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Mac OS X 10.6.2 Will Block Atom Processors
Archeopteryx writes "According to Wired's 'Gadget Lab' blog, Snow Leopard's next update, OS X 10.6.2, will block the Atom processor and will disable many 'Hackintosh' netbooks. It is indeed true that OS X will run just fine on some netbooks if you install the right drivers and ktexts, but Apple's EULA has always specified that the license was applicable only to Apple hardware. There have always been processor types specified in OS X and that have to be worked around now for those who want to use an Atom or similar non-Apple-adopted processor, so this is likely no more than a hiccup on the road for the OSX86 crowd. But, it raises the question: is it time for Apple to sell a license for non-Apple hardware — priced accordingly of course — for those people who want OS X on platform types Apple has not yet adopted, like the netbook? The only reason OS X is not on my Eee is that I want to comply with the licensing terms. I could just pay for a license to use it."
Just as well, as long as you accept the fact that you have no say as to what goes into their system updates.
What obligation are they to you to support your processor?
Jeez, you sound like of those PPC freaks.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
The point. You missed it.
uh, try less than 200$
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC209Z/A?n=osx&fnode=MTY1NDAzOA&mco=MTA4MjgwNzU&s=topSellers
turn up the jukebox and tell me a lie
Not all are "upgrade" versions.
Snow Leopard was released in an upgrade and boxed set, specifically because only Leopard users were supposed to get the upgrade version. The box set is $169. OS X "upgrades" have always been full version copies.
$499 is for Mac OS X server with an unlimited client license, but hey Amazon has Windows Server 2008 5 client for only $699, what a steal!
That makes no sense. It was never supported to begin with. It may have ran, but so does a car with a rocket attached to propel it. People determined to get mad about silliness. (This happens with MS articles too from time to time...)
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
Interesting personal anecdote, I have 4 ibooks that all work perfectly to this day but that is irrelevant too, what does it have to do with your current statement that you are happy with Debian. I'll take that you once had an interest in Apple to be your reason for making the anecdotal statement but what prompted your previous inexplicable outburst about Apple?
Why bother
Will it install on a clean hard drive? I'm honestly curious here; from what I understand, even the "full retail" version won't. If that's the case, then I think it's an upgrade, regardless of what the box says.
Well, the EULA simply just defines the terms of which they will support you on. Breaking the EULA isn't *illegal*, but breaking it does mean you won't get help or support from Apple, and Apple is only obliged to make the OS work within the terms of the EULA.
Psystar is being sued because they were SELLING hackintoshes and, to the average end user, were making MacOS X look bad by running it on hardware it was not designed to run on. Damn right Apple's going to flinch at that. Psystar was basically selling geek hobby systems to the average end user who wouldn't know how to keep it running, and so when it breaks, many of these end users will end up blaming Apple, tarnishing Apple's rep.
That's why Apple previously turned a blind eye to the hobbyists (who know better than to expect Apple to supply hackintosh support, and know the risks beforehand), but now are trying to sue the pants off Psystar. Psystar's asshattery and persistence has now caused Apple to specifically try and kill the hackintoshes, and the hobbyists are unfortunately caught in the crossfire. I just hope the majority of us can put the blame for this on Psystar where it belongs.
How exactly do you "agree" to be bound and restricted by the "license" and "document" that you cannot get access too until you purchase the product?
Sigh. You can access them prior to purchase, and are encouraged to do so:
"Your use of Apple-branded hardware and software products is based on the software license and other terms and conditions in effect for the product at the time of purchase. You will be asked to agree to the terms of the applicable agreement at the time that you obtain or install the software or setup the hardware product. You may review the agreements for Apple’s currently shipping products, by clicking the appropriate link below. Please be aware, however, that your purchase is subject to the particular agreement that accompanied the software or hardware product at the time of purchase and that you must agree to the terms and conditions of that agreement when you install the software or set up the product. That agreement may differ from the version of the agreements you can review here. Be certain to read the applicable agreement carefully before you install the software or set up the product."
Such ignorance of facts on slashdot is really astounding.
... and then they built the supercollider.
There is a big difference in the quality of an apple notebook when compared to a dell notebook. Apple makes a quality product, and I would prefer it over the crap Dell shovels out. Whether a Mac is worth the price difference is up to the purchaser, and the cachet of owning a Mac versus a Dell may be worth the money.
However, it is just like buying a 150 dollar Thermaltake Case and spending 70 dollars for an 80-plus certified power supply. That combination is better than buying a 39.99 cheapo case w/ power supply combined. I would rather have that Thermaltake brand case. It is better quality and provides better cooling than the cheapo case.
What I don't want is Microsoft telling me I have to run Windows 7 inside only a Thermaltake brand case. I don't want Apple to be able to tell me I can only run OSX only on a Apple brand case. I don't want Debian to suddenly specify I can only run it on Asus brand hardware. I don't want SuSe liunux to specify that I can only run it on Novell brand hardware. The issue here is whether Operating System manufacturers have the right to specify the brand name of the hardware that runs it.
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
Mac isn't better, its just different. I'm a mac user for the past 3 years, and my next machine will be non-mac. To me the Pros do not weigh more than the cons+price.
That's cool - you're an idiot or a child and that's OK. It's a free country.
When you mature a bit and are able to engage in critical thinking before you just parrot back things you've heard from other idiots, I'm sure you'll have something meaningful to contribute to discussions.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
Why? the original XBox was a 100% bog-standard PC but nobody ever tried to run the Xbox OS on better hardware, although they tried to run other software on Xboxes. Why wasn't Microsoft held to task for bundling a "gaming OS" with their custom hardware? Since Xbox 1 was a generic "computer" why can't we play games on our regular PCs... Microsoft is abusing monopoly...
Macs are just like Xboxes... a standard computer chip put into a custom "appliance".
Why so defensive?
Because I've seen this argument 10 billion times on Slashdot. It was dumb then, and it was dumb now. There's nothing "artificial" about limiting the product line. It helps prevent consumer confusion. It has been a tremendously profitable decision for Apple-and not just in the computer line.
Take the iPod vs. Zen, where Zen used to have myriad different players with different specs (5GB, 10GB, 15GB, some with FM radio, some without, etc). iPod's product line is getting increasingly convoluted, but it's still not nearly as bad as Zen. There's other reasons behind Apple's success besides flashy marketing, but few on this site seem to realize that.
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
So I can't possibly have entered into a contract with Apple.
You don't have to have signed a contract to violate the license agreement - you can still be sued for that, and lose. Did you sign a contract the last time you bought a DVD? Good luck explaining to the court that making copies of it is OK because you never signed a contract.
... and then they built the supercollider.
It's exactly the same basis. Without any agreement otherwise, the copyright holder has exclusive rights over the product. If you don't make an agreement, or violate the license, you get sued for copyright infringement just as you do with copies of unauthorized copies of DVDs.
And by the way - you do agree to an implicit license agreement when you buy a DVD. That's what the copyright warning before the film is - it outlines the conditions of use that you must follow. Exactly the same as a EULA.
... and then they built the supercollider.
What makes you think you know better than the people who own Macs, the reasons why they own them?
Your opinion on wy people buy Macs:
What your friends who are Macowners tell you about why they own Macs:
You see, the reason that you don't understand your friends who own Macs is that you are only thinking in terms of functional. And you think that good design is only about people wanting to differentiate themselves from the common herd. What you're missing is that good design actually makes things more pleasant to use. And when you're using something for hours a day, that difference is well worth paying for.
To put it simply, Windows and Linux piss me off. They are both horrible. As are most of the PC designs I've seen. So it's worth it to me to pay to get a better designed system.
If you still don't get it, I suggest you don't post an argument back - that would be pointless, you can never know better than I do why I bought something. Rather I suggest you read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance." It explains the principle well and at length.