by multiple receivers, it is possible to build up a picture of the movement within it.

    As I understand, the researchers used 34 receivers. You will need a whole lot of receivers. More than you might want to buy and maintain to offer you what is at best a poor resolution of moving things beyond walls.

  18. Wow innovation! by rahlquist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Discerning the physical location and movement of an object with radio waves, what can we call such a thing?

    Ahh, yes, Radar...

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    1. Re:Wow innovation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, this isn't radar, it's tomography. Radio tomography. And the innovation isn't radio tomography, it's using stock WiFi hardware to do it, but I suspect you already knew that.

  19. Competition by lbgator · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although this thing idea is neat, there is an Israeli company that is currently selling RF tech to do the same thing. It comes in a package the size of a suitcase, and can be deployed without having to put transmitters/receivers all over the place. Check it out.

    I actually applied to work for that company but wasn't smart enough. Blasted Israelis and their blasted smarter-than-me-ness.

  20. I did some searching, here's a video: by mckinnsb · · Score: 3, Informative

    The image in the article isn't really good. If you want to see a demonstration of what they did in real time, it's here.

  21. Re:Fear mongering by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe he only showers every two months?

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  22. Country life by boristdog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Another advantage of living in the country.

    If someone is within 1 km of my house (and I doubt this system has that kind of range) the dogs and various livestock alert me WAY before that person can see my movements. And those movements will be important to that person at this point. Especially the "cocking the shotgun" movement.

  23. Videos at their website by shadow_slicer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out their demonstration videos at http://span.ece.utah.edu/radio-tomographic-imaging.

    I was fortunate enough to see the demo at Mobicom last year. It's a really neat application, even if the math is nothing new.

  24. Ah, propellerheads, hello? by TheHawke · · Score: 2, Informative

    They just reinvented RADAR for pity's sake! What is 802.xx? 2-5GHZ Microwave frequencies! It's rather like reinventing the wheel, only this time they used millimeter band, low powered microwaves to do it with. Hooray they are able to use it as a poor man's license-free RADAR system, I'll give them credit for that.

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  25. Thank goodness for Kyllo vs. U.S. by cpu_fusion · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... wherein the Supreme Court (including Scalia, amazingly) held that peering into homes using equipment that was not available in common use by the layperson was within the bounds of the 4th amendment, and therefore requires a search warrant.

  26. Re:Fear mongering by SleazyRidr · · Score: 3, Funny

    The trick is to imagine the poster as a hot 19 year old chick, who refers to herself as a guy because she's a lesbian.

  27. Re:In 20 years..... by wavemancali · · Score: 2, Informative

    George Takei and Robert Apsrin predicted this in "Mirror Friend, Mirror Foe" in 1979.

  28. Winter evenings will fly by... by Unicorn+Setu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whew! Imagine the fun the neighbours could have watching which room you're in: "They're watching TV, they're watching TV, they've put the the kettle on, they're watching TV...." I'm sure it will be worth the effort of setting up 32 receivers and a suitable transmitter and calibrating it - all so the neighbours can work out which room I'm in. The winter evenings are going to just fly by.....

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  29. 'But' by dugeen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting implication that, while your neighbours shouldn't be monitoring what you're doing inside your own house, it's perfectly acceptable for the police and the army to be watching you in this way.