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Comcast's War On Infected PCs (Or All Customers)
thadmiller writes "Comcast is launching a trial on Thursday of a new automated service that will warn broadband customers of possible virus infections if the computers are behaving as if they have been compromised by malware. For instance, a significant overnight spike in traffic being sent from a particular Internet Protocol address could signal that a computer is infected with a virus, taking control of the system and using it to send spam as part of a botnet." Update: Jason Livingood
of Comcast's Internet Systems Engineering group sent to Dave Farber's "Interesting People" mailing list a more detailed explanation of what this trial will involve.
As long as they don't act upon this information I don't see any issue with it. I bet most run-of-the-mill users don't know they have the infection and could act upon it if they knew.
Sounds like a win-win for both Comcast and their customers if it's informational only.
ISPs need to notify their customers. Many customers don't really have email contact from their ISP for various reasons (eg, me!). But injecting a pop-up for notification purposes DOES work.
Yes, the same technology can be used for evil abuses like ad injection, but this is exactly what SHOULD be done.
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"The new service will eventually be rolled out in the rest of the country, replacing the phone calls Comcast has been using to notify customers to security problems, Opperman said."
So wait, instead of a personal phone call (which they apparently had been doing before anyway), now it'll be a popup just like the 50 other ones the user sees because he or she's infected with malware to begin with?
Nice.
Pardon me if I assume that everything Comcast does is anti-consumer unless proven otherwise. Their record certainly reinforces this skepticism. Sounds to me like they are trying yet again to scare people who torrent or use P2P oftware. Of course since they "can't" throttle, they are coming up with new ways to encourage their paying customers to use less of their "unlimited" bandwidth. Thanks for loking out for us Comcast.
Sure thing, users NEVER get popup warnings about being infected and promptly ignore them... Unless they are really from the virus itself and are asking for credit card information.
and I'm glad they did so. I was being lazy and neglected to install a virus scanner on one of the PCs hooked up here, and it got infected with conficker. Basically my ISP (XS4ALL, a Dutch ISP) detects this and blocks most of the traffic (getting mail still works), shows a warning page when you try to open a website, and some instructions on how to get through the blockade with a proxy, and how to clean up your PC. They'll only unblock you once you have gone through a number of steps to clean up your PC (running some trojan scanners etc.). This may seem harsh, but I think if every ISP did this there wouldn't be some many huge botnets out there and perhaps a lot less SPAM as well.
this proves and solves nothing, its a frogboil tactic they use to get customers familiar with their 'responsibility' on their network. soon it becomes "we kick you off if we find malware." Internet providers are already shovelling this bullshit with port scanning and automated warnings regarding account termination. Treating customers like dirt, redefining what "demand" is in terms of the business model, and shaping the services you supply sure is alot easier than actually scaling infrastructure to meet real-life demand.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Comcast Gold PCGuard+ Express Pro has detected a significant overnight spike in your network usage that suggests your PC may be infected with a virus. This process has been identified as utorrent.exe. It is recommended that you delete all files related to this program immediately to keep your personal information secure.
They even proactively installed AntiVirus 2009 on my system. Gosh, it's amazing how many viruses I had and didn't even know it.
It's really too bad that a cable company doesn't have any other means of communicating with their customers other than the internet. If only some how they could find out where their customers live, which I admit does sound like a startling infringement on their customers' right to privacy, they could convey such a warning with out worrying about web etiquette or spam filters.
-Rick
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> No, but why is the NAT firewall letting the spam through to the outside world?
Because having egress filtering on by default would piss off most users, so consumer NATs don't do that.
Ok.. so its Comcast and we can all assume they will handle it poorly, but I worked at a small local ISP and was responsible for implementing just such a system on our network. The system would notify our NOC engineers about suspected infections, they would investigate more fully, and if the traffic was really suspect, we would log a ticket with customer support who would then call the customer. If we were unable to contact the customer for 48 hours and they didn't call us back we would disable their service.
Now, it was a little different as we are small and local, and we would send a tech out to their house to help clean the virus off their machine. When customer service called that was part of the call.. It went something like this: "We have detected suspicious traffic coming from your connection. To protect our network and your neighbors who also use our service, if the traffic does not stop within 48 hours we will disconnect your service. If you need any information about the traffic in question we can have an engineer contact you. Also, if you need help installing, updating, or using virus and or spyware removal software, we will be happy to send a tech support engineer to your house to help you remedy this situation."
We didn't charge for that tech support house call, it was just part of providing excellent service. In short, if it were to be handled appropriately, I don't see any problem with this sort of system. That being said, I feel comcast will probably really botch this, just as any large telecom company would.
Our system never detected a false positive on for example bittorrent traffic. We did have some on the IRC ports, but less than 5% (not that many people actually use IRC anymore, on a residential ISP network, probably 95%+ of IRC traffic is botnet control). We never turned off someone's connection who was validly using IRC. The customer service tech would ask "do you use IRC?" almost everyone would say "uh.. what is that?" The few people who use it would say "Yes I do" and we would say "Oh ok, that explains it" and that would be that.
We only ever turned off 1 person's connection, they had left their machine on and left on vacation and it was on a botnet. We disabled their connection as we didn't get a response from them, when they got back they called in, we sent out a tech and cleaned up their machine and that was that.
...that they called and told me that I had a zombie PC. I run updates, antivirus software and am very careful about where I go on the web, and what I download. Despite all my precautions, though, my PC got infected via an infected CD from my office (autorun is now turned off, btw). I got a call from Comcast saying that they'd noticed some odd traffic. The tech guy said it looked like my PC had been infected although it didn't seem to be actively sending/receiving any unusual data. After a quick re-scan with my antivirus software, it was gone, and all was right with the world (well, my tiny corner of it, anyway). I was used to Comcast sucking hardcore before this happened. Now my attitude is a little better toward them -- the Comcast tech guy knew his stuff, and was very helpful.
- Jack
It's really too bad that a cable company doesn't have any other means of communicating with their customers other than the internet.
Hehe, you're watching TV with the family, and at the next commercial break you see a guy in an easy chair, reading the newspaper. He looks up at the camera and says "Hi there Rick! I'm Jim, from Comcast. Enjoying the show? Hey I'm afraid I've got a bit of bad news - it looks like your computer is infected with BugBot32/A."
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