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The Best Medications For Your Genes

blackbearnh writes "Until recently, physicians prescribed drugs to patients with dosages based only on weight, and with no idea if the drug would be effective for that particular person. But as this article on Forbes.com highlights, the same advances in genomics that are letting people know about their likelihood of getting certain diseases can also let doctors know what drugs, and what dosages, will be likely to do the most good. 'Tamoxifen, the much-heralded cancer-fighting drug, has been shown to have little benefit for 7% to 10% of patients taking it. In the past, we would have just said that it works 90% of the time. But now, with our new genomic knowledge under our belt, we can say that it works nearly 100% of the time for people with the 'right' version of the CYP2D6 gene, and 0% of the time for people with the 'wrong' version, who make up roughly 7% to 10% of the population.'"

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  1. next up.. by blool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    getting denied health insurance for having bad genes

    1. Re:next up.. by cjfs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not hard to imagine a future in which patients entering an emergency room will have a CD disc with their entire genome tucked in their wallets or on file with a national database. Before any drugs are administered, dosages will be adjusted based on the patient's genomic profile.

      And that same genomic profile will determine if they can get coverage in the first place. Think of the cost reductions this new streamlined process will bring!

      I mean, we just need this national database to better serve you.

    2. Re:next up.. by Jayemji · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that'd be a Violation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_Information_Nondiscrimination_Act>

    3. Re:next up.. by cjfs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And are you confident, given the current level of lobbying, that the U.S. government won't pass the "Comprehensive, Affordable, Reliable, Effective Health Act"? I mean who would vote against the C.A.R.E health act that's "designed to lower health premiums for hard working American families"?

      You might be surprised how much more power the industry will gain if public options fail.

    4. Re:next up.. by evilNomad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is this insurance you speak of? In my socialist hell hole we cannot be denied coverage, meaning things like this makes healthcare better, more effective, potentially cheaper (rarely do things get cheaper in this socialist paradise though..) and probably saves lives..

    5. Re:next up.. by smchris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I'm not that confident, but I'm taking a chance on the 23andme.com database security anyway. Just signed up and the contract does give one pause. They point out that loose talk with your doctor can be dangerous. I don't know how far law will protect a person against medical and employment discrimination in practice but they mention that the law does not protect your ability to get _life_ insurance.

      On topic, they routinely test for warfarin sensitivity and Plavix efficacy.

    6. Re:next up.. by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, its already here.

      The "The Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007" signed by Bush allows the government to collect, store, test and experiment on the genetic material of every newborn in America without the knowledge or consent of the parents.

  2. indications by cstacy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bidil prescriptions should have been based on genetic markers. On the other hand, it's hard to do a credible whole-genome analysis for this sort of thing without a good theory in the first place.

  3. placebo by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about placebos? I suspect they might work much better on some people than others.

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    1. Re:placebo by cjfs · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about placebos? I suspect they might work much better on some people than others.

      Very true. I have friends that think they're worthless. But I only have to take 4 of them (1 in each corner of the room, at 9:04am, without exhaling) and my OCD stays completely under control. They make a world of difference.

  4. version controll by sdiz · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... "right" version of the CYP2D6 gene

    They should have used git for version control.

  5. Public healthcare by googlesmith123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why many countries have public health care. It's just simply fairer and better.

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    1. Re:Public healthcare by Jayemji · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well since Medical Insurers are exempt from anti-trust law, they have to DON'T compete AT ALL. Period. They can get away, legally, with things that would put the worst anti-trust abusers to shame. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran%E2%80%93Ferguson_Act

    2. Re:Public healthcare by noundi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey man, there needs to be competition to foster new innovations in a...fairly static and sedentary industry.

      I mean come on, competition exists in health care since one provides service A and the other provides...the exact same service.

      Alright, someone tell me exactly how insurance companies compete with each other to foster new innovations. Hell, internet providers have at least newly developing tech for new, faster internets (although not so much in the US of A) but what can insurance companies do? Patent drugs or new procedures so only insurance provider A can provide it?

      Are you joking or just really fucking dumb? The comptetition does exist -- but in medicine -- where there are innovations. In hospitals however there are protocols and rules. Doctors don't "invent" anything. Denying people healthcare because they cannot afford it does not foster new innovations -- it fosters death and diseases. Diseases which later on are mutated and spread on to you, simply because the people around you couldn't afford the bill. You have to be one dumb motherfucker to not get this -- really.
       
      In other news, say what you want about republicans or democrats, but to fight against a public healthcare system without realising how self destructive that is takes one ignorant fucker. Unfortunately in a democratic system that ignorant fucker could eventually be responsible for the state of my health -- no matter how rich or poor I am.

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  6. What about privacy concerns? by torrija · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If drugs become targeted to certain DNA profiles, wouldn't it be likely that medical centers ask you to let them keep records of your DNA? Well, may be not your complete DNA, but certain genes. I wonder what could happen if such records go to the "wrong" hands, as health insurance companies.

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  7. Re:Tailoring Medicine to Genes: What took so long? by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative

    When will we admit that there are genetic differences? For example, most East Asians suffer from lactose intolerance. Europeans do not.

    You got that the wrong way . It should be: Most Europeans are mutant freaks that tolerate lactose as adults, while most East Asians still have the normal version of the genes that prevent the consumption of milk by adults (like most other mammals do).

    That adult mammals do not tolerate lactose is the norm. Hence the lactose tolerance of Europeans is the exception.

  8. Re:Tailoring Medicine to Genes: What took so long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My pharmacogenetics Prof. (yes, its not that new a field)explained it like this:

    They had conducted a study which hinted that a whopping 40% of a population showed a genetic variety which renders a particular pharmaceutic more effective at treating a condition than any other. ...so they contacted the manufacturer and asked them if they were interested in conducting a prospective study.
    well, they weren't. and why? because 40% of the population is not good enough, they want their product to be prescribed to every single patient, regardless of the facts.

  9. Re:Tailoring Medicine to Genes: What took so long? by thefirelane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is, you are, like soooo many before you, confusing significant cultural influence with some sort of inborn genetic trait: >so far none have done very well in the 100m sprinting event So you are saying that there is some "karate gene" then? What gene makes Americans poor at soccer while great at Basketball? The point is, certain cultures value certain sports more than others, and thus those sports attract the pool of athletes from a certain country. >And great influence in other fields such as finance. You realize that Jews were basically *forced* to be bankers for a large part of history right? Tax and interest collection as seen as Taboo for Christians, so they made the jews do it. Same thing with science: if you can get run out of town at a moments notice, you tend to value learning and intelligence, as those are things that pack easily.

  10. I've seen this before somewhere... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... Oh yes; Gattaca.

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  11. Old news, but hey, it's news. by TheMohel · · Score: 3, Informative

    The FDA has had a table of valid genetic biomarkers for medications for several years now. While many of these are cancer drugs looking at specific metatabolic or receptor issues, our old friend warfarin (a "blood thinner" with a narrow therapeutic index, a reputation for causing a lot of trouble and a genomic profile that accounts for about half of the known variation in the drug) and the pain drug codeine are on that list as well. There's even a research website devoted to genetic calculation of warfarin dosing.

    Carbamazepine (Tegretol) can cause a rare life-threatening reaction called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis), but it's mostly limited to individuals with a specific Human Leukocyte Antigen (HLA-B*1502). Again, known for quite a while and a part of the basic biology of the drug.

    It's a fairly well-written article, but it's kind of breathless about stuff that I was really excited about back in the '90's when my medical school teachers were really excited about it too. The best news is that the FDA has really stepped up in the past few years to make this actionable data that a practicing clinician can use.

  12. Re:Why Where and When? by blackbearnh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not going to argue about the mysterious information you have, since you don't go into details on it, but as the author of the article, I should tell you that it's part of the "O'Reilly Insights" series, not a straightline Forbes piece, and I very much was writing it from the perspective of "here's a significant piece of medical advancement that will affect us as individuals, and is also going to make drastic changes in the pharma industry.

    You say that there aren't enough drugs that genetic variance makes a difference in, and it's all a big scam to get people's data. Personally, I think that major differences in the effectiveness of the leading breast cancer drug, and huge variance in the uptake of the most commonly prescribed blood thinner, are pretty significant, and I'm damn glad I know that I overmetabolize Coumadin, because I could very well be in an ER with a stroke some day.

    We're just in the very earliest stages of looking at how genetic variation affects medicine, and once we start to build a larger database of fully sequenced individuals, I'm sure we'll find more and more cases of genome-influenced variability.

    And for the record, I'm an applicant to the Personal Genome Project, which is about as public a distribution of genomic information as you can get, so I am certainly putting my money where my mouth is as far as choosing the benefits of greater knowledge over the fear of discrimination.

  13. Cuustom Meds by Pedrito · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where this will really come into its own is, down the road, where custom medications will be created specifically for your genetic profile. That is, they'll create a custom drug that fixes your problem but won't cause side-effects. This isn't tomorrow or 5 or 10 years from now, but more like 30-40 years from now. Creating a custom drug in a lab right now would be a major ordeal and very expensive, but with advances in biochemical modeling and automation, this can be overcome. By analyzing the genes, however, a custom drug can be developed that, not only works with your individual version of whatever proteins might be involved, but it can also be modeled against other genes/proteins to avoid potential side-effects, providing efficacious and side-effect free medication.

  14. Even more interesting - by jhfry · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA:

    There have also been a number of drugs under development, which were abandoned because they only benefited a small percentage of patients (say, for example, 30% of a hypothetical new drug), while carrying significant side effects. But just as those 10% of cancer patients got no benefit from tamoxifen because of a genetic variation, it might be the case that the 70% who didn't benefit from our hypothetical drug did so because they didn't have the correct genome. If we could identify the 30% that it worked for, what was once viewed as a failed drug could instead be a miracle drug, albeit for a subset of the entire patient population.

    Imagine the research opportunities here. The R&D was done, the drug worked wonders in a small subset of patients and failed catastrophically in others... lets find out WHY. This idea could employ tens of thousands of researchers for several years just pouring over old trial data, running new trials, and linking genetic research to drug research.

    I know if I were a pharma company I would be ramping up a similar effort. A good example is Elan's Tysabri, which was hailed as a wonder drug for many MS but faced major delays in light of a number of patients dying during trials... which nearly killed the company. A little genetic R&D and they may have been able to pinpoint those people who should not take the drug... allowing it to fly through FDA approvals.

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