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Internet Probably Couldn't Handle a Flu Pandemic

Several readers including mikael and gclef noted a report from the General Accountability Office suggesting that it should be Homeland Security's job to make sure the nation's business can flow during a pandemic. In particular, if H1N1 sends workers and schoolchildren home in large numbers, GAO thinks it might be a good idea for ISPs to prioritize traffic (favoring commerce over games, say), to reduce network speeds, and possibly to shut down high-traffic Web sites. DHS retorts that not only isn't it their job to control the Internet in this way, but the GAO is naive to believe it's even possible: "An expectation of unlimited Internet access during a pandemic is not realistic." "[DHS] does not even have a plan to start work on the issue, the General Accountability Office said. But the Homeland Security Department accused the GAO of having unrealistic expectations of how the Internet could be managed if millions began to telework from home at the same time as bored or sick schoolchildren were playing online, sucking up valuable bandwidth. Experts have for years pointed to the potential problem of Internet access during a severe pandemic, which would be a unique kind of emergency. It would be global, affecting many areas at once, and would last for weeks or months... Many companies and government offices hope to keep operations going as much as possible with teleworking using the Internet. Among the many problems posed by this idea, however, is the issue of bandwidth..."

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  1. Go to your room and no video games! by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    In event of contagious diseases, we will quarantine everyone to their houses. Then we will shut off all your ability to play online games.

    1. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually,

      If you are causing a domestic panic and threatening to not only revoke many of the liberties outlined in the Bill of Rights, but also threatening to shut down communication lines, funneling billions into lobbying interests, while using fear tactics surrounding an illness that I would best describe my first-hand experience as a "laughably mild cold, without the annoyance of a stuffy nose" you're not supporting terrorism, you are practicing the definition of it.

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    2. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who is still recovering from H1N1, I think I can safely say that playing video games was not even on my list of things I had any desire to do.

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    3. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you are causing a domestic panic and threatening to not only revoke many of the liberties outlined in the Bill of Rights, but also threatening to shut down communication lines, funneling billions into lobbying interests, while using fear tactics surrounding an illness that I would best describe my first-hand experience as a "laughably mild cold, without the annoyance of a stuffy nose" you're not supporting terrorism, you are practicing the definition of it.

      Somebody arrest this unpatriotic and overly-serious person!

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    4. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, let's not play dumb. The argument is that people will stay home to prevent further infections when H1N1 becomes a pandemic. The proposal is still a thinly veiled jab at network neutrality.

    5. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would best describe my first-hand experience as a "laughably mild cold, without the annoyance of a stuffy nose"

      You got lucky. I had it over the summer. Even having started Tamiflu within 24 hours of the first symptoms, it was a solid week of awfulness, followed by another week and a half of suckiness. I lost 8 pounds in the first four days. Extremely unpleasant. By far, the sickest I've been since scarlet fever.

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    6. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by Toonol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow - what a craptastic mind you must have - just because your symptoms were on the mild side you characterize the illness with mocking derision. After all it doesn't matter that in some cases it has killed relatively healthy children in as little as two days.

      The flu ALWAYS kids kids, every year. Hundreds and thousands.

      And I think your attitude is just as worthy of mocking derision as is overblown hysteria over swine flu.

    7. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by TheWingThing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... an illness that I would best describe my first-hand experience as a "laughably mild cold, without the annoyance of a stuffy nose" ...

      If you are from the US, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, UK, France or one of the other countries that symptomatically *diagnose* someone as having swine flu without any lab tests, you may not have had swine flu at all. Your symptoms would not be valid swine flu symptoms in that case.

      On the other hand, if you are from India, China, Japan, Australia, Thailand, Chile, Peru, Vietnam, Germany, South Korea or the other countries that do lab tests do diagnose swine flu, you might have had a mild case of swine flu. Your symptoms are not generalizable to others.

    8. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please mod this troll down. The H1N1 (at least in the united states) has a mortality rate between 0.007% and 0.045%. This is a HUGE difference between this and 1 or 2% (a difference in the tens of thousands per million).

      Compare to 0.01% for seasonal flu.

      He is fear mongering.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58E6NZ20090916

    9. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bet, the "laughably mild" refers to a normal, healty person of a good age.

      The "More children have died from it in the last 3 months then die all year from seasonal flu." is an outright lie. I have seen the statistics. And H1N1 does not even come close! Normal flu kills more than 10 times the number of people.

      H1N1 is dispropotionally bad for fat and weak (young,old,otherwise unhealty) people. Especially combinations of those.
      I am also pretty round. And I still think, that it's actually even a good thing, that it creates a disadvantage for those types.
      It's the same as a lion, endangering those who are weakest the most, and through that, being essential for the long-term health of the species he eats.

      You see right now, how the lack of natural selection affects a species. With human ability to reproduce falling more and more. And people needing more and more "healthcare" to even be able to live a normal life. Soon we won't be able to reproduce and live at all, without tons of machines and pills keeping us alive at every second.

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    10. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by oatworm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the reason people were so concerned with H1N1 initially was because highly virulent strains of flu cause higher mortality rates among otherwise healthy people since their immune systems overreact to the virus (cytokine storms are fun!). That's what made the so-called "Spanish Influenza" epidemic in 1918 so deadly. If H1N1 triggered something similar, it would be extremely dangerous.

      Fortunately, it doesn't.

    11. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More children have died from it in the last 3 months then die all year from seasonal flu. That's 'off season'

      That's a very disingenuous statement.

      First, it is implying that the H1N1 virus is going to pick up during the flu season. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that this is the case. The flu season typically does follow certain seasonal trends, but that's not true for new strains.

      Second, the flu season normally lasts about five months, so if it dies out on schedule, it will have killed about half again more kids than the normal seasonal flu. And probably far fewer people over 30.

      WHen you consider 32 thousand die from seasonal flu in a vaccinated populaces, you begin to get the picture of how large the risk is.

      That's also disingenuous. The majority of those deaths are typically in the elderly, whereas in this strain, the elderly are showing significant immunity to H1N1. I'm not expecting a staggering death toll from this flu season. It may be elevated, but it certainly is not worthy of the amount of fear it is causing.

      The mortality rate, last I checks was 1% and rising. It's over 2% in India.

      I don't know where you're getting your numbers, and I'm not familiar with the medical situation in India, but in the U.S., the mortality rate is estimated at about 0.1%, not 1%. About one death per thousand cases. For those who aren't familiar, that's actually a little on the low side for seasonal flu. Now admittedly if we get a strong seasonal flu strain on top of that, it'll be a double dose, but for the moment, it's looking like it will probably be a relatively mild flu season, contrary to what you're saying.

      Call me when you see a flu strain with 10x the normal death rate or when it has lasted more than six months without the infection rate dropping. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, this is all just bullshit fear mongering.

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    12. Re:Go to your room and no video games! by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "That's a very disingenuous statement.

      First, it is implying that the H1N1 virus is going to pick up during the flu season. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that this is the case. The flu season typically does follow certain seasonal trends, but that's not true for new strains.

      Second, the flu season normally lasts about five months, so if it dies out on schedule, it will have killed about half again more kids than the normal seasonal flu. And probably far fewer people over 30."

      I believe it is you who are being disingenuous. He wasn't implying that H1N1 will "pick up", i.e. increase in occurrence. He was simply pointing out that we are seeing deaths from H1N1 outside of the timeframe that is normally associated with seasonal flu. By inference then we can conclude that it is somehow different than regular seasonal flu. And it will likely kill more people, in total, than seasonal flu, since it has had a head start. H1N1

      That being said, there is EVERY reason to believe that H1N1 will "pick up" throughout the normal flu season. That is because primary difference between this strain of H1N1 and the regular seasonal flu is that H1N1 has a substantially higher temperature tolerance than regular flu. Flu viruses are very sensitive to temperature in vitro - the difference of a few degrees means that the flu virus can survive for weeks on a surface vs. hours. So the reason why we are seeing H1N1 so early in the season is that it can survive the warmer environmental temperatures better. However, that does NOT mean that cooler temps are detrimental - it lasts just fine when it gets cooler. Now add to that the general decrease in health and immune system function during the cooler months, we certainly could expect more people to be infected than currently, and that they will have statistically worse outcomes.

      This ties into your second point. You are confusing the "epidemic cycle" timeline with the flu season. Flu season is 5 months long solely due to environmental temperatures - they are the 5 coldest months, which makes the virus easier to transmit via environmental surfaces. That's it. Since we already know that H1N1 has a higher temperature tolerance, there is no reason whatsoever to assume that it will have a 5 month "duration". Given the way it's behaved so far, it's more like 10 months - September to June.

      That being said, THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT'S 1918! But to ignore the fact that H1N1 is substantially different than regular seasonal flu is whistling in the wind. You yourself acknowledge that it has a different pattern of morbidity: "it will have killed about half again more kids than the normal seasonal flu. And probably far fewer people over 30." And the virus, on a statistical basis, is much more contagious than seasonal flu, simply by the fact that it stays in the environment longer. These facts are NOT controversial. So why does simply stating them get you in a tizzy?

      There's another thing to consider. H1N1 appears to be a "mild" pandemic. Great. But the fact that it stays in the environment for so long, and so extends it's "season", there is a substantially higher risk that people will become infected with H1N1 and another strain simultaneously. This has the potential to be a Very Bad Thing. Different strains of virus can swap genetic material in that situation. Which brings us back to the previous flu scare, H5N1. Except that it isn't "previous" in an epidemiological sense - it's still chugging along. H5N1, which has a VERY high case fatality rate, hasn't gone pandemic because the virus hasn't evolved to allow easy human-human transmission. So we've dodged that bullet. But what happens if someone gets infected with H1N1 and H5N1 simultaneously? There is the potential for the viruses to swap genetic material. One result would be a virus with the CFR of Swine Flu and the transmissibility of Bird flu. Which may well have occurred already, because such a viral strain would immediately die o

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  2. sigh by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't we get rid of the DHS yet? I don't think there's one government organization I like less.

    1. Re:sigh by lwsimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see you've never dealt with BATFE.

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    2. Re:sigh by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously? Not even the IRS?

    3. Re:sigh by cabjf · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is the GAO instigating. DHS slapped them down saying that not only is it not their job, it's probably not even possible.

    4. Re:sigh by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once the government gains new useful powers like those granted to the DHS, it is extremely difficult to dislodge them. Once the power is there, there's no reason for them to ever think of giving it up.

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    5. Re:sigh by Mr+44 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hello, did you RTFS? I'm no fan of DHS, but they ARE the ones saying that the GAO is on crack for even thinking about this idea, and that they aren't planning on doing anything.

    6. Re:sigh by RY · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is the only government agency who's main drive for its survival of the organization is fear. Once people have nothing to fear then the agency becomes obsolete.

    7. Re:sigh by jdgeorge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, in this case, they (DHS) are saying it's irrational to expect the government to be able to regulate the internet in the event of a public health emergency, which I happen to agree with.

      As to getting rid of DHS, that's would likely entail just breaking the DHS back into the separate agencies from which it was formed. There could be some benefit, but based on what I can discern, I'm not sure what would be gained in making that change. Any thoughts?

    8. Re:sigh by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know, the DEA ranks up there. Lets work on getting that abomination gone, as well as the stupid laws that justify its existance. Let the dope tax go to the IRS instead of to Columbia and Mexiso.

    9. Re:sigh by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consolidation of all those agencies seems logical to me. Might be the only good think Dubya did. However I hate that name "Homeland"..... sounds like something out of the Bundeswehr Handbook (copyright 1933). The War Department was renamed Defense Department. How about DHS became just the Department of Domestic Security, to echo the words of the constitution ("from enemies foreign and domestic").

      For that matter we should have some kind of Constitutional Council, to be made-up of the 50 state legislatures (and 2-3 delegates of their chusing), whose task is to nullify any Congressional acts they consider unconstitutional. The U.S. Court can have its opinion, but ultimately it was the 50 States that formed the original contract and they should have the right to ignore non-contractual grabs for power.

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    10. Re:sigh by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Criticism.

      The size and mission creep of the behemoth comes to mind. Data-mining, bloat, glorified security-guard hiring practices, over-reaching harassment databases. It was created as a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11, 'nuff said.

      It's purely business. Consolidate everything, hire cheaply, waste a-plenty. Morale goes through the toilet. I'm from a border town, and there have been articles in the paper spanning a few years describing the scumbags working the borders, to include widespread recent complaints of catcalls and groping crossing women. There is also a high turnover rate, low morale, and excessive overtime described in my hometown paper (sorry, won't tell 'ya).

      It seems that the DHS has been created with the same mentality of the proliferation of the ultra-powerful California prison system, and their famous border abuses of detainees are well-known. My personal favorite is forced injections of psychotropic drugs. Those can be found on GOOG, by the way.

    11. Re:sigh by Teancum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course isn't is strange that the DHS doesn't even want this authority.... presuming that it was even possible to distinguish "legitimate" network traffic from video games without checking the "evil" bit.

    12. Re:sigh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For myself, I'd rather that the FICA deductions were completely removed, added as a revenue neutral addition to the general income tax, and considered Social Security payments to be simply a form of social welfare instead of an entitlement.

      That pretty much is how the U.S. Congress has been treating the Social Security trust funds anyway since Tip O'Neil was speaker and Ronald Reagan was in the White House. Why not just make it official?

      Actually, if you ever read the various laws related to Social Security, you'll find that it was set up that way from the very beginning.

      The trick was that the average American in the 1930's found the idea of being "on the dole" shameful, so they had to hide the fact that under noise about "personal social security accounts", and such nonsense.

      Fortunately, it's becoming more obvious every year to more and more Americans that it's just another tax with some more welfare attached to it.

      Note that this is not meant to imply that SS is a bad thing. It's certainly better than letting the elderly starve, but it's arguably the worst way to avoid letting the elderly starve....

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    13. Re:sigh by Eevee · · Score: 2, Informative

      The War Department was renamed Defense Department.

      Not quite. The Department of Defense was made up from a merger of the Department of War (which was split into the Army and the Air Force) and Department of the Navy (Navy and Marine Core).

    14. Re:sigh by lee1026 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you have posted indicates that Jefferson did not like it very much. That have very little to do with what the constitution actually says.

    15. Re:sigh by Thanatos81 · · Score: 2, Informative

      [...] sounds like something out of the Bundeswehr Handbook (copyright 1933)[...]

      Certainly not. The Bundeswehr was formed in 1955, several years after the end of WW2. In 1933 there was the Wehrmacht

    16. Re:sigh by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is NO SS Trust Fund! Never has been one.

      False.

      The SS taxes go into the general fund, and IOU's are written to cover it.

      Those "IOU's" are also known as Treasury bonds. They're just as real when held by Social Security as when held by private investors. If Treasury bonds ever become "just scraps of paper" with no real value, we'll have much, much bigger problems to worry about than a Social Security shortfall.

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    17. Re:sigh by EsonLinji · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A group of 2-3 delegates per state to decide if new laws are OK or not, you say? That sounds like something that's already in place. I think it's called the Senate.

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  3. Traffic is usually higher during business days by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't traffic usually higher during business days than during the weekends? If so, during a pandemic I'd expect lower traffic, not higher. Especially since people, you know, being sick don't really feel like browsing...

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    1. Re:Traffic is usually higher during business days by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not everyone will be sick, but people will be expected/told to/required to stay home to avoid spreading the flu. Naturally, businesses whose employees can work from home will expect people who are home but not sick to work while they're home -- and that's what the GAO is worried about.

  4. I use more bandwidth at work by bughunter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really, I do. Between flash games, surfing blogs, spamming "random page" on Wikipedia, and actual honest-to-goodness work, I use far more bandwidth at work than I do at home, where I mostly just play WoW and read a few blogs.

    Unless the wife isn't home. Then I burn a hole in my wall downloading porn.

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    1. Re:I use more bandwidth at work by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

      For shame.
      Neglecting your relationship like that.
      You should be downloading porn together!

  5. Lets vote by the_weasel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Raise your hand if this sounds like something you WANT the department of homeland security to be worrying about.

    [crickets]

    That's what I thought.

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    1. Re:Lets vote by TarrVetus · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know you're becoming a control freak when Homeland Security tells you that you're going too far.

  6. Comcast by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, Comcast has effectively convinced the GAO that traffic shaping is now a good thing.

  7. PDFs are delicious by Foobar_ · · Score: 4, Informative

    The actual report from the GAO is available here: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d108.pdf

  8. Playing games .. by SlashDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. on the Internet IS commerce. Those telecommuting could very well be employee of game companies. Games is a multi-billion dollar industry that is moving more and more toward the Internet infra-structure.

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  9. Wow, just Wow by Drummergeek0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is such an idiotic idea that whoever came up with it at the GAO should be fired. The idea of what should and should not be allowed would be very arbitrary. Take sites like Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, etc. They make money from traffic to their site. If they shut down/slowed access to such sites nationwide it would financially cripple them. Companies will have to have their own contingencies for such incidents, it is not the government's responsibility to ensure they can keep operating the way they prefer, it is the companies responsibility to ensure they can continue to operate however necessary.

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  10. OK, the solution for this is easy... by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Provide tax incentives to large companies to encourage as many of their workers as possible to telecommute as often as possible. This would accomplish a number of things:
    • It would alter the bandwidth landscape such that a pandemic would have a less significant sudden effect on the amount of dependency on home Internet connections.
    • It would reduce vehicle traffic on the roads during peak commute hours.
    • Per the previous item, it would reduce the amount of carbon emissions going into the air due to tens of thousands of cars sitting idle in traffic jams twice a day.
    • Per the previous items, it would also cut down on the volume of fossil fuels burned during commute hours and may assist in reducing our dependency on foreign oil sources.
    • It would reduce the volume of physical interactions between employees, reducing the likelihood of a pandemic spreading throughout an entire organization, and also reducing the flow of such a virus through society at large.

    I am sure there would be negative implications as well, but I think there is a lot to be said for encouraging an environment where there are more people working from home.

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  11. Favor "Commerce" over "Games"? by mandark1967 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about companies whose "commerce" is games? I'm sure Blizzard would love to hear that the vast majority of their revenue is specifically targeted for termination should a pandemic occur.

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  12. Re:Regulate trade between the States by lwsimon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its a hell of a stretch defining data as "trade".

    Are US servers violating a trade embargo if they serve a page to someone in Cuba?

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  13. Bandwidth problems by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe they should look at how telecommunications companies are connecting people as the problem instead of how people are using the Internet.

    Anyway, to my mind, there are a clear set of traffic shaping policies that satisfy net neutrality and make sure the network is still usable by everyone. And that's to shape by physical connection, not application. I have an 8 megabit DSL line, but I think my ISP has about 450-600 mbits of bandwidth to the Internet. The aggregate bandwidth of all of their DSL customers is likely at least 10 times their available bandwidth to the Internet, and that's a perfectly normal and reasonable situation.

    If ever any given connection they have to the Internet becomes saturated, they should prioritize traffic in such a way as to make sure everybody trying to use that connection gets their fair share. That means customers that only burst traffic and aren't using their max for hours get priority over the people who are using as much bandwidth as they can for hours. As the bandwidth becomes more constrained, the criteria for what counts as a burst should become shorter and the max burst bandwidth should be lowered.

    Trying to kill off all your bittorrent customers, especially since you think they're competing with your more profitable centralized video distribution business sure seems attractive, but it's evil and all the wrong approach. Just allocate bandwidth fairly to your customers and the bittorrent people will be punished for using all their bandwidth by having molasses web surfing compared to everybody else.

    If bittorrent customers don't like this, they can agree to start marking the traffic they want to have as low priority and then that traffic will be the first to go when there's a bandwidth crunch.

  14. Conspiracy against network neutrality by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    So H1N1 is really a genetically-engineered virus made by Lucent Technologies at the behest of the big telecom/cable cabal to be not quite deadly, but bad enough to send everyone at home for a couple weeks. When everyone fires up their connections for torrents, MMOs, and "internet research" (porn), it gives the bought-and-paid-for congress the perfect excuse to shoot down FCC network neutrality rules and allow telcom/cable to throttle connections and shape traffic, thus ensuring people can order their fleshlights and Sex and the City box sets at the expense of WOW players and pirates looking for movies to watch while they're laying in bed for days at a time. It's so simple it's brilliant!

  15. Re:Anonymous Coward by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I fail to see why this is any different from other emergencies that have benefited from the free flow of information concerning problems

    The free flow of information in emergencies is a problem if you're a totalitarian government or, say, Iran. As of this moment it's hyperbole to apply that to the U.S., but the effective building of repressive regimes takes away liberties piecewise. H1N1 a national emergency?!

    The sun of our liberty won't just fall into the ocean, it'll gradually fade away through a twilight which has already begun.

  16. Re:Another crisis casualty by Mendoksou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, what will end Net Neutrality will be a criminal debate (priotitize traffic to limit piracy or child porn! It's for the children) or national security debate of some kind (those Korean Haxors will kill us all! PANIC!). The H1N1 thing will pass over too quickly (and I believe that Markey prsnts that bill every year... just this time he might finally get it through). But seriously... never waste a good crisis, right? If you do, people might think logically, and that's bad for policy.

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  17. They'll use whatever is the current hot topic.... by nilbog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people trying to push anti-net-neutrality agendas will use whatever scare tactic is currently in the media. In 2001 it would have been "we need to prioritize traffic to aid rescue workers," during Katrina it would have been "We don't have bandwidth to reliably allow everyone free access while still being able to coordinate aid in Lousiana," now it's this, and tomorrow it will be "we can't reliably fight aliens/robot armies unless people are taxed for visiting sites that we don't approve of."

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  18. Another case of the "rights" of business... by endus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...triumphing over the rights of citizens. I don't see any reason why business' commerce should supersede the leisure activities of people who are home sick. Obviously this recommendation is asinine in the extreme and completely impossible to implement, but I don't think its the government's business to implement it anyway. If you want to talk about emergency services then, OK, maybe there is an argument there.

    I also agree with the comment saying...well what about game companies' commerce? It's just another case of big business having the money to bribe politicians into prioritizing their interests over citizens'.

    ...Besides...everyone already surfs the web all day at work. I don't see where there is any difference.

  19. Re:I will say it again by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is propaganda, disinfo, lies and bullshit.

    They will take the net down to prevent uncontrolled information sharing and disclosure. They are prepping this under the framework established in The Cybersecurity Act of 2009, introduced by Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), last April. This gives the president the ability to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any "critical" information network "in the interest of national security." The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president, according to a Mother Jones report.

    Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, dismissed the entire premise of the Cybersecurity Act when she pointed out the fact that granting centralized power to the government to control networks would in fact make the stability of the Internet less safe, because allowing one person to access all information on a network "makes it more vulnerable to intruders," she said. "You've basically established a path for the bad guys to skip down."

    enator John Rockefeller betrayed the true intent behind the legislation when he stated, "Would it have been better if we'd have never invented the Internet," while fearmongering about cyber attacks on the U.S. government and how the country could be shut down.

    See him rave:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8PCmLPPVnA&feature=player_embedded

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  20. Uuum, we had flu "pandemics". Nothing happened. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Multiple times every year, a big percentage of the people get some strain of the flu. The normal flu had way bigger "pandemics" than any H1N1. Nothing happened. It's just the flu. We know it. We can handle it. Done.

    What this is really about, is the media, blowing stuff up, creating "contoversies", until any communications medium bursts, shutting themselves off.
    Well, there's a simple solution for that one: Stop being such greedy bastards! Which means: Stop creating so much drama, just to get more viewers and make more money. Or in other words: Stop stuffing youself over what the mechanism can hold.

    On the other hand, seeing the "traditional" (money4drama) media break completely down, would be a really cool thing to happen.

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  21. Take your pig flu vaccine, you fucking sheep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BAAAA! BAAAA! My TV says I must get the pig flu shot or I will die. BAAAA!

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

    So if states have been asked to stop counting individual cases of the pig flu, how the hell do we know we have a pig flu pandemic? This is an experiment to determine if years of public education and pop culture shit have dulled your will and your wits enough to view the government as your supreme authority and savior. I'd say we're just about there, but not quite. The vaccine is mandatory - for now...

  22. Monitor the infection in real time. by mrmeval · · Score: 2, Informative
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