Find DARPA's Balloons, Win $40K
coondoggie writes "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency today offered up a rather interesting challenge: find and plot 10 red weather balloons scattered at undisclosed locations across the country. The first person to identify the location of all the balloons and enter them on the challenge Web site will win a $40,000 cash prize. According to the agency, the balloons will be in readily accessible locations, visible from nearby roadways and accompanied by DARPA representatives. All balloons are scheduled to go on display at all locations at 10:00AM (ET) until approximately 4:00 PM on Saturday, December 5, 2009."
An unholy mashup between Twitter and a bunch of cell phone cameras.
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So, only one person wins the prize, even though it will almost certainly require the effort of an online community? This sounds like a breeding ground for betrayal.
Here's a handy chart for finding the balloons.
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Most major roadways (at least in my moderately sized city of around 4 million) have traffic cameras all up and down them that are freely accessible. I'm guessing this would be a valid strategy - run image analysis on all of the traffic cams you can get your hands on for red balloons.
Wouldn't surprise me if this is what the purpose of the contest is - to get someone to develop this software for them.
There should have been 99.
A big red balloon with guys waiting around it all day, yeah, that's not going to freak anyone out.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/31/boston.bombscare/index.html
Well, it's obvious why DARPA would care how quickly the internet can become aware of accurate and specific information such as 'where is unit X'.
What I'm curious about is how much mis-information could pop up. What if you mischievously set up your own balloon, that looks identical to the description, as a distraction to other teams/groups?
What if groups eventually find all the balloons - and there are 13 of them? Is it then time to unleash the perl scripts on DARPA's submission form? So many possible strategies and counter-strategies - but are they actually all just intellectual, or will they play a role in the challenge?
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I wonder what the agenda here is. It's surely not something as simple as finding how many people jump in their cars and go driving.
The possible things come to mind:
Gather intelligence on how quickly people are able to come together to form a working group, and what the structure of the group is likely to be.
Find new and interesting ways for this sort of huge area recon. Can a geek use roadway cameras effectively? Are there other ways of gathering this sort of information?
Test some software that they have written to trawl the web searching for specific words among the randomness of the intertubez.
Any other ideas come floating to mind?
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I think the best way to attack this problem would be to agree to donate the profits from the award to some worthy cause, letting people with the capability volunteer some time to a solution. Its a fairly complicated problem to solve for the amount of money given to solve it. Lets say a group of capable programmers united for lets say an open source project develop a website that takes in the coordinates in the format required for the contest. The trick is going to be figuring out who is telling the truth when it comes to submitted data... You may be able to assume that if a number set is entered often that it is a candidate to be the real location. The task obviously requires coordination of many life humans as I doubt anyone that can compete has access to satellite time to do an automated search. I am wondering how many people will attempt to put up fake balloon sites to either trick their competition or just get some publicity of tech people to come visit the site and take a GPS reading.
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Since nobody drives everywhere in the country this has got to be some sort of social media test, to see how fast something like twitter could track down any given item/phenomena.
Defense research angle?
Nothing to do with the balloons is my bet.
Not even measuring how long this might take, or how people do it, because they already know the only way is via the internet.
I suspect they want to watch the internet and see what happens when people start organizing spontaneously into communities.
This is an exercise in traffic analysis. Pure and simple.
The scary part, is they have the hooks into the net deep enough that they can pull this off, apparently without warrants. Yes They Can.
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The economy still sucks, DARPA; why are you wasting taxpayer money on bullshit like this?
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Obviously, this is just an attempt to use crowdsourcing to find a bunch of lost weather balloons. In this day and age of gov't budget cutbacks, every balloon saved is a slightly bigger performance bonus at the end of the year...
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Or maybe each of the ten weather balloons may or may not have a live six-year-old boy riding in it, and DARPA full well remembers what happened last time with just *one*.
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My guess is, we're seeing half of a contest pitting high-end defense technology vs the "stupid cheap easy" solution.
SCENE: PENTAGON STAFF ROOM
Mil Contractor: "And so you see, with our latest satellite imaging systems, we can search and pinpoint the location of a human-sized target object within 10 days for a nation the size of the US or Russia."
Dumb General: "Wow. We need to spend some billions on this."
Smart General: "Pff. I bet you could do better by plain old "boots on the ground" spywork. You'd need a pretty big network of observers though..."
Smart 5-star general: "Well, boys, let's find out."
at least, this is a good enough story that I *hope* it's what's going on...
The purpose of this exercise can be found here:
To mark the 40th Anniversary of the Internet, DARPA is hosting the DARPA Network Challenge, a competition that will explore the role the Internet and social networking plays in the timely communication, wide area team-building and urgent mobilization required to solve broad scope, time-critical problems.
There's no real point to it. Here's what they did: There are five balloons around, numbered from 1-5, and four balloons numbered from 7-10. Just like the prank where you release a 3 pigs, painted with a "1", "3", and "4" into a high school.
They're just 5 months early.
Do I get an extra bonus if I pop them all?
I'd be willing to bet that it's actually an attempt to encourage probing/attacks on it's website /network. $40k is a pretty good incentive to try and find the answer sheet. Possible goals range from your traditional smoke-out-the-troublemakers-by-having-an-archery-contest to using it to identify skilled individuals for recruitment.
I thought that the mind / clairvoyance study had been axed. I see they are reviving it.
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I wonder what the agenda here is. It's surely not something as simple as finding how many people jump in their cars and go driving.
FTFA:
The DARPA Network Challenge is designed to mark the 40th anniversary of the Internet. "It is fitting for DARPA to announce this competition on the anniversary of the day that the first message was sent over the ARPANET, the precursor to the Internet," said Dr. Regina E. Dugan, who made the announcement at a conference celebrating the anniversary. "In the 40 years since this breakthrough, the Internet has become an integral part of society and the global economy. The DARPA Network Challenge explores the unprecedented ability of the Internet to bring people together to solve tough problems."
But honestly, this discussion would not be nearly as amusing without the paranoia of /. getting turned up to 11.
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The possible things come to mind:
Gather intelligence on how quickly people are able to come together to form a working group, and what the structure of the group is likely to be.
Find new and interesting ways for this sort of huge area recon. Can a geek use roadway cameras effectively? Are there other ways of gathering this sort of information?
Test some software that they have written to trawl the web searching for specific words among the randomness of the intertubez.
Any other ideas come floating to mind?
I was going to post the same question and propose items 1 and 3. I was going to compare this to the intentional disinformation we sent in WWII using encryption we suspected to be compromised -- it gave us excellent intel on the ability of the axis to deploy a fighting force. It fits nicely with the idea that in sociological testing it is important to disguise the actual nature of the test, so that the respondents do not alter the outcome (consciously or subconsciously).
In that case, you've just broken their experiment.
But then, perhaps that is not what they are observing. Perhaps they figured out that we would figure out the actual meaning of the challenge, and what they are actually measuring is the rate at which we perceive the actual intent of the challenge... :)
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Anyone else noticed DARPA's recent major marketing/publicity campaign? There is now this well-publicized balloon hunt. There was the televised robotic vehicle challenge. Even very recently, DARPA was central to the plot of an episode of NCIS: LA. Its research efforts have been given very visible press in magazines such as Scientific American. (Look here for another recent SA article about DARPA research.) DARPA has also been featured twice on 60 Minutes in the past few months. And, it now has quite a following on Facebook.
All of these somehow involve or inform the general public--not exactly par for the course given DARPA activities historically have been kept very much under wraps. What's really going on here? Why the recent publicity barrage? Two years ago, or less, I'm willing to bet 98% of Americans had no idea DARPA even existed. Might it be the old magician's trick of having us watch one hand while the other hand is actually performing the "magic?" For example, have you seen iRobot's shape-shifting Chembot recently developed with DARPA funding?
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What happens if people start setting their own balloons as decoys?
This would have been a good stunt to get people to buy Motorola Droids so they can use the free google maps geolocation, etc.
Maybe the real game is to try to disrupt those groups searching for balloons. Does DARPA still have enough control to stop groups forming and co-ordinating via twitter/mobile phones/etc? For every civilian team searching for balloons, there is a military team trying to stop them communicating? Watch this message disappear in a minute or two... BTW, balloons make the perfect symbol because DARPA love The Prisoner.
well let the spam begin!
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Warrants aren't really necessary when you're dealing with freely available public API's for the services in question. It's public speech, not private property.
If you were coordinating the information on your personal website behind a secure login, you would probably have a valid argument, otherwise you've really got nothing to get riled up over.
Either way we could have a lot of fun with this, we just need a few red balloons and volunteers to be "DARPA agents". Yes, of course we could just post disinformation, but wouldn't it be more fun to get participants to post disinformation with conviction and confidence be behind it? F'en with people is so fun.
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Regardless of what their intentions are, they're gathering data on us. How we react, how quickly, how cohesively, whether we react at all, etc. That's the thing about sociological experiments; they always produce data.
The data will be useful. It won't help bring a man to Mars, or fight terrorists in Afghanistan, but it will be useful in some way, shape or form. What they may then do is, based on the responses or lack thereof to this challenge, modify their next sociological experiment to hopefully attain a different dataset.
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I think there's a lot more to this.
What are they observing?
* Establish a geographically diverse target (10 balloons somewhere in the US).
* Observe how the organizers encourage people to work with them.
* Observe how they communicate with the search teams, coordinate efforts, and disseminate data.
This could be used to coordinate efforts between the military and civilians, should the need arise. In the sake of the great terrorism debate, what if a vehicle was known to be in the US, and it is expected to detonate a nuke on US soil. This kind of crowdsourcing would have a better chance of finding it than putting everyone in the law enforcement and intelligence communities on the road hunting.
Unfortunately, this is probably organized towards the handling and neutralization of civilian unrest inside the CONUS. It would:
* Identify civilians who can organize large groups to neutralize them.
* Identify communications routes that would need to be neutralized.
* Identify intelligence breaches that could be used by the dissidents.
So, it's all in how much you trust our government. Would they recruit the civilian population to assist in a time of need? Would they neutralize dissidents during a period of civil unrest?
I'm fairly confident I'm not on the stage 1 list (neutralize in the first hour), but I'm pretty sure I'm on the stage 2 list. I'd suspect the organizers who aren't LEO or government will be on the stage 1 list. The followers will be on the stage 2 list.
Who wants to play the game now?
If I happen to spot a red balloon, with a couple spooks camped out below it, I'm going to plink at it with a BB gun. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
But honestly, this discussion would not be nearly as amusing without the paranoia of /. getting turned up to 11.
Paranoia my ass! Can't you read man? They want us to help them develop methods to control us!!!
The best thing we can do is take those balloons out or put up a lot of extra red balloons on test day.
I always love this idea.
CCTV cameras don't feed into a centralized computer somewhere. Hell, in many commercial buildings with more than one tenant, even they don't share camera feeds.
Even traffic light cameras feed to the organization that installed them. Some news stations have their own cameras, and frequently city transportation offices have their own.
I'd love to get access to "the place" that has all the cameras, but that's yet another myth created and reinforced by television, where they wrote themselves into a corner, and needed some slick way to get out of it. They're also the same crowd that makes you believe you can take a blurry distant picture of a vehicle, that may only be 8px wide, and be able to enhance it enough to read the license plate number, and see the dumb look on the drivers face. Nope, that doesn't happen either, but it helps the story on TV. Hell, I was watching NCIS the other night, and with a satellite image, they were able to enhance it to get a clear full screen view of just the license plate, from an event that happened days before. And for reference, the highest resolution satellite that they have is 0.41 meters. That is, you can see that there is a 41cm object, but you wouldn't be able to read the writing on it. You probably could read a large building sign, or large lettering on a billboard, except the letters are facing the wrong way. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Either way we could have a lot of fun with this, we just need a few red balloons and volunteers to be "DARPA agents". Yes, of course we could just post disinformation, but wouldn't it be more fun to get participants to post disinformation with conviction and confidence be behind it? F'en with people is so fun.
OK, good to go -- I've just ordered three red weather balloons on eBay. :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-Red-Weather-Balloons-3-ft-30-Gram-Meteorological-New_W0QQitemZ120480696030QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091015?IMSfp=TL091015191003r33317
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I didn't know that. That's bad. Imagine all the four star generals sitting around twiddling their thumbs going, "If only we could bomb Russia, we'd get that last fucking star!"
I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
The "trawling for information" idea is an easy one. Set a Google News alert for it. You can specify it to provide notifications for other things like website updates. I've already gotten a few, but they were all talking about the contest, and how it could be subverted. :)
I'm just trying to figure out where to buy an 8 foot red balloon. Since I already know the risks associated with being identified as a contestant, I'd rather play the other side, and give people a false target. I already have magnetic signs for DOD, FBI, DHS, and FEMA to put on my truck to allow easy movement depending on what the disaster is. :) The DOD sign should be close enough for folks to believe I'm DARPA. :) I'll taser any contestants who come close enough, so I can steal their lists (and wallets, and GPS devices, and laptops, etc, etc, etc). :)
(just kidding, I don't own a taser.)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.