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The Rise, Fall, and Resurrection of Pleo

robotsrule writes "This article contains notes from a 1-hour phone call with Ugobe founder Derek Dotson, now CEO of Innvo Labs Corporation, the company that acquired the rights to Pleo at the recent bankruptcy auction. Dotson reveals the hidden story behind Pleo's rise, fall, and resurrection including intriguing facts about the money trail and what he feels caused Ugobe to fail, including how he had to save Pleo's future on more than one occasion. He also lays out in plain detail Innvo Labs's strategy to help owners of older Pleos and those whose units were swallowed up by Ugobe's bankruptcy." We've been following the Pleo saga for years.

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  1. What is a 'Pleo'? by MrMista_B · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah yeah, slashdot editors suck, etc. - but expecting your readers to do your work for you is pushing it, and I'm a long-term reader.

    Pleo: what is it? why should I care?

    Else = Idle

    1. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well there's always Wikipedia. =]

      The short of it is: it was an animatronic dinosaur briefly sold from 2007 to 2008, which disappeared fairly abruptly at the end of 2008, apparently due to some corporate shenanigans/infighting (which this article, and the previous ones kdawson links to, document some of).

      It's interesting from a tech perspective because it was the first widely available, consumer-priced animatronic pet (that I know of, anyway) that seemed to have some semblance of a personality other than "weird robot thing", so was basically the first at least sort-of-success in that area. It was also hackable.

    2. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a toy. Quite a sophisticated one. It used cameras for its basic vision system, several sensors for detecting various things about its surroundings and it could sense a musical beat and dance to it.

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    3. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pleo: what is it? why should I care?

      It's a women's magazine. Kinda like Clayboy.

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    4. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by macshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      an animatronic dinosaur briefly sold from 2007 to 2008, which disappeared fairly abruptly at the end of 2008, apparently due to some corporate shenanigans/infighting

      Hmm, so its failure had nothing to do with the fact that very few people actually want an animatronic dinosaur?

      [If the price were extremely low, it might manage a bunch of sales via the "what the hell" route, but the Pleo seems to have been a lot too expensive for that, and it's not exactly a stable business strategy in any case.]

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    5. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to TFA they did about $20M in sales before going belly-up. I don't know if that's wholesale or retail, but it must represent approx 500K-1M units, which doesn't seem too shabby. Presumably they could have sold a lot more if it had been more engaging and better delivered on the promises made.

    6. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by macshit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to TFA they did about $20M in sales before going belly-up. I don't know if that's wholesale or retail, but it must represent approx 500K-1M units, which doesn't seem too shabby.

      It seems to have been priced in the range of $250 - $350 (I've seen different numbers in different places), so around 50k – 100k units.

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    7. Re:What is a 'Pleo'? by baxissimo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cell phone company Au in Japan was giving Pleos away as some kind of sign-up premium for a while. A deal like that could potentially account for a big chunk of those 500K-1M units all by itself.

  2. the standard business plan by murdocj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I read

    Ugobe was a heavyweight company poised for explosive growth and burdened with all the associated expenses and overhead that implies, so they needed a huge explosion in sales. Derek still believes Ugobe would have survived and done well if they could have raised their last round of funds.

    I was reminded of a .com that I worked for during the boom years that had a nice product that would support a small company. But of course, you couldn't get rich creating a small company, so instead they projected a sales curve that started out low and rose exponentially, and thus they could remain "on track" for that "explosion in sales". Ugobe sounds like deja vu all over again...

  3. I have a theory... by allknowingfrog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bankruptcy sounds pretty vague to me. What did they spend all of their money on? Fighting the uprising of technologically advanced robot dinosaurs perhaps? Did they realize only too late that the chip they installed was capable of switching genders leading to an unforeseen ability to reproduce?

    Hey wait, that would make a great movie...

  4. Cohabitation by macraig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder, how does Pleo do around cats? Does he become food or a playmate?

    1. Re:Cohabitation by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

      If a sample of videos on YouTube is any indication, it looks like cats are initially curious, but lose interest pretty quickly, so I guess it doesn't pass the cat Turing test for "actual animal". Smelling like rubber and not reacting very quickly to stimuli probably doesn't help with that.

    2. Re:Cohabitation by macraig · · Score: 2, Funny

      It certainly seemed to pass the second cat's Turing test, but he was too confused by its sounds and behavior... he couldn't decide if it was threat or food (because for cats really everything animate falls into one or the other CATegory).

  5. Re:Why should I care about a stupid toy?? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd suspect that, in general, there are two basic reasons:

    One is that you think that the other guy failed because he was doing it wrong, not because the idea is fundamentally doomed. You think that the product could have a life.

    The second, and potentially more significant, is that the product was in fact doomed; but, because of the bankruptcy process, isn't doomed anymore. In a lot of cases, startup/R&D/tooling/whatever costs too much for the product to ever be economically sensible(nobody will buy at the price needed to pay per-unit costs and recoup your initial costs). However, if you go bankrupt, your creditors eat your startup costs and your assets get sold, typically for a fraction of what you paid to build them. If you don't have to recoup the startup costs, because you bought the infrastructure at a fire sale, you can actually make money.

    The story of Iridium is probably the most dramatic example. The Iridium satellite constellation cost a fucking fortune to put into orbit. Even if execution had gone perfectly, prices would have been nutty. When the original outfit folded, the constellation was sold for peanuts, and was suddenly far more viable. Pleo isn't nearly that dramatic, I suspect; but it could easily be the case that, while Pleo would never be able to sell enough units at a high enough price to repay its development and tooling costs, it would be viable to keep pumping out units of the existing model.

  6. Pleo behavior not engaging by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I appreciate the effort people went through to develop this thing, when I got a chance to interact with a Pleo I found it pretty much useless. It was slow and sluggish, and its behavior was light years away from usable or realistic or entertaining. It didn't behave in any engaging way, it didn't DO anything worth a darn. In direct comparison with a Cybie, which was way cheaper, the Cybie performed in more interesting ways yet was a less sophisticated device. I remember waving the Pleo's leaf toy in front of the Pleo, and the dino did not respond to the (simulated) food item. It was a prop and not good for anything at all. Pleo was dumber than a normal pet and was bland and offered no reason to interact with it past five minutes of experiments.

  7. The owners like it by Paolo+DF · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, you'd say, obviously!
    Disclaimer: I own a Pleo.
    I know that it's not engaging as it could be a cat, but it can be engaging as it could be -say- a turtle.
    Of course this is just an attempt at AI, with some life simulation; so there's nothing like neural-network-simulated-synapses-AI-supercomputer-MIT-experiment, you know.
    What's nice is that there have been a couple firmware upgrades, with actually different 'global' behaviours, and there are a few 'SD' behaviours that can change the way Pleo reacts to external activities.
    All in all, it is nice to have the thing moving around in the explore mode, and toy with it and make it purr or barf or stand on two legs :-)
    Ah, by the way, a link may be nice

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