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Android 2.0 — Competition Against the iPhone and the Rest

GMGruman writes "Every few months, it seems, there is a new 'iPhone killer.' Android 2.0, in the guise of the Motorola Droid, is the latest such 'killer.' But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone (single page), and does Android or any other mobile OS have the right stuff? There's a lot more to the answer than is usually discussed. This article takes a look at the strengths that may allow Droid and Android 2.0 to provide strong competition to devices like the iPhone and the Blackberry, as well as the obstacles it continues to face that could inhibit adoption."

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  1. What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by Old97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really. There will always be some number of viable devices competing. Each will appeal to some group that values its strengths over what the others have to offer. The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors, not just one. The iPhone isn't the market leader now. So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?

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    1. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by pete6677 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The biggest reason this will not be an iPod killer is that it is made by Motorola, a bloated bureaucratic mess of a company known for poor quality. The Razr was a disaster. How will they compete with more stylish Apple or more nimble LG?

    2. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by bored_engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Razr was a disaster.

      Really? The Razr is commonly touted as Motorola's last great success. I knew several people who bought, and were happy with, the Razr, including my wife. I considered one, but decided that I'd rather keep the LG that randomly stops working. (I'm not a big fan of ubiquitous communication.)

      To respond to your point more directly, Motorola are not competing by themselves. they're using a form factor that is proven (see Nokia devices for several examples.) Motorola are using an OS that has already seen modest success; an OS sharpened by a company (google) who strive for ubiquity. The Droid also has some components that the iPhone is missing.

      As long as their implementation is sound, I see no reason why Verizon, Motorola and Google shouldn't enjoy profits from the Droid. They are entering an established market; each is an experienced competitor; and there are lots of us who have been shut out of the iPhone market because we are Verizon customers. (I've heard complaints, but frankly, I've had nothing but positive experience with the company.) Further, Verizon seems to be marketing this harder than Motorola or Google. I have modest respect for Verizon, and find it difficult to believe that they would allow Motorola to sully their name.

      I believe that this phone will enjoy moderate success. It doesn't have the cachet of Apple, but it's entering a market with a good deal of potential. Besides, Motorola is getting hungry: They played a big part in defining the cell phone market, and they nearly died by failing to follow through with their earlier success. Motorola has lots to lose, and I think that they really want to get it right.

      All that aside, I figure that it's an open platform. If Motorola really gets it wrong, within 3 months, I'll be able to update it with a more friendly platform. I've already told my wife that she's getting one, and finally, after 7 years with the same phone, I intend to buy a new phone.

      Maybe you hate Motorola phones, but I'm really looking forward to the Droid. I hope that it lives up to my expectations.

    3. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by fullgandoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bought the original Razr when it just came into market. It was a great phone. Beautifully designed, sleek and stylish even by today's standards.

      Too bad Motorola had monkeys design the user interface and idiots write the software. Completely fucked up a superbly designed piece of hardware.

    4. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by InlawBiker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shhh! It gives journalists something to write about, and the headline is really catchy. Just shut up and consume.

    5. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree.

      Both Android and the iPhone OS are ultraportable computing platforms. The iPhone isn't really a phone per se, but a mobile computing device with phone functionality. Apple will even sell you one sans phone if you want it.

      Successful competitors to the iPhone will be those that understand that the point is to make a better ultraportable computing platform, not necessarily a better phone. I think Google may be able to do that, but I don't think RIM can, and Microsoft's development team appears to be a circular firing squad.

      As usual, competition is only good for end users, so I hope Android does well.

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    6. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by davester666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, I believe the 'monkeys' you are referring to work for the major carriers in the US. Each of the carriers decided that the phone needed to be customized for their specific customers (maybe they've classified which kind of idiot signs up with them). This of course makes advertising the capabilities of the phone itself difficult (at least in the US) for Motorola, as the UI and even what features the phone had was totally different from carrier to carrier (other than, "You can dial a number on it").

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    7. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Droid also has some components that the iPhone is missing.

      Let's just correct this, though I know it was in the news item to.

      It's not "The Droid", it's "Motorola Sholes". The Droid name seem to be something Verizon will put into the names of their Android phones. Also on the HTC Eres if that was the name of that phone.

      Also before it was released I was hoping for something special, atleast in the lines of HTCs Sense UI. But now it looks like it's a basic and standard Android 2.0 installation with nothing special in it (not necessary a bad thing.) So if we get some other Android 2.0 phones, which I'm sure we will, they will have all the (software) benefits of the Motorola Sholes.

      So that leaves it at the upgraded hardware compared to for instance the HTC phones.

      So is this a remarkable new truly unique phone which will kick the iPhones butt? Most likely not. It's just an evolutionary upgrade of the Android phones, which will continue to evolve.

      Personally I'd take an Android phone over the iPhone any day no matter what if it can "kill" the iPhone or not. Let's just hope the number of applications and quality catches up (which it may or may not ..), it would be kinda weird to complain on how the iPhone is vendor locked in while it still has more features and software. Open and free doesn't become much better if it actually suck when used.

    8. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by WaywardGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      GP does get a key point: The software is key. Carriers (and freaking Verizon in particular) in the US simply refused to understand this. They build the network, while all the innovation is in the handsets and the software, but for some reason, US carriers seem to think they are the true innovators and handset providers are fluff. Now that Verizon has screwed up on handsets for three years straight, they finally realize that their strength is simply the network they build. Maybe they've been listening to their own adds. They're finally going to ship a modern phone, without screwing up the software first. Stupidity at Verizon may be going out of style.

      Anyway, as said before on slashdot, Android vs iPhone is just like Windows vs Mac all over again. With Verizon on board, Motorola building 20 new Android phones next year, and 50 Android sets in the works around the world, Android is set to finally deliver on it's promise of unifying the software across a broad spectrum of handsets. There wont be any single iPhone killer, just as no single PC was ever a Mac killer. However, I see nothing that can stop Android from becoming the world's dominant smart phone OS.

      The Motorola Droid isn't quite as exciting of a device as the Sony Xperia X10. I suspect we'll keep seeing Android based "iPhone killers" plunk away until Adroid wins the race.

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    9. Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, that Razr V3 I got for free lasted me 3 years of rough handling, dropping in toilets, skipping across parking lots, the whole nine yards. It made great calls, and I could let it go a week without a charge and still make a call. Finally, the battery started only lasting a few hours, then a few minutes, but this is after three years of the worst possible treatment. And it still looked pretty good. I got the black finish and it was surprisingly sturdy.

      I wasn't thrilled about the way it looked when I first got it, but it wasn't horrible. I shed a tear when I finally had to replace it. In fact, if the batteries for the Razr weren't a fortune, I'd still be carrying it. Finally, it was cheaper to get a new phone than a new battery. Much cheaper in fact, except for the fact that I had to sign up for another 2 year tour of duty working for the AT&T Death Star.

      At least I didn't get an iPhone and have to sign up for a 2 year tour plus take an ass pounding on prica and the cadillac "data plan", and have everybody look at me like I'm a douche whenever I make a call.

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  2. No Single Killer. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope there's no single 'killer'. Diversity is a good thing, it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward. It won't be too many years before pretty much all phones are smart phones, and there's a lot of room in the phone market for a lot of vendor's to exist and profit.

    So here's to hoping we see a nice market share for iPhones's OS, Android, Maemo, WebOS, and Windows Mobile.

  3. Already preordered my Droid by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It comes down to carriers, and Verizon Wireless does have excellent coverage. I'm on an expired contract so I could have jumped to AT&T without any penalties, but the Droid has got what I've always wanted: a phone that's open enough to let me hack for fun, while also polished enough that I don't have to hack it just to make the basics work.

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  4. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem he's referring to is that the combined size of all your apps is 256MB on current phones, this isn't an individual app limit.

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  5. Horrible Article by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate to say it, but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.

    You can't kill the iphone by trying to copy it. You have to:

    1) Find a way to steal it's best customers in a way it can't keep up with.

    2) Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.

    Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars, but it won't get you market share.

    1. Re:Horrible Article by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And Android (not just Droid, or Verizon, but Android) is doing that. Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&T, if you are on T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty. Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer. Then there is the variety of hardware. Someone who doesn't like using a touchscreen for typing won't like the iPhone, yet the G1, Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that.

      The ability not to have to jump ship for the "latest and greatest" might be a huge feature of Android, especially if you are tied into a contract. While some phones will be carrier exclusive without a doubt, Android itself is cross-network. Android's power is not int he G1, Magic, Droid, Hero or any other phone but in the fact it can easily saturate the market better than any other platform currently offered. When even "dumb phones" can run the apps you have written for Android, it is going to reach more of the market than Apple's high-end exclusive offerings and make it easier than "jump through hoops to get it to run without using expensive data plans" problems that JavaME has.

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  6. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a 256 MB app storage limit.

    No. Please learn to read. That phone has 256MB for app storage. My G1 dev phone as 1.5GB for app storage (because I've only got a 2GB card in it, and I wanted some room for ringtones, etc.)

    Google, just WTF where you thinking?

    Considering it was Motorola that designed the Droid, why would you think that Google had anything to do with it?

  7. Re:The fastest way to fail by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the Droid campaign has been brilliant so far, and has stirred up a lot of interest and buzz about the phone.

    As a Pre owner, I wish Palm had done something like that instead of using the strange scary-lady ads that didn't do anything for anyone.

    My bet is when the Droid is actually launched, you will see those ads showing what it can do that the iPhone can't and why it's cool.

    What has me puzzled is why Nokia hasn't got any commercials out for it's N900. It runs a Debian Linux variant, and runs full flash right now, and it's hardware is superior to the Droids in some ways. Why they aren't shouting about it from the rooftops, I don't know.

  8. One problem killing the iPhone... by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.

    Enough people want background apps? Well there they are.
    Enough people want customizable lock screens? Alright, that's easy enough.
    Enough people want shared file storage? There, done.
    Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android? No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.
    Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store? Ok, here you go.
    Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins? Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.
    Enough people want root access? Fine, administration is their problem.

    Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor. If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant.

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    1. Re:One problem killing the iPhone... by blanks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor. If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant"

      Ok thats a downirght B.S. excuese right there. The majority of the flash files people would be going after/ watching/using would be from youtube.com or google.com or myspace.com for video which last time I checked had some of the top people in the world dealing with compression, codexes and flash players in the world. Saying Apple is trying to keep bad ugly un-useful flash apps from their users is like saying Apple isn't trying to not lose money from forcing people to only buy videos from their itunes store.

      It has nothing to do with scary bad coders, it has everything to do with them keeping people from getting videos outside of what they control (itunes).

  9. Re:The Iphone is not the Mona Lisa of Tech! by onefriedrice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) It forgets to mention the 1 major thing that gave the Iphone such a major push forward. Marketing!

    Actually, I'd say the major thing that gave the iPhone such a major push was the fact that it was the best thing at the time. People seem to have forgotten the awful "smart" phones we had before Apple decided to shake things up. The iPhone may or may not still be the best thing around (I don't know), but it seems to me we probably would have no Android today without the fresh competition Apple provided.

    So will Android devices overtake the iPhone? Well I sure hope so. It would be pretty sad indeed if Android wasn't able to gain any headway seeing as how it will be on multiple devices and multiple networks and there is only one iPhone on one network. Ultimately, I think Android will be considered a success, but I also think it won't have much impact on Apple.

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  10. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is NOT an Android limit. It is a limit of the flash memory that the manufacturer decides to put in their phones. Moto decided to put just 512MB on their device, probably because that was the biggest size they could stack. Adding more would require a separate chip, like a Samsung MoviNAND (basically an SD card in IC package) that would take up more PCB room. But if they had laid down moviNAND they could have got 2G, 4G, 8G or maybe even more. There will be plenty of multi gigabyte Android devices out there in 2010.

  11. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any single Android app can only be 256MB in size, and if any app uses that allowance, it's the only one you can install on the phone.

    Bullshit. Maybe if you pulled your head out of Steve Jobs ass, it might improve your reading comprehension.

    Also, read carefully: Android has a 256MB limit for total app storage.

    No. YOU read carefully:

    Android has no such limit. That particular phone has 256MB for total app storage. It is not an Android limit, regardless of how much you might want it to be.

  12. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's nothing compared to the fact that there isn't any android phone with 3d acceleration.

    False. The G1 has 3D acceleration and supports OpenGL ES. Here's a video of a demo program you can download from the Android Market.

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  13. Re:Article already out of date by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. They are NOT going to be using Symbian in the future for any phone that will compete with the iPhone.
    2. Feature creep - eventually most phones will be smartphones, because it won't be economically viable to make a non-smartphone, same as motherboards without built-in networking, or laptops without a webcam, or 14" vga computer monitors, or telephone answering machines are all either non-existent or niche products.

    Trying to get a "dumb phone" in 5 years will be like trying to get a cell phone that doesn't do anything except make phone calls today. They pretty much all do sms, web surfing, mp3, java games, etc.

  14. Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps by mr_matticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spoken like a review from a windowshopper.

    Look, there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.

    That just isn't true. Android 2.0 is pretty attractive on the surface, but it's still plagued with UI and usability kinks that have yet to be worked out. Multi-touch still isn't quite right, nor is it fluid. Android's interaction on the desktop is much better than most of its competitors, but it still lags behind the iTunes experience. There are plenty of advantages to the iPhone platform, including the iPhone OS.

    When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.

    That's what they said about Linux and Windows in 1996. Easier said than done. We're still waiting.

    But lets face it, the hardware has no particular advantage any more

    The pile of hardware components was never the advantage to begin with. The devil's in the details. It'd be a trivial effort to out-spec the iPhone's hardware, but that doesn't get you anywhere on its own. Look at the terrible state of video playback at the time on smartphones even with the same muscle as the first generation iPhone.

    Whether you love the iPhone or hate it, it's indisputable that it was a kick in the pants for everyone else. Now they're actually trying to make good products, and competitors are addressing their failings and adapting what they can from Apple's lead. That's how it should have worked, even if the iPhone never existed, but it just didn't. Even Windows Mobile, while still painful to use, is at least easier to look at these days.

    But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.

    Drama much? The iPhone is "middle-aged"? What does that make RIM/Blackberry? A pensioner?

  15. Many factors of success by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the past, I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority. Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won. Why? It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta. Whatever the case, VHS was more popular and so it won.

    iPhone is ridiculously popular. I don't care to go into why it is popular, but I will say I don't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds. Whatever the cause of its popularity, iPhone will not be toppled as "king" of whatever market it rules with attack/smear ads and it won't be toppled by technical superiority or versatility. It might be toppled by convenience if that were possible and it would have to be convenient to leave it behind and/or migrate from it.

    iPhone isn't just a phone. It's a hand-held computer with software applications that people use. In the past, moving from one phone to another was a matter of exporting data and importing that same data into the next phone. iPhone has applications for which there may not be equals on other phones. iPhone has applications that many have spent significant amounts of money on and people aren't willing to dump things like that so easily.

    Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person's identity. In much the same way people build self esteem rooting for their favorite teams in sports, the iPhone enjoys a strong fan base.

    Microsoft calls what they have "critical mass." Microsoft isn't getting toppled because they have critical mass. Other reasons don't play into the current state of Microsoft nearly as much as that. People are not happy with Microsoft, but not unhappy enough to move to something else.

    iPhone has not achieved critical mass, but many of the factors that contribute to the state of critical mass are present in iPhone and it is certainly moving in that direction.

    Still, the iPhone doesn't rule in the way the hype and attention would seem to suggest. A recent trip through an airport showed me that Blackberry outnumbers iPhone 10 to 1. That's just an estimate I pulled out of my ass, but it's probably not far off. iPhone is limited by its exclusivity to AT&T (in the U.S.) and many people aren't interested enough in iPhone to change their carrier, but since the odds are that their non-AT&T carrier will carry an iPhone competitor, people are more inclined to give those competitors a try. Provided that the alternatives are good enough to capture an audience the way iPhone has (and that's not likely in my opinion) the iPhone's primary weakness can be exploited successfully.

    To be clear, the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&T. It limits its growth potential and its flexibility. There are other factors contributing to its weaknesses, but its close ties with and influence under AT&T are at the very least holding it back and quite likely to be the most significant factor that will lead to its death.

  16. Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit by kwerle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are right. But just because Motorola designed the phone, doesn't mean google had nothing to do with it...This is as much a google device as it is Motorola.

    And here you've summarized the problem without stating it.

    The iPhone is one company's product: Apple. Really it's one person's phone: Steve's.

    And that is why it'll be better: because Steve will fire anyone who makes a phone less than he wants.

    Google will enable a superior phone. Moto will fail to deliver. But I hope that someone else delivers. I really dislike the iPhone closed platform.

  17. Hardware had issues too though by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bought the original Razr when it just came into market. It was a great phone. Beautifully designed, sleek and stylish even by today's standards.

    I had one for a few years also. It was everything everyone claims Apple products are - style with little substance.

    As you noted, the software was ghastly. But frankly I had issues with the hardware alone as well.

    The buttons, were the worst I ever had on the phone as far as being easy to type. I was always missing numbers with those damn slanted keys with hardly any feedback as to where you were.

    But the worst sin, was making a flip phone with BUTTONS ON THE SIDE. This totally eliminated the advantage of the clamshell where you couldn't accidentally hit buttons. I hung up on people pulling the phone from my pocket and often slightly changed settings getting it out.

    It did feel good in the hand when talking or just holding it but like I said they had issues with both hardware and software.

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  18. Re:The Iphone is not the Mona Lisa of Tech! by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one gives a shit except geeks who've never actually tried an iPhone keyboard for more than 4 seconds, and hence haven't discovered you can type faster on it than with a physical one.

    2 reasons why a touchscreen keyboard is unsuitable for me:

    1. no tactile feedback. I'm afraid I like to be able to feel the keys before I press them so I know my finger is in the right place.
    2. I want to be able to see what's on the screen without a virtual keyboard covering it up.

    I'll admit that (1) might be something that I would learn to do without if I used an iPhone all the time, but no amount of practice is going to prevent (2) from being a problem - I get an 80x25 terminal window on my phone, which I use for doing things like remotely administering servers; reducing the visible area of that terminal to 3 or 4 lines so that I can fit a keyboard on the screen would make it very unusable. Sure, most people aren't using their phones for administering servers, but this is a major reason for me buying a smartphone since it means I can avoid carrying a laptop around most of the time.

    When will you iPhone fanboys get it into your head that a single design of device *never* suits everyone - just because you find a design choice to be ok doesn't mean that everyone else will. Choice is good.

    100,000 apps. Seriously, it's *that* important.

    I imagine that Symbian has well over 100,000 apps. Most of them are utter shit. Raw numbers are meaningless - if there were 100,000 _good_ apps then that would be something worth shouting about, but that's not the case.

  19. Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance" by aliquis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term "Asia"?

    In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.

    In China, they actually don't sell it at all

    Don't you answer your own question? Japan isn't all of asia, it's a fucking small part of asia. And China probably sums up the situation in a large part of asia.

    The thing is that Apple support for other parts the the USA is kinda crappy. We in Europe got the iPhone waaay after the US to.

    It's not dominant there, doesn't matter why it's not, though yes, Apple probably got themselves to blame for the lack of success there. (The same goes for Europe, it has only been around for a short time here, if it had been around for as long as it has in the US it would have an even bigger market share.)

    Kinda everyone which are somewhat geeky/young/trendy around me seem to get the iPhone.

    And here in Örebro, Sweden, we don't have any fancy Apple stores, we don't have any retailers which actually "belong" to Apple and can help you out where Apple themselves might had put in some extra effort, heck a year or two ago we even didn't had a store which sold Apple computers.

    The Apple (buyer) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.

  20. Re:Its not just the OS and apps by Cederic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The HTC Magic is however frankly a crap device. On paper it has good specs, but it's a generation too slow for the OS and it's not really that nice.

    Disclaimer: I own one.

    Android was never going to compete on the first generation devices. The new generation - starting with the Motorola Droid - will be the ones that start to demonstrate the platform to its full potential.

    It'll be interesting to see how well it does. Me, I'm skipping Android for a generation and going n900..