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Spring Design Sues Barnes & Noble Over Nook IP

bth writes to let us know that Barnes & Noble has been sued by a company called Spring Design, which alleges that the recently announced Nook e-book reader infringes its intellectual property. This isn't a patent troll kind of situation; rather, the claim is misappropriation of trade secrets. Spring Design claims that they have been developing a dual-screen, Android-based e-book reader since 2006, filing patents all the while; and that they showed pretty much everything to Barnes & Noble in the expectation of working together with them to bring their reader to market.

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  1. I'm shocked! by mpapet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm shocked I tell you! Huge company with an armada of lawyers steals everything from a startup. Next thing you know the execs at B&N will be rewarded for their cleverness.

    It's never happened before.

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    1. Re:I'm shocked! by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because it's happened before doesn't mean it shouldn't be newsworthy. These companies need to be exposed for what they are doing as much as possible just like governments should be.

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    2. Re:I'm shocked! by avilliers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm shocked I tell you! Huge company with an armada of lawyers steals everything from a startup. Next thing you know the execs at B&N will be rewarded for their cleverness.

      It's never happened before.

      Indeed.

      Also, never before in the history of corporate America, has a small company make a predictable copy of product and then sued a bigger competitor for it's equally predictable product. This is all thoroughly uncharted territory. ;)

      Absent a lot more information, there's really no way to figure if B&N is remotely guilty of anything at all. Talks about licensing do *not* prevent you from working on a similar product yourself; the practice is routine. If your internal project fails or is delayed, you want a backup--that doesn't commit you to buying or licensing before you've signed a deal. And Slashdot, of all places, should be sceptical of claims that a company "deserves" some space in the IP world just for itself because they thought about something similar.

    3. Re:I'm shocked! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huge company with an armada of lawyers steals everything from a startup.

      What did they steal? Ideas? Give me a break. Does "An android based E-book reader" constitute a patent worthy idea? Actually, of course it does, and that's why I for one do not see the benefit in supporting such startups in cases like these.

      This company is a patent troll. What did they invent? A button that makes text scroll smoothly? A pop up or context sensitive interface? Oh! They invented a two screen device where you control things by moving a stylus on the bottom screen! Perhaps supplemented by additional buttons! How Original!! Yes, indeed, all companies implementing any such mechanism on any e-book whatsoever should have to pay these brilliant engineers for their hard worn innovation. /end scarcasm.

      The only people who support this company are those who believe that being the first to develop something, or being the first to spew out any old brain fart, entitles you to exclusive ownership and control over all future implementations and revenues involving that thing. It the proverbial American Dream; Winning the lottery through one crazy scheme. Everybody has one in the back of their head, and so the system stands with popular support. I for one utterly reject this model as a basis for technological development and progression.

      Patents need to die. Completely. If you can't stand on your own two feet like startups in every other industry, then you shouldn't be in business. Holding the world back until you get your protection money is a despicable practice, no matter how big or how small you are.

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    4. Re:I'm shocked! by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if the company didn't want B&N to steal their idea,

      Ideas per se are neither patentable (inventions using them or implementations of them are) nor copyrightable (expressions of them are).

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    5. Re:I'm shocked! by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes but if you want to share ideas with someone and not have them beat you to market, you can make them sign a contract saying they won't make the same device for some amount of time. In this case, they should have done that, but they didn't, so I see nothing wrong with B&N making a similar product.

    6. Re:I'm shocked! by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah but Karchofaniz totally pwned Beethoven and all the Bachs. As for Mozart, beh - too many notes.

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    7. Re:I'm shocked! by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Informative

      make them sign a contract saying they won't make the same device for some amount of time

      Usually such contracts are very difficult to draft as well as get the other party to sign them.

      Consider this. I'm an iPhone developer. I've talked to clients where they basically say: "I have a great idea for an application and I'd like to tell you but you'll have to sign so that everything I tell you cannot ever be executed by you alone".

      That's rather difficult. They might mention a lot of ideas that I already had, thus limiting myself.

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  2. The Alex (What B&N ripped off) by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 4, Informative

    Alex, with its unique Duet Navigator, provides the capability for interaction and navigation techniques of the two screens and furthermore utilizes the capabilities of Android to enhance the reader's experience by supporting interactive access to the Internet for references and links. As the first in the market to offer an e-book with full Internet browsing while reading and with easy navigational control via its touch screen, Alex is well-positioned to offer the most dynamic and powerful reading device in the market.

    This thing looks awesome. Good for Spring Design in protecting it's IP. One of my biggest complaints with the Kindle is Amazon's insistence that it be locked down and only do what Amazon wants it to do. The Alex uses Android and sounds like it's a sweet device that might be hackable and could be turned into a really really useful tool.

    Here's hoping that Spring Design really are the good guys in this.

    1. Re:The Alex (What B&N ripped off) by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shouldn't you also insist that your vacuum cleaner be user programmable or you will refuse to buy it?

      I dunno, imagine the suction a vacuum cleaner would have if it was multi-booting Vista, Windows ME, and MS-DOS 4.

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  3. This is why we can't have nice things. by straponego · · Score: 4, Insightful


    This case actually may be as legitimate as they come. Seriously, if these guys had NDAs and B&N pulled a Microsoft on them, they have my sympathy-- though this was the obvious way to make a new e-reader, these days. Linux, and now Android linux, are the obvious choices for the OS on any consumer device these days. You'd have to be morons not to have seen that (for Linux, ~6 years ago-- sorry Palm, too late; for Android, basically on announcement).

    But in general, every new tech product or service that comes out in the US seems to be hit by lawsuits as soon as it appears it will be successful. At the very least this reduces competition and increases prices. It's also a huge boon to countries which don't give a rat's ass about IP (see China). We're killing ourselves. The US has become a terrible environment for innovation.

  4. Re:order of things... by TaggartAleslayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's sometimes extremely hard to get a large corporation to look at your prototypes, much less sign an NDA before you walk through the door. Be it computer software, hardware, or the new mousetrap, being the little guy trying to find a mega-distributor sometimes comes with unanticipated risks.
     
    You have to be careful not to fall into the trap of blaming the victim. Sometimes you make a showing on good faith, and by the time you realize the empty promises of a partnership are just that, you've already shown too much.

  5. Ah by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the nook is the kindle killer, while Spring is the BN killer. Makes sense to me.
    So what good is a hook to a nook, if the nook makes cannot read the future.
    They can not do a cookbook on a nook, since they just got the hook. (apologies).

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    1. Re:Ah by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Been reading to your 4 year old a lot lately? Maybe a little too much?

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    2. Re:Ah by jayspec462 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm currently submitting a patent application for the use of a Zans to open cans.

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  6. History repeats itself.. sort of by mrdoogee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Xerox PARC: So we invented this really handy user input device, want to see?

    Apple: Sure!

    Xerox: Promise you'll license it from us?

    Apple: Of course!

    Always always always get the NDA's and License Agreements signed before you show the goods off.

  7. Re:Dual Screens for an e-reader? by 2obvious4u · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess its not so obvious, I pictured it more like a Nintendo DS with dual screens in a binder like setting. Whats the point of having two screens on the same page.... Two screens that open like a book, now that is an obvious use of multiple screens. Maybe I should patent it quick...

  8. Sigh by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Informative

    The word patent means open or visible. Honours in England are granted by "letters patent" which are sealed in an open, i.e. readable, form. The meaning carries through into law; something can be a trade secret or patented but not both.

    So how their patents, which they shared with a) B&N and b) every literate person in the world, can be a secret is a mystery to me.

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  9. What's patentable? by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, we all want to support the underdog here. I know I do.

    But seriously, what new, patentable ideas, do you need in an eBook? Make a computer (covered by existing patents), give it an e-paper screen (existing patents) an input device (touch screen, keyboard, rollerball, touchpad - all existing patents), storage (existing patents), OS (existing patents) and some applications (most notably, an eBook reader - existing patents).

    I know people patent all kinds of obvious ideas, but I can't for the life of me see any novel ideas that need solving, cobbling together existing components into an eBook.

  10. Re:Are you sure this isn't a troll? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm...maybe they're very similar because they're attempting to solve the same problem. If there is only one good way to do something given the constraints of the problem, why wouldn't you expect the products to be very similar even if independently developed?

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  11. Re:order of things... by david_thornley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's several possible scenarios here.

    Spring: We've got this neat thing you want to see. Sign this NDA!
    B&N: We're working on something similar, but we'd like to see yours to see if we can work together (signs)
    Spring: We've got a signed NDA that covers something you're going to be producing. See you in court, suckers!

    Spring: We've got this neat thing you want to see. Sign this NDA!
    B&N: We're working on something similar, and we'd like to see yours to see if we can work together, but since we've got a project going we won't sign the NDA.
    Spring: Well, okay. This is what we've got so far.
    B&N: Ha ha! Now we've got your secrets.
    Spring: That's our work that you're going to be using.
    B&N: So sue us!

    Spring: We've got this neat thing you want to see. Sign this NDA!
    B&N: We're working on something similar, but we'd like to see yours to see if we can work together (signs)
    Spring: Now that we've got the NDA, here's what we've got so far.
    B&N: Ha ha! Now we've got your secrets, and since we have this research project going we can lie about where we got our ideas!
    Spring: We'll sue!

    All of these are plausible; it's also possible that it's a genuine misunderstanding, and Spring had reason to think B&N took things that they'd actually come up with independently.

    I'm not blaming anybody without more information.

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  12. I read the court filing by jackspenn · · Score: 5, Informative
    So I read about this on Google News, looked up the Spring Design Inc's site and read a section on their page that said:

    ... has been working with major book stores, newspapers and publishers over the last 2 years, sharing the vision and the capabilities of the dual screen device.

    So I contact Spring Design rep and asked a simple question (this was about 1 hr before my T-Mobile G1 went bye bye for the evening). I asked "Did you have any contact with BN about your device prior to the release of the Nook?"

    Woman explained she was not speaking on behalf of company, but when I pressed she said that the simple answer was "yes", but the best way to understand was to read to court filing. I was then able to get her to e-mail the court filing to me. Social engineering at it's finest.

    It blew my mind it documents how Spring Design was contacted by Phil Baker (A strategy and development consultant for BN) back in February of this year after the Kindle 2 was released. Not hard to prove call or e-mail, it then includes NDA that was signed by BN prior to meeting with Spring Design, and that pretty much seals the deal, as it has non-compete and nondisclosure sections BN walked right over. Then outlines various meetings, conf calls, e-mails, power points, etc. that continued while Spring Design was led to believe BN would be partnering to use their device.

    The really brazen part is it went as high as the CFO of BN and that as late aa 10/1/09 BN was meeting with Spring Design's CEO supposedly over partnering deal, but they still needed to know this and that about how ALEX device worked.

    Better still is on a press call given my Willaim J Lynch at BN, Mr. Lynch who was given various Spring Design's concepts and information, actually refers to product screen benefits exactly as outlined by Spring Design to him. He says on the transcript of call that BN is releasing the first dual screen e-reader, yet e-mail sent by him and included as exhibit shows he was privy to Spring's Design product.

    Then there is the helpful advice BN gave Spring Design where BN staff recommended Spring Design not talk to Amazon, because (as BN says) Amazon is the kind of company that is likely to steal Spring Design's proprietary information rather then form a partnership as BN was planning.

    So my question to /. is should I post the PDF briefing on wikileak.org? There is nothing that says I cannot and it should be available via open records request to the court it was filed in (Northern District of California, San Jose Division). Only thing is it is marked copy and has a series of numbers on it that could linked to the version e-mailed to me. I do not want to hurt Spring Design's case, but I do want to get inform out there.

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