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Find DARPA's Balloons, Win $40K

coondoggie writes "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency today offered up a rather interesting challenge: find and plot 10 red weather balloons scattered at undisclosed locations across the country. The first person to identify the location of all the balloons and enter them on the challenge Web site will win a $40,000 cash prize. According to the agency, the balloons will be in readily accessible locations, visible from nearby roadways and accompanied by DARPA representatives. All balloons are scheduled to go on display at all locations at 10:00AM (ET) until approximately 4:00 PM on Saturday, December 5, 2009."

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  1. I sense. I sense... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An unholy mashup between Twitter and a bunch of cell phone cameras.

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    1. Re:I sense. I sense... by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's kind of the point: "In the 40 years since this breakthrough, the Internet has become an integral part of society and the global economy. The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems."

    2. Re:I sense. I sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry to disappoint, but this is only 10 Luftballons.
      I think you were looking for 99 of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Luftballons

    3. Re:I sense. I sense... by KibibyteBrain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's probably the point. DARPA wants to demonstrate empirically that mobile communications have reached the point where ordinary people can coordinate using ordinary technology to achieve what would historically have needed to be a fine tuned professional intelligence operation.

    4. Re:I sense. I sense... by izomiac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That has some interesting applications. Whereas it might take hundreds or thousands of UAVs/aircraft to locate these balloons, a sympathetic population might very well be able to do it for a fraction of the cost and risk. Who knows, maybe the next time we're occupying a country the military might give out free cell phones to generate a little good will and put the population to work finding our enemies.

  2. Oh great....don't fall for it everyone! by VinylRecords · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not another balloon hoax!

    1. Re:Oh great....don't fall for it everyone! by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shhhh! It's for the TV show!

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  3. Help me find them! by PapiAlDente · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Come help find the balloons at a collaborative website--first to find each balloon gets to share in the prize money! http://balloonfinder.superfunhappy.com

  4. One person? by paul248 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, only one person wins the prize, even though it will almost certainly require the effort of an online community? This sounds like a breeding ground for betrayal.

    1. Re:One person? by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe that's the actual goal of that challenge. Not how people will find the balloons but how people will cooperate together if there's only a single prize to be won.

    2. Re:One person? by paul248 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I was thinking more about that. A public online community will help you find all the real coordinates quickly, but there will undoubtedly be a lot of *fake* coordinates mixed in.

      I think the real challenge won't be in finding the balloons, it will be in validating and filtering out all the non-balloons.

    3. Re:One person? by polymeris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It probably is some kind of social experiment to see who people trust over the Internet and under time pressure.

    4. Re:One person? by dynamo52 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was thinking it is more to test their abilities to filter and monitor internet traffic patterns related to a particular event. How much do you want to bet Echelon will be scanning for the words "red" and "balloon" during the challenge?

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    5. Re:One person? by El+Micko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the problem is who gets the prize..
      And that's the stumbling block, preventing widespread collaboration..
      Set up your collective to donate to a charity, or the EFF, or Cowboy Neal... or something worthwhile.

      Go on.. it'll be more fun than a LUG meeting.

      How hard can it be to mobilise tens of thousands of Nerds..

      (Unless its really windy.. these suckers arent getting to Australia.. so I cant help..)

      They should release 99 luftballoons! Sorry. Unecessary 80's flash back there..

    6. Re:One person? by dynamo52 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Possibly to determine if they are able to focus in on an unknown individual who has managed to acquire certain specific information in a timely manner. I could see many anti-terrorism implications in an experiment of this nature.

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    7. Re:One person? by tdvaughan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the real challenge will be stopping people from placing fake balloons that look just like the real ones. It's what I would do if I really wanted to win the prize.

    8. Re:One person? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This contest absolutely is not about using technology to coordinate, as is roughly implied in DARPA's statement

      The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems.

      That is, it's not about disparate strangers coordinating quickly, as might be useful in, say, a natural crisis like an earthquake or hurricane or missing child, but networks of social trust. If they just wanted to see how fast people could put together an ad hoc information network, I bet they'd get less wrong answers submitted and the right answer submitted much sooner if there were no prize involved - people would be free with the information because it would just be a game. There'd be no incentive for deception or secrecy.

      I'm guessing DARPA doesn't care about that. That's why they've got $40k on the line- not to promote communication, but to promote disinformation. They don't want to know who can build a network with modern technology, they want to know how people will build a network of trust when there's a serious incentive for betrayal.

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    9. Re:One person? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also this allows them to:

      - Prepare, plan and hypothesize ahead of time - not really possible with a non-manufactured event.

      - Create a unique situation, making the experiment easier by reducing the amount irrelevant information that will be turned up looking for info relating to the event.

      - As others have said, this has a social experiment aspect to it as well - who will win with such a big incentive for betrayal? A small well-organized group, or an aggregator site that grabs loads of possibly useless results and assaults DARPA with random combinations of locations until it wins, and then gives the informants a pittance? (On that note, I wonder if it will be possible to "brute force" a win?). They can also test the level of public participation given a certain incentive. Replace "red balloon" with "terr'ist" and you're basically testing the effectiveness of a public manhunt given short notice, and since the rules say they may ask you about your methods, they'll also find out which methods are most effective. I like how they cutsied that up with all this feelgood stuff about social networking and team-building.

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    10. Re:One person? by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing DARPA doesn't care about that. That's why they've got $40k on the line- not to promote communication, but to promote disinformation. They don't want to know who can build a network with modern technology, they want to know how people will build a network of trust when there's a serious incentive for betrayal.

      Betrayal is also a function of who makes up the ad hoc network, that is whether it is truly spontaneous and ad hoc among the general population or whether it arises within an existing network. My bet is that if the prize is won at all, it will be within a network that already exists. The general population is too diffuse and unorganized to gather all the data and organize and filter it.
       
      Therefore you can examine various groups and their characteristics and determine the odds of betrayal. For example, if the B-tards decide to go after the prize, the odds of betrayal are essentially unity. (But their self generated noise level would probably prevent them from winning.) If the Boy Scouts decide to do so, the odds of betrayal go way down. (Bit I don't know if the Boy Scouts have the reasonably centralized and connected communications network need to make this work.)

    11. Re:One person? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      While the internet public at large is attempting to mobilize to find the red balloons, DARPA will be monitoring the 'net attempting to stay on top of an unknown number of organizations comprised of an unknown number of individuals coordinating using unknown protocols and communications channels. This will be valuable information similar to finding and shutting down terrorist cells. Expect the front-runner group to be infiltrated by a covert DARPA agent and some key people to "disappear" until after the deadline. (OK, did I go too far there?)

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  5. Indentifying the Balloons by NuclearError · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a handy chart for finding the balloons.

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    1. Re:Indentifying the Balloons by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now, that was funny!

  6. Re:Lets discuss a serious entry? by Nanidin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most major roadways (at least in my moderately sized city of around 4 million) have traffic cameras all up and down them that are freely accessible. I'm guessing this would be a valid strategy - run image analysis on all of the traffic cams you can get your hands on for red balloons.

    Wouldn't surprise me if this is what the purpose of the contest is - to get someone to develop this software for them.

  7. Not Enough Red Ballons by kaleth · · Score: 4, Funny

    There should have been 99.

  8. This can't end well. by ipc0nfig · · Score: 3, Funny

    A big red balloon with guys waiting around it all day, yeah, that's not going to freak anyone out.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/31/boston.bombscare/index.html

  9. Hmmm - strategies and counter-strategies. by KingJackaL · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, it's obvious why DARPA would care how quickly the internet can become aware of accurate and specific information such as 'where is unit X'.

    What I'm curious about is how much mis-information could pop up. What if you mischievously set up your own balloon, that looks identical to the description, as a distraction to other teams/groups?

    What if groups eventually find all the balloons - and there are 13 of them? Is it then time to unleash the perl scripts on DARPA's submission form? So many possible strategies and counter-strategies - but are they actually all just intellectual, or will they play a role in the challenge?

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  10. Re:Floating? by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what the agenda here is. It's surely not something as simple as finding how many people jump in their cars and go driving.

    The possible things come to mind:
    Gather intelligence on how quickly people are able to come together to form a working group, and what the structure of the group is likely to be.

    Find new and interesting ways for this sort of huge area recon. Can a geek use roadway cameras effectively? Are there other ways of gathering this sort of information?

    Test some software that they have written to trawl the web searching for specific words among the randomness of the intertubez.

    Any other ideas come floating to mind?

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  11. Possible strategy by ErikPeterson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the best way to attack this problem would be to agree to donate the profits from the award to some worthy cause, letting people with the capability volunteer some time to a solution. Its a fairly complicated problem to solve for the amount of money given to solve it. Lets say a group of capable programmers united for lets say an open source project develop a website that takes in the coordinates in the format required for the contest. The trick is going to be figuring out who is telling the truth when it comes to submitted data... You may be able to assume that if a number set is entered often that it is a candidate to be the real location. The task obviously requires coordination of many life humans as I doubt anyone that can compete has access to satellite time to do an automated search. I am wondering how many people will attempt to put up fake balloon sites to either trick their competition or just get some publicity of tech people to come visit the site and take a GPS reading.

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  12. Social media test? by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since nobody drives everywhere in the country this has got to be some sort of social media test, to see how fast something like twitter could track down any given item/phenomena.

    Defense research angle?

    Nothing to do with the balloons is my bet.

    Not even measuring how long this might take, or how people do it, because they already know the only way is via the internet.

    I suspect they want to watch the internet and see what happens when people start organizing spontaneously into communities.

    This is an exercise in traffic analysis. Pure and simple.

    The scary part, is they have the hooks into the net deep enough that they can pull this off, apparently without warrants. Yes They Can.

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    1. Re:Social media test? by spleen_blender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was following you until the part about warrants. What are you thinking could possibly require one that is related to this?

    2. Re:Social media test? by epine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The beauty of this is that it could be a lot of things. If some American official someday leaks "this is why we really did this" the odds that I would discount spin can't be over 50%, which relegates this to a quasi-permanent bucket of unknowability. It's a rare thing when a lightening bolt momentarily catches the men behind the curtain with a ruse in flagrante. The Soviets had their washer microphone. The Americans had the thermohaline undersea acoustic channel (where I live, a couple of decades ago, an undersea microphone research project was shut down precipitously).

      Reputedly, the Americans had a telecoms satellite with the electronics compacted to such a spectacular degree, they managed to fit a spy telescope where the Russians believed it was technologically impossible. As the story goes, this flew over open Russian nuclear missile bays until some Russian mole tipped them off, and that was the last silo with exposed cleavage it ever flew over.

      Another story is that the Americans pulled off a deep undersea splice of an unencrypted fibre optic cable connecting Moscow to one of their satellite states. This cable was unencrypted because 1) the Russians didn't believe a silent optical splice was technically possible, and 2) the Russians probably didn't think an American submarine could into position to do this undetected. I think there was once a big piece in Wired about this.

      The final case that comes to mind is the Siberian pipeline sabotage. This one, especially, works almost as well as propaganda as fact, but it appears to be rigorously documented. I love the image of the CIA analyst popping up over his cubicle wall going "nobody panic, we know about this" as ever other analyst in the facility fumbles to get to the red phone.

      A scenario I sometimes wonder about is a conversation between no such agency and the ghost of Alan Turing that goes like this:

      Dr Turing's ghost, we've got this molecular-perfect crystal of gallium arsenide the size of a dinner plate (at some staggering cost to the space program), an experimental electron beam lithography apparatus able to draw a million logic units per day (the anti-vibration table alone is staffed with a team of twenty full time Black Mesa technicians), and more liquid gas than NASA. What kind of pretty picture do you think you could draw on this thing given a few months to think about it, and a year for the etching?

      The one question I've most wanted to find out is this: what was the state of the art in 1970 for one-off half billion dollar chips? Lightening rarely strikes twice, and 99 times out of a hundred you never find out.

  13. Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by kheldan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The economy still sucks, DARPA; why are you wasting taxpayer money on bullshit like this?

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    1. Re:Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they're going to just hand out a lump sum of money to a bunch of random people, at least they're not making them destroy perfectly functional automobiles to do so this time.

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    2. Re:Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by BitHive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say it's a bargain. Think about all the driving and snacks, hell, maybe even consumer gadget purchases this contest will inspire. Those have gotta be worth something to the economy. Maybe the next stimulus package should be a scavenger hunt.

    3. Re:Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by blankinthefill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The average person may think that $40,000 is a lot... but it's nothing in terms of operating budgets for even medium sized companies. From the Darpa site, looking at their unclassified budget for 2010 ( http://www.darpa.mil/Docs/2010PBDARPAMay2009.pdf ) (That's a PDF, by the way, and also has numbers for 2009 and 2008), you can see that the budget easily runs into the billions of dollars. For a comparison, forty thousand dollars is 0.004 PERCENT of one billion dollars. To someone with a salary of seventy five thousand dollars a year, the equivalent percentage would be 3 dollars. That's barely pocket change, and it assumes a budget much lower than the actual operating budget of DARPA. Taking this into consideration, that's pretty cheap. Especially if they're planning to study anything by doing this (and if you think they wont get SOMETHING useful out of this, then you're even denser than I am), that's a relative bargain. Even if they DON'T get anything worthwhile out of this contest, the publicity alone is probably worth it when you consider possible recruits that they attract because of increased interest. Your claim that they are 'wasting taxpayer money' is pure FUD, and, to be honest, even if it wasn't, $40k isn't even a drop in the bucket of the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that was collected in taxes in 2008.

    4. Re:Nothing better to use $40,000 for? by kheldan · · Score: 3, Informative

      *facepalm*

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  14. Re:Floating? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously, this is just an attempt to use crowdsourcing to find a bunch of lost weather balloons. In this day and age of gov't budget cutbacks, every balloon saved is a slightly bigger performance bonus at the end of the year...

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  15. Re:Floating? by Skevin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or maybe each of the ten weather balloons may or may not have a live six-year-old boy riding in it, and DARPA full well remembers what happened last time with just *one*.

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  16. My guess: half of a high-tech vs low-tech contest by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is, we're seeing half of a contest pitting high-end defense technology vs the "stupid cheap easy" solution.

    SCENE: PENTAGON STAFF ROOM
    Mil Contractor: "And so you see, with our latest satellite imaging systems, we can search and pinpoint the location of a human-sized target object within 10 days for a nation the size of the US or Russia."
    Dumb General: "Wow. We need to spend some billions on this."
    Smart General: "Pff. I bet you could do better by plain old "boots on the ground" spywork. You'd need a pretty big network of observers though..."
    Smart 5-star general: "Well, boys, let's find out."

    at least, this is a good enough story that I *hope* it's what's going on...

  17. The Purpose by ral · · Score: 3, Informative

    The purpose of this exercise can be found here:

    To mark the 40th Anniversary of the Internet, DARPA is hosting the DARPA Network Challenge, a competition that will explore the role the Internet and social networking plays in the timely communication, wide area team-building and urgent mobilization required to solve broad scope, time-critical problems.

    1. Re:The Purpose by dynamo52 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The publicly stated purpose of this exercise can be found here: [fixed that for you]

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  18. Re:Floating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's no real point to it. Here's what they did: There are five balloons around, numbered from 1-5, and four balloons numbered from 7-10. Just like the prank where you release a 3 pigs, painted with a "1", "3", and "4" into a high school.

    They're just 5 months early.

  19. Bloons by blavallee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do I get an extra bonus if I pop them all?

  20. Although heavy on subterfuge... by jkyrlach · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be willing to bet that it's actually an attempt to encourage probing/attacks on it's website /network. $40k is a pretty good incentive to try and find the answer sheet. Possible goals range from your traditional smoke-out-the-troublemakers-by-having-an-archery-contest to using it to identify skilled individuals for recruitment.

  21. Men who stare at goats. Jedi warrior training... by PDX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought that the mind / clairvoyance study had been axed. I see they are reviving it.
    http://movies.apple.com/movies/overture/themenwhostareatgoats/themenwhostareatgoats-clip1_480p.mov

  22. Re:Floating? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wonder what the agenda here is. It's surely not something as simple as finding how many people jump in their cars and go driving.

    FTFA:

    The DARPA Network Challenge is designed to mark the 40th anniversary of the Internet. "It is fitting for DARPA to announce this competition on the anniversary of the day that the first message was sent over the ARPANET, the precursor to the Internet," said Dr. Regina E. Dugan, who made the announcement at a conference celebrating the anniversary. "In the 40 years since this breakthrough, the Internet has become an integral part of society and the global economy. The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems."

    But honestly, this discussion would not be nearly as amusing without the paranoia of /. getting turned up to 11.

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  23. Re:Floating? by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Interesting


    The possible things come to mind:
    Gather intelligence on how quickly people are able to come together to form a working group, and what the structure of the group is likely to be.

    Find new and interesting ways for this sort of huge area recon. Can a geek use roadway cameras effectively? Are there other ways of gathering this sort of information?

    Test some software that they have written to trawl the web searching for specific words among the randomness of the intertubez.

    Any other ideas come floating to mind?

    I was going to post the same question and propose items 1 and 3. I was going to compare this to the intentional disinformation we sent in WWII using encryption we suspected to be compromised -- it gave us excellent intel on the ability of the axis to deploy a fighting force. It fits nicely with the idea that in sociological testing it is important to disguise the actual nature of the test, so that the respondents do not alter the outcome (consciously or subconsciously).

    In that case, you've just broken their experiment.

    But then, perhaps that is not what they are observing. Perhaps they figured out that we would figure out the actual meaning of the challenge, and what they are actually measuring is the rate at which we perceive the actual intent of the challenge... :)

  24. Why all the marketing? by zenwarrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else noticed DARPA's recent major marketing/publicity campaign? There is now this well-publicized balloon hunt. There was the televised robotic vehicle challenge. Even very recently, DARPA was central to the plot of an episode of NCIS: LA. Its research efforts have been given very visible press in magazines such as Scientific American. (Look here for another recent SA article about DARPA research.) DARPA has also been featured twice on 60 Minutes in the past few months. And, it now has quite a following on Facebook.

    All of these somehow involve or inform the general public--not exactly par for the course given DARPA activities historically have been kept very much under wraps. What's really going on here? Why the recent publicity barrage? Two years ago, or less, I'm willing to bet 98% of Americans had no idea DARPA even existed. Might it be the old magician's trick of having us watch one hand while the other hand is actually performing the "magic?" For example, have you seen iRobot's shape-shifting Chembot recently developed with DARPA funding?

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  25. Decoys by slasho81 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What happens if people start setting their own balloons as decoys?

    1. Re:Decoys by slasho81 · · Score: 4, Informative

      A decoy doesn't have to be perfect. If it's good enough to distract, it's a good decoy.

  26. Re:Floating? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would have been a good stunt to get people to buy Motorola Droids so they can use the free google maps geolocation, etc.

  27. Re:Social media control test? by backwardMechanic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe the real game is to try to disrupt those groups searching for balloons. Does DARPA still have enough control to stop groups forming and co-ordinating via twitter/mobile phones/etc? For every civilian team searching for balloons, there is a military team trying to stop them communicating? Watch this message disappear in a minute or two... BTW, balloons make the perfect symbol because DARPA love The Prisoner.

  28. Re:robbiewilso by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    well let the spam begin!

    Dear Robbie.h.wilson,
    Hello, I represet a cosortum which has found nine of the baloons in question. If your baloon is the tenth baloon, you to win $5714.28 ! Please to visit this website and enter your accounts infomations for your electronic payment. http://balooncontest.darpa.gov.example.com/ We look forward to hearing from you. We all want to win our $5714.28

  29. Re:Wiretapping? So what? by TaggartAleslayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Warrants aren't really necessary when you're dealing with freely available public API's for the services in question. It's public speech, not private property.
     
    If you were coordinating the information on your personal website behind a secure login, you would probably have a valid argument, otherwise you've really got nothing to get riled up over.

  30. Re:Floating? by jackspenn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Either way we could have a lot of fun with this, we just need a few red balloons and volunteers to be "DARPA agents". Yes, of course we could just post disinformation, but wouldn't it be more fun to get participants to post disinformation with conviction and confidence be behind it? F'en with people is so fun.

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  31. Re:Floating? by steelfood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regardless of what their intentions are, they're gathering data on us. How we react, how quickly, how cohesively, whether we react at all, etc. That's the thing about sociological experiments; they always produce data.

    The data will be useful. It won't help bring a man to Mars, or fight terrorists in Afghanistan, but it will be useful in some way, shape or form. What they may then do is, based on the responses or lack thereof to this challenge, modify their next sociological experiment to hopefully attain a different dataset.

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  32. Re:Floating? by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

        I think there's a lot more to this.

        What are they observing?

        * Establish a geographically diverse target (10 balloons somewhere in the US).

        * Observe how the organizers encourage people to work with them.

        * Observe how they communicate with the search teams, coordinate efforts, and disseminate data.

        This could be used to coordinate efforts between the military and civilians, should the need arise. In the sake of the great terrorism debate, what if a vehicle was known to be in the US, and it is expected to detonate a nuke on US soil. This kind of crowdsourcing would have a better chance of finding it than putting everyone in the law enforcement and intelligence communities on the road hunting.

        Unfortunately, this is probably organized towards the handling and neutralization of civilian unrest inside the CONUS. It would:

        * Identify civilians who can organize large groups to neutralize them.
        * Identify communications routes that would need to be neutralized.
        * Identify intelligence breaches that could be used by the dissidents.

        So, it's all in how much you trust our government. Would they recruit the civilian population to assist in a time of need? Would they neutralize dissidents during a period of civil unrest?

        I'm fairly confident I'm not on the stage 1 list (neutralize in the first hour), but I'm pretty sure I'm on the stage 2 list. I'd suspect the organizers who aren't LEO or government will be on the stage 1 list. The followers will be on the stage 2 list.

        Who wants to play the game now?

        If I happen to spot a red balloon, with a couple spooks camped out below it, I'm going to plink at it with a BB gun. :)

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  33. Re:Floating? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But honestly, this discussion would not be nearly as amusing without the paranoia of /. getting turned up to 11.

    Paranoia my ass! Can't you read man? They want us to help them develop methods to control us!!!

    The best thing we can do is take those balloons out or put up a lot of extra red balloons on test day.

  34. Re:Floating? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Informative

        I always love this idea.

        CCTV cameras don't feed into a centralized computer somewhere. Hell, in many commercial buildings with more than one tenant, even they don't share camera feeds.

        Even traffic light cameras feed to the organization that installed them. Some news stations have their own cameras, and frequently city transportation offices have their own.

        I'd love to get access to "the place" that has all the cameras, but that's yet another myth created and reinforced by television, where they wrote themselves into a corner, and needed some slick way to get out of it. They're also the same crowd that makes you believe you can take a blurry distant picture of a vehicle, that may only be 8px wide, and be able to enhance it enough to read the license plate number, and see the dumb look on the drivers face. Nope, that doesn't happen either, but it helps the story on TV. Hell, I was watching NCIS the other night, and with a satellite image, they were able to enhance it to get a clear full screen view of just the license plate, from an event that happened days before. And for reference, the highest resolution satellite that they have is 0.41 meters. That is, you can see that there is a 41cm object, but you wouldn't be able to read the writing on it. You probably could read a large building sign, or large lettering on a billboard, except the letters are facing the wrong way. :)

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  35. Re:Floating? by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Either way we could have a lot of fun with this, we just need a few red balloons and volunteers to be "DARPA agents". Yes, of course we could just post disinformation, but wouldn't it be more fun to get participants to post disinformation with conviction and confidence be behind it? F'en with people is so fun.

    OK, good to go -- I've just ordered three red weather balloons on eBay. :)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/3-Red-Weather-Balloons-3-ft-30-Gram-Meteorological-New_W0QQitemZ120480696030QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091015?IMSfp=TL091015191003r33317

  36. Re:My guess: half of a high-tech vs low-tech conte by guyminuslife · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't know that. That's bad. Imagine all the four star generals sitting around twiddling their thumbs going, "If only we could bomb Russia, we'd get that last fucking star!"

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  37. Re:Floating? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Funny

      The "trawling for information" idea is an easy one. Set a Google News alert for it. You can specify it to provide notifications for other things like website updates. I've already gotten a few, but they were all talking about the contest, and how it could be subverted. :)

        I'm just trying to figure out where to buy an 8 foot red balloon. Since I already know the risks associated with being identified as a contestant, I'd rather play the other side, and give people a false target. I already have magnetic signs for DOD, FBI, DHS, and FEMA to put on my truck to allow easy movement depending on what the disaster is. :) The DOD sign should be close enough for folks to believe I'm DARPA. :) I'll taser any contestants who come close enough, so I can steal their lists (and wallets, and GPS devices, and laptops, etc, etc, etc). :)

        (just kidding, I don't own a taser.)

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