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De Icaza Responds To Stallman
ndogg writes "It's no secret that Stallman doesn't like Mono. Miguel, however, has been pretty quiet about those criticisms, until now. It seems he'll no longer be quiet. He's responded strongly to an article by Stallman that criticizes Codeplex about its aims due to its origin at Microsoft. Miguel says Stallman is fearmongering, and is missing an opportunity by his criticism."
Microsoft should ask for its money back. de Icaza is a terrible troll.
de Icaza doesn't have to be good, he just has to make noise. M$ only trots him out and yanks his leash when a distraction is needed.
Maybe a distraction from Lisbon and Software Patents up Europe's backdoor?
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Hitler was also very principled.
I'm sick and tired of the attacks on everyone who might go against the juvenile group-think on this website and actually feel some of the things microsoft produce have something to offer the world and would like to extend it.
"Ah Miguel. His rant may have virtually zero actual content,"
Blah blah.
Give it a rest you tedious FSF troll.
All shall bow down before him.
How much did you get paid to write that?
I've long since come to the conclusion that Richard Stallman and Darl McBride share the same crazy belief. Both are convinced that free software is an anti-capitalist plot. The difference between the two is that for RMS this is a good thing.
A consequence of this is that RMS sees anyone who supports capitalists as the enemy. I really don't know enough about the case with Mono, and I am certainly skeptical of any dealings with Microsoft, but I am also highly suspicious of RMS's judgement in these matters.
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We have Java, as well as Python and various other languages on Linux for the niche Mono wants to fill
Apart from the serious technical deficiencies of Java and Python, what evidence is there that they are any less at risk of patent infringement claims than Mono?
Seems to me like RMS gave a principled (and really fairly balanced)
RMS has just been spreading FUD, claiming without any justification that Mono is at risk of patent infringement claims from Microsoft. Which patents are those supposed to be? How is Microsoft supposed to assert them despite their legally binding commitment that they are not going to assert any patents on ECMA/ISO C#?
Why did this even make Slashdot when Icaza says absolutely nothing to refute Stallman's argument?
Stallman hasn't made an argument yet that could be refuted.
I knew someone would make this exact nit-pick when I wrote that.
If you want me to think of them like a corporation, let me repeat:
Microsoft's brand is "incompatible" with open source. They can no more credibly change it now than Volkswagen can become an American automaker. They made their bed on that through carefully and assiduously lying and suing the shit out of people for many, many years.
There are limits to our credulousness, even in America.
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Yes, he is principled. So are most other terrorist, which is all he is, just not the usual form used to invoke fear.
RMS is an extremist. Pick his side if you must, but watch over time as his cult gets smaller and smaller. The only people who 'follow' him are angst ridden teenagers and those too fascinated with him to actually listen to how insane he sounds on a regular basis.
He may have started out preaching the right idea, but he has been a complete nut job for almost 10 years now.
He has made some predictions that have come true. He has made far more that haven't come true, I don't find that the least bit impressive. He's a bag of hot air, and while at one more he may have been 'on the right side', he is now well out of bounds of rationality.
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What part of "didn't have a leg to stand on" don't you get? You think they would have abstained from legal action if they had thought they had had a chance with it? As for the GPL; There are reasons it has rarely been tested in courts, like "you can't win" against it. Even if you win you lose, and will be found guilty of copyright violation. Not a good place to be. There's no reason it wouldn't have held up back then as well as it would today, so you've got no point there either. Shoo, shill.
Oh look, it's Brandybuck, an _actual_ troll! :)
Any content other than baseless insults and name calling? Nope, thought not. Hypocrite.
Microsoft should ask for its money back. de Icaza is a terrible troll.
de Icaza doesn't have to be good, he just has to make noise. That's the role of a troll. M$ only trots him out and yanks his leash when a distraction is needed. His bag of tricks consists of name calling, which works for press dependent Microsoft partner advertising money.
Or to distract from technical issues like quality and performance. Mono is very poor copy of Java and there are many other tools much further along that Mono can never catch up with including Ruby, Python, and Perl.
Maybe a distraction from Lisbon and Software Patents up Europe's backdoor? It's only Europe that is holding out still. Anything to distract from the freedom to use software.
Technological independence is a pillar in modern democracy and of national independence. That's been dependent on both open source (inlcuding Free Software) and on open standards. Miguel is actively fighting against both and encouraging people to move away from both. There are some very nasty legal names for what Miguel is doing to your country.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
No, he is suggesting that he, Linus and at least part of Microsoft are his allies, only an apologist would read it any other way.
But... the future refused to change.
And only a hardline Stallmanite would disagree with the statement.
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I won't forgive:
1) Deliberately trying to destroy the GNOME desktop project by taking key developers out of the project to work on MONO, specifically at Microsoft's request. Next time GNOME sucks, thank Miguel for it.
2) The introduction of MONO into distributions, technology everyone knows is patent encumbered, and serves no use, except to provide Microsoft with a stick one day to whack distros over the head with it, once it "infects" everything it touches.
3) His attacks on Richard Stallman for simply being upfront and truthful by declaring the emperor HAS NO CLOTHES.
MONO is so naked, I can see the pimples on its ass from here.
4) Accepting money from Microsoft, which has made no secret it wants open source destroyed of any kind, GPL or otherwise and being a mouth piece to stir up trouble in the open source community.
Those are my top 4 reasons, which I have a list as long as my left arm about this guys private and public antics behind the scenes, which is two faced to be kind.
Microsoft is not to be permitted into the Open Source community until its board is destroyed, its holdings are destroyed and the company is on its knees, suitable for purchase at pennies on the dollar by Redhat.
At which point, I would like to see Ballmer enshrined along with the other list of "so greasy you can't light a match near'em" CEO's like Darling Mcbride.
(McBride, if you ever get a job working for any other company besides McDonalds, I will insure they don't get a red cent, penny!)
Or......some other suitable company.....Ubuntosoft? :-)
Microsoft is more than welcome to join the open source community, as a pleb where it belongs.
-Hack
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You're a fucking scumbag Miguel.
How we know is more important than what we know.
You're a traitor, Miguel, and we all know it. Piss off or you'll find yourself against a wall, one day.