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History In Video Games — a Closer Look

scruffybr writes "Whether it's World War 2, the American Wild West or ancient Greece, history has long provided a rich source of video game narrative. Historical fact has been painstakingly preserved in some games, yet distorted beyond all recognition in others. Whereas one game may be praised for its depiction of history, others have been lambasted for opening fresh wounds or glorifying tragic events of our near past. Games have utilized historical narrative extensively, but to what extent does the platform take liberties with, and perhaps misuse it?"

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  1. It honestly is just which politics you are... by Umuri · · Score: 4, Funny

    For example, if you are a nazi, then you probably think 90% of video games are horrible, slanderous, libelous, and a gross distortion of history.

    If you're not, you probably find them fun.

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    1. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by cjfs · · Score: 5, Funny

      +1 Godwin's law first post.

    2. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The official statement of Godwin's Law is:

      As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

      Not reference, comparison. Source

    3. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by Razalhague · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously guys, he called everyone who doesn't like video games a nazi. If you can't see it, you're not trying interpret his post hard enough.

    4. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn, Godwin's Law Nazis!

    5. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by lanceran · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, you're a topic NAZI!

    6. Re:It honestly is just which politics you are... by pregister · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except the French.

  2. Where is the news? by mseeger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The same thing has happened in the movies. Often historical events were only used as distorted background. And movies are as games made for entertainment purposes. So what counts is entertainment value not historical accuracy.

    CU, Martin

    1. Re:Where is the news? by zwei2stein · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People tend to actually take these things as fairly accurate depictions of what it really was like. Its just another one for nation of dum'.

      Hell, even evening news are made with 'It does not have to be real, just entertaining' motto.

      (And I shudder what future archaeologists with do with our pop culture as source material ... any history geek will tell you how average Joes understanding of history nowadays was pretty fucked up Shakespeare & co.).

      I'd consider entertainment value quite awesome, but then you end up with people who have no idea about past, or are comfortable about fact that 'history' can be 'adjusted' to fit better whatever you agenda is. And that is worrying, even if it is just for entertainment.

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    2. Re:Where is the news? by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Athenians did not surrender either. They threw the Persians in a pit after putting them on trial.

      At least there was a process.

  3. Non issue by iamapizza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a bloody video game. They have no obligation to you to be historically accurate, it's just a "standard" that we've set amongst ourselves probably out of boredom. Go cry about something else please. If you want accuracy (arguable), then read a history book.

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    1. Re:Non issue by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could say that about novels, too, yet people complain about Dan Brown's historical inaccuracies to no end.

    2. Re:Non issue by Jurily · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a bloody video game. They have no obligation to you to be historically accurate,

      Of course not. It's just that most players can't tell the difference between the realistic parts and the fiction.

    3. Re:Non issue by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's more than that. It is my opinion that Brown specifically leverages people's misconceptions, prejudices, and even bigotry to make stories that will feed right into their beliefs, and which the more gullible will take as being based on historical fact, all the while claiming, truthfully, that it's all just for fun. He knows this happens. I believe he wants this to happen. Yet, there is plenty of plausible deniability to fall back on. On one hand, he can't help it if some of his audience are uncritical idiots who believe his stories are based on history, but he also has to know, and apparently is willing to accept that this will happen.

      There's no small amount of people fictionalizing history in a way which undoubtedly sows confusion and misunderstanding (Oliver Stone comes to mind), all the while claiming "it's only made up" while simultaneously being aware that many, many people will assume it's based on fact.

      And of course, there's no small amount of people who are simply distorting history to suit their own agendas.

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    4. Re:Non issue by viralburn · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with dan brown is that he categorically states that certain information is based on fact, which is generally not the case.

  4. History is just a conveniently premade "world" by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where you don't have to pay royalties for the ideas. In that sense, in video games, it plays the same role as a franchises such as Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings. Just as with history, with them you get major characters, direction of story (a plot), costumes, backdrop, and "feel".

    Now, I know with anime, most games don't get 'canon' exactly correct. Why should we expect they get history correct? In the end, it's just attribute it to artistic license.

    Moreover, the important part about the study of history isn't specific facts about narrow things, but the recognition of repeatable patterns due to human nature, and avoiding the same mistakes twice. For some reason, most history classes ignores this part, and zooms in on meaningless facts (such as dates) and the teachers almost never are concerned context, or the greater lessons learned, etc. The interpretation of most lessons is almost always left with the students, many of whom won't consider anything but memorizing the basic facts to pass the test.

    I had one excellent history professor, he lambasted the history channel for their distortions and mistakes. Why should we expect anything more out of a purely entertainment medium such video games than an (entertainment) TV channel supposedly dedicated to history? The best lesson to learn here is simply not to believe everything you read, see, or what someone tells you to without verification.

  5. hmmm by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Video games can also grossly misrepresent evolution, driving, archaeology and just about anything else they're based on. They are for the most part a source of entertainment meant to create a virtual world that may or may not have anything to do with real life. That is the point. They're supposed to be fun. Sometimes the historical inaccuracy is the whole point; It can be fun to interact with a world that isn't historically accurate; alternate timelines for example.

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  6. Hmph by Arimus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course thanks to the genius of Holywood we all know the Enigma machine was really stolen by a bunch of Americans (U-571) and not by Poles....

    Movies have been playing silly buggers with history since the first movies, video games are no different. Both are forms of escapism from reality.

    Why's this a) a suprise and b) taken so long for some to figure out?

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    1. Re:Hmph by Shrike82 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course thanks to the genius of Holywood we all know the Enigma machine was really stolen by a bunch of Americans (U-571) and not by Poles....

      I'm undoing a few moderations here but I'm afraid I just have to point out your horrific factual innacuracy. You slam Hollywood for saying American's captured the first complete Enigma machine, then you make up some nonsense that it was actually Poles? If you bothered to check your facts before criticising the facts of others you'd know it was the British, HMS Bulldog to be precise, that captured the Enigma machine in 1941.

      I can only hope that you were making some cryptic comment on the whole historical innacuracies situation, but even if that's the case; too subtle.

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  7. Historians talk about history very differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that history is "factual" rather than a rolling series of arguments is both interesting and amusing.

    I wonder, with what vehemence, slashdotters would react if historians of science and technology ceased reporting on the human practice of science, and began advising on code design?

    "Games have utilized historical narrative extensively, but to what extent does the platform take liberties with, and perhaps misuse it."

    Mainstream media rarely depicts the historian's conception of history as currently practiced. At best it is Whig history (telling history to create moral lessons for today). At worst it is a fantasy purporting to a relationship with reality. Do you really expect games to speak into the complex construction of self-identity? The formation of power within classes leading to social conflict? The institutional factors behind the limits of political decision making within and between states? Or the emergence of sub-altern narratives (the utterly voiceless repressed) through careful emergence of non-standard documentary traditions?

    At best your demand is Grognard: that the belt-buckles are accurate and that Division X was not in Location Y. If you truely want to look at games serving history, look up Stalin, a three turn economy simulator designed to test Stalin / Trotsky / Bukharinite debates about preventable deaths.

  8. I Learned All My History from Civ2 by pezpunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    For example, in 500AD, President Julius Ceasar of the Roman Empire discovered railroads, which led to Charles Darwin's Voyage, which as every schoolboy knows resulted in the Romans immediately aquiring the knowledge of both Amphibious Warfare and Economics, thus allowing them to finally end their 3000 year war with King Abraham Lincoln of the United States. This expansion led to much unrest amongst the populace, however, and in order to maintain order Ceasar was forced to convert nearly 35% of his worforce into Elvis impersonators.

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