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When Do You Fire a Headhunter?

Captain Sarcastic writes "I have been a contract programmer for a few years (with some time off when a contract-for-hire paid off and made me a full-time employee). Currently, I'm between projects, but I'm a little worried about one of the contracting companies who's helping me. First off, a little history. "Zeke" (not his real name) was with ABC Contractors (not their real name) when I first met him, and he took my resume and started processing me through the jobs that ABC had available. A bit later, Zeke left, and his replacement Yvonne (standard disclaimer) submitted me to a company (call them "Acme") for a contract-for-hire. Everything looked like a good fit, and she E-mailed me a copy of the resume they submitted to Acme. Came the interview, I realized that Zeke had left out part of my history and had mis-dated other aspects, to keep me from appearing unemployed. Like an idiot, I tried to correct this at the interview, to find out that Acme had decided that I had fabricated all of my experience, and chewed out the rep for ABC for sending an unqualified applicant. Fine, learning experience for me — double-check what the contracting company says about you, and don't try to correct things in the middle of the interview." Read below for the rest of the story. What other difficulties have others gone through with headhunters and when is it time to leave one behind? A couple months later, Zeke contacted me from his new position with Blue-Sky Consultants (standard disclaimer), and sent me on a couple of interviews. Once again, I found out he'd "corrected" my resume — the same way he did with ABC. I raised the issue with him, and he apologized and said he'd correct the resume, and he's submitted me for other positions, but none seem to have gotten to the interview stage. I suspect that he's not trying very hard, and I wonder if he's soft-pedaling submissions for me to keep his own bosses from recognizing he'd altered my resume. So, I have the following questions:
  1. Am I suspecting malice and/or clumsiness where a competitive market is the true suspect? (An answer of yes would be harder on my ego, but a relief.)
  2. Do headhunters modify resumes, and if so, should I just shut up and go with what the headhunter says? (I was always told that eventually, the truth comes out, so I'd be uncomfortable doing that, but life isn't always comfortable.)
  3. Should I tell Zeke to get lost and stay that way? (I was always told that making enemies unnecessarily was "considered harmful", but I get the impression that Zeke isn't a friend).
  4. Have fellow Slashdotters dealt with similar situations?

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  1. Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by nahdude812 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We see dishonesty from head hunters all the time. Personally I'd much rather if there was a mistake on your resume as we have it in front of us, that you point it out. For this reason, it's always good to go to an interview with 5 or so copies of your resume. If you try to cover for the contracting company's rep, now you're starting your relationship with me out by lying and covering something up. Unless you really are trying to cover something up, I guess =).

    Especially if you bring correct copies with you, I would easily believe the contracting company misrepresented you. If you're still a fit for the job, I'll be happy to talk to you.

    Also, as soon as a contracting company knowingly falsifies data about you or otherwise misrepresents you, make it clear to them that the first time was the last time. If they keep it up, drop them. Unless you're willing to move around the country a lot, there are only so many companies in a given area which are likely to have skill sets that line up with yours. You don't want your contracting company closing doors on you.

    1. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      In my experience, headhunters are very forthright about their desire to kill people, eat them, and hang their shrunken, stuffed heads from strings around their neck. Obviously, you should fire them if they look overly hungry and there is no one else for them to eat. Or if they catch and eat people other than those you hired them to catch and eat. Employed with care and attention, though, headhunters can bring something to your business that no other employee can: abject terror in those that oppose you.

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    2. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by CorporateSuit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. I'm not the HR of my company, but my job includes reviewing all resumes submitted for the people who will be working under me. If I asked you in for an interview because your resume showed me that you might not be a complete knucklehead, and you tell me that the agency who sent in your resume completely fabbed it up, you still have 2 minutes to explain to me why you're not a complete knucklehead.

      Basically, you've substituted the list of skills on your resume with a single relevant skill: Honesty.

      It's up to you, in the interview, to very quickly tell me what relevant skills you DO have and why I shouldn't waste my time listening to you any further. If you can do that, your false resume doesn't preclude you from the job. I'd rather have an honest person with a remotely relevant skillset and a bad resume than an idiot with an impressive resume. That's why most businesses won't even look past the coverletters anymore, because resumes are typically crap.

      Also, as a personal note: Lighten up. Have fun with your resume and don't follow the exact rules and formats of everyone else. Keep it concise and to the point (I don't want to be bored while reading it), but also include something that will make it stand out and be memorable -- like printing it on the blank back of a page from a dinosaur coloring book. People think that HR's are robots who want to trash anything that looks individual or informal. They're humans with senses of humor, and something that will brighten their day will tend to come back and brighten yours. After I helped my wife with her resume, the next job she applied for (a bank, of all places) not only hired her, but asked if they could frame the resume on the wall.

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    3. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by bjackson1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that you Dwight?

      Jim Halpert: Have you called any headhunters?
      Michael Scott: Any good headhunter knows that I am available.
      Dwight Schrute: Any really good headhunter will storm your village at sunset with overwhelming force and cut off your head with a ceremonial knife.
      Jim Halpert: Right, because that's what we're talking about.

    4. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by Jim+Hall · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree with the parent. It's unfortunate, but sometimes headhunters mess about with the resume before sending it on. You can reduce the odds of this happening (somewhat) by only giving the headhunter a PDF copy of your resume. They'd have to re-type the resume to edit it, and many may be unwilling to go through the effort.

      Definitely do bring copies of your resume with you to any interview, and if you find the resume they have in front of them is wrong correct it right away. Don't try to cover for the headhunter. In the original question, the submitter said he was an idiot to correct the resume during the interview - no, you weren't. As a hiring manager, I'd rather hear that the headhunter falsified your resume, than discover that you did.

      If you find a headhunter has faked your resume, I'd drop him/her right away, and insist they no longer share your info with anyone. Limit the exposure. If it happens once, it will happen again.

    5. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by Commander+Doofus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, as a personal note: Lighten up. Have fun with your resume and don't follow the exact rules and formats of everyone else.

      I have to disagree. A "fun" resume makes you memorable for all the wrong reasons, it's like showing up to a first date wearing a clown wig and oversized shoes. Make your personality be what makes you stand out from the crowd. It's okay to toss out a joke or two at the interview to show you're not a stuffed-shirt, but at that point they're already interested in you.

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    6. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basically, you've substituted the list of skills on your resume with a single relevant skill: Honesty.

      Consider how under valued this skill actually is. You want to dump this guy in 2 minutes for being honest for possibly being unable to explain another persons dishonesty. On the other hand you would probably have a full scale interview with someone who lied about their resume and can BS enough about their skill set to at least seem competent.

      Any wonder people willing to lie about this stuff?

    7. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you are lying on my behalf your behavior reflects on me and i do not tolerate that kind of horseshit.

      Here's what I've said when people ask me to lie for them: "No. If I'm willing to lie for you, then I'm willing to lie to you."

      I simply don't trust someone who's willing to lie "for me" - especially in the instance cited - where the headhunter is really lying for himself - he wants the $$$.

      We have tens of millions of people with buyers' remorse and wrecked finances, and a global financial meltdown, because their mortgage broker lied "for" them.

    8. Re:Personally I'd rather you were honest with me by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      it's like showing up to a first date wearing a clown wig and oversized shoes.

      You don't have to get personal about it.

  2. making enemies unnecessarily by More_Cowbell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should I tell Zeke to get lost and stay that way? (I was always told that making enemies unnecessarily was "considered harmful", but I get the impression that Zeke isn't a friend).

    That's not 'unnecessary'... the guy screwed you. Never work with him again, and advise any friends to do the same.

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    1. Re:making enemies unnecessarily by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would have to concur.

      A reputable headhunter will typically ask you questions to ascertain if they need you to update your resume and have you do it. If there's an issue with formatting, but not content, the headhunter will show you what they've done.

      This guy is a slimeball and I've met a few like him...drop him like a hot potato and make sure your colleagues know about him as well.

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    2. Re:making enemies unnecessarily by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This guy is a slimeball

      "Zeke fucked with my resume and I suspect he's not trying too hard.. should I go back to him??"

      ^-- this is like asking a room full of women if you should go back to your abusive husband. the answer is glaringly obvious but the real question is if you will listen?

  3. run away by prgrmr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Find a new agency and go talk to a lawyer. Depending upon the law in your state, you may have grounds to sue the headhunting firm--and not just for money, but for a written apology and retraction to the company that you interviewed with. Your reputation in the market is crucial, and they just screwed yours.

  4. Lucky you're not contracting in Britain by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All the agents[1] do here is take a list of bullet points from a company, then slavishly match them against the keywords they extract from your CV (translation: resume). Not a 100% match? Easy solution: no interview. Outlandish or impossible requirements? Simple: no match - no interview. Your CV can contain the requirements the client wants, but if the keywords don't match: e.g. you say C++, they ask for "C", again: no interview.
    And they wonder why everybody, on both sides of the contract, hates them.

    [1] they're paid on commission from the employers - so that's who they "work" for.

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  5. Headhunters by Jetrel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have owned a recruiting firm (sold it because I miss working in technology) and can tell you that most headhunters do not ever have your interest in mind. They are trying to fill a slot and make a commission from the company, no more. With the current economy you as a job seeker / contractor is a commodity that is fairly easy to find right now and will pass you over pretty quickly with little resistance unless you mean $$ to them.

    There are all types of recruiting firms and you have to remember that they are trying to sell the contracting position twice.

    1) You to the company
    2) The company to you

    The best advice I can give you is no matter what they tell you they are a sales people and to be cordial but always realize that they are there for one reason to place a body in position and reap the rewards. Also never put your eggs in one basket. Make contacts with many firms and find how/what fits for you.

    I hope this helps!

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  6. "When do you Fire a HeadHunter?" by Xeleema · · Score: 5, Funny

    I follow the three-head rule; if you can't give me three heads shrunken down and stitched up to my QA-Approved Design Specifications, then pack up your grass skirt and nose-bone buddy!

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  7. Your integrity is your own by guanxi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter what the headhunter or someone else does, your integrity is attached to you as an individual. If you are dishonest, nobody thinks 'ABC contractor is dishonest', they think 'Captain Sarcastic is dishonest', and that follows you when you leave ABC. In fact, if they are being dishonest or even just reckless with the truth, I would avoid association with ABC; that also might follow you wherever you go.

    You also should demonstrate good judgment by avoiding embarrassing ABC, but if pressed, just say 'I'm sorry, there must have been some miscommunication, my real experience is ...' or 'there must be some mistake, let me get you a corrected resume'. Don't speculate on ABC's motives, which you probably don't know anyway. (and don't need to know; intentionally or not, ABC is unreliable). Even silently allowing important mistatements to pass is deceitful.

    Integrity is a necessary trait for anyone I work with. Others certainly don't mind or even admire someone who can deceive effectively; if someone like that hires you, you know what to expect from them.

  8. Re:Dumbass by BabaChazz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Courts have said that they can fire you without recourse and rescind any bonuses if they hired you based on a bogus resume. And that has happened repeatedly. If they find out, you may never work again; at least not in that field. Not worth the risk.

  9. Re:Dumbass by shogarth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only have courts said it, it happens all the time. My wife (a human incarnation of Catbert) has fired maybe 20 people over the last decade because they lied on their application paperwork.

    Normally it plays out that something questionable happens and the employee starts to get scrutinized. Then looky, looky, they lied on their application and are a problem. Time for security to walk them out of the building...

  10. There're more HH than available positions by Like2Byte · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're never given a second chance at a first impression.

    Your headhunter has placed you and your prospective employer in a difficult situation and you are the canon-fodder. If you can't trust your headhunter to honestly represent you then you need not work with them.

    I, too, am a contract programmer currently between gigs. If some headhunter calls you and says you're Mr. Wonderful but refuses to pay travel expenses for your interviews then don't even entertain them. Find out before you are submitted to the client because if you are submitted first and then refuse to pay an $800.00 air fair for a Face-to-Face then you are screwed and will never get a F2F with the client. One, you are not guaranteed the position so you'd be out $800.00 based on conjecture. Very hollow, indeed. And, two; being doubly-submitted is very taboo. Depending on whether you signed a right-to-represent from the headhunter they could take you to court which makes you a risk to the prospective employer. Which leads me to my next topic.

    NEVER sign a right-to-represent without fully reading the entire document. If you must sign, then ENSURE that the right-to-represent is ONLY with the single client position for which you are being submitted. Some headhunter houses are *very* shady. These hunters will, and have, sued people for not using them to get positions at locations in or around cities in which the headhunter-house operates. It has happened. Sure, it's a scam; but, desperate contractors do fall for the scam and lose out on large amounts of money. (Mostly, it's small claims court; so, usually $5000.00. No need to bring in those meddlesome attorneys.)

    NDAs. Don't sign NDAs with companies simply for an interview. I did this. Epic fail on my part. Basically, I was creating similar systems on my own that a company in Missouri was creating. I, arrogantly, thought I was a shoe-in. I didn't get the job and for a period of two years I am contractually restricted from creating like-devices for that industry. Recently, the company began looking for more people. When I inquired to one of my trustworthy Head Hunters he told me who it was. He informed me that they're not looking for anyone they've already interviewed. Honest and OK enough. I asked him if they hired anyone the first time around and he said, "No, they didn't." Imagine my surprise.

    Save your NDA signing for when you have already been given an offer of employment and it has been accepted.

    Last and certainly not least: Never discuss your offered positions with other Head Hunters. If they find out what position you are being represented for by another head hunter they will attempt to undercut you and you will never get the job. Need an example: Here. I know a guy who was traveling to his next assignment. One of his head hunters called and began talking to him about his situation. He informed the HH that he was going to start work in 1 week at company X, 600 miles away for $X.00. They spoke for about 10 minutes. The next day the contractor that got him the job called and told him not to come as the client found somebody else cheaper.

    Moral of all this: Don't slit your own throat. Lose lips sink ships.