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Decline In US Newspaper Readership Accelerates

Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that US newspaper circulation has hit its lowest level in seven decades, as papers across the country lost 10.6 percent of their paying readers from April through September, compared with a year earlier. Online, newspapers are still a success — but only in readership, not in profit. Ads on newspaper Internet sites sell for pennies on the dollar compared with ads in their ink-on-paper cousins. 'Newspapers have ceased to be a mass medium by any stretch of the imagination,' says Alan D. Mutter, a former journalist and cable television executive who now consults and writes a blog called Reflections of a Newsosaur. According to Mutter only 13 percent of Americans, or about 39 million, now buy a daily newspaper, down from 31 percent in 1940. 'Publishers who think their businesses are going to live or die according to the number of bellybuttons they can deliver probably will see their businesses die,' writes Mutter. 'The smart ones will get busy on Plan B, assuming there is a Plan B and it's not already too late.' Almost without exception, the papers that lost the least readers or even gained readership are the nation's smallest daily newspapers which tend to focus almost all of their limited resources on highly local news that is not covered by larger outside organizations and have a lock on local ad markets."

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  1. Evolve or die..... by bagboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the way the world works. When the telephone came around did telegraph operators keep their business methods - or did they evolve to use the new technology?

    1. Re:Evolve or die..... by jdoyle1x1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is, newspapers isn't being replaced by anything superior. I really don't see blogs and sites like digg and slashdot taking over journalism. They are great for commentary but don't produce original news, unless if there is an agenda.

      That is the problem with newspapers, they 'produce' news. Because they have an 'agenda'. If they were only reporting the news, instead of 'producing' it, their readership numbers maight not be tanking as badly...

    2. Re:Evolve or die..... by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The problem is, newspapers isn't being replaced by anything superior.

      No you, like almost everyone in the legacy media, miss the root of the problem. The overhead of dead tree distribution is a problem for newspapers. But it isn't THE problem. Otherwise the other parts of the legacy media such as the big three network newscasts wouldn't be suffering the same decline. Hollywood is having trouble selling both movie tickets and DVDs, the music industry is declining. Network television has been in decline for decades. The Internet isn't the problem. It's the content, stupid!

      People are dropping newspaper subscriptions because there is nothing in them anymore that can't be read online. If you think there is journalism in a newspaper these days it is because you haven't picked one up lately and actually read it. It's all opinion posing as news, press releases reprinted as gospel, rumors and gossip and what doesn't fit into one of above categories it is probably inaccurate anyway. And that damnation is even before bringing up the political bias that has become so blatant the blind can now see it. But even worse than the lies, distortions and faked news is what they leave out of the news because it doesn't fit their prefab storylines

      Thought experiment. Most reading here are tech types. Read a legacy media story about a tech issue and note how many inacuracies you can spot. It isn't just tech, it is your ability to spot errors in that field that is greater. The error rate in every other section is as great or greater. If you asked a doctor about medical coverage he would give you just as many horror stories. Mass media always had the problem of trying to dumb down stories for a mass audience, but years of budget slashing and general decline in overall education means it is now semi-literate reporters reporting for morons.

      Now go read a couple stories from a major source, say the NYT or CNN. Note how many basic grammar errors you find, assuming you yourself are clueful enough to do this. They SAY the reason to trust the MSM over bloggers in their underwear is they have vetting, fact checking and editors. Jason Blair puts paid to vetting, the test above should remove all doubt as to fact checking and if there are still real editors in the newsroom how do so many basic spelling and grammar errors make it into print? If they aren't even bothering to proofread the damned copy are we to believe they are calling back all the sources and checking the quotes and going to authoritative sources to confirm every fact and figure in a story? And unlike most bloggers, they don't even bother running a correction unless someone important makes a fuss or threatens legal action.

      And it isn't the Internet or piracy that is killing Hollywood, it is the fact that have been pumping out crap for years.

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    3. Re:Evolve or die..... by aztektum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously this was modded up?

      That's a completely bogus comparison. Unless you can come up with a better way to do the job that trains do, they still have a purpose. Hauling lots of heavy shit/people long distances for a relatively low cost (compared some other methods).

      What is the primary goal of a newspaper? Spread information.

      Now, what invention has come along that can do as good a job or better? (Hint: You used it to post your bogus argument.)

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    4. Re:Evolve or die..... by internic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you think there is journalism in a newspaper these days it is because you haven't picked one up lately and actually read it. It's all opinion posing as news, press releases reprinted as gospel, rumors and gossip

      What about the investigative journalism that revealed the existence of the so-called "torture memos", or the secret CIA prisons, or the NSA's warrantless wiretapping program, or the neglect of injured veterans at the VA? That was reporting all done by print newspapers during recent years that is not just press release or opinion piece or gossip. I often hear a refrain like the one I've quoted above from would-be critics of the "mainstream media", but it simply isn't true. And, as far as I can see, there are few people (if any) in the "new media" doing that sort of very crucial work. I will certainly grant, though, that newspapers have featured more and more opinion, rumors, etc. over time, presumably because it's cheap and people seem to like it.

      Thought experiment. Most reading here are tech types. Read a legacy media story about a tech issue and note how many inacuracies you can spot. It isn't just tech, it is your ability to spot errors in that field that is greater. The error rate in every other section is as great or greater.

      [citation needed]?
      People in the general population have differing levels of familiarity with different subjects. For example, your average American is much more likely to know a significant amount about history than mathematics or, say, astronomy. This non-uniformity will be even more pronounced in specialized group, like people in a particular profession. The bottom line is that there will be certain sorts of topics that journalists are likely to be more familiar with and others they're unlikely to know much about. Absent some compelling evidence, it doesn't make much sense to assume that the rate of errors in one particular topic transfer over to all topics. Given that journalism is usually lumped with the "liberal arts" and journalism degree programs send to stress those sorts of topics, it's probably reasonable to assume that a journalist is less likely to have a good basis for understanding tech than, say, politics and law.

      Now go read a couple stories from a major source, say the NYT or CNN. Note how many basic grammar errors you find, assuming you yourself are clueful enough to do this. They SAY the reason to trust the MSM over bloggers in their underwear is they have vetting, fact checking and editors. Jason Blair puts paid to vetting, the test above should remove all doubt as to fact checking and if there are still real editors in the newsroom how do so many basic spelling and grammar errors make it into print?

      But this reasoning essentially boils down to the statement that newspapers don't have a perfect record of accuracy and, therefore, they must be totally inaccurate. Clearly that's fallacious reasoning. The question you'd have to answer is how their accuracy and journalistic standards compare to blogs (or whatever alternative you're talking about). Clearly, this would take some work to examine.

      If they aren't even bothering to proofread the damned copy are we to believe they are calling back all the sources and checking the quotes and going to authoritative sources to confirm every fact and figure in a story?

      Isn't fact checker a distinct function from copy editor at a newspaper? If so, then it's entirely possible that one can be under-resourced and not the other. Besides which, I'd imagine that most spell-checking is relegated to a computer program.

      And unlike most bloggers, they don't even bother running a correction unless someone important makes a fuss or threatens legal action.

      Again, [citation needed]. I've seen all sorts of radically mistaken stuff online. Sometimes corrections are posted, and sometime not. TV seems to be totally abysmal on this front.

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    5. Re:Evolve or die..... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that newspapers have been replaced already, by fanatic left wing radical publications, and people just aren't intrested in it. I can surf around the internet, and by choosing several sites, getting a fairly wide view of what's going on. Or I can read a newspaper and find out how wonderful Obama is, how evil the US is, how the constitution should be discarded, and that the US should switch to socalism, with government ownership of most businesses.
      If newspapers want me to buy them, they should print news that I'm intrested in, not government propoganda.

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  2. Are you surprised? by B5_geek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other news, water is wet.

    The last Buggy-Whip manufacturer was heard gloating with his buddy the Spittoon manufacturer about how they had 100% market share in their respected fields.

     

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  3. Bay area by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I live in the bay area and the only big newspaper around here is the Mercury News.
    Without trying to start a flame war, it's much easier finding an unbaised article online.

    1. Re:Bay area by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Without trying to start a flame war, it's much easier finding an unbaised article online.

      I think what you really mean is that it's much easier to find an article on-line that agrees with *your* particular bias, rather than the local newspaper's editor.

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  4. By the time you read it ... by neonprimetime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... it's nearly 1 day old

    1. Re:By the time you read it ... by unityofsaints · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... which is one of the strengths of newspaper journalism! CNN, Fox etc. (both t.v. & online) have this mad obsession with serving up "up-to-date, latest developments" that half of what they report gets contradicted half an hour later anyway. They throw out semi-speculation in the hope they'll "get it right" ahead of other stations but in the end it's just noise. Newspapers can have this problem too, because they're coming up to a deadline, but usually they err on the side of caution and only include what's known to be true. The other good side effect of the deadline is that a certain amount of reflection can be included. You get a sense that it's the "bigger picture". T.V. and the internet just trips over itself with minute-by-minute updates.

      Don't get me wrong, sometimes you need to be in the known, like the Olympics 2016 voting (I followed the BBC blog for that) but more often than not I enjoy the distance papers put between the news item and the reader.

      Another underrated advantage of the newspaper is the medium itself. Sure, it's awkward flicking through the pages of a broadsheet on a bus but there's big, high-quality photographs and an eye-friendly column size. Too often websites make columns too wide, resulting in eye-strain no matter what way you resize your browser. And please don't tell me a news photograph on your TFT looks as good as in print- if it does you must be a graphic designer with a 2,000$ screen. Besides, we spend most of our lives in front of screens anyway, do I really have to get my news off one?

  5. Re:Any alternatives? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why can't the internet have Salaried journalists?

  6. Had an issue with national news for a while by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do I care, that some anonymous person five states over was murdered?
    If it's of national import, it's going to be all over the web and television anyway.

    Newspapers should give very deep news on local issues, sports, local editorials, etc.

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    1. Re:Had an issue with national news for a while by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that local reporting is important. But how much do you care about receiving it in print, rather than on a web page?

    2. Re:Had an issue with national news for a while by PaganRitual · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to agree with this. So much of "local" news on TV or print appears to regard a local car accident death as highly important information that we all need to know. Actual issues appear to take a distant second place to things involving violence or things to be scared of.

  7. Re:Any alternatives? by symes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It used to be the case that a lot of people would pay for their daily newspaper. How much are you paying for your online news these days? I really worry that the internet is turning us all into quick fix news junkies unable to spend more than a few seconds grazing headlines and that considered prose is slowly passing.

  8. Re:Any alternatives? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >salaried journalists in national papers who are willing to dig in and develop a good story.

    This is dying and has been for years. Editors, and more importantly their owners (http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html) prefer light, cheap puff pieces that don't disturb the citizenry or alert them to little things like the fact that the treasuries of the world are being looted by the worlds wealthy and that oil depletion issues are going to start rocking our world in an unpleasant way in the next decade or two.
    .
    So we get Yahoo and MSM, where the top stories are "10 ways to know if he/she's cheating on you!" and "How to tell if you're a f***king idiot." (Hint, you're reading Yahoo's front page.)
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    The internet, however, is still relatively free although who knows for how long. If net neutrality is withdrawn, you can forget that too.

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  9. Re:Any alternatives? by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure I see this as a good thing. There's no obvious alternatives to salaried journalists in national papers who are willing to dig in and develop a good story.

    There also are essentially none of those left in the national papers, so the lack of an "alternative" is less relevant. Actually, with many papers retooling to shift toward less focus on advertisers for revenue and more focus on readers, there is a good chance that the decline in per-paper circulation will revive journalism, as the business of the papers becomes, once again, delivering news to readers, rather than delivering an audience to advertisers while avoiding offending those same advertisers.

    I just can't see the internet producing people like Bernstein and Woodward, Nancy Maynard, Anna Quindlen and others like them.

    While you don't see a lot of people like that in any media, at any time, the internet sure isn't doing any worse of a job of producing investigative reporters than the modern print dailies. Which isn't meant, particularly, as praise of the internet news outlets.

  10. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Undoing accidental +1 Interesting when I meant to hit -1 Offtopic.

    (Can we have an "undo moderation" button that appears for 5 seconds?)

  11. Re:It's their own fault by aafiske · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I think that no matter where you stand on the political spectrum, the Internet has allowed you to broaden your horizons"

    Or more likely the internet provides a convenient place to get opinions that agree perfectly with mine, so why should I read a newspaper that I sometimes disagree with and that is therefore stupid and wrong and biased?

  12. Re:Possible causes by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ya know "objective reporting" is a myth. Prior to 1950 the Philadelphia Inquirer proudly trumpeted that it was pro-Republican. Many papers had the words directly in their names - "The Peoria Democrat".

    And I see nothing wrong with that. Newspapers were invented as a way for the owner to express his views. If you didn't like those views, create a competing newspaper. That's what liberty and "free press" means... to say whatever you want to say, even if it's biased towards your own view.

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  13. Re:It's their own fault by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The second issue is that newspapers once stood for something. They were either avowedly and unabashedly partisan in their outlook, or they proclaimed journalistic objectivity.

    And whichever kind they were, they strove to be at least somewhat accurate rather than just a PR outlet.

    This is the newsbiz's real failing: they have become entirely unreliable. You can no longer read a newspaper and have any confidence that you're getting even an approximation of the facts. Newspapers used to do journalism, or at the least give it the old college try.

    This means that newspapers (and TV & radio news) have no real innate value. It's hard to retain readers when you aren't offering them anything worthwhile.

  14. Re:Newspaper Culture by wtbname · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work at a news web site. A while back, we had a troll come through (drenching sarcasm, driven by 90+ wpm). People on our forums started modding him down, reducing his comments to irrelevancy. People, including some from our print group, were marveling at how online participation and comments in the news can provide so much value.

    "Try doing that with a letter to the editor," I observed as I walked by.

  15. Re:I look forward to the edifying spectacle... by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Washington Post is a pale shadow of the paper that broke Watergate. Personally I stopped reading it about the time they fired Dan Froomkin and their execs thought it was cool to sponsor pay-for-access cocktail parties with politicians. Their online site was showing promise until Katharine Weymouth canned the people making it happen and forced consolidation with their print division which was like mixing oil and water. Last month they issued guidelines forbidding their reporters from using Twitter and other social media which shows their dinosaurish nature. Dan Froomkin is now in charge of the Political section of... the Huffington Post. Jim Brady another Washington Post luminary is starting a new online Washington news site for Politico.

    If you want to hop in the way back machine to just before the Iraq invasion, Judith Miller, used the New York Time to shill for her books on WMD's and for the Bush administration to whip up the frenzy about non existent WMD's in Iraq. This has since cost the U.S. about a trillion dollars and thousands of dead and tens of thousands wounded for a lie, which a dead tree journalist helped propagate. Of course the Hearst empire pioneered yellow journalism and shilling to start wars for no reason in 1898, "Remember the Maine", so its not a new phenomena. And of course in 2003 the NY Times also had Jayson Blair who made a career on plagiarized and fabricated stories and it took forever for the Times editors to notice.

    So to balance that one Watergate success story everyone cites in these debates there have been multiple recent failures. The U.S. press was pretty much asleep at the wheel during Iraq, Patriot Act abuses, torture, warrantless spying on Americans on a massive scale, etc. The NY Times did break the warrantless wiretap story but only after it had been running for years.

    You seem to be waxing nostalgic for old school journalism that doesn't really exist anymore if it ever did. I'd being willing to bet if Woodward and Bernstein were to try to break Watergate today, Nixon would call up the Washington Posts management/editors and it would be killed before it saw the light of day because the management of most papers today are pro establishment and pro corporate interests instead of a beacon of truth and freedom. All the Presiden't men was a product of a handful of unique people who did something amazing and right, it had nothing to do with the actual merits of dead tree journalism.

    I too would wax poetic for old school journalism but to think its still even alive or it will flourish in the brain dead environment that is most dead tree newspapers today is optimistic at best. I have to hope the web actually does succeed in producing a beacon for truth and freedom and that it rises above the sea of noise that is the web. Its a long shot but its a lot more likely than hoping for dead tree newspapers or TV networks to be honest stewards of the truth.

    I gather AOL is hiring reporters at a furious rate and the plan of the new CEO who came from Google is to make it in to the leader in online Journalism. I wish him well, though my brain has seizures whenever I see the brand he is working under.

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  16. No integrity by plopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've given up on the mainstream media (MSM). They have no integrity or validity as far as I am concerned. They are in my opinion nothing more than gov't or corporate shills.

    Case in point is the WMDs and the war in Iraq. For months the New York Times (as well as other "legitimate" news outlets (I'm not counting the Fox network)) beat the drums of war. They helped stampede the US into the Iraqi invasion and discounted dissenting opinion and facts.

    Then when no WMDs were found they buried it on page 7. One article for one day. Many Americans still believe there were WMDs and connections between Sadam and Al Q. If the NYT, and the MSM had beat the drums of "no WMDs" and "no ties with Al Qaeda" for months, what would American opinion be instead?

    AFAIAC, they have no integrity and I do not trust the MSM.

    The sooner they die the better.

    (Yes, as a matter of fact I am ranting)

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    1. Re:No integrity by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Case in point...

      Uh huh. Sounds like you are still stuck in the legacy media's world.

      > Then when no WMDs were found they buried it on page 7

      What planet do you live on? The legacy media harped on that fiction daily... at least until The Won replaced BusHitler. The facts differ. You have to google hard for em but they are there. We did indeed, quietly. ship a shipload of uranium out of Iraq. It made barely a ripple in the news when it was finally made public months later.

      http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/06/world/fg-cake6

      And despite the reimagining of history in the popular version, Joseph Wilson's misbegotten adventure provided direct confirmation that Saddam had tried and failed to purchase yellowcake in Niger. Which, if you could be troubled to read the actual quote.... Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." Bush didn't say they succeeded, only that they had made the attempt, which is exactly what Wilson reported. And since the British government did indeed say it, Bush was also 100% correct in quoting it. Yet the popular version of history, the one created by the legacy media, is that Bush somehow lied. If anyone can explain how that is even possible in the context of 'the sixteen words' I'd be happy to be enlightened.

      You would also have to be ignorant of and/or willfully ignore the fairly credible statements of a former Iraq Army general who swears he oversaw a planeload of WMD moved to Syria in the days before the invasion.

      > Many Americans still believe there were WMDs and connections between Sadam and Al Q.

      Perhaps that is because there WERE actually WMD in Iraq? And when every intelligence agency on the planet was in perfect agreement on the presence of WMD in Iraq it really is rather unfair for you idjits to go on and on about Bush and Darth Cheney cooking up some sort of conspiracy over the matter.

      And as for Saddam and Al Qaeda, yes there are plenty of links. No there isn't the slightest smidgen of evidence to implicate Saddam in the 9/11 attack but there is abundant evidence of a working relation between UBL and Saddam. We have direct video evidence of Saddam proudly supporting terrorism in general. He was flagrently and notoriously harboring several name brand international terrorists, making payments to the families of suicide bombers, etc. And please remember it was the Global War on Terror, not the war on AQ. After 9/11 it became US policy that anyone who thought terrorism (defined as random attacks on non-military targets and/or deliberate killing of civilians) was a valid tactic was going to get snuffed.

      You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. I too have one and it fairly obviously shows in this post in places. So please try to dispute the FACTS in this post because unless you can do that, while you can have your opinion it will be but a silly thing based upon fantasy.

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    2. Re:No integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am somewhat disturbed by the "insightful" rating your allegations have received.

      Ready your linked article from the LA Times reveals only that minimally-enriched uranium discovered at the time of the original Gulf War (sealed then and under supervision of UN weapons inspectors since that time until they were ejected from the cou)ntry prior to the second gulf war, was finally sold and shipped out of country, is hardly evidence of WMDs.

      Further, Joe Wilson's trip to Africa found no evidence of any attempt by Saddam Hussein's government to purchase yellowcake (not that they tried and failed). This is why Dick Cheney tried to discredit him via outting his wife, Valerie Plame (via Scooter Libby/ Bob Novak). Former Iraqi generals were notorious for supply "information" that they thought their interrogators wanted to hear.

      Just because the CIA was brow beaten into delivering poor intelligence analysis by the SecDef and VP and a director, George Tenet, who so wanted to be a player in the Bush/ Cheney administration is no basis for making a claim as bold as the one you make regarding perfect agreement between multiple intelligence agencies on the matter.

      There never has been a proven link shown between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. If you have that information please post the link.

  17. Re:Any alternatives? by whoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about James O'Keefe and Hanna Giles (the ACORN undercover videos)? Granted, they weren't salaried, but the Internet can produce a good story. Without Youtube, blogs, etc their story would have not gotten the press it did. It will probably be a few years yet before these sort of Internet journalists get more practice and find the right niche, but it's a start.

  18. Dereliction Of Journalistic Duty, Reap what u sow! by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's quite simple. In their efforts to "compete" with cable news to be first to the story, they slashed real investigative reporting, fact checking, and depth in their coverage.

    They are guilty of dereliction of their duty to inform our democracy. They did not leverage their major advantage over cable news: freedom from constraints to 15 minute time slots.

    They began publishing corporate and government press releases unquestioned.

    They stopped digging deep into issues which really matter to the nation, uncovering actual political corruption or travesties of the political process (the daily show is the only one which seems to do this now).

    Gone are the days where they stood up to governments and corporations for the right of the people to be informed. When was the last time you heard of a case like time magazine's pentagon papers?

    "You write what you're told! Thanks Corporate News!"

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  19. Re:Any alternatives? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right now, sure. Most papers make their content available for free in hopes their site will make money one day. Their paper still makes money. So what happens when their paper doesn't make money and they can't put their news up for free any longer?

    BBC, CNN, Fox news etc websites will still be around when they die.

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  20. Re:Any alternatives? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure I see this as a good thing. There's no obvious alternatives to salaried journalists in national papers who are willing to dig in and develop a good story. I just can't see the internet producing people like Bernstein and Woodward, Nancy Maynard, Anna Quindlen and others like them.

    I guess you haven't heard of Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe? And their expose of President Obama's former employer ACORN?

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  21. Re:Possible causes by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Would that be the British people who pay a TV license to the BBC which is accused of being the broadcasting arm of the Labour party?

    Oh the BBC does get accused of having a liberal bias from time to time, but there's nothing as blatant as, say, Bill "yell and scream when losing an argument before you cut off the guest's microphone" O'Reilly and Sean "Cut the Obama footage off in mid-sentence and claim he said the opposite of what he really said" Hannity.

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  22. Re:You deserved George Bush by nbauman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I spend a big part of my life taking complicated scientific information and making it simple enough for people to read on the Internet in bite-sized chunks.

    But sometimes it isn't possible.

    Sometimes if you want to understand something important, you just have to sit down and go through something long, with difficult language, and boring parts, where you have to read it several times and look things up before you get it right. http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html

    The Republicans and Democrats are competing with each other to see who can destroy the common good faster and make more money out of it for their campaign contributors.

    If you can't read and understand a 5,000 word news story http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2008-Investigative-Reporting-Group1 that shows you how the free market system is failing and how the Bush administration was pimping the regulatory system, you won't understand what they're doing to you (us).

    If everybody is like you, this democracy is in trouble.

    Yeah, I read the blogs, I read Glen Greenwald, Common Dreams and the Wall Street Journal editorial page. But even Greenwald (he's a lawyer) will tell you that sometimes the only way to find out the truth is to read the (long, complicated) original source.

    This idea that you can take a lot of snippets from ideological bloggers on all sides, throw them into a box and somehow the truth will shake out, is like the idea that you can take a lot of bad mortgages, aggregate them together and have them turn into good investments. That's what we call "A mile wide and an inch deep." You wind up with a lot of manipulation and cynicism.

    Sometimes you have to do hard work. And one thing I don't tolerate is being lazy when you have an important job to do.

    You could make an argument that nobody deserves George Bush. That may be true. But we get him because Americans are too lazy to read a 5,000-word news story.

  23. Re:I look forward to the edifying spectacle... by demachina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well there was the ties to Al Qaeda thing, also been proved False.

    There was the "to get Iraq's oil thing", well if that was it we completely botched that since I think the Chinese have more Iraq oil contracts than the U.S. now. It would take a LOT of oil to pay back the trillion dollars we've squandered there.

    There was the "excuse to give huge no bid contracts" to all our Republican connected friends. Check. That one is a winner.

    There was the "to bring Democracy to the Middle East". That's iffy at best. We mostly created a Shia dominated, Iran friendly, theocracy with a whiff of disfunctional Democracy. Once we pull our troops out it could crater in to a civil war in a week.

    There was the "to kill Saddam" because he tried to kill my dad(George W's dad). That might be a winner.

    There was the "my daddy botched the first Gulf War and I have daddy issues" so I had to do it again and prove I'm better than my daddy at the price of $1 trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives destroyed.

    I could go on... maybe you should tell me the reason for it... I really can't think of any that actually make sense, Mister Anonymous Cowtard?

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  24. Re:Possible causes by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet here you say you have nevre read a newspaper in your life. How the FUCK would you know if they have biased reporting? By your own words you have never even SEEN it.

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  25. Re:You deserved George Bush by RunsWithMatches · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps I did deserve George Bush, and frankly, I am glad of it now that I can see how damaging the Obama administration has become. I never suspected that "W" would look so good in hindsight. America, I hardly know ye...

  26. Re:You deserved George Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    tl;dr?

  27. Re:You deserved George Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There is the real problem with the newspapers, every story is blame Bush and Obama is great. When you do read the full 5000 word story you see that isn't the truth. So I assume you are complaining that others can't be bothered to find the truth while it is in fact you that can't.

    I have yet to read a single example of Bush deregulation that caused this mess. I have read Clinton deregulations that caused it, but no one has yet mentioned a specific Bush example. Yet the blame Bush stories continue and people are fed up with the BS lies when they know better. Why pay for what you get from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, or NPR for free. Its not like any one of those or major papers has ANY story that the others ones don't all copy word for word. Investigative journalism is a joke. NYT question to Obama in press conference "What has enchanted you most about being president?" How about "Why the hell can't you be bothered to fix the economy and create jobs instead of having 23 DNC fund raisers and spending every day talking about health care?" See, I scooped them all with that.

  28. Re:You deserved George Bush by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but could you condense that into a 140 character Twitter-compatible post?

  29. Re:You deserved George Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Impractical. The problem isn't reading *one* 5000 word story, it's figuring out *which* of those 5k 5000 word stories are worth reading...

    You can't possibly be completely informed about every topic that can affect you (unless you spend all of your time "becoming informed" and no time accomplishing anything that actually matters). As a practical matter modern humans need to specialize. It makes us more vulnerable to the unscrupulous (a dishonest mechanic, a crooked politician), but it also makes us vastly more efficient.

  30. Re:Any alternatives? by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about James O'Keefe and Hanna Giles (the ACORN undercover videos)?

    ...or, going back a few more years, where did the story regarding fabricated Texas ANG memos used by Dan Rather and 60 Minutes to try to throw the 2004 election break? Not only did you hear about that in the blogs first, but it involved malfeasance that calls into question the credibility of the MSM.

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  31. Re:Possible causes by Some+Bitch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In America we have Fox (far right wing), CNN (right wing), and NBC (centrist). ... and CBS (centre right) and ...

    This is how the rest of the world sees it. You don't HAVE left wing politics, merely different shades of right wing.

  32. Wrong by pnuema · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What is the primary goal of a newspaper? Spread information.

    This is false. The primary goal of a newspaper is to sell eyeballs. The information is what they use to attract them.