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Journalists Looking For Government Money

We've been following the ongoing struggles of the print media, watching as some publications have died off and others have held to outdated principles and decried the influence of the internet. A side effect of this has been many journalists put out of work and many others fearful that informed reporting is on its way out as well. Now, an editorial in the Washington Post calls for a solution journalists would likely have scoffed at only a few years ago: federal subsidies. Robert W. McChesney and John Nichols write, "What to do? Bailing out media conglomerates would be morally and politically absurd. These firms have run journalism into the ground. If they cannot make it, let them go. Wait for 'pay-wall' technologies, billionaire philanthropists or unimagined business models to generate enough news to meet the immense demands of a self-governing society? There is no evidence that such a panacea is on the horizon. This leaves one place to look for a solution: the government." They hasten to add, "Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite."

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  1. good description by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have run journalism into the ground...

    If they would move past "Infotainment" and got back to writing good "News" instead of creating "Crisis" and attacking an administration simply to raise advertising funding I'd be inclined to buy a newspaper to read.

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    1. Re:good description by gerf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They have run journalism into the ground...

      Bull. Their business models just suck. Really, advertising potential has not decreased, but only shifted ever so slightly. If you offer a truly good experience on a local oriented website, you can recoup the losses of the drop in dead-tree paper sales. There might be more work involved, but there is still potential

    2. Re:good description by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They have run journalism into the ground...

      Without a doubt.

      attacking an administration simply to raise advertising funding

      I have nothing against attacks on administrations, but what passes for such today is largely irrelevant misdirection. Journalists with any significant insight into the subjects reported about, necessary to avoid being just a spokespuppet, are rare. Which is largely why professional 'reporters' are losing out to people with knowledge about the subject matter but with only amateurish reporting skills. If the journalist is merely a conduit, well, then frankly a blog page can do that.

      But neither is really relevant. The real problem for the journalism business is there's simply too much of it. Barring the prospects of consumers suddenly getting vast amounts of new free time, it simply needs to be massively downsized. In the modern world we don't need 100 reporters at a White House press conference. The job can be done by three or four, and then aggregated and translated. We don't need one reporter per olympic sportsman. Consumers can only read that much in a day, and when output is globally available, there isn't enough time in the world to consume even a miniscule fraction of it.

      Once far more of the business is dead and gone, then the remaining outlets will get many more eyeballs and much better advertising rates. Redundant work will have been eliminated, and in a functioning economy we'd all have gotten a little bit more free time as less actual work needs to be done. In this one we'll instead get a slight tax raise and get forced to subsidize work that has no demand and shouldn't be done.

    3. Re:good description by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I stopped reading the newspaper before I started reading news online. I stopped reading the newspaper because every article contained some political commentary whether there was any relationship between the subject of the story and the political comment.

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    4. Re:good description by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. I quit reading and subscribing to both my local and state papers when every. single. article. had enough spin slathered on top of it that I felt like I was reading Pravda. Way too many papers have been completely taken over by the hard left or hard right and pretty much spin everything so hard it feels like it was written by birthers. No thanks.

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    5. Re:good description by FutureDomain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have you read Pravda lately? Ironically, they sometimes seem to be more insightful than the American media.

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    6. Re:good description by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you read Pravda lately? Ironically, they sometimes seem to be more insightful than the American media.

      This is slashdot - people here read Depravada - russian pr0n.

      The problem is easily fixed - let the weaker ones fold. Right now, there are obviously too many newspapers for the market. Also, their product is ecologically unsound, and by the time it reaches the reader, it's out of date.

      If 90% were to close tomorrow, it would give the rest a chance to survive as a niche product, because newspapers are no longer mainstream.

      I was at the supermarket Thursday, and the local paper was trying to get people to sign up by giving away a free mp3 player. Talk about a promotion stuck in the last century - who DOESN'T have a cell phone that plays mp3s? What next - free buggy whips?

    7. Re:good description by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      250 years ago, there were no "newspapers". They were technologically impossible, and demographically unreadable.

      We had broadsheets for the limited press-runs we were capable of. And for the limited, literate population of large cities. These were pasted as bills, and informally circulated in the leaf.

      In the time of the American and French revolutions, the day belonged to the pamphleteer. His screeds, fulminations and genuine insights were the fuel for popular discourses. When the American Constitution enshrined a freedom for the press in basic law, it was the pamphleteer and "almanack" editor for whom this waas a guarantee. You may recognize the pamphleteer.

      Today we call him "the blogger".

      Newspapers grew, as a 19th century phenomenon for the obvious reasons we implied, as literate middle-classes expanded in the cities, with money to spend. Industrial papermaking and printing replaced paper-hanging and letter-press, and it became possible to turn the massive engines of industry to something as trivial as glorified broadsheets, rather than simply the production of necessities. In fact, investment capital seeking returns, demanded finding new avenues for industrialization. The newspaper was born.

      Now that the demands and opportunities of 19th century central industrialization have passed from the page of history, why should the newspaper magically be granted an existence, into perpetuity? They did not found our societies, and were instrumental mostly in our worst excesses and prejudices, not in promoting our best values and opportunities.

      If they still make buggy-whips, let their time fade away.

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    8. Re:good description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Bull. Their business models just suck."

      It's neither all one or the other. Their business models are poor. Their needs assessment is pitiful, since they don't contact customers to figure out why they are leaving. Their writing has gone into hard left or right spin. And their ads have just kept getting bigger and worse or more pervasive. Their formatting sucks; they've brought newspaper to the online world by following the online format of an article page, which is not the strong points in the newspaper format which you could read and move on quickly across a large paper spread.

      Even if they are bailed out, they will fail in the long run.

      Personally, I think it's because newspapers are generally long (top to bottom) formats and most media and monitors are widescreen. Pissy as shit to read a newspaper that way. I'd buy an HDTV mount that could be turned easily vertical if newspapers released their content into 1080p vertical and sent it to me for $.25 at 3am in the morning and 5am in the evening in a saveable format. I spend more time clicking and loading web page articles than I used to reading an entire newspaper.

      One of the better online newspapers I read was distributed in a pdf format that you could click and read. I could zoom, click to stories, zoom out. Probably was, it was a bit slow interface wise. The only reason I stopped reading it was because of the lack of content and it was more a creative non-status quo local paper attempt, which meant it came out once a month really and it really didn't have great stories. But the format was glorious, particularly reading it on a 4:3 monitor.

      I don't mind ads. I like reading a newspaper, see an ad, and moving past it quickly, or not if it was something that appealed to me. Good to see local sales. I think newspaper folks just don't get it, and should be bringing the newspaper to digital formats and making their products a thing to buy, not merely and only adapting to new forms of distribution. They have to change their entire game to them, instead of chasing pieces of technology, whether it be digital ink, web, banner ads, etc. They've piecemealed themselves into oblivion, and as such have gone to the crappy "crisis" coverage to gain temporary numbers, alienating what little audience they had left.

    9. Re:good description by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dammit, if the newspaper industry is going to get a bailout, then I demand a subsidy for my failing horse and buggy firm!

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    10. Re:good description by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have run journalism into the ground...

      Those few who retain some form of journalistic integrity are probably doing fine, especially if they have adapted their business models in a sensible way. To take an example, the only news subscription I have nowadays is to The Economist magazine. It's worth reading every week, almost from cover to cover, with proper coverage and generally thoughtful analysis (I don't always agree with their opinions, but enjoy reading them). Even the advertising tends to be good quality, from the likes of Boeing, DHL, HSBC, etc.

      Importantly, their web site is free-access for a limited amount of their content, but a good deal of it requires a subscription. Happily, the dead-tree subscription includes an online access subscription. Mostly, I read the printed version, but occasionally use the web site.

      Another difference compared to much of the news media is that the writers of artcles in The Economist are usually not identified. One reads the report for what it is, not for which self-styled superstar of journalism happened to pen it. Equally, the anonymity of the journalists prevents them from posturing in the report or attempting any self-aggrandizement in the style of would-be superstars of journalism.

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    11. Re:good description by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the modern world we don't need 100 reporters at a White House press conference. The job can be done by three or four, and then aggregated and translated.

      3 or 4 reporters can't turn into an ugly mob when a gov't official starts shoveling shit down their throats.
      So lets keep the large press conferences and press pools.
      Or do you really think 3 or 4 people can represent 300 million Americans?

      Which is largely why professional 'reporters' are losing out to people with knowledge about the subject matter but with only amateurish reporting skills. If the journalist is merely a conduit, well, then frankly a blog page can do that.

      Copyediting? Ship the Work Out to India
      http://www.businessweek.com/print/globalbiz/content/jul2008/gb2008078_678274.htm

      Journalists aren't losing out to bloggers.
      Sooner or later the USA is going to outsource everything.

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    12. Re:good description by jadavis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the newspapers are folding because people are reading their news online...for free

      The WSJ[1], and the Economist[2] are doing just fine. Why are particular publications immune? There must be another explanation.

      [1] http://www.editorsweblog.org/newspaper/2009/10/wsj_rising_circulation_offers_glimmer_of.php
      [2] http://www.economistgroup.com/our_news/press_releases/2009/results_for_the_year_ended_march_31st_2009.html

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    13. Re:good description by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those who think "sensationalism" or "political slant" is anything new need to go watch the movie His Girl Friday, made in the 1930s. This stuff dates waaaay back all the way to the 1800s. It's nothing new.

      When you have a free press it's only natural the paper will reflect the view of whoever owns it. It's our job as citizens to read both sides of the story and determine where the truth lies. Back in the past that would have meant reading both the Philadelphia Democrat and the Inquirer (republican-slanted).

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    14. Re:good description by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>>250 years ago, there were no "newspapers". They were technologically impossible, and demographically unreadable.

      That's only true if you completely-and-totally ignore the existence of founding father Benjamin Franklin. He ran a weekly Philadelphia newspaper for several decades, and became so rich he was able to retire at age 40 (circa 1750). Granted he also earned money from publishing other people's books, but to say newspapers were not possible is an untruth.

      I bet the major cities of Europe also had newspapers in the 1700s.

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    15. Re:good description by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NPR just recently covered this issue. NPR came-down on the "government funding is a good idea" viewpoint. Gee what a surprise. A partially government-funded organization that thinks more government funding is great! They have inadvertently demonstrated how Uncle Sam dollars can skew viewpoints - naturally NPR is in favor of *more* Uncle Sam programs, because "he" is their sugar daddy. ;-)

      http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/10/30/03
      Take For Granted
      October 30, 2009

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    16. Re:good description by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or do you really think 3 or 4 people can represent 300 million Americans?

      They are *reporters*. They don't "represent" anybody.

    17. Re:good description by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about WSJ but I can vouch for the Economist - I regularly pay money to read it because it's got very good (actual) journalism about happenings all over the world.

      The mainstream media is failing because they couldn't be bothered to do journalism anymore. There are major problems all over the world that need urgent attention from the media that get massively collectively ignored by the media. Let them fail. We're genuinely reaching the point where bloggers and an army of citizens with cellphone cameras etc. are doing a better job. (Still a terrible job, mind you, but better than any mainstream news rag.)

    18. Re:good description by kylemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NPR is indifferent to sources of funding. They have a huge endowment, take government money, take corporate money and beg for money from individuals every spring and fall by way of their local affiliates. If men from Mars landed today, NPR would be interviewing them tomorrow and asking them for money the next day. If the question is "money", NPR's answer is going to be "yes."

    19. Re:good description by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you missed the point I was trying to make that BOTH sides are so heavily spun to make a good 99% of what they say propaganda. I quit listening to NPR 5 years or so ago when they went on and on about we should be cutting checks and giving lots of aid to illegal aliens because there was a bad crop in California that year. Uhh hello? Did they miss the ILLEGAL part of that sentence, as in breaking our laws, not paying taxes, draining our hospitals? But of course because things like amnesty (total crock and a spit in the face to those that obeyed the law to get here) is a left issue because Mexicans vote Democrat they were ALL for it.

      The point was ALL media has become Fox news or NPR. Either you get Obama is God, or you get he is a dirty illegal alien who snuck over from Kenya to take our freedoms. propaganda is propaganda is propaganda, whether they are spewing for "your" side or not. I'd argue that BOTH sides are so damned corrupt now that without reporters shining a light on the shady deals and selling us out for big fat checks, well without that BOTH sources of media are frankly completely worthless.

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  2. Hurray for the "free" press! by cheddarlump · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a fantastic way to ensure a free press: have them paid by the very institution they're supposed to be the watchdogs for. I'm sure they won't forget how to be objective and unbiased though... /sarcasm

    1. Re:Hurray for the "free" press! by pudge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They hasten to add, "Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite."

      No, that is precisely what they called for.

      Whoever holds the purse strings is in control.

      The government might GRANT control, day to day, to the private people, but they can exert control whenever they wish to.

      And you're exactly right cheddarlump ... the press cannot be beholden to the government. It's a travesty. Just like "shield laws," where the press are beholden to the government to offer them special privileges, which, being legislative and particular to the people who have them, can be revoked.

      The way to an actual free press is to for government to give every citizen the same rights, and to stay completely out of the system.

      The real story here is that they want to save their own jobs, because they cannot figure out how to save them any other way. This isn't about The Press. If it were, they'd not have been doing such a terrible job (even before the Web came around).

      I mean come on ... look at the fricking New York Times. In the wake of Jayson Blair, they promised to rein in anonymous sources. They didn't. As a result, no one trusts the Times anymore, and no one should.

      No one trusts the "blogs" either, but at least you don't pay for those.

    2. Re:Hurray for the "free" press! by Glock27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you're exactly right cheddarlump ... the press cannot be beholden to the government. It's a travesty. Just like "shield laws," where the press are beholden to the government to offer them special privileges, which, being legislative and particular to the people who have them, can be revoked.

      The total irony here is many media outlets are being increasingly ignored over their fawning, lapdog approach to 0bama - without even a financial benefit.

      They're really just asking to be paid for their efforts.

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    3. Re:Hurray for the "free" press! by oh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We spend about $60M per year on this in Sweden. The conditions are that you have to be the second largest newspaper in town, have a circulation of at least 2000 mainly through subscriptions, must not have more than 30% of the local market and it must not have turn a profit. There are other minor conditions as well, but thats basically how it works. The money is apportioned by a special board thats politically independent.

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  3. Let them die. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Else we'll have the situation with Boscovs which was bailed-out, but after examining the store, I think should have died.

    This store has not been modernized its look since the 1980s, still employs three people to man every single register (wasteful), and carries product a modern consumer has little-to-no interest in buying (sewing patterns & machines to make your own clothes). Other stores like Penneys and Sears have streamlined their operations, eliminating product that doesn't sell, and having 3 employees serve an entire QUARTER of a store not just one register. They've cut costs and grown more efficient. Boscovs has not.

    Government bail-outs for stores just encourage inefficiency. Ditto bail-outs for newspapers. Let the papers innovate or pass-away into history (along with horsewhips and cobblers).

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  4. State run media alright! by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once you start getting $$$ from good ole goobermint teet they pretty much tell you what you can do. Same will happen with the media. After all, if they allow journalists to get money, how are they going to control who gets the $$$ or not?

    It's simple! They only fund people that are "favorable" to this years 'fad' administration.

  5. Wha? by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would government financing of media be anything but state-run media? The media is already tainted with clear and evident bias. And that's on all fronts, for those who want to taunt Fox news. We expect it from commentators and that is generally where the most overt lies but most news agencies get their news from AP and Reuters feeds. And many of them frankly read like commentary. As if personal bias hasn't destroyed true journalism over the past several decades what do you think asking for a hand-out from an administration already quite intolerant of dissent is going to do?

  6. We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomerates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The broadcast spectrum monopolies that CBS,NBC,ABC don't pay a cent for and use to ram nonstop propaganda and spam down our throats, plus the entire copyright system (deployment of government power to control what people can do with the information on their own computers). That's many many billions of bucks worth of subsidies, maybe 100's of billions. The cellular phone spectrum monopolies are at least creating revenue, but the broadcast garbage is supposedly a public service.

    Shut down broadcast TV completely, I mean all of it, have one govt-operated channel for emergency info but have it show weather reports and/or CSPAN 24/7 unless an actual emergency is taking place. Turn the rest of the spectrum over to low-power unlicensed use (like wifi). If companies want to show cheesy sitcoms, use the internet. And adjust the copyright system to stay out of people's private noncommercial communications, but to clamp down on companies (that means Google, Facebook, etc) cashing in on incidental noncommercial publishing (that means stuff like slashdot comments, that are essentially ephemeral and conversational in nature, but get vacuumed and monetized by 3rd parties who had nothing to do with producing them).

  7. corporate welfare by el_gato_borracho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure the constant threat of their government funding being cut would NEVER affect their critical coverage of said government.

    1. Re:corporate welfare by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the presence of government funding would provide a convenient cutoff point for who is considered a journalist and who isn't. If you're not receiving the government subsidy, then you're not a real journalist and hence, aren't allowed in the press-only areas or to receive the other privileges extended to real journalists.

  8. Whether they want to admit it or not by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a state-run media is exactly what they're calling for. Craven fools.

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  9. Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, the criticism they'll hand out will be like the BBC, bitching about how the government isn't doing enough.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative
      The BBC is quite critical of the government doing the wrong thing. A few things that they've criticised over the last few years (not an exhaustive list, just ones that I remember):
      • Invading Iraq with insufficient evidence.
      • MP's expenses.
      • Reclassifying cannabis as Class B against expert advice (and then sacking the experts for having politically incorrect opinions).
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    2. Re:Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The BBC is quite critical of the government doing the wrong thing

      Correction: the BBC is critical of the government doing what the BBC believes is the wrong thing. You'll never see the BBC calling for a reduction in government power.

      -jcr

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  10. Subsidize paper chauvinism now! by SlappyBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only person who is slightly appalled by saving a "medium"? I mean, fuck, why don't we just bailout the papyrus manufacturers while we're at it?

    Obviously it's time to bail out Polaroid, or else there won't be any quality pictures ever taken ever again!!

    Journalism will thrive. It will go back to its roots: pamphleteers. The idea of the monolithic newspaper journalistic elite is a product of a brief period during which corporations controlled the best distribution channels. Now they don't. Bloggers do. And journalism will be the better to show for it.

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    1. Re:Subsidize paper chauvinism now! by SlappyBastard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I call bullshit! You can't cite the worst example as universal proof, you fucking Anonymous Coward!

      There are tons of good web news sites out there. Read Talking Points Memo some time. Read Calculated Risk -- economics news on the web already far outpaces anything that has appeared in print since the days of Adam Smith. Does anyone remember reading anything in the print days as cool as the stuff Nate Silver posts online?

      Web news already is superior.

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  11. Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The American Press is already owned by the government, just not directly. When was the last, really hard hitting documentary you saw on American television? When was the last time you saw a journalist beat up on a senator or congressman (with good, tough, questions and a refusal to yeild) that led to them "blackballing" that particular newspaper/journalist?

    One of the best Australian TV shows that is quite prepared to ask tough/embaressing questions of any member of parliament is the "7:30 Report", on the ABC. The ABC (Australian Broadcast Comission) television station is solely funded by the Government, yet there is never, ever, any question about the integrity of its host (Kerry O'Brien), despite the interviewees often being the ones responsible for his pay cheque.

    I imagine it is a lot worse for all of the commercial outlets beceause they have to walk the line of being tough but nice so that where there's a new, exclusive, story to break, they have a chance of getting it. To Government funded media, there's no quest to be first with a major, breaking, story, only to do it right and do it well.

    Without corruption, I can't find a way to justify the pandering of American reporters to their politicians. And that exists today, without any subsidies, etc.

    1. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The American Press is already owned by the government, just not directly.

      The government doesn't own the press in the United States. Rather, they are both owned by corporations. The corporations want you to *think* that the government "owns" the press, and that the government is a Big Bad Boogeyman who must be defanged, because representational democracy is the only weapon the people have against unchecked corporate power.

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    2. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the advantages something like the BBC has is that it is too big for government officials to blackball. It an MP goes on Question Time or Newsnight and gets a grilling, then clips from that will show up everywhere. If they then refuse to talk to BBC reporters then that will be reported. The journalistic establishment is quite close nit in London and if you are refusing to talk to some reporters then you can bet that the ones that you will talk to are going to go out of their way to give you a hard time. If you don't talk to any, then they'll just get your opponents to talk about you instead of letting you speak.

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    3. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>When was the last, really hard hitting documentary you saw on American television?

      Glenn Beck does a virtual documentary every day. You may think he's an ass or a joke but he is right about one thing: We should be asking questions. What is the government up to, why are they doing it, and who is behind these decisions? What, why, who are the questions we should all be asking.

      Rachel Maddow operates a similar program over at MSNBC.

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    4. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Glenn Beck is not even remotely interested in questions. He asks questions that he and his fellow talking heads then proceed to make up completely unfounded answers for. His so called hard hitting questions are entirely rhetorical. Haven't you noticed that every single person on Fox is using identical language and terminology for every issue? This is not by coincidence, it is straight up indoctrination 101.

    5. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah except Beck used the same "ask questions" paradigm even when he worked for CNN. It's not a fox thing. Beck was like that even when he was on other stations.

      And you know, is it really so terrible to want to know why Anita Dunn is saying Mao Tse-tung is her favorite philosopher who she regularly turns too? That's like saying I really admire how Adolf organized the deathcamps. (frowns). Why Van Jones accuses whites of dumping our pollution in black neighborhoods? Why Congresman Frank told reporters that the "government option" is only step one, and that in the 2010s he and others will be pushing for a complete government monopoly for healthcare (i.e. like the UK and Canada). No more private insurance. No more choice.

      I don't agree with Beck's "the world is ending" viewpoint, but at least he's showing me things that MSNBC or CNN never show me. (I guess DNC-NBC is too busy showing black men carrying rifles, and claiming they are actually white racists. i.e. Propaganda.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHcCNWVeW4

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  12. Hmmm by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A solution journalists would have scoffed at a few years ago? Given that more of them are left-leaning Democrats than any other specific political orientation, why would journalists have opposed government subsidy?

    Look, these guys claim that the job of journalism is to "question, analyze and speak truth to power". What a weaselly bunch of crap. They'll cover up anything for people they like (and that crosses the political spectrum). They even quote Obama as saying "Government without a tough and vibrant media is not an option for the United States of America." This is the same guy whose administration says that Fox News isn't a real news organization, mostly because a lot of its shows spend their time attacking him and his policies - i.e., being tough and vibrant. If you disagree with my politics, then imagine if instead of the Republican kabuki of not financially supporting information about abortion in worldwide birth control efforts were suddenly to apply to domestic newspapers the next time the political tide turns. Do you think that's good for democracy?

    They then cite the historical example of some printing and postal subsidies (presumably similar to the current subsidies for books and other media via mail) and then suggest we should honor that by "greatly expand[ing] funding for public and community media, and establish[ing] policies that help convert dying daily newspapers into post-corporate low-profit news operations that realize the potential of the Internet." Do I get to qualify for "public and community" funding if I add a couple of news items to my posts about how home sales are doing in my neighborhood? (They're fine, FWIW.) Because otherwise it sounds suspiciously like how "community" funding keeps getting distributed via the same few organizations - the ones with the connections get solid government funding, and in return they toe the line.

    I like newspapers. I enjoy sitting down on Sunday morning and slowly making my way through the whole thing. So, apparently, does the president. But making public policy based on the Sunday morning habits of the upper middle class is wasteful snobbery. They're dead. Move on. And if you're a journalism major, strongly consider switching.

    1. Re:Hmmm by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fox News isn't a real news organisation not because it is right wing, but because it doesn't really care about actual truth, it just broadcasts whatever it likes regardless of the facts.

      There are plenty of right wing news organisations that are critical of the Obama administration and the left in general that haven't been classified as "not news".

      Faux News is a special case.

      The BBC is a good example of a "state funded" news outlet. Not beholden to advertising, and managed by a trust (not the government) while drawing funding from the licence fee. I don't think it's any surprise to most people that in general opinion BBC news is considered to be high quality. You will get people from both sides of the spectrum claiming it is biased either too heavily left, or too heavily conservative but the fact that it is often accused of being both a left wing and right wing propaganda machine seems to indicate it might actually be doing ok.

      If you think that a state funded news organisation could never criticise the money source then just check out the sexing up of the Iraq dossier and subsequent aftermath - a subject the BBC got themselves into hot water over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry While ultimately it resulted in the resignation of the director general, the BBC pursued the story in the face of major government displeasure.

    2. Re:Hmmm by jadavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but because [FNC] doesn't really care about actual truth

      News outlets should also be judged by the stories they run that other news outlets ignore, like corruption in Acorn, Van Jones, etc.

      If your news outlets aren't reporting these things, maybe you should include FNC so that you get all of the relevant information? I'm sure if FNC gets anything wrong, it will be debunked by various FNC critics, so you won't be misinformed.

      The BBC is a good example

      Everyone uses the BBC as a good example. But we're afraid of the bad examples.

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    3. Re:Hmmm by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

      >>>[DNC-NBC] isn't a real news organisation not because it is right wing, but because it doesn't really care about actual truth, it just broadcasts whatever it likes regardless of the facts.
      >>>

      Fixed. After all it was MS-NBC that showed a man toting a rifle at a presidential protest and had their reporters wax eloquently about "white racists who fear having a black president" for 5 solid minutes.

      Turns-out the video was creatively-edited. The rifle-carrying protester was black. MSNBC was guilty of reporting fake news, altering video, instilling fear amongst blacks, hate speech about whites ("racists"), and creating propaganda. And the rifle-guy was actually a black man! - link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

      Unbelievable.

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  13. There Is No News Crisis by logicnazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a crisis for journalists as a result of the sudden crash in their industry but that crash isn't the result of some horrible failure of the market for journalism. Just the opposite. The newspaper industry has hit bottom because the internet has made the buisness of reporting so much more efficient. I mean just thinking about the huge number of daily papers across the states carrying the same national and international news on print is enough to make one sick at the waste. Not only does it cost a great deal to publish a print daily but each of these dailies employs editors and layout people to format the same news availible anywhere in their particular style. Many of them even insist on hiring their own reporters even when it's obviously duplicated effort (say reviewing national movies/TV shows).

    Once competition drives most local papers to focus on local intersts and everyone to publish online it will free up a quite substantial amount of money for real reporting. Though actually a lot of what journalists call real reporting is duplicated effort for the sake of status. I mean does it really help the public understand what's going on better to have 40+ journalists at the white house press briefings and who knows how much AV equitment? If they just sent over a single camera crew and agreed on a way to pick questions there would be no harm to the quality of reporting. Much of this is just done because historically that behavior signaled prestige and seriousness in the news industry.

    I don't think the newspapers are doing anything wrong. But when technology lets you accomplish the same job with disruptively less total effort (delivering news to the nation) many people are going to lose their jobs and most of the companies in that industry will go out of buisness. I feel sorry for the people with careers in the industry but I think there is every reason to believe that after things settle down there will be just as much investigative reporting and important journalism. There will just be less redundancy and a more efficient use of reporting resources.

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    1. Re:There Is No News Crisis by Pope+Jimbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the very near past, newspapers were making profit margins of 30%, today they are still making margins of 10%. The problem isn't that they are unprofitable (they are more profitable than health insurance companies - 6%), it is that they over extended themselves when times were good. http://online.barrons.com/article_email/SB125633654783004637-lMyQjAxMDI5NTI2NDMyMzQ2Wj.html?page=sp Yes, they will have to update their business model to reflect the realities of the digital world, but most of their woes are related to making less of a profit than they had expected. There is a big difference between making less of a profit and not making any profit.

    2. Re:There Is No News Crisis by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the problem is just the opposite, in that they are doing EVERYTHING wrong, because they are still trying to print the same paper they did in 1965, when if you missed the 6 'o clock news you were SOL. The reason I gave up on the local and state papers were the ONLY actual local and state stories were bake sales, who died, which little league team won the local game. That's it. No hard hitting questions, no looking into local or state grafts and corruption, just local "fluffy kitten" stories and the same old AP crap spewed with a hard spin on top to try to make it look like it wasn't a straight copypasta.

      I just don't know if they CAN recover, or if they have been so infected with the "too big to fail" mentality, where they think they can just keep churning out the same tired old crap, "maximizing profit potential" by only keeping a few 'reporters" around to add spin and retype press releases, and generally acting the same as when LBJ was president. I bet if you took any of the failing papers and switched them for any of the other failing papers, frankly the readers wouldn't notice.

      So I don't know whether the Internet bloggers can take up where they left off, but frankly the "reporting" done by the state and local papers I have read is simply worthless, and is therefor failing because its readers recognize it to be lousy. They simply don't report from what I have seen, at least around here, they just regurgitate and spin. With all the talk about how much we "need" a free press, if this is the sort of free press they are talking about frankly they can keep it.

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  14. Just look around by svirre · · Score: 4, Informative

    In norway print media is getting significant goverment subsidies. The consequence is that rather than having media which is a watchdog over goverment, they have become a shill of the leftist 'big-goverment' political parties. (Since these are the parties that will guarantee their continued pipe into taxpayer money)

    Every time somone brings up the question of subsidies you can trust that every newspaper will write long editorials why they need to keep getting money.

    Particularly aggravating is the fact that a small selection of newspapers are getting preferential treatment (more money than others). These papers just happen to be the papers that used to be the publishing fronts for four leftist political parties. They claim to be independent of cource, but it won't take much reading to realize just how skewed their presentation really is.

    So just take a look around and you will quickly find good reasons why not to start subsidizing the press.

  15. Re:We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomera by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

    >>>The broadcast spectrum monopolies that CBS,NBC,ABC don't pay a cent for

    False. I wish people would stop repeating this oft-stated lie. The ~2000 TV stations plus ~10,000 lowpower/clear air neighborhood stations all pay a lease for their spectrum (called a license fee).

    >>>plus the entire copyright system

    On this we agree. The original version in the 1790 Act was reasonable - 14 years of monopoly helped the authors stand on their own feet and earn money from their labor. Today's 105-year span is ridiculous. It's like creating a welfare state where an author pen a best-seller in his 20s, and then sit on his ass for the rest of his life, signing books, and collecting the residuals. (cough J.K.Rowlings). The rest of us poor slobs have to work 'til we're 70 or 80.

    14 years plus a possibility for renewal (28 years total) is long enough.

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  16. MSNBC by rlp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We already have state-run media. They might as well get paid by the government for their services.

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  17. Re:We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomera by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

    Hold on, I just noticed this:

    >>>Shut down broadcast TV completely, I mean all of it

    I like my free television, thank you very much. Including the subchannels I am able to get 40 different programs at any time of the day. Why should I give that up for some inferior slow, interference-prone, overloaded, non-HD Wifi connection? I do watch some steaming television via the net, but don't particularly like it. It's poor sub-standard definition VHS-level quality and prone to sudden pauses in the middle of the show. I tried to watch Sanctuary on scifi.com, and the damn thing got stuck in an infinite loop - the same 30 seconds repeated over and over.

    I prefer broadcast. Maybe someday in the future, say 2030, the internet will finally catchup to the same HD-level quality as over-the-air ATSC, but certainly not now.

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  18. Let them die by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    News is alive an well, just not in the traditional, dominant media outlets. We have online blogs and weekly newspapers that are in many cases thriving. In my hometown, a tiny rural weekly called "The Altamont Enterprise" has such a demand for local advertising that they've had to add a second section. 15 years ago, it was a 10 page weekly, now its closer to 50.

    Why the growth? The local newspaper, the Hearst-owned Albany Times-Union doesn't really provide a service to people in the outlying areas of Albany. Even within the area that the traditional paper claims to serve, the editorial practices of the paper marginalize it as a provider of news that people want to hear. Often, you know when important things are going on because they don't appear in the paper.

    When the daily papers die, others will take their place. The only thing missing will be the editorial boards that are typically in cahoots with politicians and business. Keeping them on life support is suppressing the development of new news organizations.

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  19. Government money == government control. by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool (or a liar who wants government control).

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  20. Two points by microbox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Whoever holds the purse strings is in control.
    • The BBC is a government institution that holds its own purse strings -- effectively having the right to raise its own taxes.
    • In western countries, public news organisations offer by far the highest quality of reporting. Furthermore, we get that without advertising, and for less total cost. It's amazes me that people will dismiss such a solution out of hand.

    Personally I can't wait for the demise of corporate media -- which is beholden to advertising and other corporate interests, and has a dismal record for blatant editorialising.

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    1. Re:Two points by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>The BBC is a government institution that holds its own purse strings --

      Except when you don't pay that TV license fee (tax), then the BBC calls on the government to round you up and toss you in jail, or extract the funds from your paycheck. So the BBC is not really independent of the government - its *beholden* to the government to enforce its collection of funds.
      .

      >>>In western countries, public news organisations offer by far the highest quality of reporting

      Not in the States. NPR and PBS sucks when it comes to news gathering since it was biased towards a statist regime (more/bigger government). If the reporters at this organizations had their way private ownership would be dead and our homes/car/et cetera would all be government owned. Okay I maybe be exaggerating a little but that is how their reporting leans.

      The only good news is that NPR/PBS only costs me about $10 a year in taxation, so it doesn't really "hurt" me that much.

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    2. Re:Two points by pudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The BBC is a government institution that holds its own purse strings -- effectively having the right to raise its own taxes.

      Yes. And the BBC also is controlled by the government, which regulates content and can fine news organizations for not doing what the government thinks they should do.

      In western countries, public news organisations offer by far the highest quality of reporting.

      False.

      Furthermore, we get that without advertising, and for less total cost.

      Also false. There IS advertising -- in the U.S. anyway -- and the total cost is only less depending on how you're looking at it.

      Now keep in mind, my favorite news program is NewsHour -- I watch it every day -- which is funded in part from government sources. So it's not like I am saying they do poor reporting.

      But my argument is that quality isn't the point -- as there is also outstanding reporting from "corporate media" -- rather, the point is liberty, freedom, trust, rights, responsibility.

  21. Journalistic Co-Op by misfit815 · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  22. DNC-NBC by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or the communications arm of the democratic party called MSNBC, NBC, GE, or any other organization that stands to gain huge profits from Carbon Taxes. 'k thanks.

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  23. As A Former Newspaper Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I worked for the Rocky Mountain News and the Denver Newspaper Agency (DNA) for a number of years. I'd like to share my thoughts on why newspapers companies are failing.

    First, in this era where Content is King, the quality of newspaper content has been declining steadily. Most reporting is little more than regurgitated press releases and wire stories. The original writing is largely confined to the sports section. Reporting quality has been discussed to death so I won't go into details. Suffice to say that most of the original reporting in the main section is stories about stories. These secondary stories have very little value.

    Second is the rampant cronyism in the executive ranks. At the DNA I watched a seemingly endless parade of senior executives come and go. These people move from one newspaper to another every couple of years. Much ballyhooed when they arrive, they never accomplish anything. At least two senior execs are on their second round at the DNA. These are the people who lead the newspaper industry right to the brink. They do not know what to do now. Most of them are nearing retirement age and I doubt the newspaper industry can recover until they do retire.

    Next, ignoring the web was a huge mistake. It might be fatal. As an example, in the spring of 2009, the new President of the DNA (he was President of The Denver Post a few years ago) said something like "We've barely scratched the surface of what we're going to do with the web". The voice in my head was screaming "That's why they're eating our lunch!" So what have they done with the web since then? If you read the preceding paragraph you already know the answer to that question.

    Finally, there is the revenue problem. The last twenty years or so have seen an explosion in the amount of available advertising space. Think back a few years, half a dozen local TV stations, a few radio stations, and your local newspaper were the main venues for advertising. Today, advertising is everywhere. It's a simple case of Supply and Demand. The skyrocketing supply drove prices down. Meanwhile, the price of newsprint was also skyrocketing. It's reached the point where newspapers can't compete because their costs are too high.

    So what's the solution? I don't know. I do know that government subsidies aren't the answer. Propping up an industry that's killing itself won't help you or me. It will help those old newspaper execs retire comfortably. That is all.

  24. What planet are you all living on? by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe the comments that say that government-funded media will be Soviet-style Propaganda machines. Are you people out of your minds? Can anyone here name me one program or reporter more critical of the government than Bill Moyers? His programs get financed by PBS, a government corporation.

    In fact, that's exactly what corporations want you to believe, because public funding will be the only thing that frees journalists from the corporate teat. It will effectively shut down the corporate media oligarchy we have today.

    Are you all slaves for the corporations or whatever organization pays your salaries? Is that the only lens through which you can see the world?

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  25. The BBC is a good example. by EWAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC is the single best news organization in the world, full stop. Nobody else comes close for global reach and insight. It receives "government" money, i.e. the TV license fee. As a result, it is required by law to be politically neutral, which is one of the best things about it. (So too, is NPR, and if you think NPR is biased, as many conservatives do, it just shows where YOU stand.)

    Because the BBC is government funded it is watched like a hawk by everybody -- the party in power, the party in opposition, the taxpayers' lobby, and so on. It just cut out 20% of its own management thanks to public pressure.

    It's not perfect; there is waste and abuse at times. But it beats the hell out of any American news organization whatsoever.

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    1. Re:The BBC is a good example. by warncke · · Score: 2

      In order for CNN to turn into BBC CNN would have to fire everyone (management, staff, reporters, personalities), increase investment in actual reporting by about 1000X, and somehow find a staff of competent people to work for them, which would probably be hard to do in the U.S.

      CNN is basically a very well funded high school "journalism" workshop. There product is garbage. It is embarrassing beyond belief.

      The best cable news shows in the U.S. are The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. The best real news program is Democracy Now. (Judging these things in terms of critical analysis, original reporting, coverage of uncovered stories, the people interviewed, seriousness of topics covered, etc.)

      The only bias CNN has is towards incompetence and stupidity. Just about every news outlet in the U.S. has the same bias.

      Bias is an irrelevant issue. All political parties and politicians are continually lying and attempting to mislead the public. Any competent news organization will always be "biased" against some political party or another if it is focused on the truth.

      A good news organization maintains its bias for truth regardless of the subject of coverage. Even when a news organization fails in this respect, and exercises its bias for truth with only some subjects, it can still be useful. Once a news organisation abandons the bias for truth entirely, or is simply made up of people too incompetent to discern truth from fiction, then it is totally useless.

      That is the bulk of the U.S. media.

  26. Responsible mainstream journalism? by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where has that been hiding? Where were they during the buildup to the iraq invasion, covering all the WMD non stories, that they were pushing after getting "the real info" from out of the government's lie-hole? Parrots, not journalists, the safe way, no boat rocking, no fact checking. Where was all this "fact checking" going on, the post, the ny times, where? Where has been the useful coverage of the economic situation, where were the *good articles*, with the real skinny, main stream traditional news, regurgitating Whitehouse and Fed and Treasury press releases, or places like matt taibbi's stuff in the rolling stone, and dr. housing bubble blog and so on? Why can't they investigate government COMPLETE BS statistics on the economy, and you have to go to shadowstats instead to get it de obfuscated? Where has the real news of war come from, those "embedded" reporters? Ha! How about black box voting? Main stream news..not a peep, it took blackbox voting dog org and brad blog and places like that to get some notice and action going out there, you sure as hell didn't see abcnbccbswallstreethjournalnewyorktimeswapo nonsense bringing it up, and that is sort of *important* in an alleged free democracy. Where the hell is their coverage of sibel edmonds rather *interesting* tale?

    One million examples there, tends to indicate a "trend"

      Blow dried blowhards. They know where their check comes from and what they can say or not.

    Naw, let the controlled establishment propaganda arm of government/ big money interests (the same exact thing) crash and burn, they DESERVE it. They deserved it years ago, as pointed out by an insider journalist a long ago, who grew disillusioned working for the mainstream press and switched to being independent and working for the then new labor movement:

    "There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

    There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

    The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

    We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

  27. Re:We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomera by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Insightful

    False. I wish people would stop repeating this oft-stated lie. The ~2000 TV stations plus ~10,000 lowpower/clear air neighborhood stations all pay a lease for their spectrum (called a license fee).

    Can you provide some evidence of this? I can find application fees, but not spectrum license fees for the TV stations.

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  28. Projection by microbox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Did you even bother reading the source you linked? It completely undermines your argument, and supports mine.

    Take this little snippet: Despite the commonness of such claims, little evidence has ever been presented for a left bias at NPR , and FAIR’s latest study gives it no support.

    It's hilarious that blatantly biased conservative media will call something like NPR/PBS as "liberal media".

    Conservatives are circumspect when talking about the bias in their favourite media -- and invariably go on the offensive, accusing objective media outlets as being liberally biased -- when there is no evidence for that in NPR/PBS. The supposition is that people disagree with your life-stance because of poor education, and are suckered by the liberal media elite, when no such elite operates in comparison to the conservative media elite.

    In psychological terms, that's called projection. It's also irrational, since there are ways to operationally define media objectivity, even though it's a complex issue.

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    1. Re:Projection by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought it a bit implausible that NPR had never interviewed Ron Paul. In fact, I was so certain that I knew what the result would be, my only reason for googling it was to make you look dumb.

      I was right.

      You were wrong.

      Link: Ron Paul on All Things Considered .

      You can dismiss that as a small thing, but I hope you'll give it a moment's consideration. The whole point of carrying a model of the world around in your head is so that you can make accurate predictions about things when you don't have first-hand experience. If your mental model of NPR leads you to predict that they would never dare let Ron Paul speak, or Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck, or Michael Steele, or climate change denier Richard Lindzen, or former Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr on their airwaves, then clearly your understanding of NPR is crap, and your belief that you know what NPR is about is deluded.

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  29. I Agree, Sort Of by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite.

    We seek to renew a rich if largely forgotten legacy of the American free-press tradition, one that speaks directly to today's crisis. The First Amendment necessarily prohibits state censorship, but it does not prevent citizens from using their government to subsidize and spawn independent media.

    Indeed, the post-colonial press system was built on massive postal and printing subsidies. The first generations of Americans never imagined that the market would provide sound or sufficient journalism. The notion was unthinkable. They established enlightened subsidies, which broadened the marketplace of ideas and enhanced and protected core freedoms. Their initiatives were essential to America's progress.

    So, the subsidies were on the infrastructure of free speech, eh?

    Fine; how about this: The government subsidizes the Internent, and to satisfy that "first amendment" thing you mention, they also require net neutrality. For the subsidy side, I propose that the United States government establish and fund some sort of entity for assigned names and numbers that can remove the expense of individual corporations having to develop their own contentious and lawsuit-encumbered system for apportioning such things, and a do the same for a name resolution system of some sort, with root nameservers provisioned largely at government expense. Perhaps the government could even go back in time and invent the system itself.

    Would that be enough of a subsidy and guarantee of freedom of speech? I think it is a pretty solid foundation at the least.

    Now, jerkwad, go forth and take advantage of all that we taxpayers have given ourselves through the creation of the Internet and the continued provision of its core infrastructural metadata. You want to journalize? Good! Be fruitful and journalize. Compete, you putz. And if you think the competition is skewed (and I think it is) perhaps you can start by journalizing about what is wrong with the system, just as the pamphleteers started not by begging for handouts but by invigorating the public furor.

    But stop trying to dip in my pocket, you welfare queen.

  30. "The BBC is so slanted" by michaelhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let's see...

    They spend the least amount of time pushing sensational stories.

    They report the news evenly. They do not stop everything just to get a shot of the Balloon Boy.

    They do not manipulate the viewer with false outrage or emotionalism.

    They promote dialog (the Doha Debates), not punditry.

    They gather stories from all over the world, not just one place, i.e. the USA.

    They do hard-hitting indepth interviews with intelligent people (Hardtalk)

    I could go on.

    Yes the BBC is slanted: towards quality journalism.

    There is no comparison between the it and CNN/MSNBC/FOX.

    I think many people here defending CNN/Fox/MSNBC (pick your poison) confuse the righteousness of their political beliefs (and therefore the villainy of any news organization that promotes alternative ideas) with the qualities of good journalism in general. Good journalism is what furthers their beliefs. Bad journalism is the other guy.

  31. Re:We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomera by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fees paid to the FCC seem to be meant to reflect the cost of processing the application and performing the FCC's regulatory duties. Not a word about paying to use the spectrum itself. [src]

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  32. Re:"Whoever holds the purse strings is in control. by pudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While the CBC has a mandate to promote Canadian unity, which I feel compromises its reporting on Quebec nationalism, I think nobody in Canada would say the government controls what the CBC reports.

    So apart from where it controls what the CBC reports, it doesn't control what the CBC reports.

    OK. :-)

    I am not saying that the press can't act independently most of the time. I am saying that -- unless you have full transparency, which of course (ironically) doesn't exist in journalism -- you never know if there's something they are hiding or misrepresenting. Maybe 99 percent of the time they are independent, but you never where that one percent is lurking. And this strikes directly at the issue of trust, without which most mainstream media cannot survive.

    As the MSM audience bleeds away, the danger to quality journalism at the CBC comes from market forces, not government forces.

    For now. As far as you know. And as the MSM audience bleeds away, there's less opportunity to KNOW whether the government has undue influence, because there's fewer other people from other media checking up on the stories.

    Whether or not the CBC is independent now or in the past is not the point. It's about trust for the next story, and the next, and the next after that. And trust requires not just a track record but also a reliable foundation, and being paid by the people you're covering is simply not such a foundation.