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Xerox Claims Printable Electronics Breakthrough

adeelarshad82 writes "Xerox announced a new silver ink that it's calling a breakthrough in printable electronics, a leading-edge concept that's generated a lot of discussion but few actual products to date. Why? Precisely because of the issues that Xerox claims to have addressed. In concept, printable electronics is just what it sounds like: using a printer, basically an inkjet, to print electronic circuits. If this can be done reliably, electronic devices can be printed for far less than current methods cost. One can also print the devices on a variety of new materials. The possibilities range from printing on flexible plastic, to paper and cardboard, to fabric."

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  1. Interesting by Paradyme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, how long till people start downloading designs to print them out at home?

    1. Re:Interesting by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well that would be a great system, especially for DIY and prototype circuits. No more etch and hassling with masks. The FA is pretty light on details (which appears to be official Slashdot policy these days) and so I don't understand where the 'components' come from. Do you just glue your IC down to the paper / plastic / textile base or does this create the components de novo (rather unlikely for complicated things like an IC, but conceivable for resistors, caps, etc.)?

      Might change the definition of an 'underwire bra' significantly.

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    2. Re:Interesting by frozentier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      THAT is exactly the point, IMO. We're at the threshold of not only being able do download pirated software, but ALSO being able to download the hardware to run it on.

    3. Re:Interesting by Bakkster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The article only mentions a reduction in silver ink printing temperature allowing for printing on plastics and cardboard, as well as functioning well in open air without being a clean room environment. That tells me it's primarily a PWB printer, no mention of semiconductors for ICs. Of course, it's possible, with enough resolution, to print a resistor or capacitor. However, I believe this technology will just produce the conductors, allowing you to solder any components (hopefully it is able to be soldered to) needed.

      My question is if they can make multiple layer circuits. This should be pretty easy, just print a layer of insulator on top, with holes for any connections between layers. Also curious what their resolution and tolerances are. Obviously this isn't going to go into high-performance industrial applications any time soon, but if it's possible to make reasonable reliable circuits with tolerances to the mil (0.001"), DIYers will be able to make (and pay for!) circuits they never dreamed of doing before.

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    4. Re:Interesting by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Replying to myself, I know, but this link states Xerox already has printable semiconductors and dielectrics. This breakthrough was for printable conductors of the same quality, meaning that the entire circuit could be printed: conductors, transistors, diodes, resistors, capacitors, inductors. The only additional components that would be needed would be those that require specialized materials (LEDs, for example).

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    5. Re:Interesting by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm guessing it will be a while; most new tech is pretty expensive. The original IBM PC was four or five thousand dollars, laser printers likewise were very high priced. I doubt these things will be affordable to normal people at first. It sounds more complex than a simple inkjet -- it has to melt silver, and somehow does it so you can print melted silver on plastic without melting the plastic. And previous printers needed a clean room to do it, this new tech doesn't.

      But I could be wrong. TFA says the main use will be printing RFID tags, and that it will bring the price of RFID tags down from a dollar each to a penny each.

    6. Re:Interesting by Bat+Country · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speed and turnaround. If this was cheaply available to a home user or at least enthusiastic hobbyist (less cheap, more involved) you could still roll out a prototype and test with a turnaround of a few dozen a day. Further, you could continue reducing the design until you found the smallest space necessary without risking as much money. By its nature, it's most likely quite a bit cheaper once broadly available than PCB services given the difference in the quantity and toxicity of materials. No toxic waste disposal, no huge waste of copper, no supply chain for PCB stock, just some card stock or plastic and some magic xerox ink.

      Also, these circuits are flexible. What's the value of flexibility? It increases the durability and portability of your finished product. The deal with printed circuits as well is not to make a PCB where you solder parts onto it. The idea is to actually print the entire circuit onto the material and offload anything which requires soldered components onto the portion of the product which is not required to be flexible. That being said, anything you can lay into silicon which doesn't require exotic materials or nanoscale electromechanical properties can be printed onto any slightly heat-tolerant substrate with this technology. This could include printing a transistor radio into cotton, printing RFID tags directly onto luggage tags (imagine if the airline couldn't misplace your luggage because the luggage cart itself knew what it was supposed to be carrying), a home hobbyist printing out addon chips for their retro hardware (NES in mixed stereo anyone?), printing out a better antenna for your laptop's wifi, printing new control wires onto the back of an e-ink display (say, from Esquire)...

      All of this is a way off of course, as they're still talking about printing a molten silver compound onto materials, which doesn't strike me as being the sort of task a home laser printer would be up for, not the least of which would be that it'd completely screw up the duplexer and probably the developer drum. Of course, Xerox developing this ink with a low melting point and reliable crystallization patterns (from TFA) may result in some other breakthroughs whereby this comes home a lot faster. All they need is to find a low-resistance nonmagnetic alloy or conductive polymer which melts at laser printing temperatures and won't gunk up a developer unit. (which may be unobtainium.) Either that or a working material which can be applied by inkjet printers.

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  2. Finally by srussia · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can replace my racks with a three-ring binder!

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    1. Re:Finally by noundi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can replace my racks with a three-ring binder!

      It would seem viable until you realize that $99 printer has $4999.99 cartridges and the first one only comes 1% full.

      I'm not expecting anything else.

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    2. Re:Finally by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow. That HP ink costs 70 times more than crude oil. This is why I bought a laserprinter rather than an inkjet. The initial cost is high, but the ink is your typical photocopier toner, and can last 5000 or more pages. After you pass the first 800 pages the laserprinter is actually cheaper overall.

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    3. Re:Finally by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lots of stuff costs 70x more than crude oil. What was surprising about that link was that HP ink costs twice as much as human blood.

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  3. Digital Signatures and e-Commerce by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it would be great if we can attach an electronic version of a printed document so that we can verify its authenticity using digital signatures.

    1. Re:Digital Signatures and e-Commerce by whatajoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can encode the document and its signature into a barcode. And you can do it today, very cheaply.

  4. The death of photography makes it possible by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Until the end of the 20th century, a major market for silver was photography. The digital camera and the inkjet printer have slowly destroyed that market and replaced it with digital imaging. Now there's a new use for the silver which, presumably, had digital imaging not come along would have been much more expensive. (Although color photography ends up more or less silver free and there was considerable recycling, there was still a steady consumption of silver, and as the photography market democratised, the amount of silver in use at a given time was steadily increasing.)

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    1. Re:The death of photography makes it possible by tacarat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, possibly time to start investing in silver? If they use it as stated, a lot of silver may bet get dumped into landfills as part of trash packaging.

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    2. Re:The death of photography makes it possible by MrMr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Investing in silver? Why does that ring a bell?

    3. Re:The death of photography makes it possible by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until the end of the 20th century, a major market for silver was photography. The digital camera and the inkjet printer have slowly destroyed that market and replaced it with digital imaging.

      Yeah, thankfully we don't have to use silver ink in our inkjet printers. That would make the ink refills really expensive. Oh, wait...

  5. Not too much hype in summary by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I saw the sentence starting "The possibilities..." I mentally filled it in with "are endless".

    I was surprised (and a little gratified) to see the summary actually enumerating some of the possibilities instead of hyping it as is normally done. That's good!

  6. Wait for it by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to have a working circuit printed on as a tattoo, with the components inserted as piercings. I'm thinkin' 2 stage amp.

    1. Re:Wait for it by pyr02k1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it'd always be amusing to watch...

    2. Re:Wait for it by StripedCow · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see it already:

      "Hey, sorry people, the concert has been canceled, our power amplifier just died"

      "But wait, I have an amplifier tattoo'd on my skin!"

      *goes sitting in the back of the stage hooked up to the equipment, while other people are enjoying the concert*

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  7. Re:Oh I can't wait. by ztransform · · Score: 3, Informative

    Electronics are going to be even more of a pain ... to service.

    I was under the assumption that with today's 7 layer PCBs and bewildering array of surface mount components (and not just the resisters, the ICs too) that the days of servicing electronics was long gone.

    My Canon G7 died slightly over a year after purchase in that it simply wouldn't power up any more. The cost of servicing exceeded the value of the camera.

  8. Re:Oh I can't wait. by mirix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The bulk of servicing cost is labour, and when you're doing the labour, fixing stuff can still be cheaper. ;-)

    Not just servicing, but hacking and such is going to be a lot more of a pain if the traces vaporize when you look at them sideways.

    I'm not sure what this is marketed as, for prototyping? Fast prototypes would be nice. But the vast majority of electronics are mass produced stuff, where the physical cost of the PCB is a small portion of the overall circuitry, with components, labour, and R&D being the real cost. I can't see printing traces of silver being cheaper than the existing methods. Maybe I'm missing something.

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  9. Good for prototypes, good for tech by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd love to prototype on something like this. But I doubt if the actual output off an inkjet would work beyond the first time I sneeze over it.

    Honestly, in some sense I got into software rather than electronics because it was so hard to experiment with electronics freely. This could lower that barrier for hobbyists & more importantly, kids. It needn't last through the weekend, but if it works and you can see it work, it's enough.

    1. Re:Good for prototypes, good for tech by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know a guy who used to work at HP. He was an ink chemist, although not personally responsible for the prices you pay ;-) He's a diehard electronics hobbyist, and he's been printing his own boards this way for several years now. I've seen some of his boards, and they seem to be very durable. And this was with an inkjet printer he hacked himself, with home-made ink (he won't tell me what's in it)

  10. Spamming clothes by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    which will allow wearable electronics -- a T-shirt with a display, say, replacing a printed slogan for marketing or for showing support for a political candidate.

    Great, just what I want: Having my clothes turned into a spamming device.
    There are certainly countless examples of how wearable electronics could be put to good use, but the first thing they think of is advertising. Very telling, I'd say.

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  11. Re:Oh I can't wait. by cbope · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any electronics device *can* be serviced or repaired. The issue is cost and difficulty of the repair itself. In many cases it is simply too difficult to replace a failed component or too costly. In your camera example, it could be a component buried deep inside the camera on a small PCB which is not easily accessible. It may take a technician an hour or more to disassemble the camera into a few hundred pieces to get access to the failed component. That is certainly a more expensive operation than replacement of the device.

    As a result, many electronic devices made today are effectively disposable. The cost involved to fix them just isn't justified. As an EE, I do try to repair my own devices if they are out of warranty coverage, but sometimes the effort required is just not worth it. It's far easier and cheaper to replace in many cases.

  12. Components? by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Being able to print the circuit is all well and good, but presumably it's literally just the underlying circuit and components still need to be attached? I'm guessing you can't just print a resistor, a transistor, an IC chip or something?

    If I'm correct in this assumption, presumably this technology doesn't really open any new doors in terms of what can be created, only makes the process for testing and eventually producing circuit designs cheaper and possibly quicker?

    1. Re:Components? by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, there are long term research projects going on into other printable materials that can produce resistors, capacitors, and FET transistors that would be useful in building complete digital devices. You're never going to get the kind of densities available in silicon, however, you can stack many layers of plastic film, and create a three dimensional device that would yield serious computing possibilities. You might even be able mix optical and electronic technologies in a large device of this type. You could build custom flexible logic devices home, business, or play. You could build intelligence into machines and products that you never considered candidates for intelligence before. It would be a transformative technology.

  13. Re:Oh I can't wait. by Alioth · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not multilayer PCBs and SMD that makes electronics uneconomical to repair, it's the purchase price of a new article that does it. In the past, if your television failed, you got it repaired - because in 1979, a colour TV cost (in 2009 money) over £1000. Having a technician charge you £150 in today's money was worth it.

    But when a digital camera costs £150, it's not worth spending £150 to get someone to fix it.

    Surface mount components aren't all that difficult to rework with practise. Today, many electronics hobbyists work with SMD, personally I've made my own boards with 0.4mm pitch (that's 0.2mm between the pins) LQFPs, and 0603 chip capacitors/resistors etc (about 1/10th of the size of a grain of rice). Many hobbyists are working with leadless QFNs, and some masochists are using 0201 components (2/1000in by 1/1000th in). (For me 0603 is fine, it's small enough to be able to put where I need them, yet large enough I can assemble a board without a magnifying glass).

    Printable PCBs would be the holy grail for homebrew PCBs. We've got close - some people have modified printers to print etch resist directly onto copper clad board, which you can then etch. The rest of us typcially use iron-on toner transfer (shiny paper through a laser printer, then ironed onto copper board with a clothes iron) or UV photo exposure methods.

  14. "once the ink's affordable"...? by distantbody · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmmm, if Xerox gets its way with a monopoly razor-blade like business in printable solder, ink won't be cheap.

  15. Re:Oh I can't wait. by xonen · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a result, many electronic devices made today are effectively disposable. The cost involved to fix them just isn't justified. As an EE, I do try to repair my own devices if they are out of warranty coverage, but sometimes the effort required is just not worth it. It's far easier and cheaper to replace in many cases.

    This i where our current (capatalist) system failes. (Not blaming capitalism per sé btw, but it has influenced our pricing and thinking). The reason repairs are not worth the trouble are basically because manufacturing does not take in account _all_ costs, both money-wise and 'virtual' - like environmental cost.

    Any idea how much CO2 was used producing a digital camera? You'd be surprised. Or how much toxic waste was produced manufacturing those electronics? How much people died in mines (or have their life shortened) mining the minerals? Repairing to expensive: It's because you compare US/European wages to Chinese or Taiwanese wages. ''Disassemble to 100 components''-> that's obviously a case of bad design where maintenance/repair was not being taken into consideration.

    The situation not only holds for electronics. Take cars for example, cars that are 'total loss' here in the west, because repairs outcost the value of a 2nd hand car.. This same car, once driven to Afrika (Marocco for example) can live another 10-15 years with ease. Simply because of the difference in price of labour vs materials. (Not that that is always best for environment...)

    Repairs not being economically feasable is much more of a choice, than a necessaty. Guess the situation only will be turned once we either run out of resources either have to pay for all real cost including environmental and eliminating differences in hourly labor costs worldwide.

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  16. Re:Oh I can't wait. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Electronics are going to be even more of a pain in the ass to service.

    When integrated circuits were first invented, engineers scoffed. "How would you replace a part in one?" not realizing how cheap the "parts" would be. This is the same thing. TFA says, for example, that today an RFID chip costs a dollar, while this tech would reduce the cost to a penny.

    You don't service them any more than you repair a burned out light bulb.

    I can't see it being terribly reliable either.

    If TVs were a dollar each I wouldn't care how unreliable they were. But TFA covers this too -- until this new tech you needed a clean room.

  17. It's Already Been Available for Desktop Inkjets... by LuxuryYacht · · Score: 2, Informative

    as water based ink and does not require sintering or secondary processing and works well on standard inkjet or copier paper:
    http://www.methodedevelopment.com/whatsnew.aspx?newsitem=29
    http://www.methodedevelopment.com/whatsnew.aspx?newsitem=30

    Commercial inkjet systems for printing electronics on a wide range of materials has also been available for some time: http://www.onelabs.com/prntelec0000.htm

    Multilayer conductive pcb traces including passive and active components are already being inkjet printed. The current geometries however for components are in the few micron range. A couple of decades behind current semiconductor processing but far ahead of current pcb fabrication techniques.

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