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Find DARPA's Balloons, Win $40K

coondoggie writes "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency today offered up a rather interesting challenge: find and plot 10 red weather balloons scattered at undisclosed locations across the country. The first person to identify the location of all the balloons and enter them on the challenge Web site will win a $40,000 cash prize. According to the agency, the balloons will be in readily accessible locations, visible from nearby roadways and accompanied by DARPA representatives. All balloons are scheduled to go on display at all locations at 10:00AM (ET) until approximately 4:00 PM on Saturday, December 5, 2009."

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  1. I sense. I sense... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An unholy mashup between Twitter and a bunch of cell phone cameras.

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    1. Re:I sense. I sense... by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's kind of the point: "In the 40 years since this breakthrough, the Internet has become an integral part of society and the global economy. The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems."

    2. Re:I sense. I sense... by izomiac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That has some interesting applications. Whereas it might take hundreds or thousands of UAVs/aircraft to locate these balloons, a sympathetic population might very well be able to do it for a fraction of the cost and risk. Who knows, maybe the next time we're occupying a country the military might give out free cell phones to generate a little good will and put the population to work finding our enemies.

  2. Re:One person? by polymeris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It probably is some kind of social experiment to see who people trust over the Internet and under time pressure.

  3. My guess: half of a high-tech vs low-tech contest by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is, we're seeing half of a contest pitting high-end defense technology vs the "stupid cheap easy" solution.

    SCENE: PENTAGON STAFF ROOM
    Mil Contractor: "And so you see, with our latest satellite imaging systems, we can search and pinpoint the location of a human-sized target object within 10 days for a nation the size of the US or Russia."
    Dumb General: "Wow. We need to spend some billions on this."
    Smart General: "Pff. I bet you could do better by plain old "boots on the ground" spywork. You'd need a pretty big network of observers though..."
    Smart 5-star general: "Well, boys, let's find out."

    at least, this is a good enough story that I *hope* it's what's going on...

  4. Re:The Purpose by dynamo52 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The publicly stated purpose of this exercise can be found here: [fixed that for you]

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  5. Re:Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by blankinthefill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The average person may think that $40,000 is a lot... but it's nothing in terms of operating budgets for even medium sized companies. From the Darpa site, looking at their unclassified budget for 2010 ( http://www.darpa.mil/Docs/2010PBDARPAMay2009.pdf ) (That's a PDF, by the way, and also has numbers for 2009 and 2008), you can see that the budget easily runs into the billions of dollars. For a comparison, forty thousand dollars is 0.004 PERCENT of one billion dollars. To someone with a salary of seventy five thousand dollars a year, the equivalent percentage would be 3 dollars. That's barely pocket change, and it assumes a budget much lower than the actual operating budget of DARPA. Taking this into consideration, that's pretty cheap. Especially if they're planning to study anything by doing this (and if you think they wont get SOMETHING useful out of this, then you're even denser than I am), that's a relative bargain. Even if they DON'T get anything worthwhile out of this contest, the publicity alone is probably worth it when you consider possible recruits that they attract because of increased interest. Your claim that they are 'wasting taxpayer money' is pure FUD, and, to be honest, even if it wasn't, $40k isn't even a drop in the bucket of the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that was collected in taxes in 2008.

  6. Re:Social media test? by spleen_blender · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was following you until the part about warrants. What are you thinking could possibly require one that is related to this?

  7. Re:One person? by tdvaughan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the real challenge will be stopping people from placing fake balloons that look just like the real ones. It's what I would do if I really wanted to win the prize.

  8. Re:One person? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This contest absolutely is not about using technology to coordinate, as is roughly implied in DARPA's statement

    The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems.

    That is, it's not about disparate strangers coordinating quickly, as might be useful in, say, a natural crisis like an earthquake or hurricane or missing child, but networks of social trust. If they just wanted to see how fast people could put together an ad hoc information network, I bet they'd get less wrong answers submitted and the right answer submitted much sooner if there were no prize involved - people would be free with the information because it would just be a game. There'd be no incentive for deception or secrecy.

    I'm guessing DARPA doesn't care about that. That's why they've got $40k on the line- not to promote communication, but to promote disinformation. They don't want to know who can build a network with modern technology, they want to know how people will build a network of trust when there's a serious incentive for betrayal.

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  9. Re:One person? by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm guessing DARPA doesn't care about that. That's why they've got $40k on the line- not to promote communication, but to promote disinformation. They don't want to know who can build a network with modern technology, they want to know how people will build a network of trust when there's a serious incentive for betrayal.

    Betrayal is also a function of who makes up the ad hoc network, that is whether it is truly spontaneous and ad hoc among the general population or whether it arises within an existing network. My bet is that if the prize is won at all, it will be within a network that already exists. The general population is too diffuse and unorganized to gather all the data and organize and filter it.
     
    Therefore you can examine various groups and their characteristics and determine the odds of betrayal. For example, if the B-tards decide to go after the prize, the odds of betrayal are essentially unity. (But their self generated noise level would probably prevent them from winning.) If the Boy Scouts decide to do so, the odds of betrayal go way down. (Bit I don't know if the Boy Scouts have the reasonably centralized and connected communications network need to make this work.)