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Michael Dell Says Windows 7 Will Make You Love PCs

ruphus13 writes "In a recent talk at the Churchill Club, Michael Dell addressed several topics, including the fact that Windows 7 is poised to take advantage of the upgrade cycle. Dell has always been a strong MS OEM ally and it is now hoping to cash in again from the impending upgrades. From the post: 'Dell made plain several times that he sees the installed base of technology as very old, and sees a coming "refresh cycle" for which he has high hopes. "The latest generation of chips from Intel is strong, particularly Nehalem," he said, adding, "and Windows 7 is on its way." (The operating system arrives Oct. 22nd, although Microsoft's large-volume licensees are already getting it.) He pointed out that many business are running Windows XP, which is eight years old. "I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now," he said, "and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement."'"

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  1. Hmm... by memphis.barbecue · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't put my finger on it, but loving my PC seems narcissistic somehow.

    1. Re:Hmm... by operator_error · · Score: 5, Funny

      Try moving your finger lower and a little bit to the left, and maybe somewhat faster? Oh wait, you said narcissistic. Oops, my bad; nevermind.

  2. Balance Sheet by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now, and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement.

    Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Full - Retail: $299.99
    Cheapest Nehalem Processor: $279.99
    (note, can't buy Office 2010 yet)
    Latest Office 20xx: $399.95

    Total: $979.93

    So Michael Dell, the CEO of the company that is the largest dealer of PCs to businesses and individuals, suggests you opt for the extra grand in order to 'love your PC again.' You don't say. I would be shocked if anyone was willing to fork over more than $900 for an entire computer these days. How am I to differentiate this from any salesman saying, "Buy the most expensive one for the best experience."

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    1. Re:Balance Sheet by chrisG23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For that kind of money I might as well get a mac.

    2. Re:Balance Sheet by craagz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mac is like a high maintenance mistress, Windows is like a pricey Girlfriend, Ubuntu is like a wife.

    3. Re:Balance Sheet by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mac is like a really expensive whore; Windows is like a street walker who might not have had been tested for STDs recently, Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

    4. Re:Balance Sheet by cabjf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

      But only other nerds really have a chance with her.

    5. Re:Balance Sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those options are nice if you fulfill the requirements of the Office student license and the OEM System Builder License. I don't see how they are relevant generally -- if you are arguing that the licenses aren't important... well you could just get a cracked copy off bittorrent and say the total price is $199.

    6. Re:Balance Sheet by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful


      The stupidity is that Windows 7 is actually looking quite good. And then they pull the sort of stupid marketing stunts that you'd only be driven to if it were crap, making them look desperate.

      That said, good or not, Windows 7 is over-priced. Lots of people might want it, but they wont pay hundreds of dollars for it. About $60 - 70 and it would fly off the shelves. Most will not upgrade but just wait until they pick it up with a new PC (which could be a long time for us build-our-own types).

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    7. Re:Balance Sheet by cloudkiller · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

      But only other nerds really have a chance with her.

      Give here enough attention and anything is possible. And I mean anything.

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    8. Re:Balance Sheet by gauauu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Mac user experience is vastly different than XP and Vista. So much so, that people who switched are not going back to MS anytime soon.

      I tried switching. I bought a mac. And I don't like it. (For many reasons, which I won't whine about here). That very different user experience just didn't work for me. So just this week I'm selling my mac and switching to a machine running Windows 7. I like it better than OS X.

      Not that most people are like me (and I know one example proves nothing), but I'm the counter-example to your claim, who is happy to switch back.

      (Of course, also in consideration is that windows 7 actually runs quite well NOT on new top-of-the-line hardware. I'm running it on a netbook and it's chugging along quite happily.)

    9. Re:Balance Sheet by Triv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So just this week I'm selling my mac and switching to a machine running Windows 7. I like it better than OS X.

      You know you can install Windows on a Mac, right?

  3. Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is a well know fact that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu exclusively at home, and only trots out the pro-Windows stance when paid to by Microsoft, so none of this should be taken seriously. Not that anyone sensible would take anyone saying 'Windows is good!' seriously.

    1. Re:Yeah, right. by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or some marketing droid wrote that statement for him. I remember similar crap mouthed by various computer company CEO's about Vista.

      Windows 7 is, fundamentally, just Vista SP2. There's a little less in the way of "you need to confirm access to continue" screen nagware, and the hardware requirements are about the same as Vista. The only reason it's not getting panned as a resource hog is that Vista only ran well on almost "bleeding edge" hardware, and 2.5 years later that's "hey it runs well on a couple year old sytem."

    2. Re:Yeah, right. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Windows 7 is just Windows Vista SP2, then what is Windows Vista SP2?

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  4. Re:Can somebody tell me why? by Splab · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just better.

    I upgraded to windows 7 pro about a month ago (through MSDNAA) and I've even stopped using linux at home.

  5. Dell Financials by mosch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Revenue Q2 2008:  $14,147m
    Revenue Q2 2009:  $10,623m

    Profit YTD 2008:  $1,400m
    Profit YTD 2009: $762m

    Yeah... If I was Michael Dell, I'd be working to sell the idea that Windows 7 is going to make you love a PC too.  Especially if you bought a lot of other expensive shit.

  6. Re:Can somebody tell me why? by sensationull · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a few things that have improved, most of which were avalible in Vista too:

    Much better use of multicore CPUs
    GPU acceleration of the GUI
    self healing system files(in some instances)
    OS aware of SMART HD readings and able to prompt user
    DLL seperation
    vastly better RDP
    vastly improved central managment and deployment features for businesses
    Easy 64 bit usage with drivers
    Faster installs
    Better power managment and usage of hardware suspend
    better usage of memory (cacheing for very noticible speed gains)
    Media center!
    transparent Bitlocker hard drive encryption (in pro and ultimate) with TPM
    program execution isolation that redirects reg and file system calls to safe locations
    epiclly better wireless support
    support for propper GUI scaleing on high DPI LCDs
    Integrated Touch support and Speech Recognition(not fantastic but alright)
    Automatic driver retrival for most hardware right of Windows update without searching
    Fast search and indexing
    Document libraries for easy organisation
    Faster boot times and UI responce on semi-decent hardware (compared to XP)
    Better moniter support for HD TVs and multi moniters/GPUs (by default)
    Child restricted accounts to limit games and allow usage limits for children.

    Just to name a few, it has been a long time since XP and things have progressed.

    On the cons side I still don't like the superbar much, you can change it to be simmilar to the Vista one quite easily though. They have also removed the email client probably due to the EUs meddeling but live mail is still avalible.

  7. I've been running it for months too by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Informative
    Is it an improvement over VIsta? Hell ya. Is it an improvement over XP? That's not so clear. Many operations are still slower - or at least, they subjectively feel slower when I switch between my 3-year old desktop at work (XP) and my 6 month old quad-core 4GB laptop at home(Win7 64 RC) every day. The limitations in themes are frustrating visually - if you don't want to run Aero, you're stuck with specific window decoration color scheme that you can't change (unlike windows xp). Large file copy operations still take much, much longer than they do on XP (though on the flip side, the recovery from copy errors is much more robust). Applications launch times seem to be no better or worse than on my older XP machine -- which I take as a net loss in performance, since the XP machine's hardware is far slower than my laptop's.

    Some of the amenities are nice - the Explorer changes (mostly done in Vista) are very helpful, but at the same time the Explorer interface now takes up much more room than it needs to. The only thing I actively like about 7 is the new taskbar -- but even that has its frustrations, primarily that it's not friendly for running applications that are configured based on command line options. An example is java -- while it recognizes java apps that you "pin" as JRE-based, it loses any additional information/parameters when you attempt to launch a jar file from the pinned menu. Another is putty, which lets you specify a parameter controlling startup profile, but this is not available to pinned instances.

    All in all - it is definitely better than Vista. Whether it's better than the XP-based configuration that Dell is talking about... I think that's very much up for debate.

  8. re: shocked? by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really?

    When you consider that way back in the 1980's, people were shelling out upwards of $2000 for a new computer, what makes you think it's so "shocking" that people would still pay over $1000 for a new system in today's dollars?

    Although the market has been flooded with "entry level" systems starting as low as $300 or so, that doesn't mean everyone has decided there's no reason to spend more. And although I realize the cheap PCs have been great from a standpoint in getting more people on-board with using a computer at home, they've also resulted in lower standards across the board. I, for one, am tired of the garbage that passes for a power supply out there. You've got the same problem as cheap, imported car and home stereo equipment, where the wattage ratings mean nothing. I can remember when you could pull a power supply out of one of the original IBM AT machines and it might say something really low, by today's standards, like an 85 watt rating. Yet you could add a bunch of power splitters to the thing and hook it up to a FAR more modern system that needed at least a 250 watt power supply to run, and it would still power it! These days, you get power supplies with a 450 or 500 watt rating that conk out if they're asked to output more than about HALF of that rating!

    I'm equally tired of the way manufacturers cut corners on things like cooling fans (cheap sleeve bearings, so the fan quits spinning after a year or two, risking destroying far more expensive components), or sourcing the cheapest motherboards they can find that have the ports and connectors they require. (Again, where's the real savings when your new machine gets flaky and starts refusing to power up half the time, risking all your important data?)

    All of this (and shoddy software!) are reasons I've been "loving my PC" for years now by switching to higher-end Macs. Yep, they cost more.... a lot more in the case of the Mac Pro. But I've had practically NO headaches or hardware issues. (My first Macbook Pro portable did arrive DOA, but it was swapped immediately and its replacement worked great. Even there though, the things were shipping direct from a factory in China. Back when people were conditioned to pay more for computers, all the way around, these things would have still been assembled and QA tested here in the USA.)