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Windows 7 Released Early In UK

CNETNate writes "UK customers have been reporting that they received their copies of Windows 7 in the mail today. Currently the British postal service is threatening industrial action over pay, and planned walkouts may result in Windows 7 not being delivered on its release date. It is understood that Microsoft has agreed to let some retailers send out copies early to avoid disappointment, and to make the UK the first country in the world to have Windows 7 in customers' hands."

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  1. Who'd have thought... by Flibberdy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that this postal strike actually has some kind of benefit to the general public? And kudos to MS for allowing this to happen, some good PR they got going there.

    1. Re:Who'd have thought... by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've noticed a few companies using this as a marketing device.

      "Free UK delivery" (for a limited time)
      "No postal delays!" (posted using a different service)

      I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.

    2. Re:Who'd have thought... by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll be honest; I'm not sure why there's so much delay before the general release anyhow. The RTM build was signed off on months ago, and went up for MSDN subscribers (a very small portion of the general public, but often people with very little connection to MS) only a few days later. At my school, through the MSDN Academic Alliance program (free MS software to endingeering students) we've been able to get Win7 for some weeks (and via http://dreamspark.com/ all students with a .edu email address can get Server 2008 R2, the server version of the Win7 release).

      So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.

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    3. Re:Who'd have thought... by rvw · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Free UK delivery"

      I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.

      I think FUK=D would be an appropriate and somehow cheesy term.

    4. Re:Who'd have thought... by asdf7890 · · Score: 4, Informative

      So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.

      Basically: getting enough manufactured to cover initial demand and getting those units shipped to retailers. Many retailers might have had boxed copies in their warehouses weeks ago but they will have signed a deal saying they won't make them available until the official release date in order for the public release to be coordinated in all territories.

      As well as accounting for manufacturing processes and regional shipment delays, they will have also allowed extra time for other unexpected extensions to these delays and other issues. There would also be a final test phase of the activation infrastructure to fit in too, to ensure it can cope with the sudden glut of activity on, and shortly after, release day.

      There is also co-ordination with OEMs to consider. They would not be happy with retail copies going out before they had chance to update and test their offerings in time for release date - yes MS has them over a barrel to a certain extent so could tell them to go hang if it wanted to, but this isn't the right climate to be annoying major customers in. There are probably other marketing reasons to pick a coordinated date near, but not at, the end of the year too.

      Releasing to MSDN subscribers is much easier. Most are download-only subscriptions now so just put the ISOs on subscriptions.msdn.microsoft.com and there is no need for physical anything never mind coordinated physical anything. For subscribers who still get disks that is just a plain DVD (and/or ISO files on a plain DVD) with no fancy hologram label and no box or other additional materials. It is not expected that developers have to wait for coordinated retail release, so there are no OEM concerns to worry about (in fact the OEMs would prefer developers to have early access - it will reduce problems and returns at their end of the market if there is less stuff out there with compatibility issues by release day).

    5. Re:Who'd have thought... by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 2, Funny

      We'll get to throw those awesome Windows 7 launch parties, remember?

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    6. Re:Who'd have thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well duh. In the same way Windows Genuine Advantage is an advantage.

    7. Re:Who'd have thought... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Funny

      And there's coordination with support providers: call centers need to retrain staff and write new support "scripts" for their personnel. And the manufacturers of other software, such as Microsoft Office need time to get the secret internal documentation of available libraries and toolkits so they can weave it into their releases. And third party hardware and software providers need a chance to test and integrate their components with Microsoft's release, or they may repeat what happened with Vista and ignore the release.

    8. Re:Who'd have thought... by sqldr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "How is that a benefit?"

      I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some people have to use windows, in spite of the fact that they hate it. Anyone who has had the misfortune to suffer with Vista will now be rejoicing that windows 7, which pretty much amounts to a bugfix version of vista with the added bonus of a taskbar which almost makes sense, a graphics driver that might actually work, the ability to boot in under 20 minutes, and all in an operating system where the beta version I've been running for the last couple of months was actually more stable than the officially released crock of arse that was vista.

      This all contributes to removing some of the pain from the occasions where I have to select the "other" option in grub.

      That said, I won't be inviting my friends round for a release party. Sorry.

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    9. Re:Who'd have thought... by mlts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I were to hazard a guess, it would be so that any possible show-stopper bugs would be found and hopefully fixed before the public got their hands on the copy and the rumor game started up.

      MS was bitten by this with Vista. Once Joe Sixpack heard from his friend who is slightly more technical than he was, that Vista sucked (even though the reasons why were not listed), Vista rapidly got a bad reputation that it could not shake even with multiple service packs and several generations of hardware. With Windows 7, should there be any real nasty issues (and so far, there are not), Microsoft has some lead time to get them pushed to Windows Update before the product faces judgment by the masses.

    10. Re:Who'd have thought... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'll be honest; I'm not sure why there's so much delay before the general release anyhow.

      Microsoft is carefully stage-managing the hype.

      They are well aware that they need a win, some way to coax computer users off XP without frightening them into jumping off the Windows ship altogether. They can't take a risk by producing an innovative or interesting OS, but they still need to generate some excitement to erase all the bad feeling generated by Vista.

      So they release a mildly facelifted version of their failed OS, rely on improved hardware to mask the worst of the sluggishness and hype it to the max.

      Profit.

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    11. Re:Who'd have thought... by jonadab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Windows 7. Benefit. How is that a benefit?

      It might depend on what you've been using up to this point. It is *arguable* that if you've been using Windows Vista (perhaps because you bought a new computer that came with it and didn't bother to install anything else yet), Windows 7 might be an improvement.

      I personally am not convinced of this. I think the gratuitous UI weirdness in 7, and the inability to turn off some of the unwanted new features, makes it worse than Vista. For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window? To me that's a usability disaster.

      But many people disagree with me. If you look around on the internet, it's not hard at all to find people claiming that Windows 7 is *vastly* superior to Vista.

      And ultimately it doesn't really matter that much what *I* think about 7, because the chances of my ever switching my main workstation to any version of Windows are negligible anyhow. I place too much value on the ability to customize my system and get it working exactly the way I like, and Windows has never been any good for that.

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    12. Re:Who'd have thought... by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it. I ran Linux on my desktop for a couple of years and moved back to Windows around SP1 of XP; I simply prefer it.

    13. Re:Who'd have thought... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Funny
      What would qualify as an "innovative or interesting OS"

      Are you guys SO desperate for ideas for Win 8 that you have to ask random Slashdotters for hints?

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    14. Re:Who'd have thought... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why if the UK Post Office goes on strike, and nobody notices, because UPS, FedEx, and other private companies (plus email) fill the gap? It would be ironic if the Government Strike proves that the government-run service is no longer needed.

      Hmmmm.

      I hope the U.S. Post Office goes on strike next. Who need them? Not me.

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    15. Re:Who'd have thought... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know it's heresy on /. but Windows 7 is actually quite good. Seriously.

      Maybe we can now just stop all the holy wars and live in peace and harmony while celebrating the diversity of software available. I can dream can't I? :)

      PS. Steve Jobs smells.

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    16. Re:Who'd have thought... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's all wrong.

      Your OS shouldn't be shiny, showy, or dazzling. It shouldn't be interesting. It should exist simply as a framework for launching other programs, and it should do so in as unobtrustive and as small a manner as possible. If you're taking up resources that should otherwise go to productive programs, you are stealing from me.

      When I'm diving, I wear fins so I can move around underwater and I use a regulator so I have air. I don't want to be thinking "wow, this is a great regulator" or "these fins are fantastic". I want to be thinking about what kind of fish that is, or how that coral looks in the light.

      When I'm doing renovations on my house, I don't want to think about how nice or innovative the power company is. I want to think about how to cut the wood to fit or what colour to paint the finished product.

      By the same token, I don't want to think about how my OS works. I want to use the tools that the OS allows me to use.

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    17. Re:Who'd have thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not going to happen. For large business needs, maybe. But even then, the Royal Mail beats its competitors hands down on price, which really matters when you start talking in bulk terms.

      Is it really worth paying up to 10 times as much to get it one day early? Especially when you consider the sorting offices for post offices are local and often within 1-2 miles of you address. Whereas the FedEx style companies have only one office/distribution centre and its always outside of town/city in some crappy industrial estate with no bus service to it. So if you miss the package you have to fork out almost as much as it cost you to have it delivered in the first place and go through the inconvenience.

      I've had no problems with company itself (it's a private company btw, despite its name) just a few of their staff. My problems with my postie were dealt with extremely fast and not only was he fired, but they promptly called the police in and my stolen mail was returned :)

    18. Re:Who'd have thought... by CrossChris · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've noticed a few companies using this as a marketing device.

      It's been really funny to see the first Windows 7 targeted malware - there are several trojans and even more "scareware" nonsense. The malware writers obviously assume (often correctly) that early adopters of Windows 7 will be the usual knuckle-draggers who persist in using Windows brokenware and the Windoze fanboys who are mostly too stupid to install their own operating systems...

  2. Already on sale in Israel... by ZP-Blight · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only the U.K.,
    Windows 7 is already on sale in Israel.

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    1. Re:Already on sale in Israel... by lukas84 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We were able to order Windows 7 OEM, Retail and Upgrade licenses on the 15th. We received the first ones on the 16th.

      This is in no way unusual...

    2. Re:Already on sale in Israel... by Meumeu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well it is the year 5770 in Israel.

      And still no flying cars...

  3. Germany too by DaPhil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows 7 has been available through amazon.de for some time now, and is being delivered as well. Nothing to see here, move along.

    1. Re:Germany too by jrumney · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is going to be a bit disappointing for all those people who organized Windows 7 launch parties to celebrate the moment. All four of them.

  4. Netherlands was first by thrakkattack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a release party in the small Dutch village of Zevenhuizen (' Seven houses') , last Saturday: http://www.windowszeven.nl/Windows_7_nieuws.php?post=76

  5. It has been released in China as well by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 5, Funny

    It costs just about 3 USD, probably its fair value...

  6. Re:Pfff.... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It would be like 9/11 times 100."
    "You mean..."
    "Yes. Ninenty-one thousand, one hundred."

    Disclaimer: Yes, the geek in me wanted to say 81.812 as well. Don't feel bad.

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  7. *I* Care!! by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're totally spoiling my launch party! After I spent all day organizing my "Activities" and picking my favorite "Features" to share with everyone! Now they'll all go to someone else's launch party the day before.

    The hell with them, I'm installing FreeBSD then.

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  8. Re:Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Informative

    When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog.

    That behaviour has been present in Windows since at least XP - if no window has focus, then the Desktop has focus. Alt-F4 on the Desktop opens the shut down dialogue. There's nothing to fix here, it simply doesn't work the way you think it should.

  9. Not about pay by PhilHibbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Minor correction to the story, the dispute isn't really about pay, it's about changes in working conditions. There are some aspects that cover what counts as overtime so pay is involved, but it's not just "we want more money".

  10. More accurate by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the postal service is threatening industrial inaction over pay?

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  11. Re:Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Informative

    - The absence of a directory up button in the explorer. No I don't want to use alt-up when I'm with my hand on the mouse and don't get me started on the horrifying location bar!

    Wait, backspace doesn't work anymore?! (Not using Vista, can't verify.) Yes, the location bar is a pain, but clicking the empty region gets you to the editable path box – directory structure delimited by backslashes, as you wanted.

    - When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog. I just want to close my apps dammit!

    Jesus Christ, and hitting "Esc" is too much trouble for you? It's not like this is unexpected or new behavior (as the other responder has pointed out).

    You want a close-all hotkey? Never existed. You want it added? That's not a "fix", it's an addition.

    - The absence of a 'Don't ask me for permission to confirm system changes until next session' option in UAC.

    That's called "turning UAC off", and while discouraged it's entirely possible.

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  12. Re:The UK isn't a country by socsoc · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, we make fun of the welsh, just like you do.

  13. This strike is about more than just pay by Nick+Ives · · Score: 2, Informative

    At my place of work we can receive up to 20,000 items of Royal Mail each day. During the last strikes in '07 the Communication Workers Union message was that the manager's "modernisation" plan was really just a massive cut in service whereas RM management claimed they were just trying to eliminate "Spanish practices".

    Immediately after the imposition of the managers plan the quality of the service we receive decreased substantially. It used to be the case that we'd receive about 80% of our post by 7:30 with the rest arriving by about 11:00 at the latest. Nowadays we receive anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of our post by around 8:00ish (sometimes a little later) with the rest turning up by about noon. This is because RM have stopped people coming in an hour early to help sort the post (for which they received a small bonus) and also cut down or eliminated the overnight shifts in most sorting offices.

    Obviously this makes planning the workflow each day challenging. It used to be the case that we'd have a clear idea of our intake first thing in the morning and so people would know straight away which jobs were going to be busiest and whether or not it'd be possible to use flexi-time to leave early that day; these days we just have to take it as it goes.

    This has knock on effects for our customer as essentially we're dealing with a RM "failure" each day meaning we're not in breach of our contract for failing to supply all the post on time to them. The solution we agreed for that was to treat the late post as having come in the next day which, considering the time-sensitive nature of our work and the effect delays could have on the customers our customer serves, is a pretty poor outcome.

    Most posties take an enormous amount of pride in their work and they're angry at how Adam Crozier and chums are tearing the service apart. I'm sure the problems we get due to the cuts in RM are being experienced elsewhere too at a cost to UK business, so support the CWU in their campaign to save Royal Mail!

    Also, the timing of this strike is the responsibility of RM management. They're the one's who made an unacceptable offer just before Christmas and, because of the way the Trade Union laws in this country work, the CWU had to ballot for strike action now. This is clearly a PR stunt by the RM managers so they can put out a message of "look at the greedy posties trying to ruin Christmas!". It's utterly shameful, don't fall for it.

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  14. Re:Bugger by node+3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Given that we're talking about the UK getting it early, I don't think "bugger" is the best term to use for a Windows launch... Actually, come to think of it, I take that back.