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German Book Publishers Cool To E-Book Market

Now that the Kindle is being actively marketed in many countries outside the US, reader rsmiller510 sends in his piece up on DaniWeb about the skepticism in Germany about the whole e-book phenomenon. A major difference from the US book market is that in Germany, book prices are regulated in an effort to protect authors, publishers, and small booksellers. As a result, publishers don't issue electronic versions of their books until the paperback edition comes out, up to 2 years after the hardcover — and then they sell the e-book for the same price as the lowest-cost paperback. An article on e-books in Spiegel.de notes a survey taken recently for the Frankfurt Book Fair, which found that "only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one." 65,000 e-books were sold in Germany in the first 6 months of 2009, vs. almost ten times that number bought per week in the US, in what is still a small niche of the overall book business.

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  1. are the US figures really that high? by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ten times 65,000 e-books sold per week in the U.S. equates to about 34 million per year. Sales are really that high? Is this including magazines and newspaper, or just actual books?

    1. Re:are the US figures really that high? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also when you figure per capita, the US has almost 4 times the population, which makes US sales roughly 2.5 times better.

      Their sample is a bit skewed too. They took this survey at a book fair? Where people who love books go? It'd be less biased if it were a "reading fair", but that's like going to a classic car fair and asking people whether they'd give up their car for a new hybrid.

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    2. Re:are the US figures really that high? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also when you figure per capita, the US has almost 4 times the population, which makes US sales roughly 2.5 times better.

      Umm, no. RTFA. 65,000 in six months in Germany versus 600,000 per week in the USA. Even accounting for population differences, the difference is about 120:1.

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    3. Re:are the US figures really that high? by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not really the same thing at all.

      The Frankfurt Book Fair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Book_Fair) is an ancient and massive trade fair. Today it's largely a place where publishers get together to work out trade deals. For instance if a German author+publisher wants his book translated and sold in the states. Tons of business generated here.

      Secondly, from the sound of the D.S. article, the survey was commissioned BY the Fair, not taken of random browsers AT the fair. Could still be biased, but I don't see what they would gain? The fair is about business.

    4. Re:are the US figures really that high? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks... I completely missed the 6 month vs. 1 week distinction.

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    5. Re:are the US figures really that high? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks... I completely missed the 6 month vs. 1 week distinction.

      Hey ... close enough for government work.

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    6. Re:are the US figures really that high? by lavaboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Frankfurter Buchmesse isn't just a "book fair". It's the largest publishers convention in Europe - runs for a week, and is only open to the general public on the last weekend. Calling it just a "book fair" is like calling CeBIT a computer fair or SF ComicCon a comics fair.

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  2. So the lesson is... by gregwbrooks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.

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    1. Re:So the lesson is... by El+Torico · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is an argument that the continued existence of a healthy ecosystem of independent local bookstores and multiple publishers is a benefit to the members of the society that outweighs the increased costs.

      What about academic publishing? Textbooks are now ridiculously expensive, and I don't see any benefits to society from this particular healthy ecosystem of independent local bookstores. On the contrary, these excessive costs are making education more difficult to obtain, which is a detriment to society.
      The plethora of small academic book stores (such as the local College or University bookstore) with no resulting bargaining power against the largest (or any other) academic publishers is a contributing factor to this problem.

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    2. Re:So the lesson is... by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > If you artificially prop up prices for the benefit of a few, then competition and innovation
      > that would benefit the broader consumer market can suffer.

      No, the lessons are bigger than that.

      If you regulate prices you set the system at that moment into stone, the current winners and losers get fixed into law. Innovation becomes virtually illegal. It isn't just consumers who lose, everyone except the government blessed winners lose. And of course the government itself which gains power and can be assured the support of those who depend upon it for monopoly rents.

      In short, government price fixing, regulation and government in general are BAD. Some government is a necessary evil at this point in our philosophical development but we must realize that it is always evil and thus to me kept carefully chained lest it destroy us. Worse than fire or even fissile material.

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    3. Re:So the lesson is... by jipn4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is an argument that the continued existence of a healthy ecosystem

      What's "healthy" about a large number of small book stores with limited selection? And why do you need bookstores and publishers at all if there are electronic reading devices?

      In this particular case I do not know the details of how well that ecosystem has been protected and how much of a benefit it is

      I haven't been able to find any numbers on it either, and the people arguing for price controls don't cite any figures either. If they did, it would probably show that they aren't working.

    4. Re:So the lesson is... by macshit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is an argument that the continued existence of a healthy ecosystem

      What's "healthy" about a large number of small book stores with limited selection?

      Taken together, all the small (and of course, not all independent bookstores are small...) bookstores likely end up having a larger selection than the apparently-large-but-actually-kind-of-monotonous-and-generic selection of big chain bookstores. Moreover, because there's a lot more individual taste used in choosing books, there's better support for non-mainstream material; I imagine that's what the GP was referring to.

      And why do you need bookstores and publishers at all if there are electronic reading devices?

      I guess you're just trolling a bit, but like many people, I like bookstores, and am willing to pay more when buying a book in a nice environment. Amazon's nice too, in its own way, but ... not the same.

      Remember back when there was a kind of meme that said "in the future, we won't need to prepare food, we'll just eat food pills!"?

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  3. Another e-book story... by Starker_Kull · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that hits all the same notes. E-books will take over the world, why are the German publishing houses sticking their heads in the sand, etc. I've thought about it quite a bit, since I have a strong personal preference for printed books, and have debated the topic with passionate advocates of e-books. I've come to a few conclusions:

    1) The advantages that printed books have over e-books in terms of convenience will go away over the next 15 years. Limited resolution (200 ppi e-ink vs. 600+ ppi for print), limited battery life, bulk, storage capacity, etc., not to mention cost (not just direct, but transportation, storage, disposal, etc.), will all favor e-books in 15 years. Resolution (my particular nit) will probably take the longest, but it will happen.

    2) I doubt a personal e-book 'reader' will last long in the marketplace. It's too big and bulky to be 'just' an e-book reader. Why not make it a web-browser? 95% percent of what you need to do that is there. E-mail? Terminal access? A cell phone with a bluetooth earbud? A movie watcher? It will become a general purpose computing device just like cell phones are becoming.

    3) It won't succeed until an Apple-like company makes it so stunningly easy to use and manage that its advantages are clear. A cellphone and a smart cellphone are quite similar, so the idea of an iPhone/Treo (a general purpose computer that happens to be a cell phone) was not so hard to get accepted. A tablet-like device has no commonly existing parellel right now, and the existing examples are weak, to put it mildly. It will have to be wildly simple and pleasant to use...

    4) Once most books are no longer printed, it remains an open question whether it will make censorship of ideas easier or harder. I haven't been able to come up with a convincing argument either way. DRM is also still an open question, although you can make a good argument that a DRMed device will fail in the marketplace. Maybe.

    There will be a great e-book reader one day, but it won't be called that. It will be part of a package that can do far more.

    1. Re:Another e-book story... by Aceticon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An e-book doesn't look the same, doesn't smell the same and doesn't feel the same as a paper book.

      It's the same reason why those that can afford it have fireplaces at home: a good wood fire in a fireplace is a pleasure to one's senses.

      E-books are likely to sooner or latter dominate the utility space of literature (reference manuals, newspapers, magazines) provided they're cheaper than what they replace (which isn't happening at the moment). This is the same space where the Internet has already significantly displaced paper-books (hands up anybody that still uses paper encyclopedias...) so we might bypass the e-book stage altogether.

      What is more doubtful is if they will ever replace paper books in the pleasure space of literature (those books you read for the pleasure of it while lying in our sofa with a nice cappuccino, put down in your bookshelf when you're done and pull out a year or two later to read again) much less the home decoration space of literature (hardcover books with fancy covers for looking pretty in a bookshelf).

  4. Re:I don't think it's that much different, here by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For large publishers, printing/binding/shipping/warehousing costs these days don't run more than $1-3 per book, so it's not too surprising that the e-books would only be discounted a few dollars.

  5. German market peculiarities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the deal: Yes, Germany and Austria have a regulated market for books in German (only!), meaning no price-based competition as the publishers set a binding minimum retail price with only a few exceptions like going-out-of-business sales, damaged books and stuff, but the principle remains. Amazon may throw in free shipping, but apart from that must not undercut brick-and-mortar stores. Go figure...

    That said: the prices are set by the publisher. There is nothing to prevent them from having different prices for different editions. Just as a hardcover costs more than a paperback, an ebook could be even cheaper. Their call.

  6. Other Issues by trydk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Today I had a nice, long bath with John Grisham.

    Well, not the author in person, but his book, The Street Lawyer. Paperback version.

    I would have been rather more reluctant to do the same with a Kindle (or equivalent) edition, as I am pretty sure a dip in the water would render it beyond repair.

    I cannot be the only one who occasionally loses a paperback to whatever unfortunate events that pass me by. (Temporary insanity and such.) I have provided Dublin Airport with one (I got my camera back, which had been impounded by security guards), an assortment of hotels, planes and trains have got their share and for some odd reason I have never found my lost PDA. (The interesting stuff was encrypted, thank you very much.)

    The thing for me (and quite a few other people, I am sure) is that the loss of a paperback may be unfortunate but not a major setback, whereas the loss of an eBook reader is more than just annoying.

    1. Re:Other Issues by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try comparing the packing of a Kindle versus 3-4 paperbacks on a long journey. Some of us have to fly around quite a bit for our work.

      If you are into serial novels, it is great that when I'm done reading book 3 I can immediately purchase and start reading book 4. I might not want to buy all the books ahead, because sometimes the series just isn't worth reading all the way through. And more often than not the bookstores quit stocking my series before I'm finished reading it.

      I think the advantages of ebooks outweighs the disadvantages. There are disadvantages, and you pointed out one. Of course destroying a $300 reader in the bath tub is terrible. But on the other hand if your house floods and destroys 100 of your favorite books that is perhaps worse because it took you not just money but time to build up a collection. With ebooks, you can smash your reader and still have the ebooks available.

      I think the last obstacle to ebooks being a real alternative to print books is when they let go of the DRM nonsense and start using a format that works on more than one or two devices.

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  7. Is America really all that different? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... only one in 12 Germans has a clear idea about what an e-book is, and seven out of 10 of them would prefer a printed version over a digital one.

    Maybe a higher percentage of Americans than Germans know what an ebook is - maybe not. But my gut tells me that we probably match up similarly in terms of preferring a printed book over a digital book, since I hear that all the time (even from a fair number of techies).

    I have no doubt the tech will continue to evolve until someone gets it right, and finally makes digital more convenient than paper. It's not there yet, except for the small number of people that use multiple books at the same time (e.g. students) - and even in those cases, DRM, non-availability of many titles, and other issues deleteriously affect their ebook experience.

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    1. Re:Is America really all that different? by Virak · · Score: 2, Informative

      You seem to have completely missed the next sentence, which states that:

      65,000 e-books were sold in Germany in the first 6 months of 2009, vs. almost ten times that number bought per week in the US, in what is still a small niche of the overall book business.

      Sorry, but your gut is pretty severely contradicted by the actual facts. And "I hear that all the time" is not a reasonable basis for making conclusions, as people tend to surround themselves with similar people. About half the people I know use Linux, but it'd be absurd for me to thus conclude that Linux's marketshare in the general population is anywhere near that high.

  8. Audiobooks seems to be the trend by jaclu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whilst not suitable for reference material, audiobooks seems much more suitable for portable usage. No big screen device to carry arround, and you get to keep your eyes for other purposes - driving, cycling, looking where you are walking etc.

    At least in Sweden, the audiobook scene have exploded the last couple of years, many books are released as audios at the same time as the first print hardcovers hit the bookstores.

    We even have a few online streaming services for listening to audiobooks directly from the phone/computer without the hazzle of first downloading or copying CD discs to the desired listening device.

    Not everybody likes to listen to books, and more odd titles propably wont be recorded, but for the titles available it's quite convenient.

    1. Re:Audiobooks seems to be the trend by masmullin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is also an audiobook vs real book issue. I think audiobooks totally have their place, but they are not w/o their flaws (you can stop paying attention and its hard to "reread the last paragraph" like a book).

  9. That's a scary thought by AnotherUsername · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I pray that you are wrong. I triy to imagine future anthropologists and historians trying to figure out what life was like during our time, and if your idea comes true, they will have nothing to base their studies on. Paper is valuable because, unlike a computer(which your hypothetical all-in-one e-book reader appears to be), it doesn't require electricity to read, file formats are a nonissue(as long as you can understand the language, you can read it), and as long as it is kept in good environmental conditions, it will last much longer in a usable form. If books ever completely go away, historical studies of our time are doomed before they begin.

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    1. Re:That's a scary thought by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or do you think books would last longer?

      Actually, yes. Well-preserved printed books can and do last for centuries. We have no idea if any of our current storage techniques will last anywhere near that long, manufacturers bombastic claims of extended lifetimes notwithstanding. What electronic storage (optical, magnetic, quantum, whatever) does do is allow for data to be more conveniently transferred to new media when the older stuff begins to wear out. But that requires a lot of maintenance and awareness ... Google seems to be doing well at it, so far, but then again Google is a private corporation that may or may not be here in ten years, or twenty or a hundred. NASA, for example, is losing tons of data from the early years of the space program because they can't find enough old equipment to restore the information. They waited too long, and such data loss scenarios play out pretty regularly.

      A typical hard drive, such as that used by every server farm in existence, will become unreadable long before a paper book will. Solid-state memories may have greater lifetime ... or they may not. Flash memories self-discharge over time: plenty long enough for typical use but not for archival storage. Optical systems are probably the best bet to date, but they are also subject to degradation, and it doesn't take much to make a disc unreadable.

      What it comes down to is that if we want to make sure critical information is kept around in case civilization crashes, we'd better keep the important stuff on paper. I always thought, heck, even if an apocalyptic Mad Max event occurs, there will plenty of knowledge stored in the world's libraries to help us rebuild. Knowledge that will help us skip the thousands of years it took our ancestors to go from playing with bits of stone to flying spacecraft. Nowadays ... I don't know. The trend towards purely electronic storage is well under way, and libraries full of printed books will soon be considered obsolete. The day may come when we start dismantling them. Would that be wise?

      Put it like this: if things go all to Hell (and technic civilization is more fragile than you think, just ask Charlton Heston) we'll be unable to retrieve squat from Google's servers. We will, however, be able to read books. If we fall so far that we can't even do that, well, I don't suppose it would matter very much.

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  10. No thanks by ISurfTooMuch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just don't see e-books catching on. Even if the technology matures to make them just as legible as a printed book, that isn't the thing that will make them popular. It's a convenience thing. For example, my wife just bought a few books the other day. Yesterday, she loaned one to her mom, who read it and returned it. And today, she loaned it to her sister, who took it back home with her, which is several hundred miles away. Now, while this process COULD be easier with an e-book, since you could easily transfer the file over the Internet, the publishers will never allow this. Not only that, but good luck selling e-books you've already read to someone else.

    Finally, there's the issue of longevity. Books can last for hundreds of years if they're printed on acid-free paper and properly cared for. With an e-book, while the file could be preserved, you run into the issue of making sure a reader manufactured, say, 200 years from now can still open it. I'm sure you could write data conversion software to keep the files current, but I think the publishers would resist, since they'd want you to buy new versions of the same work. And, unless you have multiple backups, one catastrophic media failure could wipe out your entire library.

    1. Re:No thanks by Boomerang+Fish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that all of these are valid issues, and I do think the 15 year estimate someone above posited is optimistic, however none of these are insurmountable. I think we probably will see wide-spread acceptance of ebooks/readers but it's gonna take a generation or two of people for whom online services like facebook, etc. have been with them practically since birth.

      My daughter can't believe my parents bought me an encyclopedia set when I was in high school... in her world, if it's not online, then it's gotta be somewhere "special" -- to her encyclopedias belong in a library.

      As technology gets better and more pervasive, as publishers realize they can cut costs, perhaps after existing contracts for suppliers, etc. are up for renewal, they will migrate, though I doubt the printed word will disappear completely.

      As to the issues with sharing a book, if an ebook cost me $1, I can easily see me buying it multiple times throughout my life if it's one I like or use a lot. And since I'm assuming that most of these services have a site where I can track and re-download stuff I've purchased, it's not that hard of a step to allow me to temporarily assign my rights to a given product to another user... after all, it's just data.

      As to data recovery, I will admit we haven't done to well with that, what with tapes and floppies that can't even be read anymore, but we (the geeks) also know this is a concern... it CAN be dealt with, if planned for. I mean, how many DVD drives can't read CD-Roms? (I know, very similar tech in terms of physical characteristics, etc, but the point is newer methods don't HAVE to break older technologies unless it truly is a fundamental change in mechanism/methodology.

      We'll get there, but when the next couple of generations expect it and think we're crazy for "reading asynchronous BBS postings at 300 baud" (Daddy, what's a "baud"?), not when you and I think it's ready.

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  11. Funeral eulogy for the german book marker by mseeger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hi,

    since i am german and an ebook user for several years (iRexx Iliad), i would like to comment on that:

    • It is very hard to purchase german ebooks. Only a small percantage of all books is actually offered as an ebook. If they are published at all, the ebook version comes months or even years later.
    • The german book market is heavily regulated and publishers/authors are mostly happy with the status quo. The ebook is seen as "a disturbance of the force" and therefor not appreciated. Publishers already try to get lawmakers to extend the regulation to ebooks as well.
    • Germanys "Intelligenzija" (from which a lot of authors are recruited) is notorical hostile towards technology.
    • The primary clients for ebooks are geeks and technology friendly young adults. Those can read books in english. Since those are even a lot of cheaper, germanys ebook shoppers buy beyond the border (e.g. i have 200 ebooks from Baen.
    • The trend of germans reading "english" literature is already demonstrated by Amazon Germany having an own category "English books". Patrick Rothfuss fulminant debut with "Name of the wind" costs 25 Euro as a german book or 7 Euro as an english one (both including S&H).
    • The early adopters of technology typically read a large share of Science Fiction & Fantasy... not a strength of german authors (few exceptions). SF&F is still frowned at, not considered to be "real literature" here. This also drives readers into exile.

    Like the music industry the publishers are currently comitting sucide due to the fear of death. By trying to preserve the status quo, they are scaring away a big part of their future customers. Ebooks are only a symptom here.

    I have purchased and read about 1.000+ books during the last 25 years. Due to a still progressing carreer, my budget is rising. But i am less and less inclined to spend it on the local market.

    Sincerely yours, Martin

  12. books vs. ebooks by David+Jao · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The whole dichotomy over printed books vs. ebooks just seems strange. You don't have to choose one or the other, you can have both. And you don't need a special ebook device; most of the key benefits of electronic books are available on an ordinary laptop with a PDF reader.

    This is, of course, assuming that the publishers and lobbyists get it right, and don't destroy the entire product category out of greed.

    Advantages of ebooks that you will never get in a printed book:

    • Text search. This is especially important in academics and research. You want to find where a phrase is defined and you don't want to read the whole book to find it. An index is a far inferior alternative.
    • Did I mention search? Well, it's not limited to just one book. You can go online to google books and search for a phrase in every book ever published. This achievement is stunning when you think about it. The fact that publishers seem determined to kill this golden goose with their greed is pretty depressing.
    • Portability. Sure, if you have one single book vs. one Kindle, the comparison is pretty favorable towards the book. But a Kindle can hold several hundred books, and a laptop can hold tens of thousands. When traveling, it's not even a question of books vs. ebooks, since 10000 printed books are physically impossible to carry with you. Oh, and of course, you can perform text search across all those books too.
    • Ease of copying and backup. The publishers hate this one, and try to do everything they can to prevent it, but for the user it's a boon.

    Of course, printed books have advantages too: higher resolution, low tech, can read in bathtub, doesn't matter as much if you lose one. So there is room for both formats in this world. What would make sense is for publishers to automatically supply the electronic rights to anyone who purchases a physical volume. That would greatly increase the value proposition in a book purchase, and (dare I say) expand their market and profits. It's frustrating that everyone except the publishers themselves seems to realize this.

    Well, that last bit has an important and noteworthy exception. In academic publishing (journals and such), it is the norm rather than the exception for publishers to provide electronic rights to libraries and institutions that purchase the corresponding physical copy. So there is hope that the rest of the industry can come to their senses in time.

    It's worth mentioning that technological progress (if not stymied by the copyright lobby) will eventually bring to ebooks all the advantages of printed books, whereas no amount of progress (short of replacing books with ebooks) will allow printed books to compete with the advantages of ebooks. The resolution of ebooks will improve, and it is at least conceivable that they can be engineered to last months on a single battery charge, or be waterproof, or become cheap enough that you wouldn't mind losing the hardware (the content will, of course, be easy to back up, once the DRM fetish subsides). So, for now, we have a choice of printed books vs. ebooks, but in the future I see ebooks taking over.

    1. Re:books vs. ebooks by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The whole dichotomy over printed books vs. ebooks just seems strange

      Some of the arguments here from people really come from those who have not actually tried the eink readers and really should not be commenting on them until they do. I mostly agree with your listed advantages and analysis but i think you missed the most important feature of ebook readers here and it has led to a very false premise.

      1)The key benefit of ebook readers are NOT available on PDAs and laptops. Eink technology makes the screen look like paper. That means that us technology friendly people who stare at screens all day as part of our job will not get the serious eye strain associated with reading ebooks from back lighted monitors. (at least anymore than reading a printed book)
      Any technology that does not have this is simply a non-starter for most people. This is the SINGLE feature has allowed the ebook revolution to begin, period.
      Every other aspect of ebooks themselves existed before with little effect.
      2) Amazon, public libraries and google's foray into ebooks is on the backs of eink (or similar) readers. Ebooks have no future with LCD alone. Most of the momentum that is building at the moment is speculative based on the future ebook reader. (e.g. projected sales this Christmas) Amazon sees it coming and wants to corner the market.
      3) The resolution of e-ink is PERFECTLY FINE for the printed word. Pictures and high-res diagrams may struggle, but for the printed word it is PERFECTLY FINE.
      This is a straw man argument based on some very erroneous assumptions are specs vs real life usability.
      4)There are many book publishers out there NOT doing DRM or platform restricted books. Amazon has become the "slavering corporate dog" here by its recent DRM actions and restrictions, but it is easily circumvented at the moment via other distributors. They know this, hence their very early push into this market.
      Personally I would stay right away from the kindle. They have already shown what they are all about with the "1984" saga, but their use of DRM is also a worry.

    2. Re:books vs. ebooks by David+Jao · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any technology that does not have this [e-ink] is simply a non-starter for most people. This is the SINGLE feature has allowed the ebook revolution to begin, period.

      It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I love e-ink as much as the next person but it is NOT the most important feature of e-books. It's not even fourth or fifth on the list. You can get all of the paper-friendly advantages of e-ink just by ... printing the book out on paper. Printers are old technology.

      The ebook revolution coincides with e-ink in terms of timing, but that's just because it took computers this long to catch up to the point where ebooks are becoming useful. Before a couple of years ago, google books did not have every book, laptops were bulky and heavy, disk space was more expensive, and of course less content was available. I should also mention, though, that if you consider niche categories like academic publishing, rather than the mass market, electronic journals already became dominant several years ago, because PDFs are so vastly superior to paper for research work.

      I've used both eink and LCDs. I have average eyes (neither great nor poor). I find backlit LCDs perfectly acceptable. Most of the eyestrain from LCDs comes from the low resolution of monitors, and from sitting upright at a desktop staring straight at a fixed location for hours on end. The low resolution is greatly mitigated by subpixel antialiasing (which some people apparently hate, although I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would hate it). Get a PDF reader that supports subpixel antialiasing for fonts. Couple that with a book-sized laptop (again, only recently available) and there's no great visual advantage to e-ink displays. E-ink of course wins on battery life, but backlighting has its advantages too; for example, it's easier to read in the dark, or in low light.

  13. skip the lame blog link, read the Spiegel article by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The first link is to a lame, short, not very interesting blog post. The second link is to the full article (in English) in Der Spiegel.

    The Der Spiegel article criticizes the traditional publishing industry for price fixing (with some help from government), but it uncritically parrots the traditional music industry's party line about copyright violation, and then uncritically makes the analogy with books. It assumes that copyright-violating sharing of music is wholly to blame for the fact that the music industry isn't as profitable as it would like to be be, without mentioning the possibility that people were unhappy with the choices the music industry was putting out, and unhappy with being expected to pay $16 for a CD that only had 2 or 3 good tracks on it. It also never mentions DRM.

    In general, I don't think it's a good idea to lump together all kinds of books as if they were the same. Selling a Dan Brown book in hardcover is different from selling it as a mass market paperback, which in turn is different from selling a used copy, which is also different from borrowing a copy from a friend or from the public library. Copyrighted e-books are different from public-domain e-books, and then there are copyrighted books whose authors have intentionally made them free online (see my sig). There is a huge difference between a college textbook and other types of books; prices of college textbooks have gone up much faster than inflation in recent decades, and that's happened because the people who made the textbook selection decisions were the professors, while the people who had to pay were the students.

    Most published authors don't make much money from most kinds of books. Never have and never will. What the traditional publishers would like to see is a world in which that continues to be the case, but DRM on e-books makes it impossible for people to buy used books, share books with friends, or borrow books from the public library.

  14. Re:I don't think it's that much different, here by Fizzol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The funny thing is publishers complained for years about the physical cost of books, and used it as a base for low writer royalties. Once that was taken out the equation by ebooks, then suddenly it's all about the cost of editing and layout and so on. Someone along the line wasn't telling the truth, and I'm not inclined to start believing the publishers now.

  15. Re:I don't think it's that much different, here by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The funny thing is publishers complained for years about the physical cost of books, and used it as a base for low writer royalties.

    Hollywood accounting. If you believe the studio execs, no movie actually makes any money.

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  16. Same as in France alright by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Same kind of stupidity here, esp. the part about the intellectual elite. Fucking douchebags hate the internet, and the internet hates them in turn.

    I would point out that the US situation is not significantly different wrt ebooks. When you factor out the difference in book prices, US ebooks (and audiobooks) are still way overpriced, close to the hardcover price.

    Well in fact it's the electronic delivery that's fucked up. I love audiobooks, so that I can "read" while on bicycle, and I wanted to buy Bob Woodward's "the War Within." It's $24 in hardcover, and $20 through Audible.com. But I can't buy through audible, because the sons of bitches insist on fucktarded DRM, and don't support Linux anyway. So instead I bought it in CD format from a third party, for $10 shipping included. It's a complete waste, since I'm just going to waste time ripping it.

    Ebooks should be much cheaper than physical ones. Until they stop treating their customers like shit, they deserve all the piracy they get. Fucking fucktards.

  17. I don't know about the Germans, but by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    as a neighbour from France, which is culturally kinda close I guess, I don't grok the idea of buying content, but not really owning it, being at risk of losing it at any time, either short-term (Amazon pulling it, my reader getting stolen...) or medium/long term (Amazon going out of that business, their readers starting to suck...)

    I'd like a Digital Ownership Law, clearly asserting
    - resale rights
    - loan rights
    - transfer rights (to another reader)
    - backup rights
    - standardized DRM with a backup infrastructure in case the initial provider can no longer authenticate content/users.

    Right now, Amazon's plan looks like MS's and Apple's: get user lock-in DRM / format / training / force of habit / DRM.

    I think the next generation of readers, wich will probably be more geared towards replacing magazines, and hopefully integrating the magazines with an on-line community, will have more appeal over here.

    PS: I am reading books an a Palm right now, so I'm not allergic to the concept. Buyers' rights just seem inexistant right now.

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