I speak as if it is the only kind that has the INTENT of creating a chilling effect.
But that isn't the only kind, organized crime will often try to dissuade competition and create warnings to rivals and send messages with violence. I'm not really sure what I think of that part of it, but I do know that crimes where the action actively intends to send a message should be punished more than crimes with action and no intended message. We as a society have the ability to make laws to try to form a future society in an image we want.
I want a society where there are no people who have thoughts or beliefs which would be considered "hateful", as in racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. By punishing those more harshly I believe it adds momentum toward reaching that destination.
The intent of other crime isn't the chilling effect though. So are you arguing intent doesn't matter and only the consequences of actions matter? Because I can eviscerate you on that topic if you want.
Or are you implying hate crime doesn't intend to create a chilling effect? I find it hard to believe you could be so stupid as to think that and simultaneously be capable of operating a computer.
No, she isn't the goal. The goal is revenge... not to send a message to anyone but to satisfy his twisted perspective of justice, regardless of his state of mind at the time.
I'm blown away he's gotten (5, Insightful). This community is fucking dying if crap like this is thought of as insightful. It is shallow and petulant thinking.
You're also ignoring the fact that hate crime has the intent of causing a chilling effect throughout a community IN ADDITION TO the direct harm caused to their target. It objectively causes more harm than normal non "hate" crime.
Oh come on... you're nitpicking semantics. And love is not the opposite of hate anyway, apathy is. Which is what non- "racism motivated crime" et al. IS.
Normal murder the person killing has apathy for the life of the other person. It is in the way of them obtaining what they want. Burglary, contract killing, gang wars, revenge, etc.
HATE crime is committing the act not because you don't care who they are and they are an obstacle to your goal, but because THEY ARE THE GOAL.
Let's just do away with different degrees of murder and manslaughter too then. Since motive doesn't matter apparently. Accidentally kill a guy in a car accident? Just as bad as plotting and executing your ex wife since the result of their actual actions are the same. DERP.
But I thought when oil was refined that both diesel and regular as well as a bunch of other products just by the nature of how the hydrocarbons separate.
I guess another way of saying it is after diesel is created in its maximum quantity per unit of oil, can the byproducts be further refined into other fuels including regular gas?
You're either a good slave or one who will be against the wall too when this shit comes.
Plenty of good men and women contribute to society every day without being told to by a master and get slapped down by the powers that be BECAUSE it threatens their dominance.
Letting these sociopaths know their very lives are on the line for every one of their actions is the only way to have any leverage. They obviously have few scruples about exerting their maximal force against the targets of their choosing so you have to push back with equal or greater force.
No No NO. Terrorism has a specific meaning. The use of fear to achieve political objectives. Your definition does nothing but spread the purview of The War On Terror(TM) as does any misuse of the word "terrorism."
Excuse me? Fuck you, sir. I'm a retired Marine but I'm so goddamn sick of people hoisting up military service as if it makes you a super-citizen or gives you any superior insight.
They treat you with utter respect, these flag waving suit wearing pricks, until it comes down to them having to keep their word on medical care and other promised benefits.
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To whom are messages usually sent in organized crime?
Generally I believe it is rivals, not communities of law abiding citizens.
Does that really not make a difference to you?
I speak as if it is the only kind that has the INTENT of creating a chilling effect.
But that isn't the only kind, organized crime will often try to dissuade competition and create warnings to rivals and send messages with violence. I'm not really sure what I think of that part of it, but I do know that crimes where the action actively intends to send a message should be punished more than crimes with action and no intended message. We as a society have the ability to make laws to try to form a future society in an image we want.
I want a society where there are no people who have thoughts or beliefs which would be considered "hateful", as in racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. By punishing those more harshly I believe it adds momentum toward reaching that destination.
You say "less punishment" where you could easily have said the other person deserves "more punishment".
Why is that?
I'm glad someone appreciated it.
Yeah, then they just mod you a troll or overrated and keep going on with their ridiculous overinflated egos spouting stupidity as if it is insight.
So depressing... I remember back in the day when... ah fuck it. I don't even care about the nostalgia anymore.
Is premeditated murder thought crime compared to 2nd degree murder?
I completely agree with all you said.
I support hate crime laws, you illiterate twat.
Not you, for sure.
The intent of other crime isn't the chilling effect though. So are you arguing intent doesn't matter and only the consequences of actions matter? Because I can eviscerate you on that topic if you want.
Or are you implying hate crime doesn't intend to create a chilling effect? I find it hard to believe you could be so stupid as to think that and simultaneously be capable of operating a computer.
Read the other threads under this parent instead of trolling here, please. I'm proving why I'm right without uncertainty.
No, she isn't the goal. The goal is revenge... not to send a message to anyone but to satisfy his twisted perspective of justice, regardless of his state of mind at the time.
I'm blown away he's gotten (5, Insightful). This community is fucking dying if crap like this is thought of as insightful. It is shallow and petulant thinking.
Parent said he doesn't care about intent and only the results, fuckwit.
You're also ignoring the fact that hate crime has the intent of causing a chilling effect throughout a community IN ADDITION TO the direct harm caused to their target. It objectively causes more harm than normal non "hate" crime.
You're a fucking brainiac.
Coincidence of differing associations (race, gang, etc) is not the same as motive as you're describing though.
imo hate crime charges should ONLY be pursued when it is clear that the race, sex, etc was the motivating factor and not simply coincidental.
Oh come on... you're nitpicking semantics. And love is not the opposite of hate anyway, apathy is. Which is what non- "racism motivated crime" et al. IS.
Normal murder the person killing has apathy for the life of the other person. It is in the way of them obtaining what they want. Burglary, contract killing, gang wars, revenge, etc.
HATE crime is committing the act not because you don't care who they are and they are an obstacle to your goal, but because THEY ARE THE GOAL.
Can you really not see that distinction?
Given your reasoned response I'd like to hear why you do not support hate crime legislation.
Let's just do away with different degrees of murder and manslaughter too then. Since motive doesn't matter apparently. Accidentally kill a guy in a car accident? Just as bad as plotting and executing your ex wife since the result of their actual actions are the same. DERP.
But I thought when oil was refined that both diesel and regular as well as a bunch of other products just by the nature of how the hydrocarbons separate.
I guess another way of saying it is after diesel is created in its maximum quantity per unit of oil, can the byproducts be further refined into other fuels including regular gas?
You're either a good slave or one who will be against the wall too when this shit comes.
Plenty of good men and women contribute to society every day without being told to by a master and get slapped down by the powers that be BECAUSE it threatens their dominance.
Letting these sociopaths know their very lives are on the line for every one of their actions is the only way to have any leverage. They obviously have few scruples about exerting their maximal force against the targets of their choosing so you have to push back with equal or greater force.
No No NO. Terrorism has a specific meaning. The use of fear to achieve political objectives. Your definition does nothing but spread the purview of The War On Terror(TM) as does any misuse of the word "terrorism."
"earned the right to be listened to"
Excuse me? Fuck you, sir. I'm a retired Marine but I'm so goddamn sick of people hoisting up military service as if it makes you a super-citizen or gives you any superior insight.
They treat you with utter respect, these flag waving suit wearing pricks, until it comes down to them having to keep their word on medical care and other promised benefits.
XBox.
XBox Live avatar world, like a virtual world with social networking built in. Sidestep gains from any other social network by making it unique (virtual environment) and exclusive (XBox Live).
Awesome! When Facebook crashes and burns it'll also hurt Skype! Two birds, one stone.